Denmark's Dilpomatic Branch (E20 if any)
Moorington
17-08-2005, 01:38
This branch is dedicated to Denmark's diplomatic and military summaries included with some economics. At the moment Denmark has been a outlet for anti-communists and for rightists exiting (and entering) communist Germany and France. This competition has moved overseas towards Denmark's colonies.
Moorington
17-08-2005, 01:51
At the moment the statistics for the currencys are this.... (Until Mods say so)
Danish Currency: Danish Krone
9-1 Dollars
4-1 German Mark
8-1 Pound
French Note: 8-1
Chinese Yen: 1-3
Yen (Japenese): 1-1.50
Haitian Dollar: 1-5
Note: Not all European currencies shown.
Note: Recent spending is effecting some European currencies.
GDP: 100 Million Danish Krones
Goverment Bond Median: 2%
Exports:
Fishing, Farming(Faroe Isl., Denmark) Oil, Whaling (Greenland), Steel, Winter Clothing, Infantry Weapons(Denmark)
Moorington
18-08-2005, 16:11
Find Export Projects at:
Exports and their History (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9469207#post9469207)
Find Diplomatic Issues at:
Latest News! (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9695566#post9695566)
Sel Appa
22-09-2005, 20:38
The Republic of Haiti wishes to open relations with Denmark. We have valuable coffee, sugar, and bauxite up for trade. In return, we require silver, copper, cement, lumber, and steel. We also are in need of skilled workers to help train our citizens(teachers, engineers, doctors...).
[NS]Parthini
23-09-2005, 03:49
The Left Hand is interested in purchasing either bases or the entirety of Iceland for use of Union Vessels.
Vas Pokhoronim
23-09-2005, 04:09
Parthini']The Left Hand is interested in purchasing either bases or the entirety of Iceland for use of Union Vessels.
Ooh. Good call.
Lesser Ribena
23-09-2005, 17:15
Is this a secret proposal? ie. would my secret service be able to hear of it?
If so Brtiain will make a counter offer to the Danish, we are willing to offer £100 million, partly funded from a recent sale of land to Italy and partly from the defence budget. This will be either for the territory of Iceland or else exclusive basing rights and a naval exclusion zone.
OOC: for all the good it'll do, I think the Danish player left a while back didn't he? Maybe one for the mods to decide.
Moorington
23-09-2005, 23:53
OOC: Sadly I didn't leave just kinda of left it alone for a while since the events were pretty boring for a stretch.
IC:
I am going to say no to that since I will need those bases for the Scandinavian Trade since I won't have to dock ships at England. So I am not selling Iceland or anything else. As an idea, would the Russian Player consider selling a tiny pieace of their land on one of their nothern islands, even though open fro about 4 months easly and 6 months at a stretch. I am though willing to sell naval bases on maybe on o the outlying islands around Iceland (Techinically still Iceland).
In other news the Virgin Islands I am changing it's economy mainly to tourism (from america) and tobacco. I have to get some Mod permetion to see if I can act lik americans come with or without the american players permetion.
Also with Haiti you should know that you would have better luck with selling water (and cheaper) then selling suger. I would though be willing to have an outstanding alliance for as long as you want it and the sending of 1,000 Teachers, and Scientists to your country and a explicit deal with the exporting of iron or/and fish, and whale oil, meat, and bones for just a tiny little pieace of land in Haiti (Near the water would be nice) for a military base. This base would be there as long as our alliance.
I would also ask Norway to enter these discussian with the hopefully active Scandinavian Trade routes and belgium.
[NS]Parthini
24-09-2005, 02:18
OOC: Uhh, Britain can pick it up.
IC: The Left Hand understands Denmarks point. However, we are wishing to offer a counterproposal. Perhaps, we can trade an area of the northern islands for basing rights in or around Iceland, and perhaps a non-agression treaty?
[NS]Parthini
24-09-2005, 02:39
What Islands do Denmark desire?
Moorington
24-09-2005, 02:40
Cool, what islands specifically? I am inclined to give you pretty much all naval rights for iceland over Britian. I will wait though for any other countries to make an offer too. You will pretty much have all the rights. Excluding The Scandinavian Trade Pact Memebers of course.
Moorington
24-09-2005, 02:45
*Dolgiy-Need
*Sverdrup-Need
**Nordenskold Archipelago-Want
Bolshievik-Need
*Need One
**Not all
Sel Appa
24-09-2005, 03:15
Haiti will accept the base if Denmark aids in training our soldiers, will help us if attack or attacking(justified), and will help during disasters(hurricane prone).
