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The Republic of National Commonwealth (PFRNC)

From the Office of State General Richards
6789 Rue Champs-De-République
Verum, RNC Federal District 14556

As a matter of national security for PFRNC and her allies, the Foreign Relations Commision requests that all states with nuclear capabilities declare it here, so that we may have an open database. In light of a recent spark in inter-global interest in nuclear trade (black market and ortherwise), successful diplomacy requires that we have as much information as possible. We understand if you do not wish to divulge full details of your nation's nuclear weapons program, but we would appreciate anything you can tell us about your deterrent. We may have a treaty in the works. Thank you for your cooperation.

Adam Corps
Department of State, PFRNC

Abridged Details of PFRNC Nuclear Arsenal & Deterrent Capability

Active Service: Fully operational and mated with delivery systems: 600 ICBM
"Hedge" Stockpile: 569 warheads
Inactive Reserve: 1390 warheads
note: 20% 25-year reduction in arsenal under way

Legacy Platforms:

Trident D-5 SLBM
Peacekeeper/M-X ICBM
Minuteman III Mark 12A ICBM
Trident C-4 SLBM
Lance SRBM
Minuteman III ICBM
Minuteman II ICBM

Although we wish not to disclose any specifics, we will acknowladge our nuclear capability in both the Stratigic and Tactical role. As of currently we posess a primarily tactical aresonol, and a policy of proportional responce in the use of such weapons. Our Stratigic deterrant capabilities however are under a full scale attack police if ever used, commonly referedto as "MAD".

- Commanding Officer of Special Weapons,
General Dr. Gilga Banada

This has been done before, sorry.

For all purposes on NS is it ASSUMED, that any nation with a population of over 100 million has nuclear weapons or other WMDs. It is infact easier to make an anti-nuclear weapon alliance and list nations that support conventional warfare only.

Yeah he's right if all the people with WMD were on this data base the thread would go for hundreds of pages and contain thousands of names it really isn't possible only a tiny fraction of people over 100 million don't have nuclear weapons and thats usually because they either have a moral objection or don't like the devastation brought by them.

OOC: Done, I appreciate the information!

IC: However, if any nation would still like to post detailed information, I don't see the harm in that. Otherwise, closed...

we acknoledge posession of subkiloton devices with a variety of delivery systems.
these weapons are occasionally made availible for purchase. to be considered as a buyer, a nation must establish a history free from offensive actions.

OOC: Done, I appreciate the information!

IC: However, if any nation would still like to post detailed information, I don't see the harm in that. Otherwise, closed...

Ya, I hate to admit it, but its pretty clear that 99.9% of all MT (and generally FT has better weapons to boot) that are on Nationstates have Nuclear Weapons.

Kjata possesses nuclear technology but possesses no nuclear weapons. So I am part of that few fraction.

OOC: Probably the extent of my "Weapons of Mass Destruction," just haven't had a chance to use all of them.

IC:

Strategic and Tactical Nuclear Weaponry

Trident D-5 SLBM
Warhead: MIRV, Three 1MT Thermonuclear, three decoy warheads
Platforms
Magna Casa-class SSBN
Usage
Strategic Nuclear Deterrent

AQ-400 Nuclear Warhead
Warhead: 400kT Nuclear
Platforms
Phoenix Extreme-Range Cruise Missile
Usage
Tactical Nuclear Weapon

AQ-1000 Nuclear Warhead
Warhead: 1MT Thermonuclear
Platforms
B-2 Spirit Strategic Stealth Bomber
F-36 Viper Strike Fighter
F-39 Copperhead Strike Fighter
Minuteman III ICBM (MIRV, three warheads, three decoy warheads)
Usage
Strategic Nuclear Deterrent

Chemical Agents

G-Agents

Cyclosarin (Cyclohexyl methylphosphonofluoridate)
Platforms
M925 60mm Mortar Shell
M930 120mm Mortar Shell
M950 155mm Howitzer Shell
M955 203mm Howitzer Shell
M970 250mm Artillery Rocket
BLU-80/B Bigeye Chemical Agent Delivery Weapon
Phoenix Extreme-Range Cruise Missile
Usage
Urban Pacification, Tactical and Strategic Deployment

V-Agents

VX (O-ethyl S-[2-diisopropylaminoethyl] methylphosphonothioate)
Platforms
M926 60mm Mortar Shell
M931 120mm Mortar Shell
M951 155mm Howitzer Shell
M956 203mm Howitzer Shell
M971 250mm Artillery Rocket
BLU-80/B Bigeye Chemical Agent Delivery Weapon
Phoenix Extreme-Range Cruise Missile
Usage
Tactical and Strategic Deployment

Non-Lethal Agents

CS (Ortho-Chloro-Benzal Malonitrile)
Platforms
35mm Bursting Cannon Round
40mm Bursting Grenade
M927 60mm Mortar Shell
M880 Canister Grenade
Usage
Urban Pacification and Tactical Deployment

This has been done before, sorry.

