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SACBF Habbakuk

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Super Aircraft-Carrier and Battle Fortress Habbakuk

Builder: Kjata Unifed Naval Industries, Refrig-R-Us!, Ice-man Corp, Kjata Torpedo Plant, Kjata Military Factory #451, Bombing Run Ballistics Corp.
Power Plant: Four Nuclear Power Plants
Propulsion: 80 Propellers
Length, overall 6,700 feet (2,042.16 meters)
Width: widest point 1200 feet (365.76 meters)
Flight Deck Width: 1000 feet (304.8 meters)
Height: to flight deck 300 feet (91.44 meters)
Height: to top: 550 feet (167.64 meters)
Displacement Approx. 18,412,000,000 Tonnes
Speed: Currently In Questioning/Performing Sea Trials
Aircraft: 1600+
Aircraft elevators: Sixteen (16)
Catapults: Twelve (12)

Crew Ship's Company: 7,600 (Standard to operate)
Air Wing: 38,400 (24 people per plane, maximum personnel limit)
Nuclear engine crew: 300
Total: 46,300 People Maximum
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Assembled from Pykrete blocks the ship is lighter then water! It has cooling compartments that frozen Pykrete is cooled by a massive cooling system. Pykrete does not transfer heat well and will stay constantly cool with little power. Reinforced with layers of armor and piping the Pykrete stays at a constant -20 degree F. Insulators protect heat transfer and reduce stress on cooling.

On the outside of the ship is lightly covered in a radar asborbing layer and is painted grey to blend in to the horizon and lower visual sighting slightly. Then a layer of reinforced steel before the armor.

The ship is comprised of 2 feet of thick Chobham armour, that is used as tank armor. This gives the ship an actual defensive shell that is stronger and thicker then even the mighty Yamato's. The deck holds 4 feet of thick Chobham armor in plates. If damaged the plates can be removed and replaced as needed.

Nuclear Reactors of the ship: They are pressurised water reactors driving eight turbines of 780,000 hp. This provides power for 80 propellers, each functioning at 78,000 hp.

The tower of the ship stands 250 feet tall including the radar dish at the top. The control tower is only 1000 feet long and is still heavily armored with reinforced steel and tungsten, The control tower is completely devoid of Pykrete. The systems are classified, but the ones released were:

Combat Systems:
SPS-48E 3-D air search radar
SPS-49(V)5 2-D air search radar
3 Mk91 Fire Control
AN/SLQ-32(V)4 active jamming/deception
AN/WLR-1H ESM
AEGIS Weapon System

Armament
50 Phalanx CIWS 20mm mounts
20 AN/WSQ-11 Torpedo Defense System Launchers (TDS)
12 Sea Sparrow launchers
5 Point-Defense Lasers (Disrupt targeting lasers)
5 Point-Defense Kill Lasers (Close-range missile destruction, damage to ship likely)

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Update 1: Nuclear Engine Stats found, added. Ship's crew upgraded.

(OOC: FT, but my opinion here is simply fact. Do not put Patroits on a naval vessel

Noob ship builder mistake...
(I'm not kidding...) )

(OOC: Do not put Patroits on a naval vessel

Noob ship builder mistake...
(I'm not kidding...) )

o.O Opps thanks for pointing that out, I wonder how those got in there....hehehe. Fixed.

(OOC: I also find it quite amusing that you copied and pasted Nimitz Class stats here and modified the figures.

Alright, I'll stop here, and let some real ship builders come in here and respond.)

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(OOC: I also find it quite amusing that you copied and pasted Nimitz Class stats here and modified the figures.

Alright, I'll stop here, and let some real ship builders come in here and respond.)

Ya Nimitz class ships I've always had a soft spot for. They perform wonderfully and they are pretty up to date. The Patriot Missile systems WEREN'T supposed to be released, because I was planning to use those for an upcoming Earth X war and I pasted them into the same stats by mistake. Was going to have it transport ground forces inside the hangars instead of planes for a cargo run. Which still would be the largest cargo ship in the world.

As the unfortunate in charge of the shipping chart, this ..abomination has comes to my attention... do you have any idea of the power to weight ratio that would be necessary for your displacement? Not only that but the stress on the structure from travelling at speed, and I mean any speed, weakened by it is by armoured slabs and cooling systems and the necessary equipment voids would cause instant fractures.