[NS]Parthini
24-09-2005, 03:20
OOC: Umm, I don't know what islands there are. My Russian Geography is a little weak ;)
Vas Pokhoronim
24-09-2005, 06:19
No Union territories will be alienated. The Northern coasts of Finland, Russia, and Siberia are altogether too strategically valuable.
The Danes should by rights be pleased that they are getting an opportunity to make a profit out of Iceland. If they do not wish to negotiate, that is their loss.
Vas Pokhoronim
24-09-2005, 06:23
In other news the Virgin Islands I am changing it's economy mainly to tourism (from america) and tobacco. I have to get some Mod permetion to see if I can act lik americans come with or without the american players permetion.
Also with Haiti you should know that you would have better luck with selling water (and cheaper) then selling suger. I would though be willing to have an outstanding alliance for as long as you want it and the sending of 1,000 Teachers, and Scientists to your country and a explicit deal with the exporting of iron or/and fish, and whale oil, meat, and bones for just a tiny little pieace of land in Haiti (Near the water would be nice) for a military base. This base would be there as long as our alliance.
WTF?!
Galveston Bay
24-09-2005, 07:53
ooc
Ok, I know what he is saying...
He wants American tourists to start coming to the Danish Virgin Islands. Well the 1920s is when cruise ships actually started making runs from New York and Boston to Havana, so I don't see any reason why they couldn't go to the Virgin Islands, as its fairly close to Cuba and Puerto Rico (another popular destination). So I will rule that American tourists actually do start going to the Virgin Islands, since historically thats when things got started.
I assume he is talking about bottled water from Haiti, which seems unlikely, or possibly supplying water from Haiti to some of the drier islands that lack springs in the Caribbean. Not being a coffee drinker, I have to take others word for it, but the impression I have is that Jamacian Blue Mountain coffee is considered the best by the way, and Colombia, Nigeria, and Uganda are the largest exporters of coffee at the present.
Haiti primarily depends on sugar cane exports.
The US made an offer to Denmark via telegram. Should it be accepted, it will then hit the thread.
Moorington
24-09-2005, 22:09
Denmark grants America rights to Iceland for an airport and an seaport on central Iceland. Denmark will still hopefully control Iceland but *no other nations will have those rights and if they somehow do they will never exceed American ones.
Also I consider this offer for America but if she lets her allies use them it is pretty much up to america and that the only ships that couldn't be allowed (even if America does some how) is occupied Germany.
Also since I can't be sending ships to my new base in Alaska quite yet since overseas is -60 by now and I don't know when the road to Alaska was made but I was thinking 1930-1940.
The islands I requested were a couple of islands that are pretty much dead (the penguins and walruses) and are on the north sea of russia ranging from your most eastern seabord to about middle.
With the breakdown in negotiations around the Russian islands makes it very hard for anyone in Denmark to accept the Iceland terms from Occupied Germany. Some reasons include the media pronoucing Red death all over and the public not liking the obviuos brush off to their goverment.
*Think of the rights that America forced apoun (or agreed your choice) with Japan which are still in affect to this day from Commandor Perries voyage.
Galveston Bay
25-09-2005, 19:19
ooc
this is as good a place as any to post this. The Reds have made a move on Denmark, partly in retaliation for Denmarks' providing the Americans and British a base in Iceland, and partly to spread the revolution.
IC
Although not large as a proportion of the population, nevertheless, there was a sizeable number of pro Socialist and actual Socialist people in Denmark, and they were not happy when the government gave the Americans, who they were still mad out for intervening in Venezuela, a base in Iceland in exchange for a chunk of worthless land in Alaska on the other side of the world (ooc their view).
Demonstrations started soon, although the rather chilly winter weather quickly curtailed them. However strikes broke out in the universities after finals were completed, and some of that spread out into general hooliganism in the streets and then rioting. The Danish police were bewildered, and quickly asked for help from the Army, and a series of clashes broke out in Copenhagen between police and army against the drunken students.
Chosing its moment well, the actual communist and socialist party members gathered together and stormed city hall and proclaimed the Socialist Commune of Copenhagen and ask their Socialist brothers to the south to come and save them.
This quickly brings about a reaction from the Army and this time they move in with guns. Shooting quickly breaks out, and the local socialists are routed and many are arrested.
But the damage has been done.
