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OOC: From now on people, please place any random OOC comments in this thread. I am TIRED of having threads ruined by people who do not contribute to the story.

So, from now on, no matter what the subject, please use this thread as a means of communicating with me OOCly. I will place this in my signature, so this way nobody can miss it.

Have comments, questions, concerns about an RP or anything in general? Post here. I will not be responding to any OOC comments in an RP thread from now on, and I will bring the mods in if need be.

Thanks,

Automagfreek

Most recent RP: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=439182

Discuss if you would like.

Thanks, AMF. I've done an OOC thread for a couple RPs I've started that I didn't want ruined by excessive OOC remarks, and trust me it helps. It won't eliminate the problem entirely, but the benefits are considerable because most people get the idea and go along with it. It also helps to put an OOC note (regarding how you want the thread to go) at the top of the first post of your RP so people don't miss it. I'm glad you're taking steps to make your RPs more enjoyable for yourself and the rest of us.

AMF, you can ask a mod to remove the "post deleted" bar in your thread, it looks a lot less messy that way.

vB calls that "physically removing" the message, and we try to avoid doing that. It's currently cluttered, but it lets us review the deleted posts or undelete them in case there was a mistake. It also serves as a nice reminder to people to not spamm OOC comments.

you should probably phsyically remove them, cos tbh they do loook REALLY messy..it's sad that people would OOC spam like that.
Anyway, tag.

So...the ooc questions I had from the other thread...what's happened to Azrael since that RP so long ago when he was a bad guy and was killed, if I recall correctly? And what's the relation of the current situation to the OMP? Thanks.

('Great Big AMF OOC Thread'...I like :D)

I'm kinda lost in your new thread... who are you attacking? It may be visible to others, but I don't see who...

So...the ooc questions I had from the other thread...what's happened to Azrael since that RP so long ago when he was a bad guy and was killed, if I recall correctly? And what's the relation of the current situation to the OMP? Thanks.

('Great Big AMF OOC Thread'...I like :D)

There were a series of threads that lead up to his resurrection. Doujin was supposed to take part in it and make Azrael an uber good guy (and thus possibly changing AMF back to a 'face' nation), but it didn't work out due to his inactivity.

I've noticed something starting up again....people are saying my fleets are moving towards Hogsweat's Cariya Islands. This is untrue and I wish to have such accusations stricken from the RP. I don't want to be an asshole, but my forces move where I tell them to.

I've noticed something starting up again....people are saying my fleets are moving towards Hogsweat's Cariya Islands. This is untrue and I wish to have such accusations stricken from the RP. I don't want to be an asshole, but my forces move where I tell them to.
Ah.. that tends to happen, seeing as everyone has different perceptions of other people's actions and words, I know only too well.

Hmmm, I'm guessing that Celackian forces won't be asked, or allowed, (depeneding on how you look at it) into the conflict that is comming, right?

Tagged, sorry about my assumption AMF, I misread the post and thought you said that your fleet was moving towards the Islands. It isn't. My mikstake.

Nice neame for the thread though.

This thing is gonna be flooded to hell within a week AMF.. =P

OOC: damm you and your tension building writing!!! Tell us will you!!! I have a defence to organise.


Why, oh why Aust do you always think that I'm going to attack you?

Bah, Aust. I already told you, AMF is gonna attack yo mama...

Why, oh why Aust do you always think that I'm going to attack you?
I don't, I've just got a parnoid emporer!

Hmmm, what the hell, I'll get off my ass and send some forces over to aid AMF to be used whereever you need them. Of course it will take 24 IC hours.

I refuse to ICly acknowledge that Hogsweat legitimately has islands near Automagfreek on the same grounds as I previously objected to them; the simple fact that they weren't there prior to the thread and that their existance came about without permission of Automagfreek.

As I understand it, the reason it was allowed was that Hogsweat would be fair and accept that in order for those Islands to be allowed they would have to let AMF take liberties with them at some point because frankly, it's a godmod to just automatically have territory just as someone is expanding their waters a little... realistically that AMF should have known about them, but instead he didn't know about it and was fired upon for entering Hogsweat waters...

This was solved a while back with various agreements, but the assumption was that it was going to be a quick situation which would be solved and AMF could get back to his main plot... now it seems that whole large wars are justified on this godmod and I'm expected to swallow the crap that AMF started the war for entering waters that didn't exist until he started his own thread of exspansion into empty waters.

I'm no lackie of AMF, I just get pissed off when such BS is pulled, I thought Hogsweat made it clear that this was a situation between AMF and him, not something for his allies to leap on shouting "AMF aggression".

So ICly, I will not accept the idea that Hogsweat islands are legimate... if pushed I think they are godmode, but I can accept that if Hogsweat is reasonable, they are a plot devise, but such devices shouldn't be abused as they are, it only exists because AMF OOCly was kind enough to continue.

Yes, I know. Caryia's existance has been a huge thorn in my side, and has made for some ridiculous IC turmoil (regardless of any OOC agreements that were made). It does seem rather petty when looked at in retrospect.

Which is why I'm strongly considering launching ICBM's at it from a rouge sub.

OOC: From now on people, please place any random OOC comments in this thread. I am TIRED of having threads ruined by people who do not contribute to the story.

So, from now on, no matter what the subject, please use this thread as a means of communicating with me OOCly. I will place this in my signature, so this way nobody can miss it.

Have comments, questions, concerns about an RP or anything in general? Post here. I will not be responding to any OOC comments in an RP thread from now on, and I will bring the mods in if need be.

Thanks,

Automagfreek


You rule

Well, it's simple after talking to Prae:

Either Hogsweats Islands were legitimate island with legitimate territory rights and AMF was informed before expending, thus making AMF the aggressor in a sense, in which case I'm no longer interested in the thread because I've made a cock up of understanding the legimacy...

or...

Hogsweat's insta-islands were not legitimate (IC) and thus they shouldn't have been there and shouldn't have fired upon AMF vessels. In which case I continue to watch and my IC points stand.

Well, it's simple after talking to Prae:

Either Hogsweats Islands were legitimate island with legitimate territory rights and AMF was informed before expending, thus making AMF the aggressor in a sense, in which case I'm no longer interested in the thread because I've made a cock up of understanding the legimacy...

or...

Hogsweat's insta-islands were not legitimate and thus they shouldn't have been there and shouldn't have fired upon AMF vessels. In which case I continue to watch and my IC points stand.

The latter is true.

To my knowledge they never existed in the first place, and if Hogsweat had RPed the 'Cariya Islands' beforehand, he never stated that they were so close to Automagfreek proper.

The latter is true.

To my knowledge they never existed in the first place, and if Hogsweat had RPed the 'Cariya Islands' beforehand, he never stated that they were so close to Automagfreek proper.

In which case we have another problem.... Praetonia didn't understand this before you invited him and he doesn't like being the aggressor and as fas as he knows, you acknowledged the island existed and thus was a legitimate island.

Basically, we know that OOCly the original problem was that it was created to make the exspansion more interesting, you excepted that it existed and we didn't work out if it legitimately (ICly) existed prior to that thread for history perposes...

The difference is that you would be justified in attacking it if Hogsweat ICly just declared it when you found occupied just after expansing... the fact they fired on you further backs that in such a case you can only see the island as a staging ground against your nation.

If it existed before that, then it's assumed that we all knew about it and except that it's Hogsweats and that you entered his waters... but you say that isn't the case.

Basically, I'm assuming that it's illigimate and you are justified in your actions, and Hog is in the wrong. Praetonia and others were invited into the thread on the assumption that it was legitimate and thus you were the aggressor. We don't enter wars without a reason... he thought he had the reason. Now the problem is that if this is going to work someone has to admit at least OOCly they are the aggressor. ICly you can keep the propaganda going... but in order for this to continue without problems somone has to be the badguy.

I get the impression Praetonia doesn't want to be that bad guy and wouldn't be here if he wasn't... so some way or another we need to fix this so everyone is happy and the people who weren't informed of all the facts are satisfied so it's still a fun thread. You could say "yeah, it's always been that, I'm the bad guy, lets fight cause it's fun" or you can say "I won't accept that because this wouldn't happen if it was legitimately there and I would have dealt with it then, not now..." and then work with others to fix it one way or another...

So yeah... disguss.

meh, maybe I'm making this too complex and it would be better to just ignore the whole thing and leave you guys to just beat one another up for a while.

Well here's the main problem.

My fleets were already at the outer most reaches of my new territorial claims....which happened to be right in Cariya's backyard. Hogsweat claimed their existance at the same time I RPed my fleets arriving, so this really put me in quite a spot. After much frustration and gnashing of my teeth, I decided 'what the hell', because I don't like screaming godmod at people and making them retcon their actions.

