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It was recently announce in Kjata that a ship was being built that would weigh one million tonnes. This super heavy ship defies all conventional thought and puzzles the reporters.

The massive ship, called the "Armada" is expected to be constructed in a mere eight months and be capable of holding up to 1,000 planes on it. The government goes further to say that it is an unsinkable ship. Claiming that most bullets only protrude 6 inches into the material and are then healed over and pose no threat to the massive ship. Which is expected to have nearly 300 ft wide walls of armor.

In testing even high explosives barely dented the material by 2 feet. The ship is self-healing and is immune to Napalm fire bombing. Nuclear devices are also ineffective against the sheer power of the first unsinkable ship in history and most powerful ship to ever be created.

Total costs for this project are projected into the $10 billion mark range. Claiming that it will be the 'coolest' thing to hit the seas in ages.

Though this is all the information that has been released to the international community it appears that the minister of naval affairs is willing to hear questions and comments from outside nations.

I assume you are future tech but if you are not how did you get the materials and if you are future tech whats the point its confined one one planet

Love the price tag, can i get me fourty of them?

I assume you are future tech but if you are not how did you get the materials and if you are future tech whats the point its confined one one planet


The Minister stepped up and answered the first question:

"Ah yes, this future-tech thing. No, I can safely assure you that Kjata Major is not Future-tech is confined to the Earth X time of 2020 technology."

"The materials come from some of the most abundant materials in the world. After a recent spy had noticed that one of the islands to the north was missing, we knew we would have to make a press release. The entire island has been covered in a looka-like sea canopy to keep prying eyes, and satellites out of the work area."

"The point of confining this to one planet is most assured for balance issues. Many of the other people on Nationstates would react violently with the mere comments that their tanks, missiles and best weapons would be absolutely useless to permanently damage or let alone ever sink it. The fact is simple, though it has a large weight it still is under the weight of water. This means it will float, no matter what you do to it. Ever put a plastic toy boat under the water with your hand forcing it down. Doesn't it usually pop right back up even if water has completely covered it and their is no air left to replace with water? The ship functions on a similar method. By keeping heavy materials out that would allow it to sink we have replaced them with something that will float and yet is strong enough to take constant barrages with little damage."

"Now before I release the information on what it is by accident, I think I have answered your question."
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OOC: :)

Unless you're FT (something I doubt), then I wonder how the heck you can document self-healing materials, how the ship can have 300 feet (almost 100 meters) thick walls, and how it can be resistant to nuclear weapons, all that to a price of only 10 billion USD! In comparison, a US Nimitz class aircraft carrier costs 6 Billion!

Untill you can give me a satisfying answer, I brand this the official seal of GODMOD!

Love the price tag, can i get me fourty of them?

You are not in Earth X, you are not capable of owning one of these. Maintaince is very low on such a ship, but still we are not selling to anyone. Also there is no dock in the world that could house this massive ship. We converted an entire island to a production site. To build one of these ships is a dramatic statement to the world, their immunity is invaluable to Kjata Major.

How does one spell "Godmode"?

[It's godmode :) if this was FT, it wouldn't be. It would be useless. But in MT.... Sounds like an MT version of my Galaxy Dreadnought.]

Sorry, Godmod, no way. get realistic.

there is no way a MT ship can be invincible, which makes it a godmod. And especially 300 ft of armor, do you know how thick 300 ft is.

in order to build this ship you need all the iron and such from the beginning of time and in order to have healing armor you need organic armor but that is also FT.

Well... Self healing materials currently can only be plastics, the technologies haven't progressed to metals yet. But 300 feet of armor?

I hope this is FT. And if it is, it'll be kinda useless.

A Anti Matter warhead would sink that s hip.

[Healing armour would have to be organic. Organic materials are useless. They would be vulnerable to radiation, blood loss and suffocation. Not to mention being soft and squishy.]

This is very unrealistic, I have to agree. The price-tag is too low, 100m of armour plus the interior, this ship would be how wide? So it can't fit into many areas, mainly confined to the sea. How deep would this ship sit in the water also?

This seems a bit like you opened the screen and after finding out your FPS wondered what would happen if you typed in godmodeon.

Self healing materials don't have to be organic, they could be plastics with microbeads of polymers and catalysts that react to fill in cracks and breaks, but that wouldn't be a load bearing material.

You of course know what will happen the first time it's actually used in combat, right?

20 megaton warhead > "Invincible" ship...

Self healing materials don't have to be organic, they could be plastics with microbeads of polymers and catalysts that react to fill in cracks and breaks, but that wouldn't be a load bearing material.

OOC:
Correct, self healing plastics are expected to be created around 2008 with current projections, but I doubt the technology will be mainstream for at least 2015. That's considering everything is going smoothly.

Now....that's alot of Godmod calls, all with some reason behind them in the way of thinking.

It appears as if I have even stumped my ally on such a thing.

Now if anyone has gone and looked into previous posts on this subject you can see a progression of information.

Now, originally a report of large refrigeration equipment being delivered to a northern Naval base. Also large pipes. Now with current size projections it is apparent that several things exist about the material.

It has to be either extremely soft, or capable of asborbing the material. The technology exists from an old project of the 1940's. That will all the information I will give out till tomorrow on that.

Now as for the depth, it is going to be 300 ft tall and around 900 feet deep. This depth prevents it from being housed in any dock. So it has to be completely created in a special deep water dock.

"It has a crush resistance of greater than 3,000 pounds per square inch (21 MPa) so a one-inch (25 mm) column could support the weight of a typical car. If a .303 caliber bullet is fired at the material, it will penetrate only 6.5 inches (16.5 cm)."

This project is simply codenamed "Project Habbakuk".

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If you don't get it by now....I will shoot you. j/k :)

[Healing armour would have to be organic. Organic materials are useless. They would be vulnerable to radiation, blood loss and suffocation. Not to mention being soft and squishy.]


FT Healing Armor could be accomplished with nano technology which isn't
vulnerable to radiation.

\o/

I remember reading about that in some "secret weapons of WWII" book when I was a kid!

I change my mind, you're absolutely correct on this thing :D

[Nanotechnology, meet mr nuke. He's very hot, and gives off a lovely EMP.]

Amusingly, I don't think there's a single bit of nano in that thing... ;)

Beep.

[Nanotechnology, meet mr nuke. He's very hot, and gives off a lovely EMP.]

For the resistance of nuclear weapons, the simple thing is that it won't be destroyed due to its hard and thick walls. I have already prepared a small shield for blocking gamma rays, x-rays and other destructive radioactive projects. Be it that the outside of the ship will be contaminated with a small amount of radiation, it could simply be stripped away and replaced.

Oh! I almost completely forgot, the ship will appear blue and will blend into the horizon. So it is visually stealthed and because of the thick walls and sheer size and materials used in construction radar waves are first distorted and then asborbed. Giving a cheap 'stealth' quality to the slow moving ship.