Moorington
25-09-2005, 19:45
So of course the Denmark Government responds with investigating possible "radicals" a while anti-communism sweeps Denmark a whole new wave of murders follow. These are effectively ignored by the police for whatever reason ranging from belief to politics.
While the police lets the public stamp the movement out by itself the elitist Congress passes the "Radicalism Punishment" so now burning any nations flag is outlawed*. Also an amendment gives more usability of "A well regulated militia" with open arms and using of them.
The media trying to out due each other now turn everything from a shooting to a robbery a communism conspiracy forces the Socialist Party in Denmark to answer very hard questions. So like any good political party there is always a massive amount of garbage underneath the surface. So the Socialist party starts to break apart as each man is left alone with the check.
Maxen proposes a bill "Arm Permits" which requires a permit for any kind of weapon. Since of the recent murders it is happily passed with all in favor and like a very sad tale the communism movement in Denmark is severely restricted.
The military steps up on it's MP services and while the army is limited to about 50,000 men it is a very cherised part of Denmark's history, culture, and national image. Even if don't want to use it.
OOC: AKA I did good, please don't post much more unitl next weekend since I really can't get on until then.
Vas Pokhoronim
25-09-2005, 19:56
So of course the Denmark Government responds with investigating possible "radicals" a while anti-communism sweeps Denmark a whole new wave of murders follow. These are effectively ignored by the police for whatever reason ranging from belief to politics.
While the police lets the public stamp the movement out by itself the elitist Congress passes the "Radicalism Punishment" so now burning any nations flag is outlawed*. Also an amendment gives more usability of "A well regulated militia" with open arms and using of them.
The media trying to out due each other now turn everything from a shooting to a robbery a communism conspiracy forces the Socialist Party in Denmark to answer very hard questions. So like any good political party there is always a massive amount of garbage underneath the surface. So the Socialist party starts to break apart as each man is left alone with the check.
Maxen proposes a bill "Arm Permits" which requires a permit for any kind of weapon. Since of the recent murders it is happily passed with all in favor and like a very sad tale the communism movement in Denmark is severely restricted.
The military steps up on it's MP services and while the army is limited to about 50,000 men it is a very cherised part of Denmark's history, culture, and national image. Even if don't want to use it.
OOC: AKA I did good, please don't post much more unitl next weekend since I really can't get on until then.
Actually, we're invading right now, blockading with our fleet, and by next weekend your country will no longer exist.
You should have bargained, Jabba.
Ottoman Khaif
25-09-2005, 20:03
OOC: VP could you please get on MSN if you can. Its important.
Actually, we're invading right now, blockading with our fleet, and by next weekend your country will no longer exist.
You should have bargained, Jabba.
(OOC: well that sucks)
[NS]Parthini
25-09-2005, 21:05
After the rejection of the Left Hand's Generous offer, the Revolutionary High Command became furious. That, coupled with the violent suppression of the Danish Socialists, has offered the Warsaw Pact no other option. Denmark must be liberated.
Thus, Operation Northern Winds began. The Worker's Army would take this operation by themselves, leaving their Russian brethern to the Japanese Problems.
Immediately, from Hamburg, 3 Submarines would enter Copenhagen Harbor and begin sinking all military ships. Following that, the Baltic Navy would blockade Skaggerak from any Danish ships attempting to escape. That night, 3 Experimental Zeppelins would fly at record height and drop 3 companies of Stosstruppen under command of Colonel Student into Copenhagen and sieze the Palace and any gun positions to prepare for the Second Army.
6 Divisions of 300,000 men under command of Colonel Rommel and 200 new Panzer I's under command of Colonel Guderian would be placed in two Corps. They would both push up along the coast liberating the People as they went. The First Corps would secure the peninsula, while the Second would push across and hop the Islands, and arrive in Copenhagen. 50 Carrier Zeppelins would follow and provide Air Superiority.
All Danish Possessions will be handed over to the General Council, and be dealt with from there.
Galveston Bay
26-09-2005, 03:40
the Fall of Denmark is accomplished in two weeks. The first thing to occur is that the German fleet sorties, blocking all of the Danish ports, and three U-Boats sneak into the harbor at Copenhagen. One immediately runs aground and is destroyed by Danish shore batteries, but the other two manage to fire of a spread of torpedoes each, sinking both Danish coast defense battleships and a pair of destroyers as well. Motor boats then counterattack, managing to damage another Uboat and forcing it aground, and its crew (and the survivors of the other) are captured. One Uboat escapes, under the command of Lieutenant Karl Doenitz.