For all purposes on NS is it ASSUMED, that any nation with a population of over 100 million has nuclear weapons or other WMDs. It is infact easier to make an anti-nuclear weapon alliance and list nations that support conventional warfare only.Except of course in the cases where you're utterly and completely wrong, like, uh, Tanah Burung, Iuthia, The most glorious Hack, Dread Lady Nathicana (I think), CairnTarra, Tarasovka... Do I need to go on?

Furthermore, you didn't really read the thread, did you? Given that this isn't an alliance, but merely a list.

Try again, possibly without pulling assumptions that are so completely and utterly wrong that they make you look like a complete fool.

PS: Arr, nukes. Plenty o' them.

Look there's no need to get all worked up and call perople fools he just stated his point of view and the fact of the matter is that most nation have nuclear weapons, sure there are of course many notable exceptions and nuclear weapons almost never play a major role in an RP due to the destructive nature of using them and the likely "counter nukes" but he was right it would be faster to list the countries without nukes than the countries with them.

In the real world Uldarious, we call them commas.

This is a list of my WMD.
GROUND BASED NUCLEAR WEAPONS
34,000 MIRV 101 MIRV ICBM
34,000 RETALIATION Class ICBM
20,000 INSTIGATOR Class IRBM
Over 500,000 megatons combined in free fall ordnance of nuclear, atomic, and hydrogen bombs
hundreds of thousands of assorted NBC shells
hundreds of thousands of assorted DU shells
Over 50,000 1500lb Anthrax filled free fall ordnance bombs
Over 50,000 1500lb Sarin filled free fall ordnance bombs
Over 1,000,000 tons of Napalm and FABS ordnance

NAVAL BASED
2,000 [launchable at any one time] FIRST STRIKE Class SLBM
4,000 [launchable at any one time] ORBIT Class SLMIRV

SPACE BASED WMD
Eighteen PEGASUS Class Six Barreled Revolver MAC Satellites [750mm]
Eighteen CYLCOPs Class Single Barreled Super MAC Sattelites [1450mm]
Twenty PARTISAN Class Single Barreled Uber MAC Sattelites [2500mm]
Twentyfive STRIKER Class Twenty tubed SpLM Launchers [250 megatons each]

The Imperium considers itself Weapon of Mass Destruction (WMD) capable, however at this time the Imperium possesses no nuclear weapons, and the only chemical and biological agents it possess are the small quantities being used in countermeasure research (for example: vaccines, antidotes, and other various protective measures). Yet, the Imperium still possesses the knowledge for the creation of such cruel and unusual weapons of mass torture and mass murder, by a Praetorian Edict and Imperial Senate Resolution use and possession of such weapons had been forbidden permanently.

At one time the Imperium possessed a small arsenal of nuclear weapons. They have been since disarmed and dismantled, their launch platforms being used for other purposes (including but not limited to conventional weapon use, and orbital satellite deployment).

The Imperium also operates an advanced and partly secretive Anti-WMD deemed (humbly) to be one of the best in the world. Having been tested during extreme circumstances the Anti-Ballistic Missile sheild succeed in the destruction of almost ninety percent of its targets. The addition of top secret countersystems (including Orbital Kinetic Interceptors and new LASER Cannon Batteries) has greatly improved its capabilities.

Imperial Drakonian Military Command
located in Drako Throne,
capital of the Grand Dominion of Drakonian Imperium

Jeruselem cannot hide the fact it continues to develop nuclear and other Weapons of Mass Destruction. However we cannot release the details of our capabilities, but we do not plan to the use them for unjustifiable purposes.

General Shabat
Minister for Defense

Except of course in the cases where you're utterly and completely wrong, like, uh, Tanah Burung, Iuthia, The most glorious Hack, Dread Lady Nathicana (I think), CairnTarra, Tarasovka... Do I need to go on?

Furthermore, you didn't really read the thread, did you? Given that this isn't an alliance, but merely a list.

Try again, possibly without pulling assumptions that are so completely and utterly wrong that they make you look like a complete fool.

PS: Arr, nukes. Plenty o' them.

Uh ya...did YOU read?

all states with nuclear capabilities declare it here, so that we may have an open database.

I said that it was EASIER to make a list of people who DON'T use nuclear weapons.