The top of the ship is also impervious to any particle cannon or ion cannon attacks with the exception of some parts of the ship.

IC:

"Think of attacking a floating island! How does one destroy an island that is stronger then solid rock? That is strong against heat, and is self-healing! Hahaha!" - General Muramasa.

how the hell is it only 10 billion USD....that is impossible.

your ship is useless,the ship is so big that it cannot dock anywhere but your nation,to you must spend money to increase the size of youre dock which is alot of money.



also it cannot operate in a battle group the suction generated from the proplers would cause ships to hit the armada inadevertinly.(just like the olympic,titanics sister ship,which was so big it caused a destroyer to hit the olympic)


and for a ship this size you would need a extreamly large crew...but by rules you can only have 5% (i believe) of your nation in the army.and to pay all these crew members and the cost of running the ship would be astronomical.

[QUOTE=Kjata Major]For the resistance of nuclear weapons, the simple thing is that it won't be destroyed due to its hard and thick walls. I have already prepared a small shield for blocking gamma rays, x-rays and other destructive radioactive projects. Be it that the outside of the ship will be contaminated with a small amount of radiation, it could simply be stripped away and replaced.

Oh! I almost completely forgot, the ship will appear blue and will blend into the horizon. So it is visually stealthed and because of the thick walls and sheer size and materials used in construction radar waves are first distorted and then asborbed. Giving a cheap 'stealth' quality to the slow moving ship.

The top of the ship is also impervious to any particle cannon or ion cannon attacks with the exception of some parts of the ship.
QUOTE]

you forgot the 450 fighter jets that come standard, oh and the fact the pilots are all aces with ten or more kills in Dogfights.

your ship is useless,the ship is so big that it cannot dock anywhere but your nation,to you must spend money to increase the size of youre dock which is alot of money.



also it cannot operate in a battle group the suction generated from the proplers would cause ships to hit the armada inadevertinly.(just like the olympic,titanics sister ship,which was so big it caused a destroyer to hit the olympic)


and for a ship this size you would need a extreamly large crew...but by rules you can only have 5% (i believe) of your nation in the army.and to pay all these crew members and the cost of running the ship would be astronomical.

One I have devoted an ISLAND to this covert building, and no it cannot dock, it doesn't need to dock, it's a massive aircraft carrier, that can be send supplies.

The ship WAS gonna function alone, but I guess I could have a few battleships to go with it. Oh yes, I will keep my ships far away.

The crew...hah! I barely need anyone to maintain a ship. A crew of 1500 could do this job so well. In fact based on technology and systems it can be basically kept working with under 100 people.

how the hell is it only 10 billion USD....that is impossible.


can you also explain this please?

OOC:
Correct, self healing plastics are expected to be created around 2008 with current projections, but I doubt the technology will be mainstream for at least 2015. That's considering everything is going smoothly.

Now....that's alot of Godmod calls, all with some reason behind them in the way of thinking.

It appears as if I have even stumped my ally on such a thing.

Now if anyone has gone and looked into previous posts on this subject you can see a progression of information.

Now, originally a report of large refrigeration equipment being delivered to a northern Naval base. Also large pipes. Now with current size projections it is apparent that several things exist about the material.

It has to be either extremely soft, or capable of asborbing the material. The technology exists from an old project of the 1940's. That will all the information I will give out till tomorrow on that.

Now as for the depth, it is going to be 300 ft tall and around 900 feet deep. This depth prevents it from being housed in any dock. So it has to be completely created in a special deep water dock.

"It has a crush resistance of greater than 3,000 pounds per square inch (21 MPa) so a one-inch (25 mm) column could support the weight of a typical car. If a .303 caliber bullet is fired at the material, it will penetrate only 6.5 inches (16.5 cm)."

This project is simply codenamed "Project Habbakuk".

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If you don't get it by now....I will shoot you. j/k :)

You built it out of Pykrete!! Hmmm, Maybe I'll rethink it since I've considered doing the same.

OOC: you don't ICly know this. So you cannot use it.

What type is the propulsion on this ship?
How fast can it go, and how long will it take to reach this speed?
How long does it need to come to a complete halt?
Where will it operate?

I guess it will be very slow, will never reach it estimated top speed, will take forever to come to new heading, oh, and it definately won't stop in time.

It has a draught of 900ft (300m) means, it can't operate in following waters:
Baltic Sea (150ft, 52m average depth)
North Sea (300ft, 94m average depth)
Those were the ones I found to be too shallow to even enter, there may be a few more.
Some may be deep enough, but still, you would have to stay very very far away from the shores, so your planes couldn't attack the land, as they would be out of fuel, before they reach there shore.
In what oceans does your fleet operate?
You know, it's to big for both the Suez and Panama Canals, so have fun navigating around Cape of Good Hope and Cape Horn.

Last Thing: Radar absorbing materials don't make you invisible to radar, they just make you seem smaller.
So a modern destroyer will look like a trawler, this ship will look like the freaking Yamato (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_battleship_Yamato)!

So, an advice to all of Kjata's enemys, ignore it, it can't reach you. Either your shores are too shallow or you're long gone before it arrives.

I'm sorry, but Pykrete is easy to make. And such ideas were proposed long ago, anyone with the internet could find out.

What type is the propulsion on this ship?
How fast can it go, and how long will it take to reach this speed?
How long does it need to come to a complete halt?
Where will it operate?

I guess it will be very slow, will never reach it estimated top speed, will take forever to come to new heading, oh, and it definately won't stop in time.

It has a draught of 900ft (300m) means, it can't operate in following waters:
Baltic Sea (150ft, 52m average depth)
North Sea (300ft, 94m average depth)
Those were the ones I found to be too shallow to even enter, there may be a few more.
Some may be deep enough, but still, you would have to stay very very far away from the shores, so your planes couldn't attack the land, as they would be out of fuel, before they reach there shore.
In what oceans does your fleet operate?
You know, it's to big for both the Suez and Panama Canals, so have fun navigating around Cape of Good Hope and Cape Horn.

Last Thing: Radar absorbing materials don't make you invisible to radar, they just make you seem smaller.
So a modern destroyer will look like a trawler, this ship will look like the freaking Yamato (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_battleship_Yamato)!

So, an advice to all of Kjata's enemys, ignore it, it can't reach you. Either your shores are too shallow or you're long gone before it arrives.


Wow a very practical response to such a ship. Though since my ally has to know of it and it is practically a new day I guess I'll give more info.
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Propulsion is not to be commented on, though it will be a powerful engine that will have multiple engines.

It can travel around 20 mph and more if the ship is going with the current.

This ship will takes up to three to four miles to come to a complete stop, without an anchor in deep water. In shallower waters (still up to 1200 feet deep) it can drop anchor and stop in 2.5 miles.

