The powers doctrine Revised
The Fedral Union
18-08-2005, 22:54
Section 1: The Union shall uphold neutrality during any conflicts taking place exclusively outside the Alpha and Beta Quadrants that are not seen to threaten it or the galactic area protected within this document. This Powers Doctrine is meant to protect against nations outside the above-noted quadrants with imperialistic or otherwise malevolent intent. All nations based within the Alpha and Beta Quadrants at the time of the passage of this document are exempt from its restrictions.
Section 2: Outside nations seen as intending to destroy or harm the protected quadrants or the existing national governments within those quadrants will not be permitted to colonize or build bases with arms or carrying armed starships within the area of the Alpha and Beta Quadrants. Any nation permitted to enter the protected quadrants may have that permission revoked at any time if it is seen as threatening the well-being of the protected quadrants or any national holdings within the protected quadrants.
Section 3: The Union shall heed any request for assistance from nations under attack from outside powers. Nations within the Alpha and Beta Quadrants wishing to sign this Doctrine and assist in enforcing its provisions
Section 4: The Union and signatory nations will provide any aid that they deem is required by the nations of the Alpha and Beta Quadrants with the consent of those nations.
All national holdings within the limits of the Sol System and nations and ships interacting within the boundaries of this Doctrine solely within the Sol System shall be exempt from its provisions.
Zatarack
18-08-2005, 22:55
OOC: Much better. Now to see if people agree.
OOC:
Sections 1 and 2: How do you define evil nations, and how do you propose to determine the true intent of outside forces?
Section 4: Your quadrants?
Overall: Don't take this the wrong way, but just for the sake of making a document people will take seriously I suggest you have someone with better spelling and grammar (I know you're dyslexic) re-write it.
The Fedral Union
19-08-2005, 00:20
edited
Chronosia
19-08-2005, 00:23
The Imperium continues to ignore the pathetic yammerings of the Union and shall come and go in the Alpha and Beta Quadrants as it sees fit. The Union has no power outside its own borders; let alone to cover half a galaxy. As such, we shall flaunt this piece of paper as we see fit; no one shall deny us the right to traverse the galaxy and explore and colonise as we wish.
We invite the Union to try and stop us; with their pathetic ships waiting for us to fire upon them.
Balrogga
19-08-2005, 00:48
A single probe Emerged from T-Space near the fleet of ships facing the 6 Chronosia vessels. It orientated itself upon the TFU fleet and began broadcasting a signal in all frequencies.
Attention Federation fleet
The Balrogga Empire has determined your attempts at annexing all known and unknown nations in both Alpha and Beta Quadrants is a thinly veiled attempt at expansionism. We will not recognize any mass claims on interstellar space.
Interstellar space is neutral by definition. If any were to recognize your claim, it would prevent any other nation from colonizing new worlds because you had already claimed them. They cannot defend their worlds because you laid down martial law preventing them from moving their forces to a position to enable them their sovereign rights.
It is because of this we cannot support your declaration and will pledge our support instead to those who oppose it.
Any attempts at preventing movements of our forces will result in said action being the first aggressive action upon your part. If any Imperial territory is damaged in any manner because of your actions, it will be returned ten-fold. For every imperial ship you damage, one of yours will be destroyed. For every Imperial ship you destroy, ten of your ships will be obliterated. If you damage any world, one of yours will be destroyed.
There is nothing you can do about this because to provide cover, you will need to stretch your forces so thin that you cannot defend yourself from natural disasters, much less other nations. The two fleets you have gathered so far have exposed several million stars to non-protected status already.
Your home world would be undefended because you dedicated your forces to being scattered through out the two Quadrants. You do not have the military means to place a single soldier in every system in both the Alpha and Beta Quadrant. Providing them with equipment is even more implausible.
I sincerely suggest you recall your Declaration and your ships back to your home before someone decided to make use of that undefended target.
Also, any further pursuit of this policy will result in your ITH Status being placed on Parole until this can be resolved.