Pykrete is good yes, all very well and good for building platforms if you just infact use Pykrete, it doesn’t as such "play well with others". The platform is a possible idea in theory not that they are infract any use in a modern theatre of combat but it can't change the basic laws of power to wait ratios or your displacement. This ships entire concept is down right stupid, silly and I might add daft. One does not move 18.4 million tons with 4 nuclear reactors, high pressure or not. One does not if one has such a platform move it at 40 knots. Any of the NS super dreadnoughts given a few minutes time of bombardment could wreak unholy havoc on this vessel, and so could a vast majority of its battleships.

Don't accept this vessels speed, or its ability to absorb damage. Its power to weight ratio is silly, and the entire concept is strategically unsound.

As the unfortunate in charge of the shipping chart, this ..abomination has comes to my attention... do you have any idea of the power to weight ratio that would be necessary for your displacement? Not only that but the stress on the structure from travelling at speed, and I mean any speed, weakened by it is by armoured slabs and cooling systems and the necessary equipment voids would cause instant fractures.

Pykrete is good yes, all very well and good for building platforms if you just infact use Pykrete, it doesn’t as such "play well with others". The platform is a possible idea in theory not that they are infract any use in a modern theatre of combat but it can't change the basic laws of power to wait ratios or your displacement. This ships entire concept is down right stupid, silly and I might add daft. One does not move 18.4 million tons with 4 nuclear reactors, high pressure or not. One does not if one has such a platform move it at 40 knots. Any of the NS super dreadnoughts given a few minutes time of bombardment could wreak unholy havoc on this vessel, and so could a vast majority of its battleships.

Don't accept this vessels speed, or its ability to absorb damage. Its power to weight ratio is silly, and the entire concept is strategically unsound.


The concept is new. Though chances are it will have a 15 knot maximum speed as I get help and perform my own calculations. Pykrete does indeed not play well with others, but when frozen and contained with steel beams running through the inside and the inside is Pykrete it functions under the basic thing as Styrofoam being controlled by small rods running through holes in the mass with a tight steel box around it. If the Pykrete were to heat and thus expand it would blow the ship apart at the very seams. It would collapse and split into if it was isolated and continued through, thus destroying the entire ship.

The armor plating is thick enough with suitable defenses that this thing would be quite hard to destroy in Earth X. It is the only real presence on the seas at this point. It is infact supposed to be destroyed at one point, sometimes things kinda scream to be challenged. Under any circumstances this will not be traveling alone it will have escorts as all US carriers due that prevent them from being destroyed by an enemy. Face it, Nimitz aren't the best things either, this at least can take one heck of a beating and keep on chugging. Where a Nimitz would be overwhelmed and sunk quickly this will stay as a massive ship and allow its crew to escape by air, for up to possibly weeks after it has been rendered destroyed.

This is the ONLY carrier to be modernized. The budget is too costly, I've learned my lesson and am sticking to the original plans and producing smaller versions with smaller sizes and no outside armor. The way it was intended.

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Thought for the day: Even ships split in half~
Unfortunately, the FDN finds this no competition with it's current supercarriers. We are especially concerned that in heavy waters, with strengthened hulls and bulwarks and bulkheads that the Habbakuk would simply snap in half due to weight and size issues. We are also specifically concerned with the use of US Navy weaponry on the SACBF Habbakuk. Again, we find this is a crucial flaw in any vessel's design. We deem the SACBF Habbakuk an entirely useless and all too large vessel for it's cost and size to house.
We suggest that this project is abandoned and Kjata Major instead finds an actually useful fleet carrier. We doubt the ability of the tiny Kjata Major and it's weakling economy to run a vessel this size, or in fact, create one.
Free Democratic Navy - Department of Design

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Thought for the day: Even ships split in half~
Unfortunately, the FDN finds this no competition with it's current supercarriers. We are especially concerned that in heavy waters, with strengthened hulls and bulwarks and bulkheads that the Habbakuk would simply snap in half due to weight and size issues. We are also specifically concerned with the use of US Navy weaponry on the SACBF Habbakuk. Again, we find this is a crucial flaw in any vessel's design. We deem the SACBF Habbakuk an entirely useless and all too large vessel for it's cost and size to house.
We suggest that this project is abandoned and Kjata Major instead finds an actually useful fleet carrier. We doubt the ability of the tiny Kjata Major and it's weakling economy to run a vessel this size, or in fact, create one.
Free Democratic Navy - Department of Design

Uh..I have Powerhouse Economy, and my budget is $118,104,196,365 on defense with $46,681,500,540 government excess. This ship is completely over projected budget, but is still well within the range for our production. Also maintaince costs on the ship are surprisingly small because it is Pykrete mainly. The air crews are not permanent, before a mission will the needed crew be on the ship. The air wing is surprisingly high, but the thing is you will rarely see 1600 planes held internally with this ship. Having them on the flight deck is just to dangerous. With massive plating on the flight deck they are safer inside the ship.