This ship will operate mainly in the Pacific Ocean and Indian Ocean areas.

The planes that can be stored on it are capable of mid-air refueling by planes also launched from this ship and have a varying range. Models of aircraft, specifically fighters can have a range of nearly 3000 km. This means that the range is still amazingly high. If a model like the Su-35 was operating at maximum it could be as high as 6500 km range. Bombers like the B-52 can support ranges of over 8000 miles and this alone will prevent the so called limits of the ship to be outweighed by the aircraft.

With the production of several of these ships, and a smaller flatter platform for the Atlantic, our aircraft will have a super highway to strike from anywhere and at any time in the world by hopping across these carriers. Capable of delivering planes rapidly to any hot bed of activity within hours. Thus eliminating the slow response time of the aircraft of old, without having bases in foreign countries.

so this is a freakin giant MOB (miblie offshore base (http://www.strategypage.com/messageboards/messages/9-401.asp) note this is a link if you need any more infromation look it up yourself

so this is a freakin giant MOB (miblie offshore base (http://www.strategypage.com/messageboards/messages/9-401.asp) note this is a link if you need any more infromation look it up yourself

Not really. It isn't modular or anything like that. It has its own power and specific function. This is basically a mobile island that can be used as a staging port for massive air strikes and running down slower ships. Run it into an aircraft carrier and it will split in two. :)

Pykrete is not self-healing, could not resist a nuclear attack and would not be an effective defence against particle weapons. A large pykrete 'island' would be interesting as a mobile base, but useless as a warship. Pykrete is tough, but it's not that tough; a solid barrage from an SD or such would soon tear enough out of a pykrete carrier to destabilise it and make it split apart and / or capsize. If a .303 bullet can penetrate six inches of your material, it is nothing like as tough as modern armour; the point is it is tough compared to normal ice.

Pykrete is not self-healing, could not resist a nuclear attack and would not be an effective defence against particle weapons. A large pykrete 'island' would be interesting as a mobile base, but useless as a warship. Pykrete is tough, but it's not that tough; a solid barrage from an SD or such would soon tear enough out of a pykrete carrier to destabilise it and make it split apart and / or capsize. If a .303 bullet can penetrate six inches of your material, it is nothing like as touch as modern armour; the point is it is tough compared to normal ice.

Thank you! :headbang: Finally, someone who shared the same view as me.

Kjata, if you make a reply to this, and I don't respond, it's most likely because I don't care enough to reply. Thanks!

Pykrete is not self-healing, could not resist a nuclear attack and would not be an effective defence against particle weapons. A large pykrete 'island' would be interesting as a mobile base, but useless as a warship. Pykrete is tough, but it's not that tough; a solid barrage from an SD or such would soon tear enough out of a pykrete carrier to destabilise it and make it split apart and / or capsize.

oh my! Pykrete alone! No way!

Pykrete is wonderful at asborbing shots, but you need actual reinforcement, which I posted I WOULD have shielding layered inside the ship. You need refrigeration to keep it frozen. Then you can draw water and use it to repair the ship. Now what better way then having a series of pipes and practically run the mix of pykrete into a spray or some other method depending on the location of the damage. As it freezes any hole will become refilled from torpedo attacks and other 'problems'

With the sheer thickness and size of the carrier (300 foot walls before the interal workings of the ship itself) it would take a massive amount of contrated fire to break through the layers of Pykrete and classified other armor *cough*Chobham *cough* together would pose a challenge in piercing alone.

Also these carriers will be loaded with planes and will have escorted ships because it alone cannot defend itself well. (working on viable defenses)

The technology to build the ship may be sixty years old, but it won't be built of solid pykrete.

The carrier is not a warship. Sorry it is an aircraft carrier.

how the hell is it only 10 billion USD....that is impossible.



please answer my question!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

whats the point you can sail it into shallow waters the tropics ect. you are better off building a MOB

It only costs 10 billion because Pykrete is easy to make, but seriously, everyone could make it, and they don't have to make some gigantic carrier.

Pykrete is wonderful at asborbing shots, but you need actual reinforcement, which I posted I WOULD have shielding layered inside the ship.

And here's the problem with it being unsinkable; if you run armour layers through it the pkyrete can crack and shear away completely with concentrated fire. Because the resulting form will be unstable, you'll need to either counter-flood, seperate *more* of the ship with explosives so counterbalance, or ignore it and list horribly.

You need refrigeration to keep it frozen.

Actually, the original plan was to operate it in cold water [the North Atlantic] only. Running pipes through the whole structure to cool it would be very difficult [especially for maintaining those pipes] and weaken the structure drastically. Ice isn't difficult to seperate from a metal surface that can flex [like a pipe], as anyone who's ever cleaned out a freezer with movable shelves can tell you.

Then you can draw water and use it to repair the ship. Now what better way then having a series of pipes and practically run the mix of pykrete into a spray or some other method depending on the location of the damage. As it freezes any hole will become refilled from torpedo attacks and other 'problems'

Problem is that would require the surface of the ship to be <0 degrees, at which point it would rapidly encase in regular ice before your pykrete could get there. Also, since the attack has damaged the surface, you'd have to somehow get the pykrete *to* the damaged section, and keep it there while it freezes, all while being attacked.

The self-healing part is the most suspect. It can be patched up, certainly, but a system that would re-coat areas would have to be incredibly complex and would weaken the ship. As said, the pipes you used would allow cracks to form, potentially causing whole lumps of the ship to come away.

The carrier is not a warship. Sorry it is an aircraft carrier.

Well, 'platform' is more like it. Really this thing is only useful for what it was intended for in WW2; guarding shipping lanes.

It was recently announce in Kjata that a ship was being built that would weigh one million tonnes. This super heavy ship defies all conventional thought and puzzles the reporters.

The massive ship, called the "Armada" is expected to be constructed in a mere eight months and be capable of holding up to 1,000 planes on it. The government goes further to say that it is an unsinkable ship. Claiming that most bullets only protrude 6 inches into the material and are then healed over and pose no threat to the massive ship. Which is expected to have nearly 300 ft wide walls of armor.

In testing even high explosives barely dented the material by 2 feet. The ship is self-healing and is immune to Napalm fire bombing. Nuclear devices are also ineffective against the sheer power of the first unsinkable ship in history and most powerful ship to ever be created.

Total costs for this project are projected into the $10 billion mark range. Claiming that it will be the 'coolest' thing to hit the seas in ages.

Though this is all the information that has been released to the international community it appears that the minister of naval affairs is willing to hear questions and comments from outside nations.