His Imperial Majesty
Nhur-Galladu
The probe waited for a reply from the Federation Fleet. Immense power readings can be detected from the probe.
The Balrogga Empire remains firm in it's stance against the acceptance of this meaningless proposal. Without the resources to cover and protect over 100 Billion systems there cannot be any possible way for the Federal Union to enforce their proposal.
Belief in this will only do more harm than good as your small forces rush about in fleets to stop less than ten total ships leaving millions of systems open to attack and, as CF puts it, "Cleansing". His actions alone prove the value of your protection. Your sporadic defense initiatives will only get dependant worlds slaughtered, especially if it takes two fleets numbering in the hundreds to stop two groups of ships totaling 9 vessels.
We remind you to not attempt interaction with any Imperial Forces or it will be taken as an initial aggressive action. Your policy clearly states your prejudice against Empires by the usage of the term “imperial”. We can therefore conclude you are hostile towards the Balrogga Empire itself.
We must remain in our stance against this fallacy.
Have a good life, while it lasts.
His Imperial Majesty
Nhur-Galladu
Outer Heaven MK II
19-08-2005, 00:51
The Empire of Outer Heaven MK II will ignore this treaty for now, but would like to make one thing very clear. You have not stated WHICH Universe this doctrine applies to, and seeing as in our Universe the Milky Way is our territory, by declaring this, you are technically infringing on our territory.
We will quote Article Three, Subsection three, paragraph nine of the OHS/D Treaty. If you do not dispell this doctrine or heavily revise it, we will take action as defined by below:
If and when any Nation infringes on Outer Heaven territories, Outer Heaven will, without exception or hesistation, fight for their territories, no matter what form of infringement has occured.
Please note that as defined by the opening parameter of the treaty, if you violate any of the rights we have in this treaty, you are signing it. Therefore, we are legally allowed to take any action we see fit as regards to the rights or regulations you have violated.
This will be your only warning.
Grand Admiral Anton Slavik,
Leader of Outer Heaven MK II
Siesatia
19-08-2005, 00:58
Siesatia shall now be offering colonization services for any nation deemed 'Evil' or 'Undesirable' by this new Doctrine. The Unified Systems will establish a basic colony, and extract a reasonable sum to pay for its construction from a buyer, where it will then be handed over in a peaceful manner. It would not break any part of the treaty, as Siesatia is an Anti Imperialist, non expansionist nation.
Meanwhile, we will continue to ignore this poorly thought out concept, and offer our assistance of our finest mental institutions...
The Fedral Union
19-08-2005, 00:59
The Imperium continues to ignore the pathetic yammerings of the Union and shall come and go in the Alpha and Beta Quadrants as it sees fit. The Union has no power outside its own borders; let alone to cover half a galaxy. As such, we shall flaunt this piece of paper as we see fit; no one shall deny us the right to traverse the galaxy and explore and colonise as we wish.
We invite the Union to try and stop us; with their pathetic ships waiting for us to fire upon them.
Ic: as we can see none of these nations want this treaty to go through because a unified quadrant means a strong one and means any imperialist nations would find it impossible to attack and destroy our governments and people, we are not forcing any one to accept this document, but those who do sign are Securing a brighter better future, this doctrine will evolve in to the Alpha beta alliance, we only intend to help those nations that wish to be helped and to prevent out side enemy’s from destroying nations that stand no chance against them, nations with a short sight like Chronosia have no place telling any one what to do, as for Balrogga we wish them to sign the treaty and invite any on e wishing to make changes to the document, if they want to make changes let them speak now.