So indeed this is a very tricky spot. I was willing to go along with it for the sake of the RP, but it puts everyone involved in a very difficult position that I hoped would have been ironed out by now. Hogsweat really should have cleared this with me beforehand, because now we are running into conflicts that are not making much sense ICly.

But the bottom line is this: I OOCly agreed to their existance, but because my fleets were already right in the area, it gave the impression that I was intruding. So I ICly pulled my fleets back out of Cariya waters and made it known that my venturing there was a mistake. My ships were then fired upon by Hogsweat, and I in turn fired back. So in all honesty, yes I did violate his territory from an IC stance (even though it was a cheap OOC move), but he did indeed fire the first shot.

The simple act of me pulling back and stating that it was a mistake should have been more than enough to put me in the clear. I'm sure stuff like this happens all the time in RL. So technically, Hogsweat is the aggressor, and Praetonia as well for joining him.

Things are now very complicated, because Praetonia doesn't like being in this role and I certainly did not like islands magically appearing out of nowhere, and having to break character by pulling my ships back and apologizing.

The only solution I can see to this is if I utterly destroyed Cariya, and that would definately make me the 'bad guy'.

Hogsweat posted the Cariya Islands to make the expansion more interesting, as you noted Iuthia, and stated if it wasn't desired, he'd delete the posting announcing their presence. Praetonia announced he would support Hogsweat, again on the condition that only if the presence of the islands had been accepted by AMF. AMF was annoyed, who wouldn't be, but had grudgingly accepted the islands presence. The thread kinda dwindled and now it's resurged.

It would be a good battle if the circumstances weren't so awkward. I'd suggested that the Cariya situation be resolved but with enough bad blood IC-wise for another situation to present itself rather soon thereafter. Ah well.

Basically, I'm assuming that it's illigimate and you are justified in your actions, and Hog is in the wrong. Praetonia and others were invited into the thread on the assumption that it was legitimate and thus you were the aggressor. We don't enter wars without a reason... he thought he had the reason. Now the problem is that if this is going to work someone has to admit at least OOCly they are the aggressor. ICly you can keep the propaganda going... but in order for this to continue without problems somone has to be the badguy.

I get the impression Praetonia doesn't want to be that bad guy and wouldn't be here if he wasn't...I'm in complete agreement with Iuthia.

Sarzonian foreign policy is set up to support its allies when they're in the right. Only in a couple of specific cases (Praetonia being one of them) does Sarzonia consider military action in spite of the possibility that they might support an aggressor. I had a general idea about the Cariya Islands being "created" to add spice to the RP and I remembered that AMF was OOCly not happy about their sudden creation.

Frankly, I was set OOCly to just go about my merry way and finish up the Inkana Civil War thread and start my Army Reforms thread (which now is going to be a flashback RP because World War VII came before I could really have the chance to develop the thread the way I wanted it to). Because the thread was labelled OOCly as Automagfreek vs. Praetonia, I put MY OWN RP PLANS on hold to take part in this RP.

Look, I know you're annoyed OOCly about the presence of the islands and their interference in your plans, but Hog left an opening to delete the posts in question and just forget about the thread. And you're not the only one who has had some major RP storylines that have been shoved aside because of this war.

I think I've had a great chance to get to know Praetonia OOCly, and he is probably my best friend OOCly in NS. I think I can speak on pretty good authority that Praetonia does not like the idea of being OOCly labelled as the aggressor. I don't like it that much either, but under certain circumstances (such as the now-ignored RB war), I'll do it. Without Praetonia being the central country opposing AMF, I wouldn't have done it.

Hogsweat posted the Cariya Islands to make the expansion more interesting, as you noted Iuthia, and stated if it wasn't desired, he'd delete the posting announcing their presence. Praetonia announced he would support Hogsweat, again on the condition that only if the presence of the islands had been accepted by AMF. AMF was annoyed, who wouldn't be, but had grudgingly accepted the islands presence. The thread kinda dwindled and now it's resurged.

It would be a good battle if the circumstances weren't so awkward. I'd suggested that the Cariya situation be resolved but with enough bad blood IC-wise for another situation to present itself rather soon thereafter. Ah well.

Hence why I am very close to having a rogue sub commander launch nuclear weapons at Cariya and turn them into glass.

This would keep me in the 'bad guy' position and definately fan the flames between Praetonia, Hogsweat, and myself.

Granted said sub commander would have to be publically executed for his crime, but I don't mind doing that.

Sigh. I REQUESTED and STATED that the expansion over my waters due to Cariya, which I placed there, but not for that purpose, should NOT be used to make Automagfreek look like the agressor. Hogsweat is very much the aggressor in this situation. Oh, and I'm very much for the nuking of Cariya. It'd be great propaganda for me and good for the reasons AMF mentioned.

Well look at it this way Sarz,

An RP of this scale between this many top tier players almost always ends in a flame war, but so far we have avoided that because we are all civil people. I'm glad this is probably the biggest of 'disagreements' that we're having, because this is nothing major enough to cause a flame war.

This RP can totally be salvaged, and if Praetonia wants a way out, we can think of one. Either that or I can go the route myself and Hogsweat are considering and just nuking Cariya altogether. Especially is a portion of Prae's fleet was wiped out, THAT would give him definate legitimate grounds to fight AMF without making him the aggressor.

EDIT: Of course I'm still going to sling as much IC mud as possible and make Praetonia look as bad as can be. That's just my in character nature.

Sigh. I REQUESTED and STATED that the expansion over my waters due to Cariya, which I placed there, but not for that purpose, should NOT be used to make Automagfreek look like the agressor.

I thought as much... go figure, I was told to read the thread.

The problem, Hoggie, is that this war isnt against you, it's against me, and I either have to pull out of the RP (which Im not going to do) or accept that Im the aggressor (which makes no IC sense, considering I dont usually randomly attack nations - in fact it's against my current foreign policy - and I have never had any intention whatsoever of invading AMF at this stage) because you decided that you wanted to be, despite not being at the centre of this RP.

Can we, therefore, just drop the OOC rubbish. Assume everything in the IC thread is just propaganda and that no one really knows for sure what happened in the Cariya Islands (which, with hindsight, I dont think should have been brought into this RP as they're pulling all the OOC crap from the maritime expansiont thread with them) and that all other nations can do is choose to believe one or other side.

Im not really interested in arguing about things OOCly, or in having the war degenerate into some silly diplomatic mud slinging thread. Can we just get back to the war, and ditch the whole "You attacked me first!" "No I didnt" "Yes you did!" rubbish which doesnt really add anything at all except (eventually) OOC and IC resentment on both sides.

If you insist on continuing with the Cariya thing then logically yes, AMF did commit an act of war first, but frankly I dont actually care. This is a closed RP so there is no advantage in winning any propaganda war. So, with no further ado, can we just get back to killing each other.

Alrighty then. Since it has been agreed upon by Hogsweat, my next post will be the launching of several nuclear missiles at the Cariya Islands by a rogue sub commander. Should also create a spicy sub-plot.

This is a closed RP so there is no advantage in winning any propaganda war. So, with no further ado, can we just get back to killing each other.

Just because a thead is closed doesn't mean that it doesn't affect the world. I agree that OOC crap is annoying, but I think AMF has shown willing to solve this quite well and personally I'm only really assed because I do like diplomacy and even though I'm not fighting, my nation will remeber this one way or another and I'm not supporting AMF because he's AMF, but because I felt he was in the right.

This OOC crap is just to sort out confusions... I'm sorry if you don't like it, but I don't like being confused.

The nuke will change things of course, I will then be ICly annoyed at AMF, but that doesn't mean I ignore the whole original problem... so I take it we have a illigitimate bunch of islands?

Well that depends who you ask. I recognise them as property of Hogsweat. So, I imagine do all of Hogsweat's allies. AMF doesnt have to accept them if he doesnt want to, but that's his choice.

In all honesty, this was wouldnt be happening if it was a spontaneous thing, which is why I feel somewhat annoyed that it's being used to smear me without my prior knowledge (which Im willing to accept) but worse that when I deign to fight back I get accused of godmodding / island wanking / $ZOMFGcrime on an OOC thread.