For all purposes on NS is it ASSUMED, that any nation with a population of over 100 million has nuclear weapons or other WMDs.It is infact easier to make an anti-nuclear weapon alliance and list nations that support conventional warfare only.

Now was I calling for an alliance, no. Was I suggesting that its stupid to ask every nation on NS with nuclear capabilties to post it in this thread to make a list? YES! Can you please open your eyes and actually look at the posts before just blasting me for something that is missing a very important piece of information? Oh ya, and the person who read my post and responded said this:

Yeah he's right if all the people with WMD were on this data base the thread would go for hundreds of pages and contain thousands of names it really isn't possible only a tiny fraction of people over 100 million don't have nuclear weapons and thats usually because they either have a moral objection or don't like the devastation brought by them.

So do you intend to state you are for the hundreds of pages of names of people who have nukes or the small number of people who don't have them and don't want them? Oh and again just to make sure, I said it is easier to make an alliance and LIST nations that support conventional warfare. Hmm...appears like you read halfway through and posted to insult me. My stating it is easier to make an alliance and then list is because nations that don't use WMDs or Nukes are targetted in war a little more easily. Though your failure to recognize the second part of my sentance is weird.

Now if you actually read my post and was confused, sorry, but apparently not the people responsing or the thread starter himself got this confused. Just don't go off on people when they are clearly reading the thread and saying that the idea to list nations with nukes is completely crazy when the nations without them (and can have them) are so disproportionately smaller then the rest.

To bad that 1. This isn't what the thread calls for, and 2. It isn't 'so disproportionally smaller', ne? Furthermore, this thread (As much as I despise mere listings) makes a helluva lot of sense as soon as you include the doctrines various nations have for their nuclear arsenals (Tactical battlefield weapon, strategic extermination only, the likes), and you can't do that when listing the opposite.

This has been done before, sorry.

For all purposes on NS is it ASSUMED, that any nation with a population of over 100 million has nuclear weapons or other WMDs. It is infact easier to make an anti-nuclear weapon alliance and list nations that support conventional warfare only.

What? No it isn't. People need to allow for researching, development, testing, etc. It isn't assumed that the second you hit 100 mil, a hundred Minuteman missiles magically materialise in the back garden of your President/Tyrant/King/Queen/Other's private house. Some people think that, ICly, they are barbaric weapons used by cowards and fools, and OOCly, they are never RPed properly. Ever. Which is why I avoid any RP that uses nukes.

Without going into details, Chastmere is willing to acknowledge that it indeed has a substantial nuclear capability.


Mr P. ShootFirstAskQuestionsLater
Defense Minister
Department of Defense

What? No it isn't. People need to allow for researching, development, testing, etc. It isn't assumed that the second you hit 100 mil, a hundred Minuteman missiles magically materialise in the back garden of your President/Tyrant/King/Queen/Other's private house. Some people think that, ICly, they are barbaric weapons used by cowards and fools, and OOCly, they are never RPed properly. Ever. Which is why I avoid any RP that uses nukes.


Jeeze, I didn't mean it like that. I was referring how nations over 100 million people are accepted for having nukes without questions asked. Not that they all do them. Though it is hard to create a good cut-off line, I had gone with previous nuclear storefronts that appeared to have more then 100 million people before they would consider selling. If a nation has 260 million people and a nation has 50 million people, who would you think have nukes and can support them?

If you are really want nuclear technology its easy to get, yes. Though I was giving an estimate, and it was pretty fine. I didn't base my comment on just some random number, I based it on the number as a milestone and as other storefronts have done it. Don't be so harsh on a guy for giving a general truth, but it isn't always right. There are exceptions to any rule it seems on NS.

If a nation has 260 million people and a nation has 50 million people, who would you think have nukes and can support them?The US and France. Lemme check...

Oh, both have strategic arsenals.

So, as a random suggestion, BOTH can support it?

Actually France has a little over 60 million (Jan, 2005) and the USA has closer to 300 million (Aug, 2005).
But more importantly in NS a nation that has 50 million is likely to be only a couple of weeks old whereas 260 million is more to the tune of a few months and even using NS time a nation only 15 years old is unlikely to be well off enough to afford a nuclear program (or one that will achieve nuclear weapons within a decade or less at least), whereas a nation that is 70-100 years old is likely to be able to support a nuclear program that will yield results within a few years, of course if they buy the weapons or recieve them in trade it's a different story...
Also I do know that Nukes are almost always used as a sort of Godmode in RP's as they have never really been used in battle, only as a weapon of mass slaughter of civilians so it comes as no surprise that no nation can RP them well, I myself think that they are a brutal and crude weapon that shouldn't be used in NS.
But come on man, just ease off, he was only trying to make an estimate.