We are only hostile to those empires willing to destroy meaninglessly or wanting to kill massive amount of innocent for personal gain
Signed with the up most sincerity Federation consul new union city Terran prime
Outer Heaven MK II
19-08-2005, 01:03
*Coughs and points to last post*
The Fedral Union
19-08-2005, 01:08
*Coughs and points to last post*
Well you would have a right to engage in an offensive campaign, with other nations how ever we will protect you if those hostile nations come over hear and attempt to conquer territories
The Vuhifellian States
19-08-2005, 01:08
Presidential Approval from The Vuhifellian States
Stevan Daniels, December 23, 2071, Vuhifellian Military Calender
We find that this document is acceptable and as noted above, our President has already signed this treaty.
The Fedral Union
19-08-2005, 01:11
Signtorys:
The Fedral Union
The Vuhifellian States
Warhammer Syndicate
Outer Heaven MK II
19-08-2005, 01:12
Well you would have a right to engage in an offensive campaign, with other nations how ever we will protect you if those hostile nations come over hear and attempt to conquer territories
OOC: *Gapes* TFU, I think you should accept Siesatia's invitation. You just ASKED me to declare WAR on you. And even so, you said you'd PROTECT me, even though I'd be attacking you. My my, you better be hot on your heels.
IC: Indeed we are legally allowed to! You will destroy this doctrine immediately, or we will declare a state of war between our two Nations!
Grand Admiral Anton Slavik
The Fedral Union
19-08-2005, 01:15
ic: we were assuming you did no mean us and meant an outside force, if you mean us we will defend our selves fully
and we will not yield to your hallow and pitiful threats, you are in no position to order us to do any thing
Balrogga
19-08-2005, 01:17
If you are defending yourself against Outer Heaven, then how can you keep your promise to the Alpha and Beta Quadrant nations?
Chronosia
19-08-2005, 01:20
Nor are you in any position to order other nations around. As an inhabitant of the Milky Way, we of the Imperium stand firm in our resolve to do whatever we please. You shall not stop us or interfere in anyway with our ambitions; we have ships in the Alpha and Beta quadrants; and shall continue to send them forth. No foreign Dictat shall tell the Imperium how to go about its business.
Warhammer Syndicate
19-08-2005, 01:23
Warhammer Syndicate does not wish the Alpha and Beta Quadrants to be plunged into war and endless violence. Warhammer Syndicate Defense Forces will help defend USFU Space, but only as a defense measure, not offensive at this time.
President Weis has choosen to sign this treaty for the benefit of everyone in this agreement.
**Transmission Ended**
Kanuckistan
19-08-2005, 01:24
The Dominion maintains that the Union has no authority over international spaces, nor over that of independent nation-states, regaurdless of how or why it wishes to exercise any such supposed authority.
If in your arogance you initiate armed conflict, the Dominion may find itself compelled to assist those sovereign states whom find themselves oppressed in resisting your missguided imperialistic advances.
Signed:
Bob McBob
Minister Bob McBob,
Department of the Exterrior,
Kanuckistan
The Fedral Union
19-08-2005, 01:25
ooc: Did you short sighted people not read the damn treaty! read it and tell me its OMFG against j00!)
Outer Heaven MK II
19-08-2005, 01:29
Slavik raised an eyebrow at this point.
Then so be it then, you damn fools.
Slavik began typing a response:
Congratulations, you have just signed the OHS/D Treaty. Seeing as you are violating a regulation in this treaty, we are now declaring a state of open war between our two Nations. However, due to the fact that you effectively declared war youself on us, my Alliance, the GA, which is made up of Nations such as Klonor and Indra Prime, they are also going to declare war on you.
Have a nice day,
Grand Admrial Anton Slavik
Slavik then immediately sent out this message on a wideband frequency.
Anti-Doctrinists, rejoice. TFU has just made a hostile action against my Empire, and therefore, we are now in a state of open warfare. I implore all my allies, and any other nations that wish to join me, to help in retaliating to TFU's hostile action. For those of you that wish to remain neutral, you will get to witness the true effectiveness of the TFU Doctine, and TFU's Policing. I bid you all good day, and look forward to the outcome of this situation.