Meanwhile, in the civilian harbor basin, several German passenger ships suddenly erupt in troops as several hundred German Stosstroopers swarm into the harbor area and secure it. Meanwhile, a Zeppelin, supposedly coming in as a commercial flight, diverts and drops a company of paratroopers on the principal harbor defense fort, and that fort is quickly destroyed. The Danish Royal Guard and other local forces counterattack, and fighting wages for nearly two weeks as the Germans bring in more and more troops by ship and Zeppelin.
On the Danish Pennisula, the Germans cross the border with 30 divisions and 300 tanks. One of the lead Stoss regiments is led by Colonel Irwin Rommel, who over the next two weeks will lead the advance and will be the first to reach Alborg at the northern end of the pennisula. Leading the Panzers is Colonel Heinz Guderian, whose leadership will result in most of these temperamental and unreliable weapons actually being well used during the campaign. The Danes are caught by surprise, and often are caught still near their peacetime stations in the first couple of days. Within a week most of the Danish army has been scattered, destroyed or captured, and it simply becomes a march.
Only a few of the forts guarding vital points hold out, and they are eventually neutralized by heavy artillery brought up by rail, including 420 and 350 mm seige guns.
In all 5,000 Germans are killed, another 30,000 are wounded and the entire Danish Army and Navy is killed (20%) or captured (the rest).
The organization and speed shown by the Germans stuns the world.
Amestria
26-09-2005, 04:11
The Albanian ambassador to Denmark, a man living in a free hotel room in Copenhagen, declares the hotel in which he is currently staying the Albanian Embassy. He procedes to offer shelter to anyone seeking to escape the German attack.
The Albanian Government in Tirana declares that any Danish citizen is well-come to take refuge in Albania as long as they pledge nutrality.
France issues an objection to the invasion, but does not even bother to mobilize its troops or put their fleet to sea. Popular opinion among French workers and liberals is that the Russo-Germans were liberating the leftists from oppressors. The RIght is somewhat more concerned.
Galveston Bay
26-09-2005, 06:35
In the US, the invasion and conquest of Denmark merely fuels American views on Germany as a dangerous, expansionist country that have been held for nearly 2 decades. The US government seizes all Danish assets and freezes Danish government accounts in the US to prevent their use by Germany and transfers them to the Icelandic government. The only exception is Danish merchant shipping and those ships and their crews are offered asylum in the US should they desire it.
ooc
few would take it, they would go home where the families are most likely, although some are from Iceland no doubt and they probably head there.
Chaim Weizmann is appaled by the Left hand's actions, he asked (seemingly to himself) "How much blood must be shed in the name of Communism?" So far there has been no response from the Zionistic Communist party but the Rightists have spoken out in outrage.
Vas Pokhoronim
26-09-2005, 17:02
So of course the Denmark Government responds with investigating possible "radicals" a while anti-communism sweeps Denmark a whole new wave of murders follow. These are effectively ignored by the police for whatever reason ranging from belief to politics.
While the police lets the public stamp the movement out by itself the elitist Congress passes the "Radicalism Punishment" so now burning any nations flag is outlawed*. Also an amendment gives more usability of "A well regulated militia" with open arms and using of them.
The media trying to out due each other now turn everything from a shooting to a robbery a communism conspiracy forces the Socialist Party in Denmark to answer very hard questions. So like any good political party there is always a massive amount of garbage underneath the surface. So the Socialist party starts to break apart as each man is left alone with the check.
Maxen proposes a bill "Arm Permits" which requires a permit for any kind of weapon. Since of the recent murders it is happily passed with all in favor and like a very sad tale the communism movement in Denmark is severely restricted.
The military steps up on it's MP services and while the army is limited to about 50,000 men it is a very cherised part of Denmark's history, culture, and national image. Even if don't want to use it.
OOC: AKA I did good, please don't post much more unitl next weekend since I really can't get on until then.
Ahem. Justice was on Our side.
Amestria
26-09-2005, 22:32
OOC: What does Germany plan to do with Denmark? I do not believe Germany will be able to easly merge Denmark into it's own superstate. There is sure to be resistence groups and attempts to flee the country. There will be demands for elections and self-determination (Denmark fought two wars with Germany during the last century). The economy will collapse (war, shortages, a ceasing of trade) and that will have to be delt with...
Just my two cents...