Yeah, an aircraft carrier (Nimitz size) typically cost from $2-4 billion. Self-repairing armor is not within the bounds of modern technology. Why are nuclear devices ineffective against it? What is "the material?" A modern aircraft carrier typically takes 3-4 years to build. 300 foot-thick armor would put it at far over a million tons, considering most carriers have armor a few inches thick. There is no way such a ship could float, nor is there a propulsion system that could make something that heavy move. This ship, even if it could float and move, there is no existing shipyard large enough to actually build it, and the total cost of the project, including the cost of acquiring and transporting the enormous amount of "material" required, the extensive research and development, construction of the ship, the payment of the builders and sailors, the construction of the air wing, and the construction of the new shipyard and docking facilites, would be in the hundreds of billions or even trillions of dollars, and would be outside the bounds of modern technology.

It is meant to be used in the Pacific, though it can get to the rest of the world slowly.

As for the layers, yes, that is why you would need to develope layers that use the ice to enhance the strength. I was considering a honey-comb shaped hexagonal form. Now for the outside of the ship the pipes that could be running horizontally and vertically on the outside of the ship. Insulating layers would be added also to reduce strain. These technologies didn't exist in the 1940's but it is possible today.


Ok here's how is would go

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1st layer: The outer shell. A composite armor outside shield that also insulates the interior and reduces the cooling system needs.

2nd layer - Pykrete, the first layer of the ship. Run with horizontal and vertical pipes and loose armor they can provide cooling and in extreme cases Pykrete to damages sections of the ship. Though it would simply be a patch of pure Pykrete that would form. Leaving a scar in the ship.

3rd Layer - Another reinforced layer of composite armor with special care taken to latch it into the Pykrete.

4th Layer - Pykrete, second layer of Pykrete

5th and 6th is more armor and pykrete

7th Layer is a insulating layer to protect the ship's internal functions from heating the Pykrete.

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So as for your comment about Pykrete being inoperatable in warm waters, with insulation it won't be much of a concern. For the ship itself to cracking, the way the Pykrete is layered it will be able to encase the pipes and armor and use them to be strong. (They will need to be at a constant temperature above freezing to remain constant. Even though Pykrete is more heat resistant then ice).

Problem is that would require the surface of the ship to be <0 degrees, at which point it would rapidly encase in regular ice before your pykrete could get there. Also, since the attack has damaged the surface, you'd have to somehow get the pykrete *to* the damaged section, and keep it there while it freezes, all while being attacked.

The self-healing part is the most suspect. It can be patched up, certainly, but a system that would re-coat areas would have to be incredibly complex and would weaken the ship. As said, the pipes you used would allow cracks to form, potentially causing whole lumps of the ship to come away.

I think I have covered this. Though your point it being patched relies on the armor can hold it while it freezes quickly and that the 'patch' will be able to protect the ship again.

Though this is pretty rare and would require great damage to pierce far enough in to the armor and do enough damage to do this. Let alone be able to counteract the weight at the bottom of the ship which will keep it balanced. Also since it is not top heavy and their is 3x more mass below the surface then above it would not be at all easy to cause it to flip over. Since this ships tonnes will be rated in the millions it would take a very very powerful force.

Since Earth X won't have nuclear missiles or thermonuclear devices this ship is pretty safe. Though I am not clear on depleted uranium rounds, those have been outlawed by the REAL UN and pose a threat to this ship. Ya I was refering to nuclear-based weapons not nuclear weapons, umm ya. This thing I don't think would fare well against a nuclear strike, let alone a direct hit.

Kreynoria']Yeah, an aircraft carrier (Nimitz size) typically cost from $2-4 billion. Self-repairing armor is not within the bounds of modern technology. Why are nuclear devices ineffective against it? What is "the material?" A modern aircraft carrier typically takes 3-4 years to build. 300 foot-thick armor would put it at far over a million tons, considering most carriers have armor a few inches thick. There is no way such a ship could float, nor is there a propulsion system that could make something that heavy move. This ship, even if it could float and move, there is no existing shipyard large enough to actually build it, and the total cost of the project, including the cost of acquiring and transporting the enormous amount of "material" required, the extensive research and development, construction of the ship, the payment of the builders and sailors, the construction of the air wing, and the construction of the new shipyard and docking facilites, would be in the hundreds of billions or even trillions of dollars, and would be outside the bounds of modern technology.


Ya umm...maybe you would reread the thread, the material has been mentioned so many times already.

It uses Pykrete as a material, very cheap and slightly stronger then cement. Made from 14% sawdust or wood pulp and ice. This raises the strength and is lighter then water. Since it is massive and lighter then water this will float no matter what you do to it. Functioning under the formula for a iceberg, for what you see there is 3x-9x that below the surface. This is such the case, so it won't capsize and sink.

To move it requires multiple engines and propellers, it can go up to 20 knots, but mobility is poor.

The 'shipyard' is a converted island that I am using to build this. I am assembling individual blocks and transporting them several miles across the sea to the island and then underneath the canopy (spanning the entire island, and looks like the sea) assemble it from massive blocks of Pykrete.

This ship cannot dock anywhere in the world. It will have to return to the island for repairs and will need to be shipped supplies by the air.

The ship also requires a very small crew, simply a few engineers to control the internal functions of the ship and a rather large crew to support the aircraft. To simply function this ship require under 100 crew members and over 1500 to supply the full benefits of an air crew. (It will house aircraft hangars and an elevator along with a super massive weapons room that will be protected by thick layers of armor and surrounded by Pykrete.

The thing is not beyond modern tech, and it is infact an upgraded idea of a plan from the 1940's, for a ship that would weigh 2 million tons and be constructed in 8 months by 8000 people. Not to mention be 2000 ft long and have 50ft thick walls! Managing 18 kmh with 26 engines. The original plan was to hold 150 twin engined bombers or fighters. The ship was to cost $70 million. By all means my version is much much larger and better armoured and capable of doing more then the original because of modern technology. It is completely possible and easy to make.

OOC: you don't ICly know this. So you cannot use it.

OOC: No, you misunderstand, I may rethink my OOC: claim of godmod, that's all. I have considered using Pykrete to build with in the past but never did much with it. I had a post or two on Earth V about it. Agreed that IC wise I don't know about your ship. Disagree that I don't know about Pykrete. Do agree that I won't be using it anytime soon to build anything.

Since it is massive and lighter then water this will float no matter what you do to it.

However, that it will float does not mean it will be usable; still being afloat is no good if it has rolled over or broken apart. Think of hitting a flat sheet of ice floating on water with a hammer; all parts will still float and so it is literally 'unsinkable,' but it won't be a flat sheet of ice anymore. Further, since your vessel isn't made entirely of pykrete and has much denser layers of armour, it could easily reach a point where enough damage is done or enough pykrete is lost for the entire structure to sink or become unstable and list severely enough to be useless or capsize. Remember, for every bit of armour you need more pykrete to keep the ship afloat, which means more area to armour, which means more pykrete...