Sincerely,
Grand Admiral Anton Slavik
_________________________________________________________________
A few days afterward, hundreds of Subspace Portals appeared on the very edge of the Alpha and Beta Quadrants. Out of these portals came half the Outer Heaven Fleet, Five thousand ships in total, including the Colossus MK II.
On the Bridge of the Colossus, Slavik grinned.
"Tactical, inform me when our allies join our lines please."
OOC: It's up to you guys now. Obviously, the GA members are obligated to join me in this war.
Chronosia
19-08-2005, 01:30
OOC: Regardless of what you think it means, there is that damnable thing that people have called Opinion
Warhammer Syndicate
19-08-2005, 01:30
Warhammer Syndicate hopes that this treaty will be beneficial to everyone that has signed it. However, Warhammer Syndicate Armed Forces will operate as an independent force not under the orders of anyone else but President Weis, we will enfore our own rules and regulations inside our borders, we will though, help anyone in need of aid or military assistance if they are being harrassed or attacked by an outside power.
**End Transmission**
Kanuckistan
19-08-2005, 01:31
ooc: Did you short sighted people not read the damn treaty! read it and tell me its OMFG against j00!)
OOC:
It might not directly affect us, but we oppose it as a matter of principal.
We are also not as 'alpha/beta quadrant power', unless you count our Sol holdings; we're predominatly located on the opposite side of the galaxy.
The Fedral Union
19-08-2005, 01:34
OOC:
It might not directly affect us, but we oppose it as a matter of principal.
We are also not as 'alpha/beta quadrant power', unless you count our Sol holdings; we're predominatly located on the opposite side of the galaxy.
Yes because you are the OMFG superpowers of the II universe we all bow down to your greatness, that’s so typical I expected these responses to a re worded benevolent treaty trying to help people.
Zatarack
19-08-2005, 01:34
It's still a very stupid doctrine.
~General Nodockor
Valdun
Outer Heaven MK II
19-08-2005, 01:36
OOC: My War Fleet size seems reasonable.
Warhammer Syndicate
19-08-2005, 01:37
It's still a very stupid doctrine.
~General Nodockor
Valdun
OOC: Once again, thats an opinion.
Outer Heaven MK II
19-08-2005, 01:38
OOC: Oh yes, we did warn you what you were doing TFU, so stop throwing empty threats and mobilise.
Kanuckistan
19-08-2005, 01:41
Congratulations, you have just signed the OHS/D Treaty.
OOC:
I don't think any sane nation will genuinly recognise this as a valid claim, as this treaty apears to be a rather blaintent ifringment on forgine sovereignty.
Indeed, it looks like a thinly veiled attempt to justify the invoking of defencive alliances for use in wars they wouldn't normally apply to, by artifically placing your government in the position of the 'victim'.
Outer Heaven MK II
19-08-2005, 01:43
OOC: Check our first posts. We told TFU what would happen, and that he'd be effectively signing the treaty due to what he was doing.
The Fedral Union
19-08-2005, 01:44
... what ever the hell your tlaking about..
Outer Heaven MK II
19-08-2005, 01:47
... what ever the hell your tlaking about..
To put it simply. You didn't heed to our warnings. A simple revision to the treaty saying that it applied to this Universe only would have averted this. But sadly, you didn't, and you insulted me too. And as I stated, one of the opening sentences of the OHS/D treaty is that if you violate any of our rights or terms, you effectively sign the treaty, so we can then declare war on you. Which we have. I have my forces now in 'your' quadrants, ready for battle. Reread the entire thread if you need to.
Kanuckistan
19-08-2005, 01:49
Yes because you are the OMFG superpowers of the II universe we all bow down to your greatness, that’s so typical I expected these responses to a re worded benevolent treaty trying to help people.
OOC:
Where did this come from? I was only explaining the reasoning behind my government's IC opposition to this doctrine.
Balrogga
19-08-2005, 01:51
If there is going to be a war, you might want to start it in a new Thread.
Don't want to be accused of hyjacking the Thread...