An RP of this scale between this many top tier players almost always ends in a flame war, but so far we have avoided that because we are all civil people. I'm glad this is probably the biggest of 'disagreements' that we're having, because this is nothing major enough to cause a flame war.Likewise with me. We may not agree ICly (and we certainly aren't going to agree ICly for the duration of this war), but OOCly, I share your fervent hope that we do this war right. Was I annoyed that I'd have to put one of my important threads on the backburner (two if you count my marriage thread that I haven't started yet)? Yes. But Pantera and I had one hell of a fun time with this war and I like to think it's going to open up some definite possibilities of further RPing somewhere down the line with a player I have great respect for. And I like to think I earned myself a measure of respect by someone who's been playing this game for a very long time.

This RP can totally be salvaged, and if Praetonia wants a way out, we can think of one. Either that or I can go the route myself and Hogsweat are considering and just nuking Cariya altogether. Especially is a portion of Prae's fleet was wiped out, THAT would give him definate legitimate grounds to fight AMF without making him the aggressor.Actually, I remember you and I discussing that possibility. We'll see how that plays out...

EDIT: Of course I'm still going to sling as much IC mud as possible and make Praetonia look as bad as can be. That's just my in character nature.And of course, I'm going to be slinging mud in my own right. The IC Sarzo has a temper just like the OOC Sarzo (though perhaps a bit more pronounced), and I've got a few more insults up my sleeve. As long as we don't have to deal with OOC bullshit, it's all good in my book.

Prae, noone says you can't back out if you want to. Just because I want to continue it doesn't mean you have to. If you don't want to continue to participate in the RP noone is forcing you. I personally thought that this war RP would not have any diplomatic banter - clearly it has, but that is unstoppable.

What I didn't want was Praetonia being charged as the agressor etc, because even if he is AMF's target he didn't actually *do* anything in the first place that could have his reputation "tarnished".

Anyway, let's cut the OOC BS and get down to continuing this, if we're all okay with that ;-)

Prae, noone says you can't back out if you want to. Just because I want to continue it doesn't mean you have to. If you don't want to continue to participate in the RP noone is forcing you. I personally thought that this war RP would not have any diplomatic banter - clearly it has, but that is unstoppable.
The point is Hogsweat that I dont want to back out, and it was me who actually invited you into this war. You're doing a lot of stuff that I ICly dont actually agree with, but that's fine... allies ignore each other, fall out etc. but that is an IC concern and should go no further. If you follow it logically back then from the point of view of my nation (perhaps not other nations) AMF is the aggressor. He entered your waters and didnt back out even when he knew your islands were there. IC, it is his fault. He may resent that, and I dont blame him, but it wasnt me that chose to make this about the Cariya islands. *shrug* So we can follow my original suggestions and drop the diplomatic crap, or we can continue as it is and be at IC and OOC loggerheads about who fired first, which to be honest I OOCly couldnt care less about.

Yesyes, I agree. But I didn't want my OOC actions to make people look bad IC.

The point is Hogsweat that I dont want to back out, and it was me who actually invited you into this war. You're doing a lot of stuff that I ICly dont actually agree with, but that's fine... allies ignore each other, fall out etc. but that is an IC concern and should go no further. If you follow it logically back then from the point of view of my nation (perhaps not other nations) AMF is the aggressor. He entered your waters and didnt back out even when he knew your islands were there. IC, it is his fault. He may resent that, and I dont blame him, but it wasnt me that chose to make this about the Cariya islands. *shrug* So we can follow my original suggestions and drop the diplomatic crap, or we can continue as it is and be at IC and OOC loggerheads about who fired first, which to be honest I OOCly couldnt care less about.


Well personally, I've quite enjoyed the diplomatic bickering. It is a pleasant change to see some actual conflict between leaders in conjuction with military engagement for once, most war threads are simply two parties trading blows.

We can certainly get back to beating the tar out of eachother, but so far I'm having a rather good time myself.

Sure the stuff about blaming me for killing civilians, for example, was fine... but the "who fired first" stuff, in my experience, just refuses to die and since no one can viably give ground even if they are proved wrong, it'll just prove an annoyance throughout the entire thread.

But yeah other than that this is the best war RP Ive ever done.

Sure the stuff about blaming me for killing civilians, for example, was fine... but the "who fired first" stuff, in my experience, just refuses to die and since no one can viably give ground even if they are proved wrong, it'll just prove an annoyance throughout the entire thread.

But that is inevitable until all the major killing starts. Both sides are going to claim the moral high ground, but since I'm going to take the uber-heel approach and wipe Cariya from the map, the bickering will soon end.

Hell, I laugh my ass off most of the time while reading the IC diplomatic slandering. It's funny to see a crowd of guys who get along sling mud at eachother's character relentlessly.

But yeah other than that this is the best war RP Ive ever done.

I've been in many good wars, but this is getting up there for me.

But that is inevitable until all the major killing starts. Both sides are going to claim the moral high ground, but since I'm going to take the uber-heel approach and wipe Cariya from the map, the bickering will soon end.

Hell, I laugh my ass off most of the time while reading the IC diplomatic slandering. It's funny to see a crowd of guys who get along sling mud at eachother's character relentlessly.
*shrug* I suppose. I just find it a bit annoying, but then I have bad experiences of crap threads that just fill up with garbage and then die, which I really, really dont want to happen to this... but then again, considering how relatively well this has been handled, I doubt it will.

I've been in many good wars, but this is getting up there for me.
The RB me and Sarz were in was also good, but that was ignored in the end because RB didnt want to have to wait to get his nation back... *sigh*

This is by far better than the RBA-GDODAD, Vizion-*Dead Nation*, RWC-NATO wankery that i've been involved in. This is by far the best RP i've actually ever been in.

Hell, I laugh my ass off most of the time while reading the IC diplomatic slandering. It's funny to see a crowd of guys who get along sling mud at eachother's character relentlessly.Absolutely. It's funny to write posts that refer to Pantera ICly in less than complimentary ways and then OOCly ask him how his family's doing. And being able to talk about Fleetwood Mac over IM with him last night was fun. ^_^

And, yes... it's great that I can go from writing invectives against you ICly that might even make my FATHER blush one minute to jumping someone's shit for saying something unduly negative about you OOCly.

I've been in many good wars, but this is getting up there for me.This is right up there for me too. Inkana was good for me because it's set up a lot of future RPing possibilities, and this one is good because it's making my need for an RP I'd been planning and bandying about more acute. The thing I like about both wars is that there's been a LOT of cooperation by both sides. That's what is going to make this war stand out in the RL months to come.

AMF - what's the possibility of a company of my very best soldiers landing on the forbidden island and encountering, and presumably getting slaughtered, by this thing you're going to summon?

The RB me and Sarz were in was also good, but that was ignored in the end because RB didnt want to have to wait to get his nation back... *sigh*Each time I see that thread mentioned, it brings back some bad memories for me. That war was good for a while, but then it just went to Hell.

AMF - what's the possibility of a company of my very best soldiers landing on the forbidden island and encountering, and presumably getting slaughtered, by this thing you're going to summon?

Good question, glad you asked.

I'm not sure where I'm going with that story, as with all my stories there is little direction off the bat; the story is dictated by what mood I'm in and what I'm up for at the time of each post.

As far as landing here goes, I have no problem. But there are some rules.

First and foremost, since March '03 nothing that had landed on the Forbidden Isle, Freek or otherwise, has lived...period. I've actually only done 1 real RP of the Forbidden Isle, and that was when Allanea landed troops there and had them creatively slaughtered.

It's up to you, I haven't come up with a specific direction that I want to take with the Forbidden Isle. I'm not even sure where the 'Life Eternal' RP is going to go, but as always it won't be anything that gives me a godmoddish edge in any way.

That's fine. I asked that on the intent of having a cool RP where I got completely massacred :-) I'll take a shower then write a post.

That's fine. I asked that on the intent of having a cool RP where I got completely massacred :-) I'll take a shower then write a post.

Sure, but I'd say it might belong in the 'End Of All Things' thread, dunno really. The 'Life Eternal' thread is more for my side of the story. I don't have any objection however if you want to put it there. Either will work.

If you want to have the god-thingy killed eventually (not sure if you do) then we could RP my cavalry charging it? That's suitably archaic to be a good 'death' for a god, probably after killing most of the cavalry.

If you want to have the god-thingy killed eventually (not sure if you do) then we could RP my cavalry charging it? That's suitably archaic to be a good 'death' for a god, probably after killing most of the cavalry.

Possibly, not sure if the god-thingy will even materialize really. Like I said it all depends on what I'm in the mood for when I post. He could cross the realms and be the next Morgoth, or the summoning could flounder near the end.

I got what I think is a pretty interesting idea the other night. Unfortunately, it's while I'm waiting on Pantera to make the next move in treaty negotiations...