Consider an 'armoured iceberg' as a concept; that's basically what you're trying to build. It seems dubious it would float even in a flat, dead calm sea, let alone in any kind of storm. Modern weapons can easily damage a pykrete vessel, and attempting to armour it only creates worse problems. As said, as a far behind the lines support vessel or a method of guarding a shipping lane it makes some kind of sense, but as an armoured combatant? Frankly, I don't see how it would be possible, let alone practical.

You built it out of Pykrete!! Hmmm, Maybe I'll rethink it since I've considered doing the same.

Frozen sawdust? awww crap, here comes the chipboard ubership....

Let's go through your anti-nuke uberness.

pykrete: 14% sawdust/wood pulp and ice.

Wood's a bit flammable, isn't it?

Nukes are very hot.


Pykrete is a technology at least 60 years old. Ever wonder why nobody uses it?

try the laws of physics the ice on the out side will become hotter faster then that on the inside and because of this the ice will expand and it will eventualy crack the ship

If one may interject, the heat at the centre of an atomic reaction is close to one million degrees, and you have said nothing of how the ship would withstand or even hope to survive the massive blastwave at ground zero.

A fission detonation at ground zero with a nominal yield of anything up to 150 megatons will not only pulverise whatever is beneath it in a split second, but the blast wave, concussion wave and resulting release of kinetic energy has the capacity to render whatever is beneath it into its component molecules within seconds.

If the weapon is seaburst beneath the ship, it had better have the ability to outrun or survive a tsunami borne of a manmade seaquake. The water displacement alone within one mile will be enough to turn a one million tonne ship into scrap metal in seconds flat.

Unless you are planning on repealing the laws of physics and thermodynamics, there is no way in this earth that anything in the middle of an ocean can even hope to have a whelks chance of surviving a 50 megaton explosion.

Need I remind you that nuclear weapons are measured in kilotons or in hundreds of megatons.

You have also not said how the ship will prevent the absorption of neutrons, how the crew will protect themselves from the original heat and light flash at detonation which will vapourise anything within a 600 foot radius instantaneously...not to mention the release of massive bursts of gamma radiation which will kill any living thing within miles.

Anyone even looking at it for a split second will suffer permanent irreparable blindness....if they live long enough to blink.

I checked the definition of an unsinkable ship..and got some nice photos of the RMS Titanic in her watery tomb.

Don't be silly. After a vote in the Kjata parliament, they took the laws of physics off the statute books.

OOC; A Million Tons? Can we all say Supergodmod? a Million Ton ship would Sink to the Bottom of The Sea.

[Hataria can't read. Shame.]

if you havent read the ship is made of ice

Prime minister Zafwa Manlawda strolled out of his oval office on his way to a cabinet meeting. Before even getting halfway to the conference room he heard a scream down the hall.

" Mr.PM, Mr.PM over here!!! We've completed the mission"

" Excellant work" The PM said over his solider as he strolled into a small office on the side of his own. " What are u waiting for, open the box!"

The minister opened the gray box labeled 'TOP SECRET' which unvieled plans for that Kjata ship.

" Oh, i remember this" The PM said as he picked up a brownie from a tray and started munching. The HCVIA had secretly stolen the plans from the Kjatas.
The PM studied the plans as he ate his brownie with almonds and topped with some sort of chocalate frosting. Suddently the House clown snuck into the meeting room and worked hs way up to the PM.

" BOO!" The clown screamed

The PM nearly jumped out of his seat as the brownie first fell out of his hands, smeared all over his nose, and then smeared all over the plans.

" LOOK WHAT YOU DID YOU DIP!!! HATAReea, I'M TELLING YOU, IF YOU DO THAT EVER AGAIN YOU WILL BE SLAUGHTERED IN THE TOWN SQUARE!!!"

" Oh, hatareea sorry! Master, please forgive me!"

" O fine but dont do it again, now, I need you to help-" The PM gasped, The plans were covered in chocalate." I can't believe this-"

" Hatareea sorry master, Hatareea never do something like that again!"

A few minutes later, the copy clerk walked into the room " Sir, I have the copies of the top secret plans and I didnt read them"

" Dont worry I trust all of my employees-" The PM glared at the clown " Get moving you, you,-" The PM couldnt think of anything " Ummmm....I'll get you back dude"

----2 Months later----

" Ladies and jentlemen we has completed da ships and de are ready to go ashore" A loud applause was heard from the citizens of Zambwa city.

" Now you guys cant tell anyone its a big secret, but im gonna telu uz anyway, we got da top secret ship plans from Kijata"

From behind the prime minister a group of 50 penguins dressed as sailors walked towards the ships and stared climbing aboard.

" These brave souls who actually served their 1 year military service were rewarded with the voyage of a lifetime, these brave souls from the United Animal Kingdom will be driving the boats. These boats more powerful then you expect they are hundreds of feet thick and can carry hundreds of planes, because thats what the plans said"

A reporter reached out his hand " Sir, with all your respect we cannot create these ships, we are n00bs, it is only 2005, and we arent in Earth X."

The PM looked as though he had pooped himself

" Well I just did didnt I, didnt they teach you anything in my overfunded universities! Hatareea take that reporters place and hand over your little spoungy nose, you are now my secretary of the Media"

" Hatarreea thankful master, but me have already know what happened"

" W-T-F, the ships havent even left the harbor!"

" But sir, we have attacke cajata and inflicted mass damage unto thee"

" What the heck are you talking of Hatareea are you like a fortune teller or something"

" Sir, they have surrenderzed to our forces and we now win the war"

" But Hatareea you cant predict the outcome of our oponent that would be-"
The PM gasped in amazment.

" vouzlsdjflakjsld;f aljls;djfl;ajs;df ooo aljsdlfjal;jsd;lfj" The former house clown said.

" What are you speaking????? I DEMAND ANWERS"

" Sir he is speaking the ancient language of the newbs if you recall we dont have over five million people"

The PM tried to speak again but nothing came out.

";klasjd;fljasl;fdj ;lajsdfjalkjsd;lfj l;kajsl;djfl;kajs;dfjeortuagn"

" What was that Mr. PM"

"adwjtpoianbo;aie bnanwoignb asdf nsofhawpoighn"

" What are you saying"

" I cant ,cant speak asldfjl;asjdfsajoi oausdofi oaiusdf"

The PM started shaking and his body was shivering. The crowd looked on in horror.

" Sir, master has been poisened by the Kajatas, we must go to war"

" But hatareea I thought you said we already won the war" said the guard

Hatareea looked very confused as his head started to steam.

" Cant, proccess--system failture---" And with that a robotic arm popped out of hatareea's sleeve as he fell to the gound with bolts of electricity flowing out of him.

" The Kajatas have put a robotic spy in our territory, we declare war on thee"
Screamed the vice president"

And with that the crowd roared in a chant

" lasjd;flj a;lskjdfljas d;lkasjdflkjaldfjj oavi anfgowein vnajshgtpanb; aseto!"

Frozen sawdust? awww crap, here comes the chipboard ubership....