Of the council of clan
26-09-2005, 23:15
Japan laments and CONDEMNS the agression that the Germans have shown the Danes and calls on the other monarchies and Democracies of the world to stand up to senseless agression. Japan feels that what happened was a Dramatic Overreaction on the Communist part and just goes to show that Communism by its very definition is dangerous and expansionistic threatening the soveirgnty of the other nations of the world. Japan will not fall in line behind nor hide from this agression. Communism will not be and let be it will further try to poison the minds of the rest of the world to bring more and more power unto itself.
Prince Hirihito
Crown Prince of Japan
The Union of South Africa is most troubled, and indeed appalled, by the recent actions of the Communist government of Germany. The sole purpose of this war was to steal through force of arms what was not granted them through diplomacy.
The UoSA formally expresses its heartfelt sympathy to the Danish people, and makes it known that they and their nation are in our thoughts and prayers.
Any Danish refugees who manage to flee the Communist invaders will not be turned away from South Africa.
Jan Smuts
Prime Minister
OOC: Unfortunately, a condemnation from South Africa means little unless it's an echo of Britain's stance.
Bolivia is troubled that this event has happened and and enocuroges any Danes who do not wish to stay in Denmark may come as immigrants to Bolivia.
President Mallea of Bolivia
Vas Pokhoronim
27-09-2005, 03:02
If the nations of the Earth are "apalled" that our German Comrades have taken decisive action to end a ruthless and bloody campaign of murder, rapine, torture, expropriation, and tyranny - taken action, moreover, at the request of the citizens of the Danish government, citizens whose lives and safety their government was obligated to protect - if the Capitalist nations of the Earth are apalled by this, then we say that simply demonstrates where the priorities of Capitalism lie.
Let the Nations tremble, then, at the footfalls of the coming giant. For justice will not bow before tyrants.
Let the Empire of Japan and the White Colony of South Africa be "apalled" at the liberation of the Danish people from the terror to which their government subjected them. And let them know that the headsman will one day come for all oppressors. We care not for the sensibilities of tyrants.
-Karl Radek, President of the General Consutative Council
Galveston Bay
27-09-2005, 03:14
OOC: What does Germany plan to do with Denmark? I do not believe Germany will be able to easly merge Denmark into it's own superstate. There is sure to be resistence groups and attempts to flee the country. There will be demands for elections and self-determination (Denmark fought two wars with Germany during the last century). The economy will collapse (war, shortages, a ceasing of trade) and that will have to be delt with...
Just my two cents...
ooc
the conquest of Denmark in the Second World War took exactly 12 hours and the Danes conducted no significant armed resistance to Germany during the war. They did smuggle out all of their Jews, and did carry out serious efforts at sabatoge, and reprisals were severe by Germany. I can see something like that here, but not immediately. At this point they are probably still in shock.
IC
The US government is curious when the German occupation government plans to allow the Danes to have an election, and whether international observers will be permitted to inspect those proceedings. A note to that effect is sent to the German occupation commander by the US embassy in Copenhagen.
In addition, the US government through the International Red Cross is pressuring the Germans to release Danish POWs as soon as possible and to allow inspections by the Swiss and Swedish Red Cross to verify treatment.
[NS]Parthini
27-09-2005, 03:15
OOC: *Yawn*
Japan, you are in no position to talk about senseless agression. I haven't broken any alliances with my neighbors for absolutely no reason. Plus, we we're rescuing the Communists. It's not like I'm just invading a country *cough* America *cough* because they like someone else.
Besides, Eurasia is MY HOUSE! The Western Hemisphere is America's. We know this.
Plus, my bloodthirst is down for a few years. The Balkans should be happy :)
And the Danes should have a pretty easy introduction into the Warsaw Pact. If the Poles, Germans, and Russians can get along, the Danes can join them, too.
Of the council of clan
27-09-2005, 03:18
If the nations of the Earth are "apalled" that our German Comrades have taken decisive action to end a ruthless and bloody campaign of murder, rapine, torture, expropriation, and tyranny - taken action, moreover, at the request of the citizens of the Danish government, citizens whose lives and safety their government was obligated to protect - if the Capitalist nations of the Earth are apalled by this, then we say that simply demonstrates where the priorities of Capitalism lie.
Let the Nations tremble, then, at the footfalls of the coming giant. For justice will not bow before tyrants.
Let the Empire of Japan and the White Colony of South Africa be "apalled" at the liberation of the Danish people from the terror to which their government subjected them. And let them know that the headsman will one day come for all oppressors. We care not for the sensibilities of tyrants.