But I was thinking of launching a special ops-type attack on Fort Brigg, referred to here (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=337474). But if Pantera and I agree on the treaty, I won't be able to send an official government-sanctioned unit to launch the attack. It'd have to be one of those deals where someone makes an under-the-table agreement with a terrorist organisation, and it'd be something that Sarzo would be kept out of the loop of because it'd go against his sensibilities.

But it is, in effect a terrorist attack. As such, I'd need to work out the details with you of such a ploy.

Interesting, although Brigg is essentially the 'Area 51' of Automagfreek. I won't tell you that you can't do it. This could prove a good spec ops VS spec ops side plot, because chances are once you got close enough to the base, they'd sent out the hounds.

I figured it wouldn't be a walk in the park to get into Brigg, so that's why I wanted to run it by you. What I'd be looking to do if you're up for it is to spend some time working in infiltrating, preferrably getting either someone on the inside to get information on the best way to get through the defences or having someone in the group actually know where to get through and cause the most damage.

I was also thinking of having the group either approach Sarzo and have him shoot the idea down or decide not to approach Sarzo because they know what his answer would be. Instead, they might approach one low level Defence Department wonk who gives them the brush off officially, but then sidles up to the leader and offers him a reward "off the record."

If the attack works and Damien gets pissed off and sounds off in a post, Sarzo could then react in horror because either he's completely out of the loop or the group decided to go in and disobey his explicit instructions not to launch the attack. If it fails, he can just pull off the whole CIA thing and deny any knowledge of the attack or even the existence of the operatives.

If I were to go through with it, I'd need to IM you or TG you to work out the details, stuff like settings and the like. I'm not one to just launch a random terror attack and blow up a mall and go, "k die pls." I'd want to do it right and set up a good scene that makes for great RP.

For those that have a few hours on their hands (I'm not kidding when I say this), please take a look at this thread.

Link (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=409653)

It has now been 2 years since the man named Damien Dreadfire debuted on NationStates, as well as the famous/infamous Sentinels. This is yet another important milestone on NS, and I plan on continuing my documentation of Automagfreek for as long as I am on this site.

Holy Hell....I remember that guy from your posts! Damien! I remember him! I remember him from when I was still NR (Nodea Rudav). Dude!

I need to read this one later, now that I know....dude.....I just realized that....dude....

Man...

I'm being serious, this is getting insane!

You people! What is up with you wanting to destroy Automagfreek?! Lol, I mean, its just...damn! I'm sorry, but it seems to be getting out of hand, and I am seriously considering resolving my Civil War and starting on some other Nations ICly....NO GRUDGES OOCly, lol.

Anywho, if I did get involved, it would be starting a War with someone whom is starting to crumble in the War against AMF.....or perhaps the weakest...or the strongest!

I dunno, I know I'm not supposed to get involved AMF, sorry.

But, Com'on....I used to be "Anny Nukem"! Willing to nuke even the smallest of Nations, and frag lands of the largest.

*usless ploy to get involved*
Well, if ya ever need Anagonia's help, call its Hotline (i.e. TG me with the rpovided number) at 1-800-ANNY-NUKEM and I'll take care of it for ya!
*end of useless ploy to get involved*

Anyway, thats my 2 cents...

Let's keep all OOC discussion of this thread, Automagfreek turns attention towards the AKA (Kraven War) (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=453308) here to avoid clutter.

Roger that.

OOC: AMF, since you're a great writer, I have two questions for ya:

Why don't you get consent of the other RPers on NS to turn their RPs into a novel? You can rake in plenty of dough, especially with that superb mastery of the pen and the paper.
Second, and lastly, how can you revive an RP? Joint Conglomerates, due to the Jolt mess-up, couldn't continue to post like many others. Now he's lost interest and I don't want that to happen, especially because it seems like it still has plenty of light in it. What should I do?

OOC: AMF, since you're a great writer, I have two questions for ya:

Why don't you get consent of the other RPers on NS to turn their RPs into a novel? You can rake in plenty of dough, especially with that superb mastery of the pen and the paper.

I've been working on a novel off and on, but my interest in finishing it tends to peak and diminish off an on.

I wouldn't dream of taking other people's material for a novel, as I alone have more than enough material to write several good books.

Second, and lastly, how can you revive an RP? Joint Conglomerates, due to the Jolt mess-up, couldn't continue to post like many others. Now he's lost interest and I don't want that to happen, especially because it seems like it still has plenty of light in it. What should I do?


Figure out a fresh angle and maybe add in another player or two to fill the gap.

Thank you. Is starting up a new signup thread for the RP continuing where we left off count?

Thank you. Is starting up a new signup thread for the RP continuing where we left off count?

Sure, do whatever you'd like. Whatever you think would help get the RP back on track.

OOC: Did you just declare a blood feud with Kahanistan? And what fate did Dreadfire put Puritania into?

OOC: Did you just declare a blood feud with Kahanistan? And what fate did Dreadfire put Puritania into?

Puritania is not a nation, but instead is the name of a barbaric kind of torture that has several stages, Puritania 1 being the most tame and Puritania 5 being the most brutal. They are all insanely violent compared to even medieval torture, and much of today's moderation rulings regarding violent posts is the result of my work with Puritania.

And no, it hasn't reched Blood Feud yet. Right now it is at Total War for his use of VX gas on the battlefield. Here's how I normally operate:

Regular war: my armies engage the enemy armies, destruction to national infrastructure is minimal.

Total War: Civilian infrastructure is targeted, and enemy soldiers are executed without quarter. Lots of barbaric atrocities and so on.

Blood Feud: The entire nation is exterminated of all human life in ways that make Vlad the Impaler look tame.

Ah. Time for another tour of the slaughterhouse which is AMF Total War. I look forward to reading it.

That post, #2 in the History of Automagfreek (your sig) with that guy being tortured to death, is that Puritania? I'm fairly hardened, I've seen pretty much everything on the net and that even made me cringe reading it.

If it is, is it Puritania-5? If it's 1, I shudder to think what 5 is... and that's the fate that awaits any Kahanistan soldier unfortunate enough to be captured by Freekish troops? You can expect them to fight like demons...

Hey Auto, you guys talking about war? cool

*Sits down with popcorn and listens carefully*

That post, #2 in the History of Automagfreek (your sig) with that guy being tortured to death, is that Puritania? I'm fairly hardened, I've seen pretty much everything on the net and that even made me cringe reading it.

If it is, is it Puritania-5? If it's 1, I shudder to think what 5 is... and that's the fate that awaits any Kahanistan soldier unfortunate enough to be captured by Freekish troops? You can expect them to fight like demons...

I believe that was Puritania 1.

The only time I was about to do Puritania 5 was on a diplomat from Allanea while we were at war. But the thread quickly decended into absurdity on his behalf and he was ignored.

But as far as our war goes, do I plan on unleashing Puritania on every Kahanistani citizen? No, but it's bound to happen on some level now that you've used VX. ;)

OCC:

Hi AMF.

I'd like to know if you do intend to invade Xirnium. At present the High Ecclesiarchy is unsure (they haven't communicated in any way with AMF, and the Grand Cardinals consider their war with Kraven to be unrelated to the wider AKA war with Kraven). Still, they're seriously paranoid and arming to the teeth.

Basically, I'm not sure of the mentality of your leadership. Do they listen to reason? Do they think nothing of invading and exterminating a nation that has done them no harm and never even spoken with them before? What about the threat of horrible casualties on all sides, would that dissuade them? Are no compromises possible at all?

I'd rather not have Xirnium turned to ash, I've grown fairly attached to it.

WOuldn;'t you have been at total war anyway since Kraven is literally screaming anhialate everything everyone and everyplace in Kahanistan

OCC:

Hi AMF.

I'd like to know if you do intend to invade Xirnium. At present the High Ecclesiarchy is unsure (they haven't communicated in any way with AMF, and the Grand Cardinals consider their war with Kraven to be unrelated to the wider AKA war with Kraven). Still, they're seriously paranoid and arming to the teeth.

Basically, I'm not sure of the mentality of your leadership. Do they listen to reason? Do they think nothing of invading and exterminating a nation that has done them no harm and never even spoken with them before? What about the threat of horrible casualties on all sides, would that dissuade them? Are no compromises possible at all?

I'd rather not have Xirnium turned to ash, I've grown fairly attached to it.

I would say it depends on your level of 'interaction' with AMF during the course of this war. Xirnium isn't currently on Automagfreek's "hit list", and as long as our nations do not cross paths for the duration of this war, I see no need to invade. I would say just tread carefully and your nation should be fine.

