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We are pleased to annouce that we are hosting the 1st Annual Fighter Plane Competition in Velkya City to decide what which fighter deserves the title of Best Fighter in the World. There are rules, of course. Here they are.

1. Indiginous designs only. No RL fighters allowed.

2. Limit of 1 entry per country, as to limit larger nations from spamming with tons of fighter desgins.

3. List as much relevent specs as possible.

4. No noob deisgns. Godmod designs and noobish posts will be disqualifed by the contest commission.

5. MT only.

With that said, give us your kick-ass fighter designs!

List of Aircraft entered:

LMF-1 (Velkya)
RADF (ADC)
WF-33 Avenger (Wingarde)
F-76 Liberator (Space Union)
F-24 (SkyCapt)
F-133A Valkyrie (The Silver Sky)
SX-24 Spider (Mondoth)
MF-98A Super Phoenix (Markov)
Dingo (Mauiwowee)
FB.10 Ruckus (Retarded Lunatic Robots)
MREI-S1 (imported_Illior)
NP-5 Black Eagle (Nebarri_Prime)
L-2b Arrow (Novikov)

On behalf of the Democratic States of Wingarde, the Wingarde Aerospace Corporation would like to submit the WF-33 Avenger for the competition. Please check the rest of our catalog if you find yourself in need of aircraft, including this model.

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WF-33 Avenger
Cost: $45 million (USD)

Primary Function
- Carrier-based tactical fighter
Builder
- Wingarde Aerospace Corporation
Power Plant
- 2 Norton Power G-SF-91C turbofan engines with afterburners
Thrust
- 14,645 kg (each engine)
Length
- 20.1 meters
Wingspan
- 7.2 meters
Speed
- 1,978 km/h (Cruise)
-- 3,120 km/h (Maximum)
--- 2.5 (Maximum Mach)
Ceiling
- 20,860 meters
Range
- 5385 km
Maximum Takeoff Weight
- 33,290 kg
Crew
- Two
Armament
- Internally-mounted 30mm gun.
-- Advanced medium range air-to-air missiles.
--- New generation short range air-to-air missiles.
---- High precision smart bombs.
----- Conventional bombs.
------ Active/passive Electronic Warfare (EW) systems.
------- Internal and external reconnaissance systems.
-------- One external fuel tank.
Combat Systems
- AN/ALQ-135(V) internal countermeasures system
-- AN/ALQ-128 radar warning [Magnavox] suite
--- AN/ALR-56 radar warning receiver (RWR) [Loral]
---- AN/ALE-45 chaff/flare dispensers [Tracor]
----- AN/AVQ-26 Pave Tack
------ AN/AXQ-14 Data Link System
------- LANTIRN


Following the success of the WF-27 Firebolt, Wingarde Aerospace was given the job to design a heavier fighter craft to aid it in the defense of the nation. The WX-33 rolled out of the assembly line in 2000, and a lengthy period of testing and fine-tunning began. Two fatal accidents almost doom the project, but the malfunctioning parts were quickly redesigned and future test flights restored faith on the fighter. The WF-33 was named Avenger, and entered service in 2003.

The Avenger proved extremely useful in complementing the Firebolt in missions of any kind, and provided heavy support in precision ground strikes all over the world. Being carrier-based, the deployment range was increased exponentially, allowing missions all over the world. The fighter craft is revered by Wingardian pilots all over the nation. Even though the cutting-edge WX-38 is currently in development, the WF-33 will remain in service within the next 25 years.
OOC: Check my signature for the products catalog. ;)

Thank you, Wingarde.

This is the entry by Tylon Aerospace Industries. It is our newest fighter aircraft designed to be the king of Air Superiority. It combines ultra-manuverability with stealth and extremely advanced avionics to make a pilot's dream machine. We hope that it will prove itself in this competition.


F-76 Liberator


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OOC: Picture by Imported_Illior and Space Union

Overview:

The F-76 Liberator is the first of the 2nd Generation of aircrafts being produced by Tylon Aerospace Industries. It is intended to be the next-generation air superiority fighter that will dominate the battlefield no matter what the adversary. It will give any of its users an advantage of its adversary. The F-76 combines stunning technology with the pilot to get unprecedent capabilities. It is intended to replace the F-314 in the Space Union Air Force, though it is much more costly than the origional. In the end it is highly stealthy, manuverable, and low maintaince compared to any other aircraft on the battlefield and will ensure air superiority for a very good chunk of time.

Airframe:

The F-76 Liberator moves much away from the origional doctrine of TAI, by being totally redesigned. Unlike former aircrafts that use mainly Inconel, the F-76 Liberator uses all composite material on its airframe except for the engines. This has been done because of the need for stealth in this highly dangerous world, yet still maintain the manuverability of its predecessor, the F-314. The use of composite material for the body has also made it light-weight compared to its predecessor. This gives it the distinct advantage of better manuverability than heavy-weight aircrafts.

The aircraft is designed with a cropped delta-wing similar to the one featured on the F-16 Falcon but enlarged to the size of the delta-wing on the F/A-22 Raptor. This allows it to have considerable less coverage area that will allow for radar to bounce off. Unlike the F-22 or F-16, the F-76 features canards on the front of its nose. These have been added to provide considerable more lift compared to the F-314. But with this comes the problem of applying flaps to the wings. Deploying flaps causes a large nose-down pitching moment, but in a conventional aeroplane this effect is considerably reduced by the increased downwash on the tailplane which produces a restoring nose-up pitching moment. With a canard design there is no tailplane to alleviate this effect. To overcome this problem, the canards have been swept. This allows for flaps to be applied to the design without compromising the safety of the aircraft and its crew.

Another change to create a more stealthy aircraft, was the dropping of the vertical tail. This was done to further lower the RCS and make the F-76 stealthy. Not only that, but it greatly improves the manuverability of the aircraft. But because of the loss of the vertical tail, the aircraft is less stable. To solve this problem, the flight is assisted by computers similar to used in the B-2 Spirit and the F-117 Nighthawk.

To ensure that the F-76 is stealthy, all the weapons are carried in the two bomb bays of the aircraft. Both bays are on the underside, belly of the aircraft. The aircraft houses 6 missiles in the first bay and 3 GBU-35 1000-lb BLU-110 smart bombs in the second bay. This ensure that the weapons don't interfere with the RCS of the aircraft and give it away too easily to radar or other tracking devices. But if needed, 4 (2 on each wing) hardpoints each capable of carrying 5,000 lbs of weapons can be added on the outside of the aircraft. But the use of the hardpoints will increase the RCS, so beware.