-Karl Radek, President of the General Consutative Council
And what is armed invasion to change a government that has been in place for centuries, Terror? Justice? If Denmark is merged into Germany it would be one opression by one group replaced by another. You preach about democracy but when it comes down to it, instead of trying to pressure or work with the government of Denmark to change their policys you launched a large and unprovoked invasion of a tiny neighbor. Denmark never raised arms against you nor threatened your security. What kind of democracy, which you claim to be, is a democracy only through the power of its army and responds with massive force the least slight? What kind of world will that bring? The Tsars and Kaisers may have been replaced but Russia and Germany still respond and react the same way, overeaction, militirism, Impearlism and Opression. Japan is an Imperial power but we don't hide our actions behind supposed Freedom and Democracy when in fact none exist.
Prince Hirihito
Crown Prince of Japan
[NS]Parthini
27-09-2005, 03:18
IC: Germany has plans to allow elections to take place very soon. The German government also has plans to back the Socialist Party.
Also, POWs and any Danes who wish to relocate to either Greenland, Denmark or the Virgin Islands will be allowed within the year. While we can only promise words, the German people feel a year is a quick enough time, compared to the slavery the Venezuelans feel under Colombian rule.
Announcment From Chaim Weizmann to all Jew's fleeing Denmark
My Fellow Jewish brothers, there is a place we can call sanctuary, it is new Zion just North of Rio Gallegos, we are open to all immigrants, you will more than likely be placed in duel Citizenship within Argentina.
(OOC: Mod dudes, about how many people do you reckon i could pull over?)
Abbassia
27-09-2005, 13:59
Romanian Officials when asked about the danish situation they commented tht if the human rights abuses were true then Germany was right in ending the wave of horror which shattered the once peaceful peninsula. But after theose responsible are put to trial -in a neutral place like Geneva- and fair elections are held there is no reason why german troops should remain, unless the danes want them to at least.
Lesser Ribena
27-09-2005, 14:20
OOC: Britain's reaction and a proposal for a treaty declaring military intervention in case of a foreign attack on neutral states can be found here. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9708420)
Vas Pokhoronim
27-09-2005, 16:25
Vilhelm Buhl, Prime Minister of the Danish Provisional Government, issues the following rebuttal to Churchill's speech before his own House of Commons, the Folketing:
"Today I have heard that the British Prime Minister has vowed to defend other states against 'German aggression.'
"I wonder, though, we did he not raise his voice in our defense before the Germans came?
"Why is it that no-one has asked the Danes how we felt during the old regime's Reign of Terror? Why have none of these self-proclaimed 'Defenders of Freedom' shown the slightest concern for the murders, the beatings, the molestations, the rapes, the late-night kicking in our doors, the ruffians vandalizing our homes and shops, the police openly mocking our pleas for justice – why have the Western Powers ignored that? It was not just Communists who suffered these things, not just socialists, not just liberals, but Danes from every walk of life, of every political stripe. No voice was raised in the House of Commons protesting the Government's crimes, far worse than those of our occupiers by any reasonable measure. We are a free people, and we love our freedom. We do not want the Germans here forever. We have no wish to subjugate ourselves to Godless bureaucrats in Warsaw or Moscow. Yet that is not how would describe our Russian and German comrades, who showed concern for our humanity and our safety when the Allies ignored us. As for dictatorships, Mr. Churchill was not elected the leader of his country. Comrade Bukharin was. And Herr Liebknecht as well, though he came to power first through a war against injustice. More than I can say for Mr. Churchill’s career as a soldier for White European power in distant Africa.
"But let us return to the question: why have the Allies not asked us how we feel?
"Could it be that their hatred of Berlin is greater than their concern for anyone's humanity or national sovereignty? I think the answer is quite clear. And there is no doubt in my mind whatsoever that the Danish Provisional Government made the right decision in affiliating itself with the Council of Warsaw rather than the war-mongering colonial powers of London.
"I am not a Communist, but a social philosophy that has as its aim the defense of the oppressed cannot be condemned so lightly (1), at least not without showing the true character of its judge.
"Mr. Churchill, you have no concern for the people of Denmark. No concern for the people of Burgundy, or Belgium, or Holland, or even England. They are colors on a map to you, and that is all.
"Mr. Churchill, I am not a color on a map. I am not a simple mouthpiece for Karl Radek in Warsaw. I am a living, breathing, actual Dane, whom you have shown no concern for.
"I sincerely hope, Mr. Churchill, that at the next elections the British people are wise enough to see you for the fraud you are, and toss you out on your ear.