However, I cannot speak for the rest of the Consortium on that matter.

Well, I'd like to see Dreadfire's reactions to this event (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9923477&postcount=7) and this (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9935236&postcount=28), and that event (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9935499&postcount=29) as well. Would Dreadfire see them as cowards?

However though, no-one is omnipotent so he wouldn;t see them. It would be like claiming to read the future and you win the lottery and but then after making the prediction walk out in the street and get killed by a car.

Well, I'd like to see Dreadfire's reactions to this event (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9923477&postcount=7) and this (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9935236&postcount=28), and that event (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9935499&postcount=29) as well. Would Dreadfire see them as cowards?

With respect but the first two are private communications and the last doesn't pertain to AMF.

OOC: Sorry about that Xirnium and Nova. But even still, word will come out eventually about Xirnium providing refuge to the Kahanistan government-in-exile....

not nessacerily. There are plenty of Secrets around here that have been kept secret for millenia.

not nessacerily. There are plenty of Secrets around here that have been kept secret for millenia.

I'm sure I would notice large ships pulling out of Kahanistan and heading towards Xirnium, but I don't see it as a big deal.

There are a few comments made in another thread that I would like to address.

Highly advanced SDs are going to blow up nicely from a direct hit by a nuclear shell, and if AMF really wants to exterminate Xirnium then he doesn't have a choice but to accept WMD, its not his decision. It's my nation that's being put to the torch.

A nuclear artillery shell is not going to pack enough punch to wpie out an entire fleet. Several ships would likely be screwed, but there is one important thing you're forgetting: as soon as my commanders spotted the nuclear blast, the gloves would come off. There is no way in Hell that a nation as small as yours has nearly as many nuclear weapons as I do, and if it came to nuclear blows AMF would most certainly come out on top.

However, unless it is agreed upon by both parties and RP'd well, I tend to ignore ZOMFG n00kZ!!!!11 All nukes do is ruin RP's and cause things to break down into OOC bickering.

He'll lose both of his characters in a nuclear inferno if he does.

On the contrary, it is up to me and me alone if I lose characters. Dreadfire could have a nuke fall right on his freakin' head, and as long as I wanted him to live he would live. This is one of the ways a 'freeform RP' environment operates.

And again, if it came to nuclear penis wankery, I think we know who would win.

OOC: If AMF attacks Xirnium - he will face me too - and i don't plan on ever falling to AMF. I think many people need to wake up - he wins easily because at the mere mention of him they all go "oh no all is lost" - just as you think, easily seen according to your earlier posts.

No, people lose because once they think they've figured me out, I do a 180 on them and pull several aces from my sleeve.

A nuclear artillery shell is not going to pack enough punch to wpie out an entire fleet. Several ships would likely be screwed, but there is one important thing you're forgetting: as soon as my commanders spotted the nuclear blast, the gloves would come off. There is no way in Hell that a nation as small as yours has nearly as many nuclear weapons as I do, and if it came to nuclear blows AMF would most certainly come out on top.
I agree that one nuclear shell would not sink a fleet, but if a fleet engaged yours with its capital ships firing nuclear shells, then no matter how large your fleet was it would quickly be annihilated. (assuming you rped reasonably of course)

As for the resulting counter-attack, that's assumed and I've not forgotten it. There is no way my nation would survive. (not if I wanted to rp reasonably, which I do)

On the contrary, it is up to me and me alone if I lose characters. Dreadfire could have a nuke fall right on his freakin' head, and as long as I wanted him to live he would live. This is one of the ways a 'freeform RP' environment operates.
I agree with you that it is up to you to decide your own loses, but in a war where my nation's very existence is threatened it is up to me to decide if I want to use WMD. If a nation doesn't want to risk nuclear devestation then it shouldn't wage a war of extermination.

And again, if it came to nuclear penis wankery, I think we know who would win.
I think niether nation would win, or at least it wouldn't be a meaningful win, if it came to WMD holocaust.

I agree with you that it is up to you to decide your own loses, but in a war where my nation's very existence is threatened it is up to me to decide if I want to use WMD.

Why? WMD's only decrease your chance of survival. I would think it would be much less costly in terms of life and destruction to engage in army VS army warfare, instead of nuke VS nuke warfare. But that's just me, because naturally I would want to rebuild after any conflict that would result in a loss. And that's kind of hard to do when your water supply glows....


I think niether nation would win, or at least it wouldn't be a meaningful win, if it came to WMD holocaust.

Both of us would probably ignore the whole incident before it came to that. Because I could be a dick and argue that my SDI and nuclear stockpile is too advanced, and you could be a dick and argue that yours are advanced too and you have many of them.

All nukes do is kill RP's, and that's coming from nearly 3 years of experience on NS. There are rare occassions where two parties can RP a nuclear strike without bickering (see Operation: Hellfire), but for the most part nukes cause OOC tension. And with the 'I gotta WIN!' mentality that I.I has developed, it makes it harder, especially when people are more focused on 'winning' then writing a memorable thread.

Why? WMD's only decrease your chance of survival. I would think it would be much less costly in terms of life and destruction to engage in army VS army warfare, instead of nuke VS nuke warfare. But that's just me, because naturally I would want to rebuild after any conflict that would result in a loss.
I disagree completely. Kraven is waging a war of extermination against Xirnium. If he wins I lose everything anyway. Devastating your nation with WMD would not make the situation any worse for Xirnium.

Both of us would probably ignore the whole incident before it came to that. Because I could be a dick and argue that my SDI and nuclear stockpile is too advanced, and you could be a dick and argue that yours are advanced too and you have many of them.
Or we could rp realistically and decide that neither of us wanted to go through with the consequences of a mass WMD exchange, which is really what I would hope would happen all along.

I'm not trying to suggest that I know more about your nation's leadership then you do, but I would have thought that faced with an utterly paranoid nation that is fearing its own extermination and ready to reply with all the WMD it has stockpiles they might decide it would be better not to push them. Remember, in such a situation they know that everyone of them is dead already, thus the resulting WMD counter-attack would not mean much.

All nukes do is kill RP's, and that's coming from nearly 3 years of experience on NS. There are rare occassions where two parties can RP a nuclear strike without bickering (see Operation: Hellfire), but for the most part nukes cause OOC tension.
From an OCC perspective I just want to create an IC reason to detter a nation turning Xirnium to ash.

No, people lose because once they think they've figured me out, I do a 180 on them and pull several aces from my sleeve.

Don't get me wrong - it wasn't implying you dont outsmart them. However, ive seen peoples OOC reactions to the possible threat of AMF on another country and they just collapse into 'OMFG your doomed', just look at what Southeastasia was writing to Xirnium in the thread you found my comment. I can only imagine that if you threatened them it would be worse and they would be expecting to die from the start - panic doesn't make for intelligent tactics.
I'm sure though that you've still beaten the crap out of many others who didn't freak out though.

And with the 'I gotta WIN!' mentality that I.I has developed, it makes it harder, especially when people are more focused on 'winning' then writing a memorable thread.

This is too true. Hence why i dropped out of the wars with Kraven. All the 'my defences are so good none of your weapons got through was insane'. It was a shame though, because out of three wars ive been in where ive had the chance to meet you head on its never happened.

I disagree completely. Kraven is waging a war of extermination against Xirnium. If he wins I lose everything anyway. Devastating your nation with WMD would not make the situation any worse for Xirnium.

Nonsense. This is freeform RP, and even if Kraven exterminates Xirnium you have the right to continue on. Nobody can tell you that Xirnium is 'out of the game' and that 'you lost', because there is no such thing. You can rebuild, but it will take time and a lot of patience. Going through a nuclear holocaust will only make rebuilding that much harder in the long run, so why run the risk?

A classic example is this:

Back in the day there was a nation named Sniper Country (good friend of mine a few years ago). The man was a brilliant RPer, but he lost his love for the game and arranged for nuclear suicide. He then gave me the password to the account and told me to watch over it, and shortly after he left for good.

I took the nation and over the course of several months began to rebuild. Only 1 Sniper Country citizen survived, but I RP'd repopulation through offers of land and allowed uncontested immigration. I cleaned up the land and had foreign companies rebuild Sniper Country, and several months later a state of normalcy was resumed.

So to say that you're forever screwed because you lost is not true. Although as stated above, being decimated by nuclear weapons will only make things that much harder in the long run.


Or we could rp realistically and decide that neither of us wanted to go through with the consequences of a mass WMD exchange, which is really what I would hope would happen all along.