Let's go through your anti-nuke uberness.

pykrete: 14% sawdust/wood pulp and ice.

Wood's a bit flammable, isn't it?

Nukes are very hot.


Pykrete is a technology at least 60 years old. Ever wonder why nobody uses it?


OCC: Score!

Can someone say godmode? This squishy material should and would absorb water, making it verry puffy. The stuff would most likely be ripped throuhg by a couple of bullets. Why not just cover your ships in titanum, thats what i am doing...

Pykrete is in fact very hard.

Can someone say godmode? This squishy material should and would absorb water, making it verry puffy. The stuff would most likely be ripped throuhg by a couple of bullets. Why not just cover your ships in titanum, thats what i am doing...

(OOC: Good god, people. Read!!! You've got the internet right here. Look of the stuff please.

Squishy?!
Puffy?!
Ripped though by bullets?!

You know what? Here's a link. Educate your self.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pykrete)

(OOC: Good god, people. Read!!! You've got the internet right here. Look of the stuff please.

Squishy?!
Puffy?!
Ripped though by bullets?!

You know what? Here's a link. Educate your self.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pykrete)

Umm ya... its obvious all this current yelling has been from people who read the first part and then reply. It was a leaked info first and now I have totally said what it is and how it works, even going as far as to draw a bad diagram on this forum for it.

About it flipping over: No, it won't the amount below the surface is weighted and won't flip. That's like asking how an Aircraft carrier doesn't flip. When it doesn't APPEAR to be able to float from what you see on the waterline up. Below it can surely do it easy enough. Remember 3x more mass is below the ship then above. So the top is MUCH lighter, no problems with this occured in the test ship they made.

About it being owned by nukes: Umm yes it can. I was referring to depleted uranium weapons and the kind. No nuclear missiles will be launched in Earth X. Though yes....this thing would be a gonner. Though who would launch a nuclear missile at this and not my nuclear missile silos if nukes were allowed?

About it freezing the troops: No...this is pathetic, I have it insulated two times, one on the outside and one on the inside to lower the power needed to keep it cool and also protect my crew and the ship itself from heat produced by the machines. It will be completely fine.

About it melting: Pykrete doesn't melt like ice. The sawdust gives it a higher temperature for melting and in room temperature it won't melt away to nothing.

About it catching fire: It won't it's still sawdust and ice. The thing doesn't catch fire from sawdust cause it is a small part and the ice would put it out. You'll have a puddle of water that will refreeze because Pykrete will be kept below 32 degrees F on the ship.

As for this in salt water: salt water has a higher freezing point then fresh water, and the sea won't freeze around it either.

Umm a likely reason why its not used today, it cannot dock or function as well as a massive aircraft carrier and those can enter certian areas easily. Though in recent history I can't recall a aircraft carrier being destroyed. Modern aircraft carriers require lots of maintaince, but Kjata cannot build nuclear reactor aircraft carriers and all the other benefits of a massive carrier without paying high maintaince costs that would limit our production.

These are mobile airfields at sea that we will use to launch aircraft for an endless bombing run and strikes anywhere in the world at any time. To the Kjata military this seems better then having carriers support only 100 or so aircraft and only use those. These ships can hold at least 10x that and more safely to.

While it has its disadvantages for a cost and production speed of it, I can turn out nearly 6 of the original model to just one Nimitz carriers. Oh ya that includes price also. We'd outnumber any military quickly and with more planes then a real one could produce ships fast enough. Since these can also take quite a beating, it would survive longer.

$160,000,000 a year to run a Nimitz carrier alone far exceeds Kjata's Military Budget Ideals. Why not pay $12,000,000 for maintaince and fuel of it, without harmful toxic waste and nuclear by-products?!

IIRC, Earth X does not allow nukes, so any nuclear weapons are out of the question. That means no nuking of this ship. ;)

IIRC, Earth X does not allow nukes, so any nuclear weapons are out of the question. That means no nuking of this ship. ;)

Ya, that's why I specifically said that, but I am not sure as to what he meant if it was just nuclear devices or illegal UN weapons like depleted uranium weapons.

Hmm...if that is the case for the UN, wouldn't also nukes be illegal?

There's always the MOAB. Non-nuclear, and a couple of them would do a number on the pykrete hull.

There's always the MOAB. Non-nuclear, and a couple of them would do a number on the pykrete hull.


Ya, though it's like breaking away at massive armor plates and then solid cement. Given I have calculated the damage and it isn't pretty. Five would be able to ruin it, if correctly placed. Given this I am planning on conventional intercepters and Metal Storm Technology along with Point-Defense lasers, with close range kill power. Though for this I would have to decide on a nuclear engine or not. Thus a nuclear engine would increase the operating costs greatly. Not to mention increased heat control management.

[Nanotechnology, meet mr nuke. He's very hot, and gives off a lovely EMP.]

Have you ever heard of energy shields and screens? After all I am talking
FT here.

Have you ever heard of energy shields and screens? After all I am talking
FT here.

Still we aren't FT, but you can have EMP asborbing materials and have heat-resistant materials and reduce the damage to the systems then.

Still we aren't FT, but you can have EMP asborbing materials and have heat-resistant materials and reduce the damage to the systems then.



Thats fine, I was answering one person who I thought was saying they didn't think your self repairing hull could even be accomplished with FT. It can be because many FT countries have self repairing hulls on their starships ... including us. If you are interested I could help you in that department ... if your not interested no problem.

Thats fine, I was answering one person who said they didn't think your self
repairing hull could even be accomplished with FT. It can be because many FT
countries have self repairing hulls on their starships ... including us. If you
are interested I could help you in that department ... if your not interested
no problem.

OOC: Sure what information you got for an MT nation?

OOC: Sure what information you got for an MT nation?

What is the timeline you wish to stay in? Does MT stop at 2020?

actualy its post mt

one question how will you get the wood without a enviromental agency coming after you or the wood running out compleately

What is the timeline you wish to stay in? Does MT stop at 2020?
Yes, 2020.

one question how will you get the wood without a enviromental agency coming after you or the wood running out compleately

What...It's sawdust! Its a waste of all wooden projects and is considered waste in basically all countries. Why not turn that waste into a strong ship? Its mainly waste from paper-making facilites that can be used.

It's a military project and I doubt that cutting down a few acres of trees are going to get an agency on me for this. As of course we will replant and nuture it for the next batch of trees in 25 years.

Frozen sawdust? awww crap, here comes the chipboard ubership....

Let's go through your anti-nuke uberness.

pykrete: 14% sawdust/wood pulp and ice.

Wood's a bit flammable, isn't it?

Nukes are very hot.


Pykrete is a technology at least 60 years old. Ever wonder why nobody uses it?

Kyptin! The engine, she melts!

Yeah, just drop some napalm on it and the heat would melt big holes in your ship, and soon you would have a lovely floating tub of sawdust mush.