To keep the aircraft manuverable still, it has a lowered weight compared to older aircrafts. Lower weight has been accomplished by having a powerful array of good weapons inside of the aircraft, yet not overdue it. Not only that but the entire plane has been constructed from ultra-lightweight composite material. This has allowed for the weight to much smaller compared to other fighters yet offer capabilities superior or matchable to heavier fighter aircrafts. The light-weight also makes the F-76 Liberator more agile than other aircrafts. This characteristic translate into better manuverability than other heavier aircrafts, meaning that it will dominate dogfights no matter the enemy.

The most drastic leap in technology for the F-76 was the addition of electric reactive armor to the airframe. Proved in tank combat, it has been since adapted to the F-76. It works by having two electrically charged plates separated by an insulator. When an incoming body penetrates the two plates and closes the circuit, a high current and voltage will flow through the penetrator, attempting to vaporize it, significantly reducing the resulting attack. The electric reactive armor is outside of the normal skin so that it gives the aircraft limited armor.

To add more stealth to the airframe, it is coated all-over with a RAM coating.

Propulsion and Engines:

The F-76 uses brand-new Union-172-2005 pulse-detonation engines, developed purposely for the F-76 Liberator. Each Union-172-2005 puts out an outstanding 61,000 lbs of thrust for a net thrust of 122,000 lbs of thrust. The pulse-detonation engine works by creating a detonation instead of the normal deflagration that occurs in normal jet engines. Instead the air rushing inside of the engine, comes at supersonic speeds instead of subsonic, which causes a detonation upon igniting of the air instead of deflagration. To make sure that the air exits to the back, the engine uses shockwaves generated by the ignition to act as shudders/valves. When the shock wave reaches the rear of the engine and exits the combustion products are ejected in "one go", the pressure inside the engine suddenly drops, and air is pulled in the front of the engine to start the next cycle.

The use of the Pulse-Detonation engine instead of a regular engine has increased the efficiency of the entire aircraft. Normal engines have an efficiency of 30% while the Union-172-2005 has a fuel efficiency of 45%. This means that the aircraft will be considerably less fuel hungry and have much bigger range and higher speed. In fact the pulse-detonation engine allows the aircraft to go to speeds of Mach 3.4 although it cruises at Mach 2.7 to avoid the structural problem associated at Mach 3+.

One problem in the design has been the loud noise caused by the pulse-detonation. To solve this the engine has been surrounded by open-celled foam. The open-celled foam dampens the sound while still being light-weight and not adding much weight to the engine. Another mechanism used is the fan in the front of the engine. The fan sucks in much air, sending most of it as bypass air. This bypass air helps dampen the sound too, the same effect used in turbofan engines. But to really quiet the engine down, QuietCraft has been applied to the outside of the engine. It has decreased the sound by 75%.

Both engines also feature thrust vectoring in an entirely new way. Engineers at Tylon Aerospace Industries have perfected the new technology called fluid thrust vectoring. Tests have shown that air forced into the exhaust stream can effect deflected thrust. Fluidic nozzles are desirable for their lower weight, mechanical simplicity (no moving surfaces) and lower radar cross section compared to older mechanical thrust vectoring. The fluid thrust vectoring method allows for the same benefits of the old thrust vectoring method, yet is much cheaper, much more maintaince-friendly, and overall more stealthy to fit with the new image for the F-76 Liberator.

The thrust vectoring capability also adds the capability of the aircraft to take-off and land vertically. This greatly improves its mobility without adding costly secondary engines.

To make sure the engines fit in the stealth profile of the aircraft, the

Avionics/Electronics:

In order to make sure that the F-76 Liberator controls the sky it has to have the best technology in electronics to date. But even that wasn't enough for the designers. Instead the goal of the electronic suite for the F-76 was to merge the pilot and aircraft, creating the ultimate fighting weapon ever to take to the sky. Meet the IAIVS Interface. IAIVS stands for Integrated Avionics Incorporated Virtual Systems. It is the successor to the BAP Suite, previously used on older aircrafts designed by Tylon Aerospace Industries.

The IAIVS Interface allows for unprecedent vision for the pilot. Instead of using glass window and HUD for the pilot and helmet is used. Built-into the helmet is also an advanced virtual reality environment that projects the environment outside of the aircraft. Using over 50 cameras (5 main and 45 small), a supercomputer, devoted to the job, can create a stunningly realistic environment that goes down to every detail. It literally allows the pilot to see around the aircraft 360 degrees in every direction. This gives the pilot an unprecedent vision that can't be matched by any other current aircraft to date. To help the pilot better see his environment, the virtual reality has two views, one as if the pilot were actually the plane and the other behind, in-front of, or on the side of the aircraft. This better enables the pilot to fly the aircraft in his/her preference and flying style. To help the pilot understand all about his environment, when messages come up concerning maintaince, tracking, guidance or other matters, it is displayed right in-front of him/her so that the pilot knows what is happening. When targetting, a green box will appear around the enemy(s) that the pilot wishes to engage, when it turns red, that means the missile(s) are locked on. Then it is up to the pilot to fire the missile(s).

To help the pilot in his flying style, an advanced voice command system complements the controllers and joystick. It allows the pilot to speak the commands instead of having to click buttons. In the export version, this feature isn't given away. For that reason only the domestic version (available only to me and allies and a select few) will have both voice command system.

Other systems employed by the aircraft are the use of advanced radar and LIDAR/LADAR systems. The computer uses a AN/AQ-76 Active Electronically Scanned Array and LIDAR/LADAR System to provide guidance for the aircraft and targetting. This system is capable of tracking up to 50 targets at the same time, though in the real-world that power won't be needed.

To make sure that the pilots fully understand how to fly the aircraft, customer will be given a manual for each aircraft detailed with flight operations and a flight trainer for every 100 F-76s bought. Allies only.

Electronic Countermeasures (ECM):

To defend itself against possible threats, the F-76 Liberator is designed with a couple of ECMs to stop threats. The most advanced of these is its Active Radar Cancelling System. It works by having multiple sensors on the skin that pick up incoming radar signals. The computer then studies the signals and outputs a signal that makes the receiving computer misjudge the location of the aircraft. This is mostly used against missiles although this is being deployed against aircrafts during dogfights.

Another weapon used against incoming missiles is MASERs. The F-76 shoots MASERS at incoming targets to fry their electronics and cause a premature explosion. This works in conjunction with the Active Radar Cancelling System.

The simpler ECMs that the F-76 has are a set of 10 flares in the side of the aircraft. They can be shot out of the side-panels automatically by the computer, if the pilot has the feature on, or manually by the pilot.

Weapons - Armenant:

The F-76 Liberator is outfitted with a deadly array of weapons that will ensure that it will be ready for any situation. All of the aircrafts standard weapons are housed inside of the aircraft. The aircraft has two bomb bays: the Missile Bay (MB) and the Smart Bay (SB).