"Good day, sir."
<The Folketing gives Buhl a standing ovation for this speech>
1 This is a quote, or rather a close misquote, of Marx himself.
OoC: Seriously, the Danish king and his handpicked "legislature" (the Landesting) would not have been popular with the historical Danes, who after all maintained the Social Democrats in power for nearly eighty years during the twentieth century - even under the Nazi Occupation, at least briefly. If not for Moorington’s constant and blatant god-modding, there would have probably been a coup d’etat in Denmark several years ago. Whether the liberal Danes will truly get along with Germany and Russia for an extensive period of time is questionable (as a Mod I suspect they lean more to the French . . .), but I do think that Buhl’s speech is probably a fair representation of the resentment a lot of Danes have to the Allies right now - “Where the hell were you when we needed you against our own government?” I think Danes are suspicious of the Germans, who have a bad reputation, but are willing to wait and see what will happen.
PM Blum, preparing for a trip to America in the next few months, puts forward the suggestion that the French observe the elections.
[NS]Parthini
28-09-2005, 01:19
The Worker's Republic, as a sign of good will, proposes a branch of the Worker's Railroad to extend into Denmark to provide prosperity and rapid growth to the liberated Danes.
The Republic also makes plans to hold elections next March, and welcomes the French to oversee elections. Also, the Worker's agree with the decision to try the oppressors in Geneva.
Lastly, plans for the fate of Denmark will be held after the elections and be decided bby Danish representatives.
Moorington
01-10-2005, 13:58
Well, my goverment moves to Iceland (A Commonwealth Member). Also I think my little invasion o the Dominican Rep is over so I have a little nice pieace over there. Most of my 50,000 army is now resistance fighters with only 10,000 spread out over the world. So in Denmark you can expect a urban vietnam. Most Danes will not like the occupation so it is safe to say that you have 1,000 causaulties a month! The invasion was slightly hampered since of lack of coordnation and the liabilty that your platoon commanders are not paid enough by your goverment..... So a lot of my men have all of their weapons. So I lose Denmark but gain the Dominican Rep. and a little bit of Alaska....cough..cough Lesser Ribnea (Update)
Also The Commonwealth of Denmark breaks off and forms its own goverment, which is still housed in Iceland. Also if any elections happen then I have two nominees....
John Adams-
A capitalist in all senses but has a strong moral backround.
Otto Von Bruan-
A former general and parliment seat holder (condemned the Prime Minister's actions.)
So I hope that I get my goverment back....
OOC: I really don't see why any Danes would dislike him? Since he really only tried to make up the failures of the Police Branch and the Parliment did the rest....
50,000 army is now resistance fighters with only 10,000 spread out over the world. So in Denmark you can expect a urban vietnam. Most Danes will not like the occupation so it is safe to say that you have 1,000 causaulties a month! The invasion was slightly hampered since of lack of coordnation and the liabilty that your platoon commanders are not paid enough by your goverment..... So a lot of my men have all of their weapons.
What the hell are you smoking... because I want some of that.
Your army surrendered after two weeks of fighting. That means they threw down their weapons and marched into POW camps for the duration. They ddon't have military weapons anymore. Most of them are either probably helping keep order nin Denmark or civilians.
Moorington
01-10-2005, 14:31
Your army surrendered after two weeks of fighting. That means they threw down their weapons and marched into POW camps for the duration. They ddon't have military weapons anymore. Most of them are either probably helping keep order nin Denmark or civilians.
So your saying that I cna't issue any orders to my military pre-invasion? If so then we should start our own "the best kind of stuff to get high on" together.
It's done though. The invasion happened last week. The War Mods have already ruled on it. You can't just say "Oh, well I issued these orders before the invasion" after the invasion is over.
Moorington
01-10-2005, 14:59
Okay cool if the Mods say so.... Anyhow I will make The Commonwealth of Denmark a new goverment and it will reside in Iceland. Even thoguh it has only 10,000 troops at its' disposal I hope the POWs can be released. So if anyone has any issues with these territories....
Iceland
Faroe Islands
Greenland
Domincan Rep.
Virgin Islands
Alaskian Base
Denmark (Obviuosly contested)
The Prime Minister is ousted and another one put in his place until elections.
I believe Iceland is now a independent nation, with American military bases. The Virgin Isalnds are either independent or got snapped up by someone else...Everything I else I think was left alone. You'll have to ask GB and Vas though.