Adejaani
19-08-2005, 01:53
Castellan Fotheringown, the Deputy Head of State sighed and rubbed her forehead. "I think everyone's missing the point."
Jack Brightman, who was technically the most Senior Advisor to the Adejaani Leadership grunted through his mustache and read his own copy of the newly revised Powers Doctrine. "And you question why we demobilised the majority of the Space Corps, Castellan."
"Conceded." Fotheringown adjusted her glasses. "Frame two replies, one to each side of the argument. I hope we clear things up slightly, though I, for one, don't have a felgercarbing clue what's going on anymore with this."
Perhaps you are going about this the wrong way. Under the current terms of the Doctrine, The Federal Union is proposing, in effect, a Space Defense Force that would seek to defend against invaders.
In short, a "United Nations" style group that seeks to defend the races within from hostile nations without. However, it is our belief that a policing force, dedicated to stopping piracy and trafficking be more useful than this... Defense Force (in effect if not in name).
The Powers Doctrine seeks to protect nations within Alpha and Beta Quadrant from nations without. It is not seeking to rally nations within against each other, merely to protect it from threats we do not yet know.
Penguenia
19-08-2005, 01:54
On behalf of His Imperial Majesty, Emperor Raziel I, the Grand Imperial Dominion of Penguenia (henceforth GIDP) hereby denounces all signatories, past and present, of the proposal put forth by the United Federation of Planets of the Fedral Union (henceforth UFPTFU). All terms outlined by the FU are utterly ridiculous and breach the sovereignty of every nation, including the GIDP, in what the UFPTFU has arbitrarily deemed the “Alpha and Beta Quadrants”.
Furthermore, the GIDP will continue to expand her trade networks, quell rebellious sentient life forms, and protect the security and longevity of its borders and sovereign rights. As of this time, the UFPTFU is officially recognized by the Emperor, the Senate, and the Corporate Triad of the GIDP as an [i]Sovereign Entity in Dire Need of an Ideological Change”. That being said, the GIDP will still gladly accept any trade from the UFPTFU and hopes for the economic prosperity of its territories and citizens.
In Duty,
Ashidaka Mifune, Duke of Marathon, First Duke of the Dominion.
ooc: That means that we don't approve, but will gladly continue to use your nation for our own economic gains.
The Fedral Union
19-08-2005, 01:55
Castellan Fotheringown, the Deputy Head of State sighed and rubbed her forehead. "I think everyone's missing the point."
Jack Brightman, who was technically the most Senior Advisor to the Adejaani Leadership grunted through his mustache and read his own copy of the newly revised Powers Doctrine. "And you question why we demobilised the majority of the Space Corps, Castellan."
"Conceded." Fotheringown adjusted her glasses. "Frame two replies, one to each side of the argument. I hope we clear things up slightly, though I, for one, don't have a felgercarbing clue what's going on anymore with this."
you hit it right on the nail i may have worded it terribly wrong again but you got the point thats what im trying to do...
Chronosia
19-08-2005, 01:57
"it seeks to limit the Imperium within and without the area he proclaims to protect. We will not be labelled as evil by him and then be limited in our comings and goings. We shall not accept any Fedral law outside of its borders. We shall oppose it on every count. The Imperium reserves the right to traverse international space if it so wills it; and shall not be limited by a treaty founded by the Union. We shall not yield on this."
Kaymiril
19-08-2005, 01:57
The Queendom of Kaymiril finds the notion of this 'Powers' document absurd.
One nation CANNOT police an entire two sectors. It would need a military taskforce of several trillion individuals, which is not something at TFU's disposal.
We find that TFU is guilty of attempting to dominate half of the galaxy. This is unacceptable, and as such, Kaymiril's assistence goes to the side opposed.
~Kaymiril VII, Valsharess.
Kanuckistan
19-08-2005, 01:59
OOC: Check our first posts. We told TFU what would happen, and that he'd be effectively signing the treaty due to what he was doing.