Let it be known we can take care of this ship, just that the production costs exceeds the Naval budget for new ships by two years, though in maintaince savings and man-power reduction it will save billions later.

With a 150 million population powerhouse means nothing.
Assuming, at best, you have a 50% Naval budget that means you are spending 110 billion dollars on this ship in TWO years. Then you've got construction costs. THEN you've got the costs to upkeep the planes AND make them AND build the dock for this AND then pay the people who need to make the dock AND then pay to keep the obscenely huge dock in good condition. Just because you use pykrete it doesn't mean you wont' have to pay a huge amount to mantain this ship.

With a 150 million population powerhouse means nothing.
Assuming, at best, you have a 50% Naval budget that means you are spending 110 billion dollars on this ship in TWO years. Then you've got construction costs. THEN you've got the costs to upkeep the planes AND make them AND build the dock for this AND then pay the people who need to make the dock AND then pay to keep the obscenely huge dock in good condition. Just because you use pykrete it doesn't mean you wont' have to pay a huge amount to mantain this ship.

Would to please refer to the other thread. For this? It is not $112 Billion in production costs. It's way under that. The planes are not forced to this carrier and as of yet we don't have the number of planes to hold on it.

Second, there is no dock. This ship won't have a dock in the general since. It has the Habomai Island as a construction yard. Crews are flown into the ship and maintaince and performed by the full-time crew that runs the ship. A problem with docking this ship is the sheer size, it has been deemed more economical to keep the ship in constant motion and use other ships and aircraft to deliver supplies and remove waste.

Building a dock to house this would cost upwards of $5,000,000,000 and would damage the surrounding environment too harshly by doing so. This deep dock would be decomissioning the ship. The ship was assembled at the island and the operation for making the island suitable to make it required $800,000,000 in dredging and placing a temporary dock with special construction cranes. The construction yard is also it's 'dock' if it ever needs to return. Since this ship has no harbor it can sail into it has to return to it has to return to the special facility where it was constructed for external maintaince.

Where is this other thread?
That is the stupidest naval comment I have EVER heard on this forum, with exception to hataria putting B2's on a carrier.
The Doujin currently costs 350 billion to produce (ah, that's not for sale though) and my Illustrious CVSN costs 400 billion, which stands at a 2.8 million tonne displacement and 983 metres.
If you think it costs under 112 billion dollars, you seriously need to buff the price for this thing. The entire program for this should cost around 600~ billion. I think you'll find that there's a few (cough) others that will agree with me on this.

Pykrete is made from ice and wood pulp, right? So what happens if you spray the deck of this thing with willie-pete, napalm, or an FAE? Ruins the flight deck, making the ship unusable.

Where is this other thread?
That is the stupidest naval comment I have EVER heard on this forum, with exception to hataria putting B2's on a carrier.
The Doujin currently costs 350 billion to produce (ah, that's not for sale though) and my Illustrious CVSN costs 400 billion, which stands at a 2.8 million tonne displacement and 983 metres.
If you think it costs under 112 billion dollars, you seriously need to buff the price for this thing. The entire program for this should cost around 600~ billion. I think you'll find that there's a few (cough) others that will agree with me on this.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=438109

Pykrete is extremely cheap to make. Everyone can make it in their own home with waste products even.

Get water and sawdust, or wood pulp. A 14% mixture of the sawdust in the mixture and then frozen will make Pykrete. Entire blocks of Pykrete can be made quickly and easily with super cooling, so the inside is frozen just as well as the outside is with the pipes for cooling already pre-cut into it.

Now if you are talking weight to cost ratio, yes for weight if it were to be made of entire steel like any other carrier it would cost a crazy amount. Since this is practically a floating iceberg wrapped in steel and insulators to keep it at a constant temperature to have no thermal expansion, the costs are extremely low.

I direct you to the origanal Project in 1940's which was never completed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Habbakuk

Pykrete is made from ice and wood pulp, right? So what happens if you spray the deck of this thing with willie-pete, napalm, or an FAE? Ruins the flight deck, making the ship unusable.

This has already been covered within. I have given four FEET of composite armor dedicated to this. Under this is insulator. The flight deck is comprised of plates of the armor. It is strong enough to protect against suicide bombers and powerful weapons like MOAB's from dealing otherwise devasting damage to the flight deck.

Damage by a MOAB weapon is expected at point of impact to vaporize the armor plating and dig up to 15 feet into the Pykrete layer below. The damage radius to the ship would be around 150 feet compared to the original 500 foot damage radius. Additional bombs on the exposed Pykrete have not been looked into much.