Moorington
01-10-2005, 15:28
Yeah I looked and US snapped up my virgin islands but not the dominican rep. With Iceland now pretty much under US control and Denmark under another power I guess all I can say is my resignation....
Amestria
01-10-2005, 22:08
OOC: America threw your request for Alaska in the trash after the invasion.
Vas Pokhoronim
01-10-2005, 22:49
Moorington already resigned. Elections will be held shortly, probably Monday, monitored by the French, Swiss, and Swedish, most likely. The Mods will decide which parties form the first Government for the Danish Republic.
Moorington
02-10-2005, 16:13
Yeah I resigned for denmark but I do still want to be part of this thread so maybe Canada or Egypt....
Moorington
02-10-2005, 16:17
OOC: America threw your request for Alaska in the trash after the invasion.
No actually the exchange for Iceland bases for Alaska was already acouple of months old....
Hrstrovokia
03-10-2005, 16:29
In January 1924, Workers' Army troops begin withdrawing and Danish elections are held.
Political Parties
Left (Venstre): Classical Liberals
Conservative People's Party (Det Konservative Folkeparti): Tories, in a word
Social Democrats (Socialdemokratiet): Slightly to the Left of pre-Blair British Labour, denounced as "Communists" and violently abused during the Repression; led by Vilhelm Buhl, who recused himself from standing for election
Left Socialist Party: Split from the Social Democrats in 1919, pro-Russian and pro-German, this was the Party that attempted the Uprising that brought about the Repression that precipitated the German intervention
The Radical Left (Det Radikale Venstre): Like pre-Clintonian American Democrats, not quite as Left-wing as pre-Blair British Labour
Pre-Invasion Representation by Proportion
(Party, Percentage in Landesting, Percentage in Folketing)
Left - 30, 20
Conservative - 40, 15
Social Democrat - 15, 25
Left Socialist - 0, 10
Radical Left - 15, 30
In the Elections
Left - performs very poorly, due to inconsistent campaigning and lack of coherent message, as well as the clinging taint of the Old Regime
Conservative - performs decently, as a backlash against German expansionism
Social Democrat - performs quite well, becomes dominant Party due to a popularity in excess of pre-Invasion representation and the widespread dislike of the Old Regime
Left Socialist - under-performs, due to unseemly radicalism, but picks up seats nevertheless due to lack of repression and German financial and campaigning support; forms Coalition with Social Democrats
Radical Left - under-performs, due to inconsistent campaigning and lack of coherent message; forms Coalition with Social Democrats
Thorvald Stauning becomes the first elected Social Democratic Prime Minister of Denmark
Post-Invasion Representation by Proportion
(Party, Percentage in Landesting, Percentage in Folketing)
Left - 18, 15
Conservative - 26, 25
Social Democrat - 28, 30
Left Socialist - 8, 10
Radical Left - 20, 20
Galveston Bay
03-10-2005, 17:53
President Cox sends Thorvald Stauning a congratulatory telegram
Hrstrovokia
03-10-2005, 18:07
Prime Minister Stauning will certainly reply warmly to President Cox, and tenders his best wishes for Cox's re-election in November.
Lesser Ribena
03-10-2005, 19:53
Prime Minister Churchill likewise sends his congratulations to Prime Minister Stauning and hopes for a cooperative future between the nations of Britain and Denmark.
Gintonpar
03-10-2005, 20:05
As does President Lafuentes.
It has been a while since the German first invaded my peoples homeland. The first days were like living through hell. Guns firing in the streets. This wasn't the nightly news this war took place right outside my door. But who knows maybe this may be a blessing in desguise.
i admit the government that we had before was not exactly ideal. Actually it was far from it. I do feel however that Germany acted a bit rashly going to war so quickly but considering there is nothing i can do about i will just suck it up.
I thank Gemany for letting me be democratic and elections have made President Johnaton the man in power.
I plan to embrace the socialist party. i find Denmark needed dose of something new considering how many capitalist there are around me. Socialism seems a bit more moral and not as extreme as communism.
I plan to remain neutral in this war and concentrate on economic stability and getting back to normal or better.
I also will expect my assests that were frozen by the U.S to be back under my control. And the many Danish refuges around the world that have been looking for a safe haven away the Germans i want you to know that you can safely come back home. Bolivia is troubled that this event has happened and and enocuroges any Danes who do not wish to stay in Denmark may come as immigrants to Bolivia. There is nothing left to fear.http://assets.jolt.co.uk/forums/images/smilies/fluffle.gif
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