Actually France has a little over 60 million (Jan, 2005) and the USA has closer to 300 million (Aug, 2005).The time the nukes were developed fby each country, of course.

But if you want to split hairs, lets look at North Korea, perhaps?

But more importantly in NS a nation that has 50 million is likely to be only a couple of weeks old whereas 260 million is more to the tune of a few months and even using NS time a nation only 15 years old is unlikely to be well off enough to afford a nuclear program (or one that will achieve nuclear weapons within a decade or less at least), whereas a nation that is 70-100 years old is likely to be able to support a nuclear program that will yield results within a few years, of course if they buy the weapons or recieve them in trade it's a different story...What prevents a nation from starting out as a smallish, completely urbanised high-tech utopia, or as a small, mildly fucked remnant of an ex-superpower (Kinda like what happened in 1989- 1991)? Nations don't necessarily pop into existence. they can have a backstory.

Besides, the basic knowledge regarding the physics or the engineering doesn't have to be developed from scratch, it is out there and comparatively easy to get. The materials are a little harder (The same applies IRL), but in NS, with certain nations having privatised such things (DA, Shiny Metal Inc. Radioactive Substances, Import/Export, to name one example. And yes, this particular corporation has been mentioned ICly in the past), this is hardly a problem.

Also I do know that Nukes are almost always used as a sort of Godmode in RP's as they have never really been used in battle, only as a weapon of mass slaughter of civilians so it comes as no surprise that no nation can RP them well, I myself think that they are a brutal and crude weapon that shouldn't be used in NS.I take a mild bit of offence at that (Yes, I noticed the 'almost'. Still). Personally, I've used them... exclusively in battle, never for mass slaughter, and I do believe that posts like this one (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=6549756&postcount=10) by Eurusea or this one (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9187239&postcount=101) by me are of acceptable quality, rather than on a 'nobody can RP them well' level.

But come on man, just ease off, he was only trying to make an estimate.Fair enough.

Thanks, I was only giving information that was general, but still kinda holds true. You're right about nations having backstories, mine does. That's why Kjata can handle urban combat better then most nations my size. A nuclear program by a nation with a past and has sufficent technological level can make a nuclear weapon pretty fast.

Take another look at Japan. They could probably slap together a nuclear weapon in half a year if they needed. They have all the base materials and technology to do it. If a nation of much smaller size wanted one REALLY badly, yes I think they could get it IRL and NS.

Problem is on NS, you have to either believe they have it or you can mildly forget it or not respond to it. IRL you could get owned by it no matter what you say or do. There is no IGNORE cannon irl! Hehe

The Democratic Imperium of Halberdgardia acknowledges its nuclear/biological/chemical capabilities, but will decline from specifically naming the various components of those capabilities for reasons of national security.

Officialo Statement From Red Tide Goverment
"Our strategic and tactical nuclear capabilities are as follow:

Strategic:
1,000 SS-18 Model-RT ICBMs(20, 250 KT MARVs each)
80 SS-N-20 Model-RT SLBMs(3, 500 KT MARVs each) aboard 4 TYPHOON-RT Class Ballistic Missile Subs(20 missiles each)
Total Strategic Warheads: 20,240 Warheads.

Tactical:
2,000 5 KT, 175mm Nuclear Artillery Shells
70 SS-26 ISKANDER Short Range Ballistic Missiles(single, 20 KT Warhead each)
500 CM-5 Land Attack Cruise Missiles(single, 400 KT Warheads each)
Total: 2,570 Tactical Warheads

The Specs for the weapons are:

SS-18 Model-RT ICBM
This is a modified version of the giant Russian SS-18. It is modified so that it carries the safer solid fuel instead of liquid. It also contains twenty warheads(instead of 10) with GPS Guidance added to make it a valid Counterforce weapon. The last feature of this new modified version is the MARV, The Maneuverable Re-Entry Vehicle. Instead of a MIRV, which descends in a straight diagonal line, the MARV is capable of maneuvering randomly in order to avoid Anti-Ballistic Missile Systems.

SS-N-20 Model RT SLBM
A modified version of the Russian SS-N-20. It carries an equal number of warheads as its predecessor, with GPS Guidance to make them a valid counterforce weapon and MARVs instead of MIRVs.

TYPHOON-RT Class Ballistic Missile Submarine
A modified Russian Typhoons, they run on Caterpillar Drives(OOC:Read Tom Clancy's 'The Hunt For Red October'), carry up-to-date sonar and other equipment, and have a much quieter nuclear reactor.