I'm not trying to suggest that I know more about your nation's leadership then you do, but I would have thought that faced with an utterly paranoid nation that is looking at its own extermination and ready to reply with all the WMD it has he might decide it would be better not to push them.

It depends on how the RP was unfolding, but there are several avenues I could take. I could either leave you alone, take the fight to your soil, or stike you with all the nuclear weapons (ICBM's, HOUNDS, you name it) I have before you could launch.

It really takes no skill or ability to engage in a nuclear slug match, and I tend to frown upon players that openly and actively seek nuclear warfare. I know I'm not the only one that feels that way either, and all a nuclear holocaust will do is end up hurting your credibility....which on NS is all you really have.

If your credibility is hurt, less people will bother to RP with you. They won't want to invest time in an RP just to have it end in a nuke fight. And as a result, the less people interact with you, the more bored you will be. Quite frankly, nobody wants to put time into a story just to have it sink to the bottom of the forum without any views or replies.

Don't get me wrong - it wasn't implying you dont outsmart them. However, ive seen peoples OOC reactions to the possible threat of AMF on another country and they just collapse into 'OMFG your doomed', just look at what Southeastasia was writing to Xirnium in the thread you found my comment. I can only imagine that if you threatened them it would be worse and they would be expecting to die from the start - panic doesn't make for intelligent tactics.
I'm sure though that you've still beaten the crap out of many others who didn't freak out though.

Yes, I tend to get annoyed when people do that, because it ends up making its way back to me. As a result people get annoyed and choose not to RP with me because they figure "Pfft...why should I waste my time if I'm already 'd00med'...."

I would just take those comments with a grain of salt, as there are several other players who chime in with OOC warnings that the 'invicible AMF will destroy j00 with godly POWA!' (Hatria being the most vocal. Why they do that, I have no idea.....)


This is too true. Hence why i dropped out of the wars with Kraven. All the 'my defences are so good none of your weapons got through was insane'. It was a shame though, because out of three wars ive been in where ive had the chance to meet you head on its never happened.

I really didn't pay attention to what happened before my involvement, I just received the gist of it plus a generous IC offer. When I get involved in conflicts of this scale, I usually tend to carve out my own path and keep it seperate from the main fighting. This way any problems that occur in the main thread between the main combatants won't really effect my involvement.

Yes, I tend to get annoyed when people do that, because it ends up making its way back to me. As a result people get annoyed and choose not to RP with me because they figure "Pfft...why should I waste my time if I'm already 'd00med'...."

I would just take those comments with a grain of salt, as there are several other players who chime in with OOC warnings that the 'invicible AMF will destroy j00 with godly POWA!' (Hatria being the most vocal. Why they do that, I have no idea.....)

Ah Hataria...need we say more. I on the other hand don’t listen and would consider I had a fair chance of survival.

I really didn't pay attention to what happened before my involvement, I just received the gist of it plus a generous IC offer. When I get involved in conflicts of this scale, I usually tend to carve out my own path and keep it seperate from the main fighting. This way any problems that occur in the main thread between the main combatants won't really effect my involvement.

That’s a good idea. Unfortunately I was smack bang in the middle of the RP during its beginning and couldn’t really avoid anyone. Once Axis Nova dropped his ‘I’m invulnerable to missile attacks’ and then complained about my destroying his attack – my involvement officially ended.

Nonsense. This is freeform RP, and even if Kraven exterminates Xirnium you have the right to continue on.
I don't doubt that, but seeing it from an IC point of view you can't but accept the fact that a nation might be willing to use all its WMD stockpiles when faced with (what it expects will be) extermination from a vastly larger and more powerful enemy.

If your credibility is hurt, less people will bother to RP with you. They won't want to invest time in an RP just to have it end in a nuke fight.
This principle seems fine in anything which vaguely isn't a war of annihilation. But consider that people put a lot of RP into building their nations. I don't think its unreasonable to create some IC reasons to stop that nation being completely wiped out (or if detterance fails, some IC consequences to absolutely wiping out a nation).

I just think we are getting a little ahead of ourselves, we're tallking about a possibility to a possibility. What I'm saying is that, if Xirnium was to be completely exterminated, I would expect the other nation to sustain WMD damage for it efforts, that's all. If we did decide, let's say, to have a WMD exchange I'm sure we would find a mutually acceptable outcome because that's just the way I RP - by accomodating what both sides want to further their stories.

A classic example is this:

Back in the day there was a nation named Sniper Country (good friend of mine a few years ago). The man was a brilliant RPer, but he lost his love for the game and arranged for nuclear suicide. He then gave me the password to the account and told me to watch over it, and shortly after he left for good.

I took the nation and over the course of several months began to rebuild. Only 1 Sniper Country citizen survived, but I RP'd repopulation through offers of land and allowed uncontested immigration. I cleaned up the land and had foreign companies rebuild Sniper Country, and several months later a state of normalcy was resumed.

So to say that you're forever screwed because you lost is not true. Although as stated above, being decimated by nuclear weapons will only make things that much harder in the long run.
I thought he commited suicide by mod, according to the NS Wiki article. And, what do you think of my role-play skills?

I don't doubt that, but seeing it from an IC point of view you can't but accept the fact that a nation might be willing to use all its WMD stockpiles when faced with extermination from a vastly larger and more powerful enemy.

Especially given Xirnium's history - nuking themselves was a favourite pastime not too long ago.

It really takes no skill or ability to engage in a nuclear slug match, and I tend to frown upon players that openly and actively seek nuclear warfare.

I think this statement is unfair. Those who have RPed with me know that I always roleplay fairly. I would never use WMD in a thread against other nations unless that is what the other person wanted or it is in cases where Xirnium faces extermination (not just defeat, but extinction) by Kraven (in which case it would be an IC imperative, as far as I am concerned).

I disagree completely. Kraven is waging a war of extermination against Xirnium. If he wins I lose everything anyway. Devastating your nation with WMD would not make the situation any worse for Xirnium.




I would never leave you without no way of continuing your nation, if it came to the point where i did actualy win, then i would assist you OOC in exploring possible ways of continuing your nation through different avenues, i would never simply say "Ive won, your nation ceases to exist, get out of the game"

I would never leave you without no way of continuing your nation, if it came to the point where i did actualy win, then i would assist you OOC in exploring possible ways of continuing your nation through different avenues, i would never simply say "Ive won, your nation ceases to exist, get out of the game"

Yes, of course. I know you are an exemplary RPer, that's why our war RP was done without a single OCC incident at all. But I'm talking from an IC point of view, and the High Ecclesiarchy does not see any possibilities following a defeat to Kraven. It's all part of my nation's story, fear of the Kraven menace defines them almost as much as does their belief in the God-Emperor.

Yes, of course. I know you are an exemplary RPer, that's why our war RP was done without a single OCC incident at all. But I'm talking from an IC point of view, and the High Ecclesiarchy does not see any possibilities following a defeat to Kraven. It's all part of my nation's story.

I thank you, the war was very interesting, however i would have liked to continue it further with more cinematic, when round 2 begins we need to make it as cinematic as possible, :)

I thank you, the war was very interesting, however i would have liked to continue it further with more cinematic, when round 2 begins we need to make it as cinematic as possible, :)

Nothing would make me happier regarding the storyline then waging hugely atmospheric battles through the shattered remains of the gargantuan Synod of the Inquisition or the Basilica of the High Ecclesiarchy itself, I look forward to it, just as soon as Xirnium can grow to become large enough to fight massive wars. ;)

, fear of the Kraven menace defines them almost as much as does their belief in the God-Emperor.

hehehe, *beams*

I think this statement is unfair. Those who have RPed with me know that I always roleplay fairly. I would never use WMD in a thread against other nations unless that is what the other person wanted or it is in cases where Xirnium faces extermination (not just defeat, but extinction) by Kraven (in which case it would be an IC imperative, as far as I am concerned).


Then the statement you quoted does not apply to you.

I thought he commited suicide by mod, according to the NS Wiki article. And, what do you think of my role-play skills?


After I rebuilt Sniper Country he contacted me through AIM a short time after and decided he was ready to return to NS. I returned his nation, and he resumed RP again for a short period of time.

However, one day he indeed did lose it, and as a result his nation was deleted.

*beams*


I Sincerely hope that does not mean Laser beams will begin descending from the sky in the next Xirnium war :P

I Sincerely hope that does not mean Laser beams will begin descending from the sky in the next Xirnium war :P

Heh.

and I do mean anybody's Laser beams, if Mass Ass lasers start to be fired then I'm getting out Damocles the big dady of them all :D

Can you please answer my other question, AMF?