The Missile Bay houses the dogfighting missiles that will be used by the F-76 when it engages the enemy. It is capable of holding 6 missiles. The 6 missiles can be either AIM-9X or AIM-120. Depending on the mission, the array can be customized so that you can choose what the ratio of AIM-9X will be to the AIM-120. You can even have all 6 missiles be of the same type.

The Smart Bay houses the smart bombs. It is capable of holding 3 GBU-35 1000-lb BLU-110 smart weapons. This bay can be outfitted to carrying 1 GPU-24 2,000 lbs smart bomb and is able to carry other bombs that don't exceed 3,000 lbs.

Along with the bomb bays, the F-76 is outfitted with a GAU-12 25mm Equaliser Gun incase of a close-range dogfight.

Although on standard model there is no hardpoints to allow for a smaller radar-cross section, but the aircraft can be modified to support hardpoints at the customers own will if he desires. The aircraft can support 4 hardpoints, 2 on each side. Each hardpoint can hold 5,000lbs worth of weapons. But the RCS suffers if the hardpoints are added.

Note: The hardpoints are capable of carrying fuel tanks. But the fuel tanks have to be 5,000 lbs or under.

Specifications:

Type: Advanced Air Superiority Fighter
Length: 22 m
Height: 5 m
Wingspan: 16.5 m
Powerplant: 2 Union-172-2005 Pulse-Detonation Engines rated at 56,000 lbs of thrust each
Empty Weight: 16,000 kg
Full Weight: 52,800 kg
Normal Payload: 7,772 kg
Maximum Payload: 16,862 kg
Cruising Speed: Mach 1.7
Maximum Speed: Mach 3.6
Operational Altitude: 65,000 ft
Maximum Altitude: 87,000 ft
Armenant w/o Hardpoints: 1x GAU-12 25mm Equaliser Gun, 2x AIM-9X Sidewinder, 4x AIM-120 AMRAAM , 3x GBU-35 1000-lb BLU-110 Smart Bombs
Range: 2,200 miles
Crew: 2
Price: $300 million

New Velkya? WTH? I don't remember the Velkyan Union being destroyed... Anyways, we'd like to submit one of the recently introduced F-24's.

Specs:

Manufacturer: SkyCapt Aircraft Industries
Type: Supersonic Interceptor
Crew: 1
Armament: None for the air thingy
Systems: LIDAR Arrays; Lx-2S Targeting Systems; BTS 1-2 Linked Back-up targeting systems; Emergency Homing Beacon; Oxygen Support System and equipment; RS-1A Radio System Equipment; ES-1 Logicorp Ejection Seat; ISSMC RA-1S Radar System; Dual Internal Weapons Storage Bays
Engine Specs: 1 ISSEI SSIE MkI Afterburner Equipped Engine; Producing 19,000Lbs of thrust
Max Speed: Mach 2+
Max Range: 2,200 Nautical Miles
Ceiling: Approx. 82,000ft
Weight: Empty - 23,000Lbs; Fully Loaded - 50,000Lbs
Height: 17ft 11in
Length: 39ft
Wingspan: 17ft 8in
Description:
The F-24 Delta is the newest design to come out of the SAI Factories. The fastest plane in the RSAF, the Delta can fly with speeds in excess of Mach 2. The jet, however, is not carrier enabled as of yet, but a carrier version is being designed. The first fighter in the RSAF to utilize forward-swept wings, the Delta is more maneuverable than even the Aryx, and is slightly smaller than the Raven. It equips only 2 Fighter Wings of the RSAF, being a very recent addition.
Price: Not for sale yet

(please point out any errors you see)

F-133A Valkyrie Air Superiority Fighter


Many unique design features include new switchblade wings and variable trapezoidal "ruddervators" similar to those seen on the earlier YF-23 prototype that flatten out during supersonic cruise. Rudder action is not aerodynamically controlled on this plane, instead the 3D thrust vectoring nozzles on the new GE F-129 engines handle all of the planes yaw control. The use of canards, a Forward Swept Wing (FSW) design and thrust vectoring makes this plane highly maneuverable.

The Valkyrie's unique wing design owes itself for better low speed control at higher angles of attack and lower landing and takeoff speeds that are connecting with carriers. The fighter's switchblade wings also dual up as decreasing width for better storage. The aircraft uses high strength thermalplastics and Boron fiber on the joints and doors of the variable geometry wings, where much stress is induced at high speeds. These doors also double up as flaps during takeoffs and landings.
This design lends itself to many low-observables features such as masked air intakes, internal bays for weapons, a blended fuselage, and many other aspects that reduce its chance to show up on radar and infrared tracking devices, and the stealth concept of same angles. The use of internal bays is a stealth one too. It has one large payload bay down the fuselage and two smaller "pop-up" bays behind the air intakes. All-composites wing; high proportion of composites and welded aluminium-lithium alloy in remainder of airframe. Extensive use of radar-absorbent coatings, including Ironball and 'Fibersteel'.

The fighter uses the high thrust, variable bypass (like the earlier GE 120 engines) General Electric F-130 turbofans, with three-dimensional thrust vectoring nozzles for increased maneuverability. The F-129 engine uses a high temperature core and high-tech combustion parts, as well as a variable bypass design that allows it to act more like a turbofan at low speeds and more like a turbojet during supersonic cruise. Despite all of this, this engine has 40% less major parts and is easier to repair and maintain than the engines of the F-125. Supercruise has been reported at Mach 2.5 during trials, with a max speed of over Mach 3. The aircraft incorporates mission adaptive/aeroelastic wings, meaning instead of using 'flaps', the edges of the wings, ruddervators, and canards bend. The canards themselves can rotate.

The fighter uses SAN/APG-95 'Have Sight' radar, which is similar to the -91, but with improved tracking/identification capabilities, a forward looking solid state pulse doppler radar with a rear looking version with about 50% of the range. Both have NPI and LPI capabilities. Forward and rearward looking IR systems are used, along with a rear looking camera. The 'Have Ray' and 'Have Light' LIDAR systems are also mounted. The latest version of Pallas Athena is mounted to aid the Valkyrie's already tiny radar signature. The TSRS (Thermal Signature Reduction System) of Blurred Edges, Flickering skins, and a cooling sheath over the engines helps lower the IR signature. Incorporated into the forward and rearward LIDAR pods are higher powered lasers for 'blinding' IR guided weapons. The F-133 can be equipped with a form of 'active camouflage', usually changing the grey tones of the aircraft to fit best with the sky around it.

Almost all of the instruments availible to the pilot are digital MFD displays, with a few key instruments in the old format in the event that the multilayered systems fail. A fly-by-light fiberoptic system is used, again with multiple 'layers' for saftey. The helmet used in the new G-suit, like on all other fighters, can be linked to any of the MFD displays or sensors for a true 'heads up display'.