It was recently announce in Kjata that a ship was being built that would weigh one million tonnes. This super heavy ship defies all conventional thought and puzzles the reporters.

The massive ship, called the "Armada" is expected to be constructed in a mere eight months and be capable of holding up to 1,000 planes on it. The government goes further to say that it is an unsinkable ship. Claiming that most bullets only protrude 6 inches into the material and are then healed over and pose no threat to the massive ship. Which is expected to have nearly 300 ft wide walls of armor.

In testing even high explosives barely dented the material by 2 feet. The ship is self-healing and is immune to Napalm fire bombing. Nuclear devices are also ineffective against the sheer power of the first unsinkable ship in history and most powerful ship to ever be created.

Total costs for this project are projected into the $10 billion mark range. Claiming that it will be the 'coolest' thing to hit the seas in ages.

Though this is all the information that has been released to the international community it appears that the minister of naval affairs is willing to hear questions and comments from outside nations.

This is a laughable noob weapon. 1,000 planes is hilarious, but 300 foot wide armor are a blatant godmod. Most SDs have only a meter of armor. The ship would have to be thousands of meters long and hundreds wide in order to support 1 milllion tons of weight.

This is a laughable noob weapon. 1,000 planes is hilarious, but 300 foot wide armor are a blatant godmod. Most SDs have only a meter of armor. The ship would have to be thousands of meters long and hundreds wide in order to support 1 milllion tons of weight.

Congratulations! You are a complete:

NOOB

Now read the previous posts. Noob..

OOC (The Velkyan Union):

Wow, call me a noob, thats real insulting.

I have read the other posts, and I still think this is an idiotic weapon, pykerte, sawdust, or whatever, since I could just fire a few napalm-equipped bunker busters or TRs into this and it would sink like a stone.

Kyptin! The engine, she melts!

(OOC: That's the worst Chekov immpression ever! :p .)

Um, your making a ship that's almost unsinkable, good for you! Except, I think around these things.

See, you say nuclear weapons don't work. Wrong, just hit the top of the ship and of course, radiation will go into the ship, killing most of the crew. Also, since it's so "huge". One can simply deploy large amounts of ground units such as tanks and infantry onto the ship to go into it and destroy the engines etc.

The problem with trying the radiation approach is that the damn thing is too thick. A hundred meters of concrete will stop just about anything. As for ground troops, I'm sure the thing would still have weapon systems, so landing them on it might be a problem. Over-all, just as effective as any boarding action.

OOC (The Velkyan Union):

Wow, call me a noob, thats real insulting.

I have read the other posts, and I still think this is an idiotic weapon, pykerte, sawdust, or whatever, since I could just fire a few napalm-equipped bunker busters or TRs into this and it would sink like a stone.

Would you fire Bunker Busters on an Aircraft Carrier? This thing WILL be defended and because of the little mass to weapons ratio and sheer structure size I can place many many weapons on it and not have problems with ammo or weight limits.

BTW this can't sink Pykrete weighs less then water. It is the first truely unsinkable ship.

Um, your making a ship that's almost unsinkable, good for you! Except, I think around these things.

See, you say nuclear weapons don't work. Wrong, just hit the top of the ship and of course, radiation will go into the ship, killing most of the crew. Also, since it's so "huge". One can simply deploy large amounts of ground units such as tanks and infantry onto the ship to go into it and destroy the engines etc.

Earth X doesn't have nuclear weapons. Sorry. How can you deploy troops and tanks on a massive aircraft carrier that is loaded with airplanes, anti-air and massive amounts of defensive weapons? Destroying the engines also won't mean death for this ship. It will simply drift then.

This thread is gonna die because I am going to post the launching thread with calculations and everything shortly.

The problem with trying the radiation approach is that the damn thing is too thick. A hundred meters of concrete will stop just about anything. As for ground troops, I'm sure the thing would still have weapon systems, so landing them on it might be a problem. Over-all, just as effective as any boarding action.


Umm...ya, the boarding action...The thing is 300 feet high. Placing it over 2x higher then a Nimitz-class carrier. The thing is huge. Unless your soldiers are capable of climbing up that high against a MOVING object while underfire I doubt this is possible. Paradrop would have more success then this! lmao!

Pykrete is tough, but not that tough.

Hell, I don't care how many point defense lasers, Sea Sparrows, Phalanxes, or whatever you put on this thing, something's gotta give or else, people will still be able to say this is a godmod, regardless of how much math, science, or crap you shove behind it.

Pykrete is tough, but not that tough.

Hell, I don't care how many point defense lasers, Sea Sparrows, Phalanxes, or whatever you put on this thing, something's gotta give or else, people will still be able to say this is a godmod, regardless of how much math, science, or crap you shove behind it.

It's really easy to actually damage the defenses on this thing. Simply landing and destroying it would then be easy. The armor is thick though. The ability of this to be a MAJOR threat is unlikely. As the aircraft are the only means of real attack.

It's really easy to actually damage the defenses on this thing. Simply landing and destroying it would then be easy. The armor is thick though. The ability of this to be a MAJOR threat is unlikely. As the aircraft are the only means of real attack.

Actually, I meant destroying it.

Actually, I meant destroying it.

Shut up.... This thing is going to be taken over rather then destroyed. It will possess NUCLEAR Engines.

Shut up.... This thing is going to be taken over rather then destroyed. It will possess NUCLEAR Engines.
And that concerns a world already ravaged by WWIII how?

Seriously, if simply having nuclear engines was such a big deal, then wtf were the Soviets thinking about doing to the US's mighty carrier fleet? (Which I remind you had nuclear engines as well.)
That's right, sending them to the bottom of the sea. Nuclear engines, weapons and all. :rolleyes:

Also, don't tell me to shut up... :(

Let's keep this civil, and constructive shall we? :)

And that concerns a world already ravaged by WWIII how?

Seriously, if simply having nuclear engines was such a big deal, then wtf were the Soviets thinking about doing to the US's mighty carrier fleet? (Which I remind you had nuclear engines as well.)
That's right, sending them to the bottom of the sea. Nuclear engines, weapons and all. :rolleyes:

Also, don't tell me to shut up... :(

Let's keep this civil, and constructive shall we? :)

Alright, lol. I was being sarcastic cause you saw a flaw.

Released here! http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9460571#post9460571

BTW this can't sink Pykrete weighs less then water. It is the first truely unsinkable ship.

Cork also can't sink. This does not mean a ship made of cork would be unsinkable. While a damaged pkyrete ship that didn't catch fire or melt would still float regardless of damage, that does not mean it would still be in any way operable as a naval vessel rather than a chain of interesting icebergs.

Plus, there's no way your new speed of 40 knots would ever be achievable.