OOC:
Yes, but in reality you are signing this treaty on their behalf, without their specific consent; it is, in reality, a rather contrived way of creating a suposedly moral superiority.
In reality, it has about as much weight as, say, a 'treaty' where everyone who doesn't pay you tribute automaticly signs a charter declaring themselves a province of your empire, so you can invade them under the context of putting down a rebellion or engaging in police action. IE, pure BS(although I know that this is probally going to give some imperalistic nations Ideas(tm)).
Outer Heaven MK II
19-08-2005, 02:02
OOC: Yes, but we aren't that cruel
The Humankind Abh
19-08-2005, 02:05
OOC: Tag
IC: Well TFU, it seems like you have a mess on your hands. I hope the Empire of Outer Heaven knows what they are trying to start. You do realize that TFU is not without his own allies, don't you?
Adejaani
19-08-2005, 02:12
OOC: Read this (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9472562&postcount=36) for my longhand summary.
The Powers Doctrine seeks to protect nations within the Alpha and Beta quadrants from threats in the Gamma, Delta Quadrants and beyond. That's all it's trying to do.
It is not trying to be TFU's attempt to build an empire to quash nations within or bully them, it's defending from threats without.
The Fedral Union
19-08-2005, 02:36
Thanks, you got what this thing meant I don’t know how but you got it next time ill try not to poorly word it
Outer Heaven MK II
19-08-2005, 02:37
Official Communiqué
Following TFU's firing of Ignore Cannons, making him invunerable, we have decided to pull out of the war. However, if TFU ever tries to enter my space, I'll assume he's trying to police it. So hopefully TFU won't bother.
Grand Admiral Anton Slavik
___________________________________________________________________
All the OH MKII Forces pulled out of the Universe, back to their home Universe. This war will be officially known as 'The Ghost Battle for Territorial Rights', and the outcome of the war will be labeled as a 'draw'.
The Fedral Union
19-08-2005, 02:39
I only ignored it becuse it was a silly reason, if you want a war id be glad to set something up with you .
Kanuckistan
19-08-2005, 02:41
OOC: Read this (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9472562&postcount=36) for my longhand summary.
The Powers Doctrine seeks to protect nations within the Alpha and Beta quadrants from threats in the Gamma, Delta Quadrants and beyond. That's all it's trying to do.
It is not trying to be TFU's attempt to build an empire to quash nations within or bully them, it's defending from threats without.
OOC:
I think it's the part where he claims to jurisdiction over the entire half-galaxy, and the right to exclude nations from acting within this space, that is rilling folks up.
Those with territory in this area take offence because he is claiming authority over their space that suposedly supersedes their own, and implying that they need his protection, which I'm sure many find insulting. Those outside it, because he is claiming the authority to regulate their actions within it at his discression, should he deem them a threat ot other, sovereign nations.
This is just the tip of the iceburg; it doesn't even start to touch on those who might not trust the Union's motives, etc.
None of which TFU intended, I'm sure, just as I'm just many of the folks posting here realise, atleast OOCly; however, other nations naturally view his actions through coloured glasses - that is, their IC world view affects how a nation ICly percives the actions and motives of it's neighbours, and thus how it responds.
Almost without question, an IC government will view these actions in a much different light than an OOC player; what was actually intended has much less bearing on how good RPers will react than what was actually done and said, and how their government would, based on it's unique characteristics and personalities, react.
Outer Heaven MK II
19-08-2005, 02:43
OOC:
I think it's the part where he claims to jurisdiction over the entire half-galaxy, and the right to exclude nations from acting within this space, that is rilling folks up.
Those with territory in this area take offence because he is claiming authority over their space that suposedly supersedes their own, and implying that they need his protection, which I'm sure many find insulting. Those outside it, because he is claiming the authority to regulate their actions within it at his discression, should he deem them a threat ot other, sovereign nations.