This has nothing to do with the plot of this RP, but I would just like to say that you guys are doing a fantastic job on the writing. Wish I was as good as you guys. Keep it up, it makes for some good reading whilst I try avoid my english paper.

Can you please answer my other question, AMF?

I normally don't judge other people's RP publically, but I think you're doing a good job. Keep at it.

AMF... You were SC after the carpet nuking?

Hmmm... Was that big ass Midninght Civil Warr before or after that? Because if it was after... kudos on taking down an enemy apache with a tactical shotgun.

AMF... You were SC after the carpet nuking?

Hmmm... Was that big ass Midninght Civil Warr before or after that? Because if it was after... kudos on taking down an enemy apache with a tactical shotgun.


Yeah, I was SC for several months after the carpet nuking.

And no, the Midnight Civil War was before that. The original owner of SC is responsible for said example.

I am continually amused about how people describe AMF as NS' most powerful nation and their absolute terror of his army. AMF simply doesn't worry me, at least not any more than any other nation with 50 million light infantry. Actually, that isn't quite true, I'd be a touch more concerned about going against AMF simply because of the advantages the Sentinels confer, but not that much. It's not that I don't respect AMF, if there's anybody on NS that I do respect, it's him. But if people would stop being "shocked and awed" by AMF's writing and take a couple of other proactive steps, they'd realize that AMF is just like every other military power on NS and just as defeatable. No, I'm not going into the why's and howfore's, that I'm saving for a rainy day when I can utilize them to effect.

Oh, and AMF, if you don't mind could you please link me to your most current information on your navy? I haven't seen anything since your SD building program and I like to know the naval strengths of any potential adversary.

Automagfreek, I yet again have another question. How many words per minute do you type? It may seem irrelevant, but you say you work a fifty-hour-a-week job and can find enough time to play NationStates. Is it because you are able to type fast and without much spelling error?

Automagfreek, I yet again have another question. How many words per minute do you type? It may seem irrelevant, but you say you work a fifty-hour-a-week job and can find enough time to play NationStates. Is it because you are able to type fast and without much spelling error?

I've been unemployed for roughly 2 months, so I've had more free time recently.

As to your question, I have no clue, though I can type fairly fast and without much error.

Hey AMF, love your RPs. I was just wondering. Do you have any kind of overview of what your military consists of? I mean, military strength and stuff?

OOC: Did you talk with Kraven over this? Did he overreact like FWS did?

To my knowledge he hasn't, as we have spoken on MSN since the fighting between us started.

OOC: Sorry about that AMF, forgot about your OOC thread. Do you and Kraven get along with each other OOCly?

OOC: Sorry about that AMF, forgot about your OOC thread. Do you and Kraven get along with each other OOCly?

To my knowledge we do. :P

I am continually amused about how people describe AMF as NS' most powerful nation and their absolute terror of his army. AMF simply doesn't worry me, at least not any more than any other nation with 50 million light infantry. Actually, that isn't quite true, I'd be a touch more concerned about going against AMF simply because of the advantages the Sentinels confer, but not that much. It's not that I don't respect AMF, if there's anybody on NS that I do respect, it's him. But if people would stop being "shocked and awed" by AMF's writing and take a couple of other proactive steps, they'd realize that AMF is just like every other military power on NS and just as defeatable. No, I'm not going into the why's and howfore's, that I'm saving for a rainy day when I can utilize them to effect.

Oh, and AMF, if you don't mind could you please link me to your most current information on your navy? I haven't seen anything since your SD building program and I like to know the naval strengths of any potential adversary.

There is no such thing as the most powerful nation on NS. And there never will be.

Technically, you can be a NS superpower, but not possess all three qualities (political, economic and military). AMF would be classified as a military superpower.

Of course. Almost everyone on NS is a Super Power, but no one is the most powerful.

The classic definition of superpower is "Any nation which is significantly more powerful than any other nation in the world." No nation on NS fits this. If you use a different definition of a superpower, for example: "The most powerful nation in the world by GDP / military expenditure / political influence / whatever." then there will be at least 1 superpower, because given a finite number of nations possessing different levels of power, one will always be "the highest". The difference between the definitions is that there is every likelihood that "the most powerful nation in the world" will not be significantly more powerful than the next few most powerful nations to be able to exert any special influence.

There are nations, AMF included, that wield a great deal of power and influence, but I wouldnt call any of them superpowers. They're much more like the "Great Powers" of the 19th century, where there were 5 great nations (Britain, France, Germany, Russia, Ottoman Empire and in some cases a sixth, being the US) which all exerted considerably more power and influence than all the other nations in the world, but no one state was powerful enough to overcome all the others, or even one of the others without significant economic and military expenditure. NS is considerably more like 19th century Europe in many, many ways but people persist in trying to equate it to the present day or to the Cold War just because the technology is similar.


Anyway, the original point of my post was to inquire about AMF's policy concerning PoWs.

Doh. Must have gotten confused about what ye meant Tocrowkia. Now why don't you (AMF's IC opinion is most certainly welcome!) reply to this thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=455720)? And how would you, Automagfreek, react to meeting your characters face to face in this thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=457705)?

Doh. Must have gotten confused about what ye meant Tocrowkia. Now why don't you (AMF's IC opinion is most certainly welcome!) reply to this thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=455720)? And how would you, Automagfreek, react to meeting your characters face to face in this thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=457705)?
Can you please respond in the respective threads? And also please check your TGs.

Southeastasia, I've replied to your TM.

And please don't hijack story threads of mine. I had your post deleted by the moderators.

I normally don't judge other people's RP publically.

AMF, pwease oh pwease would you judge the two RP's I have in my info? You're my idol. ;)

There's a good chance that after my war with The Kraven Corporation is over, that my time on NS will draw to a close. No, this isn't some sympathy stunt, nor is it for publicity.

Since a new game called CyberNations has emerged, I've found myself drifting more and more away from NS. I have a chance to start over, and be rid of some of the demons that have been following me around NS for over 2 years.

I may suck it up and tie off a few story lines I have going, but there is a good chance that the days of AMF in International Incidents are coming to a close.

Just letting you all know that I'll be hanging around CyberNations and doing RP there, though I'm still weighing all my options. NS just doesn't have the same appeal to me that it once did.

What will happen to AMF the nation if you do leave NS for good. Will you keep it around (as in IC goes back into isolation) or will you be letting it die (collapses)? I am assuming you keeping it is more likely...

Sorry to see you go AMF. Not sure if this has been said, but after you devour the Kraven Corporation's landmass what will you do with it? Perhaps open an enormous parking lot?

give it to me ^^

What will happen to AMF the nation if you do leave NS for good. Will you keep it around (as in IC goes back into isolation) or will you be letting it die (collapses)? I am assuming you keeping it is more likely...

I will never let my nation die, and if it ever gets to the point where I can no longer take care of it, I will pass it to either Pantera or Aequatio, my first and closest friends on NationStates.

Sorry to see you go AMF. Not sure if this has been said, but after you devour the Kraven Corporation's landmass what will you do with it? Perhaps open an enormous parking lot?

I haven't decided for sure yet, but I've been toying with plans for a large military base, an AMF colony, etc.

Just when I had been considering to be an rp apprentice to you....

Good luck, whereever you go AMF. You'll have a place in my heart for literituare, as you're one of the finest writers I've ever seen.

Don't get me wrong - it wasn't implying you dont outsmart them. However, ive seen peoples OOC reactions to the possible threat of AMF on another country and they just collapse into 'OMFG your doomed', just look at what Southeastasia was writing to Xirnium in the thread you found my comment. I can only imagine that if you threatened them it would be worse and they would be expecting to die from the start - panic doesn't make for intelligent tactics.
I'm sure though that you've still beaten the crap out of many others who didn't freak out though.That always got on my nerves as well, and it's even worse now that the military/political situation in NS is much more like 19th century or early 20th century Earth with no one major power. I faced that during Operation Hellfire (especially hearing the "party line" OOCly from other players) and it made my blood boil. Frankly, I feel like that gives other really good players short shrift when these folks do that AND it clutters up IC threads when people post that OOCly.

Back to the reason I chose to write to this thread. If you are leaving NS for Cyber Nations, I'll miss you over here, but I will be seeing you over there. I've invested way too much time, effort (and money for all the books I've bought, lol) into this game to leave it. Though it might be fun to become known as the country that brought AMF down once and for all. ;)

AMF, is the thread where you go Blood-Feuding on :sniper: Sniper Country open? I'm thinking of getting involved, and I'm sure that quite a few nations will be outraged enough to intervene, especially if you do something crazy like broadcast the Puritania-ing of Speaker Phillips on Freekish TV, and the D.S.R.K. isn't exactly friendly to AMF.