There are four internal bays, the forward two capable of holding up to four AAMs each, the rear two capable of holding up to two each. Usually, long range or heavy weapons are carried in the main bays, with the others carrying short range air to air missiles like the Python, AIM-9X, or AIM-121 Banshee. An M-75 20mm Hyveloc gatling gun is mounted under a small door in the aircraft for stealth. There are 6 additional wing pylons that can be used, usually with the EHSP pods to maintain stealth.

::Statistics::
Crew: 1
Wingspan (Unswept): 18.59m (61'0")
Wingspan (Swept): 11.58m (38'0")
Length: 21.92m (71'0")
Height: 4.38m (14'4")
Range: 2000nm (Without Hafnium assistance); 3000nm (with 4 fuel drop pods)
Weight, empty: 16,550kg (36,500 lbs)
Weight, Normal TO: 34,940kg (77,058 lbs) (internal weapons load only, full fuel load)
Weight, Max TO: 42,940kg (94,701 lbs)(Full weapons load)
Thrust: 62,000lbs per engine
G-Limit: 10+ (With new G-Suit)
Top Cruise Speed: Mach 2.5
Top Speed: Mach 3.6 (Wings swept, altittude: 40,000ft, clean configuration, no weapons);
Mach 3.2 (Full Interal load, no external weapons);
Mach 2.8 (Full load, external hardpoints armed with 2,000kg fuel drop pods)
(Speed gets up to Mach 3.9 at about 77,00ft with clean configuration)
Armarment: M-75 20mm HYVELOC Gatling gun, 8 Fuselage internal hardpoints(load weight:1,000kg), 'pop up' rear fuselage bays can carry up to four lightweight missiles(500kg each). There are 4 optional wing hardpoints each with a load weight of 2,000kg each that can be equipped with .

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SX-24 (Spider)
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(Actual craft uses LCD skin displays to change color for minimum visibility in any light/weather condition)
Span: 45 ft. 7 in.
Length: 63 ft. 3 in.
Height: 17 ft. 8 in.
Weight: 78,500 lbs. max. Takeoff weight
Armament: one 20-mm cannon
8x ejectable external missile hard points (1x ea. Wingtip, 3x under ea. wing)
Up to 20,000 lbs. internal mixed ordnance (including additional fuel tanks), two external fuel pod contacts
Avionics: LIDAR/LADAR for range detection and Identification w/out alerting enemy forces, standard RADAR, integrated full cockpit display(FCD) for unmatched combat awareness (Similiar to a HUD but is displayed over the entire canopy allowing pilot to be visually aware of all aircraft detected by all sensors and visually alert pilot of the direction of enemy threats without the need for the pilot to look away from the 'action'), multi purpose LCD displays for instrument readouts and status displays (Glass cockpit concept)
Countermeasures: blue/green laser light system to disrupt and scramble LIDAR detection systems, Integrated radar scrambling with frequency agility, 100 flare capacity, 50 chaff ball capacity. airframe design reduces RCS considerably, liquid cooled engine cowling to reduce IRS.
Engines: 2x Shrak J90s (full range thrust vectoring) with 27,500 lbs. thrust each with afterburner
Cost: $51,000,000
Maximum speed: 2.5 mach at 33,600 ft.
Cruising Speed: 1.2 mach (super cruise)
Range: 6,780 kilometers (maximum with external fuel tanks)/ unlimited with aerial refueling
Service Ceiling: 71,150 ft.
Deployment: land deployable, can be used with Type 2 aerial launch blister, capable of carrier launch
Notes; The Spider is a next generation strike/stealth aircraft; using revolutionary new maneuvering principles that allow it to go without a tail rudder give the SX-24 unprecedented maneuverability and stealth for a strike aircraft. In stealth configuration (no fuel tanks, internal weapons only, sub-sonic speed limit) the Spider can out stealth the American F-22 and even the F-117, the new Shrak J-90 engine system provides low heat, low weight thrust without sacrificing capability. The SX-24 features a newly designed pilot interface that allows pilots unmatched reaction and weapons control. A visual enhancement system integral to the HUVD (Heads up Visor Display) allows detection to extreme (75+ miles) ranges without active detection systems in clear weather. A hydrodynamic system of pilot supports allow the SX-24 to accomplish extremely high G maneuvers with a considerably reduced risk of pilot blackout or redout. Optional packages for ground following radar and millimeter wave detection systems allow equipped fighters to achieve new 'heights' of low level flying to stay below enemy radar and maneuvering 'floors' safely.

Ill submit the MREI-S1

The Republic of Markov would like to submit the MF-98A Super Phoenix
http://www.freewebs.com/markov/finalad.JPG
Aircraft Type: Air superiority/ multirole
Manufacturer: The E-Tek corporation
Crew: One
Powerplant: Two KLM-112A PDE/Turbofan hybrids 3D vector-thrusted + supercruise capable at mach 2.8
Powerplant output: 42,700 kg each
VTOL capable: Yes
Max speed: Mach 4.5
Dimensions: Wingspan: 14.92 meters Overall length: 18.47 meters Height: 4.58 meters
Flight systems:
>AI assisted laser targeting computer
>WHUD virtual environment cockpit
>WARNET satellite uplink
Sensors:
>LIDAR
>XTI-11 RADAR (pulse DOPPLER)
>Infrared system (thermal imager)
>Material detecting sensor
>Night-vision system
ECM:
>AI controlled LAMS (laser anti missile system)
>AI controlled computer/missile jamming system
Stealth systems:
>New Empirian made "Athena Mk-III" active stealth system
>Built in RADAR absorbent materials
>"Shade"II active camouflage system (scenery mimicking fiber optics)
>Heat masking on engines and some weapon systems (aerogel)
Maneuverability aiding systems:
>360 degree thrust vectoring
>Mission adaptive/aero elastic wings (micro hydraulics)
>Variable geometry "swing wings" rotate from forward swept to swept on a horizontal axis for increased speed.
>Three small gyroscopes are mounted throughout the aircraft for increased stability and maneuverability
Weapons systems:
>One 25mm SRK-110 "Mauler" hyper velocity gatling cannon mounted under cockpit
>One Markovian made "Avenger" anti-aircraft HELLADS (High Energy Liquid Laser Area Defense System) rated at 305 Kw per one pulse mounted in front of the cockpit along the nose.
>15 (concealed) modifiable munitions bays: 8 forward mounted mini missile compartments + 7 underwing MRM/LRM bays

Markov, your plane seems PMT, with the AI, the laser and the Shade II thing.

What's "360 degree thrust vectoring"? Is it just 3D thrust vectoring?

The government of Bradyistan has been building a new air superiority/ escort fighter in recent years and should have the design finalized within coming days. General Harris has decided that the Compititon held in Velkya City would be the perfect location to roll out the prototype.

Expect planes in coming days.