This is just the tip of the iceburg; it doesn't even start to touch on those who might not trust the Union's motives, etc.
None of which TFU intended, I'm sure, just as I'm just many of the folks posting here realise, atleast OOCly; however, other nations naturally view his actions through coloured glasses - that is, their IC world view affects how a nation ICly percives the actions and motives of it's neighbours, and thus how it responds.
Almost without question, an IC government will view these actions in a much different light than an OOC player; what was actually intended has much less bearing on how good RPers will react than what was actually done and said, and how their government would, based on it's unique characteristics and personalities, react.
OOC: Too true
Hyperspatial Travel
19-08-2005, 02:45
This act of blatant discrimination against the Delta and Gamma quadrants has left us shock. We did not realise that the Unionists were such howling bigots. In response to this monstrously biased move, we must regretfully order our ships to shoot down any TFU ships within our borders (Even though such an order existed before, but now, we shoot the bigger guns, so you don't have a chance to get away), as the discriminatory Robert Bastidas seems to have no shame, in the breadth of his injustice.
- Minister for Non-Internal Affairs, Clone 1178.
Kanuckistan
19-08-2005, 02:53
I only ignored it becuse it was a silly reason, if you want a war id be glad to set something up with you .
OOC:
The reason he gave was silly, but it was also an IC one, and thus perfectly valid.
Of course, I doubt that it was the real reason, because like you said, it was rather silly, and actuall governments tend not to go to war for such contrived reasons unless there is a greater underlying reason - that is, I belive that it was nothing but a thin ploy of propiganda to maintain a veil of moral superiority, and that his actual IC reason has thusfar to be revealed, unless he did so to you in private conversation.
The Fedral Union
19-08-2005, 03:03
sorry for blowing up on you .. Kanuckistan i was just irrtated becuse no one saw what my treat was about ..
Adejaani
19-08-2005, 03:35
OOC: At least TFU's heart is in the right place...
Perhaps, TFU, you... Got this to be an input, rather than arbitrary "This is it and only this" um... Process? Getting peoples' input instead of "Who's with me"? Because I, frankly, would be interested in this Alpha/Beta unified self defense force.
Oh and... TFU, I can assure you, I am not Iuthicito's puppet. I assure you, Adejaani has been my (Quincy's) nation forever and only me. I am no one's puppet.
The Fedral Union
19-08-2005, 03:50
ok youre in yull have to make an IC post thought about it .. and you're right .. you have a lot of points in your post
The Fedral Union
19-08-2005, 05:23
The Quadrant Coalition:
We, the members of the Quadrant Coalition, in order to protect our citizens and those of our fellow nations; serve for the common defense; prevent hostilities against nations in the Alpha and Beta Quadrants; and provide for the greater good, do hereby swear to unite our military forces into this coalition.
1.) The Quadrant Coalition exists to defend the Alpha and Beta Quadrants against attack from points beyond. To respect the sovereignty of the nations within the Alpha and Beta Quadrants, we respect the right of each nation to defend its own borders within territorial space. In international space, however, we shall defend the Quadrants as a whole from attack.
2) The Quadrant Coalition is a defensive coalition, and does not condone pre-emptive attacks by member states outside of the boundaries set by the Quadrant Coalition. If a member state is to pre-emptively strike a nation outside the Alpha or Beta Quadrants, the Quadrant Coalition shall disavow the attack, refuse support for such an attack, and shall suspend the offending nation, with the length of time determined by the severity of the attack. Member states that support the attack shall find themselves in violation of the coalition charter and shall be suspended, with the length of time determined by the severity of the attack.
3) Upon request by any state within the Alpha or Beta Quadrants for assistance in any form, whether economic, military, or medical; whether a member of the coalition or not, the members of the coalition shall assist the nation in question in manners appropriate and requested.
4) The Quadrant Coalition has no authority over the territorial space of any nation within any Quadrant outside of their member states’ territorial spaces, and members may not attempt to apply their law to another nation’s in such a fashion. Members who attempt to do so shall be suspended by the Quadrant Coalition for an indefinite amount of time.