SS-26 ISKANDER Ballistic Missile
http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/russia/theater/ss-26.htm

CM-5 Land Attack Cruise Missile
A TOMAHAWK Cruise Missile with half the range and double the payload.

Thank You"
End Message

OOC:Now before you complain about there being too many warheads on the SS-18 hear me out, that damn little thing can carry THIRTY warheads. It just sacrifices the kilitonage and accuracy to do so. I sacrificed the Kilitonnage(250 KT instead of 500 KT) but not by as much as adding 30, and I negated the accuracy faliure by adding GPS Chips.

TO: The Republic of National Commonwealth (PFRNC)
From the Office of State General Richards
6789 Rue Champs-De-République
Verum, RNC Federal District 14556
FROM: Ministry of War, Holy Empire of Asgarineu, 6245 Government Way, Safford City, Graham Province, 85546
SUBJECT: RE: Attn: Nuclear Capable States


The Holy Empire of Asgarnieu acknowledges your requests, and believes you are afraid. At any rate, we do not wish to disclose ANY information regarding our WMD Capabilities, as that is TOP SECRET information. However, we will say offically, we are capable of Nuclear, Biological, and Chemical attacks.

Sincerely,
Minister of War Aaron J. Mortensen, Holy Empire of Asgarnieu

TO: The Republic of National Commonwealth (PFRNC)
From the Office of State General Richards
6789 Rue Champs-De-République
Verum, RNC Federal District 14556
FROM: NVSM Command, 1/13 Gabviko, Poldi'sk, Novikov
SUBJECT: Nuclear Capable States

Our nuclear devices, as well as our much more robust chemical and biological weapons, are jealously guarded as devices vital for national survival. However, it is thought among our governmental leaders that knowledge of our full WMD capabilities will serve to further their use as deterrent weapons. Therefore, the Novikovian Government has issued this list of the NVSM’s (Novikovian Strategic Rocket Force) deployed weapons. The NVSM officially controls all WMD stockpiles deployed by the Novikovian State, as well as all conventional missile forces on the continent.

NVSM Strategic Nuclear Arsenal:

40 kT LGM-30 Minuteman III ICBM (32) – Purchased Abroad
70 kT LGM-30 Minuteman III ICBM (28) – Purchased Abroad
110 kT LGM-30 Minuteman III ICBM (12) – Purchased Abroad

110 kT R-9B SS-8 Sasin ICBM (12) – Purchased Abroad
150 kT R-9B SS-8 Sasin ICBM (6) – Purchased Abroad

40 kT G-1a 2-Stage Glushko-1 MRBM (2) – Produced Indigenously
70 kT G-1a 2-Stage Glushko-1 MRBM (1) – Produced Indigenously

40 kT G-1b 3-Stage Glushko-1 MRBM (3) – Produced Indigenously
70 kT G-1b 3-Stage Glushko-1 MRBM (4) – Produced Indigenously
110 kT G-1b 3-Stage Glushko-1 MRBM (9) – Produced Indigenously
150 kT G-1b 3-Stage Glushko-1 MRBM (1) – Produced Indigenously

Total: 110 Strategic Warheads

NVSM Tactical Nuclear Arsenal:

6 kT SCUD C SRBM (11) – Purchased Abroad
14 kT SCUD C SRBM (14) – Purchased Abroad

6 kT SCUD D SRBM (6) – Purchased Abroad

6 kT SCUD E SRBM (4) – Purchased Abroad
26 kT SCUD E SRBM (1) – Produced Indigenously

26 kT G-1a 2-Stage Glushko-1 MRBM (2) – Produced Indigenously

Sub-kT ASMP Air-Launched Cruise Missile (20) – Produced Indigenously
2 kT ASMP Air-Launched Cruise Missile (3) – Produced Indigenously

7 kT ‘Dumb’ Bomb (1) – Produced Indigenously
9 kT ‘Dumb’ Bomb (2) – Produced Indigenously
14 kT ‘Dumb’ Bomb (1) – Produced Indigenously
26 kT ‘Dumb’ Bomb (1) – Produced Indigenously
29 kT ‘Dumb’ Bomb (1) – Produced Indigenously

Total: 67 Tactical Warheads

NVSM Chemical Arsenal:

Nearly 50,000 Various Chemical Warheads armed with Nitrogen & Sulfur Mustard, Phosgene, Diphosgene, Sarin, Soman, Tabun, and VX Gas.

NVSM Biological Arsenal:

Nearly 3,200 Biological Warheads armed with Anthrax, Congo-Crimean Hemorrhagic Fever, Cholera, Tularemia, Ricin, and Trichothecene Mycotoxins.