Mauiwowee has heard of this competition and would like to make the following entry:

The Dingo:

Wingspan: 16.9 m
Length overall: 23.1 m
Height overall: 6.52 m
Weight empty/equipped: 24,500 kg/26,600 kg
Max T-O weight: 34,600 kg
Engines: 2 W.M.D., Inc. Turbofan TF3000 (18,000 lbs. thrust ea. or 18, 985 lbs. thrust afterburning).
thrust-vectoring in pitch: -25 Degrees to +25 Degrees at 30 Degrees/second
G-Force Capability: 9.5g
Max speed: Mach 2.4
Optimum speed @ height: Mach 1.8
Service ceiling: 18,000 m (59,050 ft)
Optimal "@ height:" 9,150 m (29,600 ft.)
Max Climb Rate: 19,000 feet/minute
Range with max fuel @ height: 2,850 miles)
Number of hardpoints: 14: 2 wingtip, 6-8 underwing, 6-4 conformal underfuselage
Crew: 1
Stealth Capable: Yes
Carrier Capable: Yes
Defensive Measures:
1. SAL9500-AI Computer control flight & Weapon systems;
2. 20 mm Vulcan cannons (2) on forward "winglets" (individual or joint synchronized firing controls);
3. rear targeted EMP generator (1 burst/minute - max range 5 miles, 8" diameter 'beam')
4. rear and forward laser anti-missile system;
5. anti-missile flairs for heat seeking missiles;
6. Radar decoy system (launches radar signature "decoys" to confuse radar guidance systems on planes and missiles);
7. Thermal imaging sensors
8. Head's up display
9. G force "gel" pilot seat at 60 Degree angle for pilot comfort & safety in high G-force manuevers.
Cost: $62 Million

Concept Model
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Take off
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In Flight
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Detail View
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Not destroyed, but temp-banned.

Thank you for the entries, we'll update ASAP.

OOC: How modern does something have to be for you to consider it MT? If you're defining it strictly that'll seriously cut down on entries (you'd even have to disqualify some of those already submitted).

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Name: NP-5 Black Eagle
Function: Multi-role stealth fighter
Crew: 1
Length: 55.6 ft.
Height: 16.33 ft.
Wingspan: 31.00 ft.
Ceiling: 60,000 ft.
Max Speed: 1,700 mph
Engines: two Nebarri Enginering Systems 29,000 lb trust turbofans
Max Climb Rate: 26,000 feet/minute
Range: 800nm
Weight empty/equipped: 24,500 lb/Depends on load
Armament: 2 M61 Vulcan 20-mm cannon, 10 hardpoints



Price: $100 million

Markov, your plane seems PMT, with the AI, the laser and the Shade II thing.

What's "360 degree thrust vectoring"? Is it just 3D thrust vectoring?
Yeah the 360 degree thing is just 3D thrust vectoring. The laser (HELLADS) is actually a feasible MT technology: http://www.darpa.mil/tto/programs/hellads.html
As for the AI, its just a situational awarness computer that manages ECM so the pilot doesn't have to. It's not really "true" AI. I think you're right about the shade II system, but optical active camo is also feasible for MT: http://www.time.com/time/2003/inventions/invinvisible.html

So i dunno...tell me what you think

sorry about not postin the specs, didn't have time.
This is all SIC

The MREI-S1 is a stealth fighter, some what like the raptor, just larger, faster, and able to hold a ton of missiles in it's holds. to help with manuevering, the engines are 2D thrust vectored. To help with stealth, the aircraft uses many features pioneered on the raptor and previous stealth fighters, such as serrations and Radar absorbent materials and Radar Absorbent Paint schemes.

Also used is the ARC System, or Active Radar Cancellation, like the one on the Rafale, but a bit more advanced. It uses a system of Antennas and computers to identify, and nullify radar signals sent at the aircraft, and can handle up to 3 bands in close succession, but not at exactly the same time. such as India(I), Kalamazoo(Ka), and Darnell(D)(oops you aren't supposed to know about that band ;) )

Also, other systems in the aircarft( I'll write breif descreiptions of them)

MAAM(Mini Air to Air Missiles) Designed to be carried in the back edge of the wings in small tubes, these hellfire sized missiles are a defense against a missile attack, though this is more of a final defense. they are relativley small, and also made with RAMs and RAPs to help keep the missile from discorvering it( for those with radar and a bit of programming) until it's too late. it can also be used against aircraft close in, though it may do little damage, but you can always get a lucky hit, such as the cockpit, or an engine, or a control surface, or a radar, all of which would help.
(Inspiration from Dale Brown's random russian stealth plane ;) )

Soa-4(I-band) a rear facing Active/Passive defense radar, with a range about 90 NM or so, is used in conjunction with a computer to give the pilot his best options for evasion, flare and chaff ejection and MAAM firing.

Ar-3 The other radar, comprable to the solid state dopplar pulse radar on the F-22, but with a bit more range.

LADAR, it was recently developed by H-F industries is a big step forward, giving a god's eye view to the pilot of terrain and all obsatcles, including aircraft.(Can only be used activley)

PSAWMAWS(Pilot situational awareness warning/Missile approach warning system)An alarm in the HVAHUD helmet, which will alert pilots to incoming projectiles and the like.

HVAHUD( Helmet visual Audio Heads up Display) Basically the HUD's in the helmet visor, integrating all the systems and being able to switch in between all radars and view certain systems..

Length: 100 Ft'
Wingspan(delta Style):72.6'
Height:17'
Propulsion:2 Have Ho @ 42,000 Lbs each (2D Nozzle for converging/diverging vectoring)
Ceiling: 85,000'
Speeds: Max: M 2.4
SC:M 2
C: M 1.5
Range: 2000NM
Armaments:
1 30 MM cannon in nose
Space for up to 16 armaments(most AAMs and Bombs up to 1,500 class), and up to in 4 bays(Right Forward, Right Back, Left Forward, Left Back)

Defensive Armaments: 4 Concealed double MAAM tubes
Systems: Soa-4
AR-3
LADAR
ARC-2
RAMs, RAPS, Serrations.
PSAWMAWS
HVAHUD

Well, if non-jets are allowed...

Robotic Aerospace Industries FB.10 'Ruckus'

Performance
Maximum Speed: 504 mph
Combat Radius (cannon only): 1,330km
Service Ceiling: 8,200m
Rate of Climb: 2,900ft/min

General Characteristics
Crew: 1 (pilot)
Weight (empty): 6,801kg
Weight (max. takeoff): 10,988kg
Powerplant: 1xHarold Motors Kestrel X Turboprop (2,900kW)

Armament
4x30mm ADEN cannon in wings
1,200kg of external stores

Notes
The FB.10 'Ruckus' represents a significant leap foreward in Robotic aircraft technology, being the first aircraft to enter service powered by a new turboprop engine. As fast as the Meteor and even able to keep pace with Vampires and Venoms, the Ruckus is a brute of a fighter with cannon power enough to devestate air targets and the capability to carry a very heavy weapons load that includes an air-dropped torpedo. While not as light or manouverable as other piston engine powered aircraft or as fast as jets, the FB.10 is an extremely robust aircraft that is capable of sustaining incredible amounts of battle damage before being shot down.