5) The Coalition’s grand authority is the Head Council, which is made up of one representative each of each member state that is not suspended at the time. Each state has one vote, and all proposals to the Coalition shall be voted on by the Head Council.
6) Nations may express their wish to join the coalition to any member nation, who shall immediately submit such a wish to the Head Council, which shall vote on the matter.
7) The Quadrant Coalition’s primary purpose is to defend the Alpha and Beta Quadrants against hostile actions from nations outside the respective quadrants. “Hostile actions” are defined as a declaration of war or military action against Alpha and Beta Quadrant nations. To respect national sovereignty, the Coalition shall only enter territorial space as per the request of the nation occupying the respective space.
8) The Coalition shall not be party to any wars among nations in the Alpha and Beta Quadrants, or wars among nations in the Gamma and Delta quadrants. Member states are not banned from taking military action within these areas, but any action not explicitly granted by points 1, 2, and 7 shall not be considered as jurisdiction of the Coalition.
9) The Coalition shall not have jurisdiction over Special Sectors, which are considered neutral due to various external factors, regardless of geographic placement.
Members: The Fedral Union
The Vuhifellian States
Warhammer Syndicate
Special Sectors: Sol System
(newly revised treaty thanks to Tiburon for the help!)
In light of the Federation's retraction of its original declaration and the steps it has taken to show its good intentions, along with the formation of the Quadrant Coalition, which the Socialist Republic finds to be a moderate and constructive alliance, the Alphini of the Socialist Republic have decided to reconsider the Federation's hostile status and reassign the nation to a watch list. The Socialist Republic is also withdrawing its previously activated fleets from international space patrol duties in response to what we see as a reduced threat level. After careful consideration, it has also been decided that the Socialist Republic will maintain diplomatic contact and offices with the Federation and end its ban of non-military federal ships from Xanthalian territory. However, any Starfleet vessel wishing to enter Xanthalian space must have prior approval from the Xanthalian government until further notice. Federal ships found in violation of these terms will be impounded and their crews subject to detention. We hope that, in the future, the Federation will give deeper consideration to its declarations to avoid further misunderstandings and unnecessary international diplomatic stress.
Yătzĭl Ämsi
First Alphin of the Socialist Republic of Xanthal
Siesatia
19-08-2005, 12:33
OOC: It looks like a mixture of the Powers Doctrine, and the Military Section of the ESUS Constitution.
IC:
Any federal vessels inside Siesatian Claimed space, Civilian or Military, will be impounded. Any attempt to escape or resist will be seen as an agressive act, and we will not hesitate to fire upon them. Goods onboard these ships will be siezed and destroyed, personel will be detained for questioning, and their ships will eventually be used for target practice, or be stripped down to their critical engineering components so that they may be evaluated to determine any weaknesses in their construction.
Personel will be returned when it is determined what their mission was.
Siesatia continues to laugh at the Powers Doctrine, and views the Quadrent Coalition as a private police force to be used to enforce the Powers Doctrine and it's idiotic rules. We are at a loss at how the Union will be able to staff all the needed ships (Or even build them) to police the area they have designated. Even with allies, their populations combined are only about 6 Billion... it would take an order of trillions of military personel to accomplish this feat.
Any nation who signs either pact, will be viewed as an ally of the Trade Federal Union, and the same conditions will apply to their ships as of TFU ships in Siesatian space.
We will also cease our anti Pirate activities near their sectors of space.
East Coast Federation
19-08-2005, 15:17
The Terran Empire has issued this statement:
We laugh at this pitiful grasp for power. This Evil Empire known as the Federal Union just wants power. We will traverse space as we have for the past 1,000 years, and we'll be dammed if some tainted life forms will stop us. Suck it.
Any TFU ship found in Terran Empire space will be destroyed. The crews killed, the women and children used as slaves until they die.