I've always wanted to see a description of Puritania that goes beyond, "It's sick." By the way, do you have any Puritania posts I could dig up? Thanks.

I'm not sure if it will be open or not, that will be decided shortly.

As for Puritania, the one post describing a lower intensity of Puritania is somewhere around I.I. It was made at least a year and half ago, but most likely longer.

AMF, are we going to get to the RP we talked about before you go another break? Damien’s meeting with the Count. Just to tell you, the Count is going to treat Damien like he is younger version of himself or like a son.

AMF, I as well am playing Cyber Nations (i checked it out after you mentioned it, and it looks awsome!)


Perhaps I shall be on your good side?


But i will never leave NS ;)

I, too, took a crack at Cyber Nations, but I prefer NS mostly because I'm used to it.

BTW, I'm kind of making the assumption that the war thread is semi-open, but do you still have an ignore on Allanea? It was mentioned in your NSWiki.

The reason I'm asking is that I was planning to have a fleet move in and try to rescue as many Sniper Country civilians as possible. If the resulting political brouhaha escalated into war, I have a stronger military than I did last time, but still, this is AMF I'm dealing with here. Allanea is one of my allies, possibly the only one that stands a chance against AMF.

Then again, it doesn't necessarily have to end in war, remember when Xirnium and a load of other allies pulled civilians out of Kahanistan? They didn't go to war.

Of course, I won't post in the thread until its level of open-ness is decided, beyond possibly a diplomatic statement.

Section 31 Infiltrates the Empire has been posted, here is the link:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=490583


AMF you may consider this a personal invitation from me to take part. If others in this thread are interested I am looking for other factions within my thread, however please remember that my thread got its start through
the ST vs SW Thread posted by United Planets.

List of current RP's (mostly for my reference):

Storm of the Century: Operations against the Five Kingdoms (ATTN: Melkor; Arda) (http://forums3.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=497882)

Breaking News: Automagfreek aggressively pushes territorial boundaries (http://forums3.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=498747)

College professor: Automagfreek is an unholy abomination (http://forums3.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=499196)

Reforging the sword; NATO is reborn (http://forums3.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=499287)

Since the AMF/Melkor war is in a state of limbo, I am going to be pressing on with other matters.

OOC: You're still alive, AMF? ;)

OOC: You're still alive, AMF? ;)

Of course, old friend. :)

How are you going to keep well over 100,000 men supplied?

And please, dont say airdrops coz' we both know it's "almost" impossible.

*Remembers Stalingrad*

-_- Large players like AMF could support an order of magnitude more than that supplied without breaking a sweat. Heck, I could support that many, and I'm not a huge power player.

How are you going to keep well over 100,000 men supplied?

And please, dont say airdrops coz' we both know it's "almost" impossible.

*Remembers Stalingrad*


With ships....because I have, you know, ships. Plus the supplies initially brought in with my first deployment of 25,000, and the additional supplies of the TSS forces occupying the bases I'm at. PLUS the supplies from the OTHER ships that will be arriving soon... and so on and so on.

I really shouldn't have to explain this, it should be self explanatory. You could ask this same question to *anyone* on NS who has an army (which is, everyone), and it generally isn't even RP'd in war unless either someone makes it a point to attack supply lines, or they find themselves in unthinkable positions and somehow still manage to have infinate bullets and the other party calls them on it. So here, have a ROFLCOPTER (http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l89/epitaphface/roflcopter.gif ).

British Londinium (if you're reading this), I'm confused as to who still owns what in your nation. Could you illustrate on your map please? With the whole Clandonia thing and whatnot, I'm unsure which territory is his/yours/whatever, and if Clan is pulling out or not.

Well, I don't actually know where the other nations have put their bases. Clandonia is removing his bases; the only one that has a definite location (as far as I know) is near my capital, Kensington.

A map can be found on my factbook.

Terrence AFB is... I think I set it at 20 miles north of Kensington. I'm pretty sure.

AMF, what the hell was that for?

He might have been bored.

AMF, what the hell was that for?

i think he did it for the lulz

AMF, what the hell was that for?

I'm on AIM if you wish to talk, my screen name is Automagfreek. Just know that this is nothing personal OOCly.

It's always for the lulz.

FOR THE FUCKING LULZ.

Yeah, BL, don't take it personally. This happens sometimes.

I'm not - it just seemed like a very random, out-of-the-blue attack.

I'm not - it just seemed like a very random, out-of-the-blue attack.

Like I said... This does happen sometimes.

Well, BL and I have had a chat. It's up to him if he wants to continue this.

On one hand - I'd like for there to be some semblance of normalcy in my country. On the other hand - AMF is an amazingly-solid RPer who sounds like a decent fellow who knows what he's doing.

AMF - go to town.

AMF is one of the best out there. He doesn't have the reputation he has for nothing.

AMF is one of the best out there. He doesn't have the reputation he has for nothing.

He should probably be out there writing books abou this stuff. His writing is very impressive, it's an interesting read.

He should probably be out there writing books abou this stuff. His writing is very impressive, it's an interesting read.

Aye.

BL, things are going to get tricky from here on out, because I don't want to simply keep bulldozing my way in and make it look like I'm godmodding by not giving you a chance to respond. So I'll hold off posting for now, in case there's anything you'd like to do.

BL, things are going to get tricky from here on out, because I don't want to simply keep bulldozing my way in and make it look like I'm godmodding by not giving you a chance to respond. So I'll hold off posting for now, in case there's anything you'd like to do.


See now this is why i have respect for you. i willing to bet alot of other nations in this postions would just be like " LOLZ FREE LANDZ!" You however want a fun rp and not just some one sided smackdown.

AMF doesn't espouse the tenets of one-sided smackdowns. That was more a WMNK tenet.

Wait...

From this point on, I am no longer interacting with British Londinium. This means that the Puritania thread has been retconned due to its deletion, and all current and future operations against him will cease since I no longer acknowledge his existance. From an IC perspective he was wiped out by the nuclear strikes.

However since we are both roleplaying at the end of the AMF/BL war, we will both continue on as normal, at least I will since it was apart of my history. Telros, we can still have our war if you'd like, I've had a post up for awhile now.

Hey, AMF, are you ever gonna get around to going after all the people who supported Kraven at one point? I realize that I am probably not a high priority...

...but I'm -BORED-. I havn't been able to get in on any good RPs in some time.

Hey, AMF, are you ever gonna get around to going after all the people who supported Kraven at one point? I realize that I am probably not a high priority...

...but I'm -BORED-. I havn't been able to get in on any good RPs in some time.


I think that because of the tech level gap, a war between us is unlikely.

*shrug*

Sorry to eavesdrop and jump right in, but what are the reasons behind yourself ending the AMF/BL saga? It has actually become quite a war-tale in recent NS. (Although, to admit, the torture of Cecilia was just a little bit fetish-esque, among downright wrong! :p)

I don't publically disrespect any RPer, but I simply can't deal with him anymore on an OOC level. I'll leave it at that.

I'd like that AMF. I hope to have a post up within the next few days.

I think that because of the tech level gap, a war between us is unlikely.

*shrug*

Well, tech level isn't everything. My actual land forces are far less numerous than yours and on top of that put more of an emphasis on light armor and maneuver warfare than just raw numbers. I think my total military is something like ~6 million at most, and that's counting everyone in all branches.

In reference to the "As Dawn Rises,..." thread, I cannot help but comment on how well you write the macabre and gothic elements into your story. Edgar Allan Poe might even be jealous were he alive today.

In reference to the "As Dawn Rises,..." thread, I cannot help but comment on how well you write the macabre and gothic elements into your story. Edgar Allan Poe might even be jealous were he alive today.

Poe vs AMF

Should blow Elmer Phud vs B Rabbit out of the water.

In reference to the "As Dawn Rises,..." thread, I cannot help but comment on how well you write the macabre and gothic elements into your story. Edgar Allan Poe might even be jealous were he alive today.

I'd think that's a bit ... much.

All these fanboys haha. It must be nice, man. I remember once (and by that I mean around 5 years ago) I posted a picture of an outhouse with the letters AMF on it, signifying how I felt about AMF at the time. If only I could find it lol :p

All these fanboys haha. It must be nice, man. I remember once (and by that I mean around 5 years ago) I posted a picture of an outhouse with the letters AMF on it, signifying how I felt about AMF at the time. If only I could find it lol :p

Yeah, how unlikely it is that any of us might genuinely enjoy his writing!