Yeah the 360 degree thing is just 3D thrust vectoring. The laser (HELLADS) is actually a feasible MT technology: http://www.darpa.mil/tto/programs/hellads.html
As for the AI, its just a situational awarness computer that manages ECM so the pilot doesn't have to. It's not really "true" AI. I think you're right about the shade II system, but optical active camo is also feasible for MT: http://www.time.com/time/2003/inventions/invinvisible.html

So i dunno...tell me what you think
I just realized that my fighter has a small laser similar to yours (50kw, but only really good against IR missiles or light Radar guided-missiles, so I should let that go, ok, the AI sounds ok(and they way your put it my plane has AI too(somewhat)), the Shade-II still seems a bit to PMT, though maybe you can switch it to something like my plane, it changes tones of gray to best match the sky.

[OOC: If you don't mind, I'd like to place an entry I just finished. Doubtless, it's not going ot be much competition for something like what Space Union is fielding, but I don't expect it to. I'm just proud that I'm moving - slowly - into the new millennium in terms of technology. If I'm going to deploy this to replace the Mirage III, I thing it's going to serve quite well, and that's all I really want. Enjoy.]


[B]L-2b Šíp Air Superiority Fighter / Interceptor (http://photobucket.com/albums/a129/GenericName120/?action=view&current=L-2Ship.jpg)

Official Designation: L-2b
Common Name: Šíp (Arrow)

Country of Origin: Novikov
Builder: Novikoian National Defense Agency (NCOA)

Role: Interceptor / Air Superiority

Crew: One

Length: 17.5 meters
Span: 15.4 meters
Height: 4.5 meters

Engine: One Modified EJ200 Turbofan, 9.41 t thrust w/ afterburner
Range: ~5,540 km
Endurance: 4h21
Maximum Speed: 2.34 Mach (10,000 meters) / 1.6 Mach (100 meters)
Cruise Speed: 1.05 Mach (10,000 meters) / 0.87 Mach (100 meters)
Ceiling: 19,015 meters

Empty Weight: 7,600 kg
In-Flight Refueling: Yes
Internal Fuel: 3,960 kg
External Fuel: 640 kg Droptank
Maximum Takeoff Weight: 16,600 kg
Payload: 5,060 kg

Hardpoints: 11
Armament: Four 23mm Rotary Cannon in nose, Provisions for up to 3,600 kg of disposable ordinance, including eight AIM-7 or AIM-9 and two AIM-54 Missiles, plus a central fixed rack fitted to carry the aircraft’s droptank or a variety of ‘dumb’ weapons, including low-yield nuclear weapons.
Sensors: Cyrano IVM radar, Dual RDI Intercept Radars, FLIR, RWR, Advanced Bombsight

Other Features: Computer-controlled variable-geometry swept wings, Limited 2-D (Vertical) thrust vectoring (+2º/-5º), Real-time tactical satellite relay, Advanced targeting system.

The Šíp, named so because of the distinctive shape it takes when its wings are swept back, is the first Novikovian aircraft to address the many difficulties and handicaps of most other Novikovian aircraft in service today – the majority of which have their roots in 1970s and ‘80s technology. It incorporates a wide range of ‘modern’ technological innovations including variable-geometry wings and thrust vectoring. The aircraft is intended to replace the current foreign interceptors now used by the Colonial Air Defense Force – principally the Mirage III and Mirage 2000 interceptors – within the next five years.

The first ting most observers notice about the aircraft is its slim shape. It is a large fighter, built with a long tapered nose and rounded cockpit ; only the dual air-intake ports on either side of the aircraft give it bulk. It uses several features adapted from the MiG-27 (in service by the old Novikvoian People’s Air Force for nearly ten years) including the same basic blunt-tipped wing design and a similar mounting mechanism for those wings.

However, though visually similar, the Šíp is the MiG-27’s technological superior. It’s frame is built of 41% Titanium and of a variety of other lightweight metal alloys. These replace the heavier steel components of older aircraft and give the large fighter it’s fairly light weight (7.6 tonnes). The Šíp also utilizes a superior EJ200 Turbofan adapted from Novikov’s current air-superiority aircraft, the EF-2000 Eurofighter. This engine has been slightly modified, not only to adapt it to a thrust-vectoring schematic, but to increase it’s overall power output, raising its thrust 0.08 t when the afterburners are engaged.

The engine is mounted far to the rear of the aircraft, with a long air intake running to a position just behind the cockpit. In order to modify the engine for thrust vectoring, much of the support structure around the exhaust port was removed, and the actual exhaust valve was divided into twelve separate pieces- five on the top and bottom of the exhaust, with one solid piece making up the left and right portions. Attached to the rest of the engine via a hinging mechanism, each of these twelve pieces is capable of being rotated by a small motor which runs off the aircraft’s internal power. Because of the instability of this system, however, the rotation was limited to only a few degrees up or down, lest the exhaust port tear free and the aircraft lose control.

Like the thrust-vectoring system, the Šíp uses a series of electric motors to rotate its wings during flight. These motors are controlled by a computer system very similar to that of the US Navy’s F-14 Tomcat. A series of six external sensors determine the outside windspeed and the velocity of the aircraft and automatically adjust the wings to an optimum setting for those conditions. Typically, this system will bring the wings to a full-back position at roughly .098 Mach. A subsystem of that computer program – dubbed the Lukostrelec (Archer) by her designers – also controls the aircraft’s thrust-vectoring, detecting wind resistance on each of the individual plates which make up the exhaust port. This system responds appropriately to pilot controls, automatically directing exhaust to help the pilot as he pulls up or down on his controls, while maintaining a wide safety margin to ensure the system stays intact.

Inside the cockpit, the pilot is given a wide array of sensor and targeting systems he/she can rely on. Most prominently, each aircraft uses a pair of RDI Intercept Radars adapted from the Mirage 2000, giving them the ability to track up to twelve separate targets. These radar are operated separately of the Cyrano IVM radar which has become the standard on all Novikovian aircraft designs. Because no pilot can reasonably be expected to engage twelve targets while relying on the old method of targeting by aiming the aircraft, a Heads-Up-Display (HUD) has been incorporated into each pilot’s helmet. This HUD operates out of the pilot’s own field of vision – as he turns his head do the HUD turns – and is linked to a miniature joystick which can maneuver the targeting reticule onto any aircraft detected within the HUD, allowing the pilot to simply look, point, and fire, rather than turning his aircraft. This system is effective in a 65% arc centered around the front of the aircraft.

To further help in target acquisition, each pilot’s HUD is also equipped with a small tactical map of the area they are operating in, showing all suspected and known enemy positions, as well as the location of friendly units. This map is updated every five seconds by special broadcast satellites, allowing the pilot to keep up-to-date on all the happenings around him. It is hoped that a similar relay can be incorporated into each SAM deployed by the Novikovian Self-Defense Forces, and that this will eventually lead to a drastic decrease in friendly fire casualties as SAMs are programmed not to engage targets which correspond with friendly units on the tactical display. Until now, however, there has been no success implementing such a system.

Production Cost:147,342,000 Novikovian Euros (~61,100,000 USD)
Export Cost: 151,925,000 Novikovian Euros (~63,000,000 USD)
Production Rights: Not For Sale

Yeah the 360 degree thing is just 3D thrust vectoring. The laser (HELLADS) is actually a feasible MT technology: http://www.darpa.mil/tto/programs/hellads.html
As for the AI, its just a situational awarness computer that manages ECM so the pilot doesn't have to. It's not really "true" AI. I think you're right about the shade II system, but optical active camo is also feasible for MT: http://www.time.com/time/2003/inventions/invinvisible.html

So i dunno...tell me what you think

HELLADS is still being dreamed. Its not even in prototype stages. The problem is that currenlty, lasers are too bulky and are too power hungry to put on aircrafts. For heaven sakes, the Boeing 747 could handle the laser, much less a fighter. If your trying to get a laser that can shoot down incoming missiles then your out of luck.

Novikov:

Don't worry. Your plane is superb product. It incorporates proven technology and is a balanced design. It'll do fine. :)

OOC: Space Union, It's somewhat feasiable, the laser on the 747 was in the hundreds (maybe thousands) of Megawatts range, mine barely get's to 50kw, the planes own engine should handle that small amount of power, besides the most I could do with it is blind IR missiles and damage electronics on very small radar guided ones, it's not an OMG lazer shield.

Some humvees in Iraq have 150kw (I think) laser turrets(instead of guns) to explode roadside bombs and weapon caches, a 50kw laser would be even smaller, I think by the year 2010 we would have come up with 50kw lasers that could fit on an airplane.

OOC: Space Union, It's somewhat feasiable, the laser on the &$& was in the hundreds (maybe thousands) of Megawatts range, mine barely get's to 50kw, the planes own engine should handle that small amount of power, besides the most I could do with it is blind IR missiles and damage electronics on very small radar guided ones, it's not an OMG lazer shield.

As long as neither of you say that you have ultra-mega lasers of uber doom, I'm fine by it. Just don't want this to go PMT-FT.

As long as neither of you say that you have ultra-mega lasers of uber doom, I'm fine by it. Just don't want this to go PMT-FT.
Of course not, besides I have other missile avoiding systems, flares, chaff, Active directional radar jammers, an EMP pulse to disable missiles (30 second recharge time), the lasers is just a CIWS really, not to important.

HELLADS is still being dreamed. Its not even in prototype stages. The problem is that currenlty, lasers are too bulky and are too power hungry to put on aircrafts. For heaven sakes, the Boeing 747 could handle the laser, much less a fighter. If your trying to get a laser that can shoot down incoming missiles then your out of luck.

My HELLADS system is for long range anti-missile/anti-aircraft

Ok well, we'll see what New Velkya says about the whole thing. If need be I'll take off the HELLADS for this competition.

Ok well, we'll see what New Velkya says about the whole thing. If need be I'll take off the HELLADS for this competition.
Oh, about that, New Velkya is using his nation to avoid the Velkya Union's (his main nation) temp-ban, though I think the temp ban will be over sometime today.

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/6564/deathadder8mk.jpg

RS-7 Death Adder

Wing Span: 15.16 m / 49 ft 9 in
Length: 21.94 m / 72 ft
Height: 6.84 m / 22 ft 5 in
Empty: 12,956 kg / 28,565 lb
Fully Loaded: 28,858 kg / 63,634 lb
Maximum takeoff: 36,287 kg / 80,000 lb
Engine: Two Nexus DL-563OVT 3-D vectored-thrust supercruising turbofans, 37,500 lb thrust each
Maximum speed: Mach 2.45
Cruising speed: Mach 1.9
Range: 5,000 km / 3,106 miles
Service Ceiling: 18,288 m / 60,000 ft
Armament:
1 30mm cannon, 1,500 rpm, 250 carried rounds
Internal room for 6 missiles or 2 medium diameter munitions
6 detachable hardpoints on the wing
2 wingtip hardpoints
Crew: 1
Sensors: FLIR; IRST; “Peeping Tom” LPI/NPI, active electronically scanned array, multimode radar; laser rangefinder; advanced night vision and IR cameras.
Cost: $110 million USD


Overview
The Death Adder is a next generation multi-role fighter. It was designed as a replacement for the F/A-18, MiG-29, and Su-27 and better alternative to the Su-35 and F/A-22. The fighter was developed out of the need for a native high performance aircraft with stealth capabilities.

Design
The Death Adder was designed for high performance in hostile environments. With this in mind, its airframe, high thrust-to-weight ratio, and 50° thrust vectoring in any direction make it one of the most maneuverable fighters in the world. The stealth capabilities of the plane also make aid in its environment. With no 90° angles, low IR engines, RAM material use, and no gaps in the airframe this aircraft is about %96 as stealthy as the F/A-22.

Avionics
The Death Adder comes with the most up to date avionics in the industry. It has a fly-by-wire control scheme in an unusual, but surprisingly ergonomic, split control stick layout. The split control sticks are similar to the single mini-stick found on the F-16 and allow the pilot to perform high-G maneuvers while always being in the best possible position in the 30° reclined seat to take those said Gs. The right control stick act like a normal control stick on a regular fighter and the left control stick control the thrust vectoring. Using this system allows the pilot remarkable control over his aircraft. Because his hands are busy, the Death Adder utilizes an advanced voice recognition system to arm, fire, and luanch munitions as well as control other aspects of the aircraft.

Its forward and rearward “Peeping Tom” RADAR is a highly advanced radar that can track up to 48 targets including missiles. Its name is a direct reference to its LPI/NPI characteristics which allows the aircraft to use it while preserving stealth. One important factor of the RADAR is its ability to defeat ARC/Radar-Decoy systems by the use of automated, high-speed frequency and cycle-rate changes, which result in the ARC system “making a mistake” and revealing the presence of an ARC-using aircraft. The radar can also focus its emissions to overload enemy sensors, giving the plane an electronic-attack capability.

The IRST is used for close range target acquisition and can be slaved to the radar to provide even more accurate mid to long range accuracy. Another useful feature is that the 30mm automatic cannon can be slaved to the IRST and laser rangefinder. This allows even more accurate fire than radar-slaved cannons.

Another interesting feature is that the pilot's helmet uses an augmented reality system that effectively makes the entire cockpit a HUD. It also allows the pilot to switch between regular, night vision, and Infa-Red modes. This greatly increases combat awearness, and effective targeting. Wherever that pilot looks, the missil will target.

Armament
The Death Adder carries a fairly large payload supplemented by its 30mm automatic cannon. The cannon is very powerful and is able to take down most aircraft in 4-6 hits.

The aircraft usually carries its payload in two internal bays to preserve stealth. The missiles are launched by hydraulic arms that hurl them away from the aircraft so quickly that the weapons-bay doors pop open for less than one second. In missions where payload has priority over stealth, the aircraft has a total of 8 external hardpoints for other munitions.
Here you go.

Oh, about that, New Velkya is using his nation to avoid the Velkya Union's (his main nation) temp-ban, though I think the temp ban will be over sometime today.

Figures I only know about the rule AFTER I get banned.

From here, I can't do much of anything, but I'm declaring the contest closed.

OOC: The Silver Sky, I don't think the F-133 is yours. It's New Empire (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=362157&page=1&highlight=F-133)'s.

OOC: Yes I know, and he knows too, ask him.

OOC: No, my point is that this fighter competition is for indigenous designs only. Putting a foreign design invalidates that rule.

OOC: No, my point is that this fighter competition is for indigenous designs only. Putting a foreign design invalidates that rule.
Oh, I guess that knocks me out of the running...

OOC: No, my point is that this fighter competition is for indigenous designs only. Putting a foreign design invalidates that rule.

Omz222, why don't you put in one of your fighters. :) They'll give us all a run for our money actually a gigantic running leap. ;)

Omz222, why don't you put in one of your fighters. :) They'll give us all a run for our money actually a gigantic running leap. ;)
OOC: Well, I must admit that I am not specifically a fighter person (more like bomber) in addition to the fact that I also have personal reasons of why I'm purposely avoiding such type of competitions, though such reasons are once again, personal only.

OOC: Well, I must admit that I am not specifically a fighter person (more like bomber) in addition to the fact that I also have personal reasons of why I'm purposely avoiding such type of competitions, though such reasons are once again, personal only.

Yeah I figure that your more bomber person as you have more indegious designs for bombers than anyother category. ;)

OOC: The Silver Sky, I don't think the F-133 is yours. It's New Empire (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=362157&page=1&highlight=F-133)'s.
Well someone should just invite New Empire to the competition.

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The vote thread will be up soon.

i need one of these airplanes!

Novikov:

Don't worry. Your plane is superb product. It incorporates proven technology and is a balanced design. It'll do fine. :)

Thank you.

i need one of these airplanes!

The only thing you need worry about is what you can afford. All these aircraft are top-notch designs for a variety of tech-levels. Choose the one that best fits your military and go with it.

i need one of these airplanes!
Go into my storefront, there's a link in my signature that says Haaj-Fremmel Airworks, and look at the F-12 Dart, a bit cheaper and a bit more powerful than the F-16...

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May I suggest that instead of an open vote, which could be influenced easily, why not gather together a commitee of knowledgeable persons that would be able to judge more fairly. One person I can think of would be Clan Smoke Jaguar.

May I suggest that instead of an open vote, which could be influenced easily, why not gather together a commitee of knowledgeable persons that would be able to judge more fairly. One person I can think of would be Clan Smoke Jaguar.

Exactly. If you want I'll list just a few:

CSJ like USSNA said
Omz222
Adjennia (sorry for spelling your name wrong, I'm in a rush)
Sarzonia
Praetonia (don't know if he actually designs aircrafts)
Isselmere

Lets have public voting one part and the comittee voting another part. Who gets the best score out of the two parts, wins the competition. ;)

I think that' sprobably a better idea than the open vote. If I could reccomend someone, I'd say The Macabees would be a decent judge.

What are the catagories that will be voted on?

I'd say the entire decision should be based around three catagories, Technological Innovation, Design Innovation, and Plausability. I would have something other than plausability, but I feel it is necessary to prevent number-wanked aircraft from going through to win.

Cost-Effective could be another category. You might have an uber $200 million dollar jet, but if you have a slightly less advanced aircraft at %50 the cost, then it would be better cost effective.

Cost-Effective could be another category. You might have an uber $200 million dollar jet, but if you have a slightly less advanced aircraft at %50 the cost, then it would be better cost effective.

The problem is that some people might put down lower price when it is suppose to be higher. What stops me from putting $80 million price tag on my fighter aircraft.

The problem is that some people might put down lower price when it is suppose to be higher. What stops me from putting $80 million price tag on my fighter aircraft.

True, and not everyone has a price listed. I also have some problems with some of these forward swept wing aircraft being able to go Mach 3+. I dont know too much about aircraft, but a FSW would be too weak to work at those speeds. A delta wing works best at those speeds.

True, and not everyone has a price listed. I also have some problems with some of these forward swept wing aircraft being able to go Mach 3+. I dont know too much about aircraft, but a FSW would be too weak to work at those speeds. A delta wing works best at those speeds.

Very true. Even if built with Inconel superalloy, a foward-swept wing doesn't stand a chance at Mach 3, and will be having severe problems even at Mach 2+.

The problem is that some people might put down lower price when it is suppose to be higher. What stops me from putting $80 million price tag on my fighter aircraft.

That's why the Plausibility catagory is in place.

how about "the coolest looking"? :D

Bump, are we going to make a council about this and vote or what?

Bump, are we going to make a council about this and vote or what?

I suggest we do that. It looks like the other died out. We'll make a new thread.

Well, how all ought to be in the council?

Well, how all ought to be in the council?

Well the people listed, I'm guessing. There's people been listed in this thread.

Aw, gee whiz; I'm not on there. :cool:

I dont claim to be an expert on that subject, but I am pretty knowledgeable in modern tech.

Aw, gee whiz; I'm not on there. :cool:

I dont claim to be an expert on that subject, but I am pretty knowledgeable in modern tech.

Well you can't be as your one of the competers ;)

That sucks. I'm impartial. :D

That sucks. I'm impartial. :D
Bull :rolleyes: we all know that you like your own stuff... I know i do...

True, and not everyone has a price listed. I also have some problems with some of these forward swept wing aircraft being able to go Mach 3+. I dont know too much about aircraft, but a FSW would be too weak to work at those speeds. A delta wing works best at those speeds.
There. Toned down the speeds*. I'm not much good at these things.

*: If that's allowed...

I would be interested in signing up for this (I realise this finished enteries a few days ago), as I've only just come back to NS within the past few days. I still have a few good aircraft lying around, if your willing to let me put one forward.