Cork also can't sink. This does not mean a ship made of cork would be unsinkable. While a damaged pkyrete ship that didn't catch fire or melt would still float regardless of damage, that does not mean it would still be in any way operable as a naval vessel rather than a chain of interesting icebergs.

Plus, there's no way your new speed of 40 knots would ever be achievable.

Cork is not as strong a cement. That is why it is a bad idea. Now Pykrete is known to be strong it is also heavy. The ship if broken up becomes useless and it is called 'destroyed' where at such time the ship can either try to be saved and salvaged or just melt and the heavy material sink the ocean floor.

It has 80 propellers with power provided by four nuclear reactors. If a Nimitz Carrier can go 30+ knots with 4 propellers then why can't a ship with twenty times that go just 10 knots faster MAXIMUM. The Nimitz max speed was not provided. I have provided the maximum speed for this.

Traditional operating speed will be 30 knots however as to not strain the engines. You are absolutely right on the fact it shouldn't go 40 knots, but that is the provided maximum speed with full engine power.

I'll add the differences, ok?

Now Pykrete is known to be strong it is also heavy.

No, it's not heavy at all. Less dense than water, remember?

It has 80 propellers with power provided by four nuclear reactors. If a Nimitz Carrier can go 30+ knots with 4 propellers then why can't a ship with twenty times that go just 10 knots faster MAXIMUM. The Nimitz max speed was not provided. I have provided the maximum speed for this.

Aside from obvious issues with huge acceleration and deceleration distances, simple division? Maximum speed of a Nimitz is usually stated as >30 knots [though unlikely to be much greater] with two nuclear reactors driving four shafts. Hence, if we ignore her mains power then each shaft has 1/2 of a reactor driving it.

Now, here we have four nuclear reactors driving eighty shafts; each shaft now has 1/20 of a reactor driving it; in addition, water resistance is massively greater due to the sheer size of the hull and probably the shape, too; especially since a huge area of your ship's hull is submerged. In other words, your props are less powerful individually [unless your reactors are absolutely fucking enormous, which would give you very severe heating issues] and they must do much, much more work to move the ship the same distance. You'd be lucky to break ten knots without generating so much heat you melt the ice.

There's also probably some unpleasant hydrodynamic issues to having so many propellors, plus horrendous problems with the tidal waves you'd cause shoving eighteen million tons of water out of the way at thirty or fourty knots; I'll have to point Freethinker at this thread if I see him around.

No, it's not heavy at all. Less dense than water, remember?



Aside from obvious issues with huge acceleration and deceleration distances, simple division? Maximum speed of a Nimitz is usually stated as >30 knots [though unlikely to be much greater] with two nuclear reactors driving four shafts. Hence, if we ignore her mains power then each shaft has 1/2 of a reactor driving it.

Now, here we have four nuclear reactors driving eighty shafts; each shaft now has 1/20 of a reactor driving it; in addition, water resistance is massively greater due to the sheer size of the hull and probably the shape, too; especially since a huge area of your ship's hull is submerged. In other words, your props are less powerful individually [unless your reactors are absolutely fucking enormous, which would give you very severe heating issues] and they must do much, much more work to move the ship the same distance. You'd be lucky to break ten knots without generating so much heat you melt the ice.

There's also probably some unpleasant hydrodynamic issues to having so many propellors, plus horrendous problems with the tidal waves you'd cause shoving eighteen million tons of water of of the way at thirty or fourty knots; I'll have to point Freethinker at this thread if I see him around.

I wish Kyanges was this clear in his arguements! Also to not spam my threads up with it. Thanks for the kind thought. :)

Now as for the power to propeller ratio I also seen that, but the figures I had were based on the power needed to support and run everything on a Nimitz class ship. Now I know some ships possess up to eight reactors of the US fleet. Which I considered crazy, though. So I had to come to the conclusion that the speed was based on power to the ship. Since all the important stuff is classified.

The orgininal article I had here was: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Habbakuk

The ship would have extremely limited maneuverability, but was expected to be capable of up to 10 knots (18 km/h) using 26 electric drive motors mounted in separate external nacelles.

Thus, I came to the conclusion was, a WWII era electric engine would be around 50-100 hp at 1500 rpm. This x26 was up to 2600 hp to drive the propellers. So a 2 million ton boat to go 10 knots with 2600 hp...now doing that figuring I can up with the idea that a nuclear engine would provide more power and thus be able to go much faster. Just to be safe I put 4 in to match some of the Nimitz ships.

Though your point does seem startling and that my predictions are way off.

Can you help me understand this, because this is my first venture into ship-building. (Maybe helping calculate the resistance to would help) ^-^

OOC:

1,600 aircraft? And only 3,600 something aircrew? That sort of an aircrew is on a Nimitz and those carry from 60-90 aircraft depending on the situation. This ship also isnt unsinkable...with that many aircraft all it takes is one lucky hit, one. And you shatter fuel lines, ignite weapons stores, and this ship will blow up faster than the HMS Hood, with an explosion comparable to a nuclear weapon in force. You dont need to hit your vaunted Pykrete to sink the ship. You only need to hit the aircraft.

I wont even go into the crew requirement..I mean, nuclear reactor capable warships are crew intensive for a reason. You're running a nuclear power plant. In this case you're running four of them and you expect to have a crew of a 688(LA SSN)...but you pretty much said that they will be handling all of the internal work for the ship..which means you've overtaxed a crew which is already small. How much do you think automation can actually handle?This ship is a bad idea, bad implementation, and frankly 10 billion is to little for a cost..even if pykrete is easy to produce, the insulation, the piping, the weapons systems, the armor to protect the pykrete wont be cheap. 4 nuclear reactors dont pop out of thin air either..this thing would take decades to build..and I do mean decades. Oh well.

OOC:

1,600 aircraft? And only 3,600 something aircrew? That sort of an aircrew is on a Nimitz and those carry from 60-90 aircraft depending on the situation. This ship also isnt unsinkable...with that many aircraft all it takes is one lucky hit, one. And you shatter fuel lines, ignite weapons stores, and this ship will blow up faster than the HMS Hood, with an explosion comparable to a nuclear weapon in force. You dont need to hit your vaunted Pykrete to sink the ship. You only need to hit the aircraft.

I wont even go into the crew requirement..I mean, nuclear reactor capable warships are crew intensive for a reason. You're running a nuclear power plant. In this case you're running four of them and you expect to have a crew of a 688(LA SSN)...but you pretty much said that they will be handling all of the internal work for the ship..which means you've overtaxed a crew which is already small. How much do you think automation can actually handle?This ship is a bad idea, bad implementation, and frankly 10 billion is to little for a cost..even if pykrete is easy to produce, the insulation, the piping, the weapons systems, the armor to protect the pykrete wont be cheap. 4 nuclear reactors dont pop out of thin air either..this thing would take decades to build..and I do mean decades. Oh well.

Uh...if you chart my original plans to concept to creation, (and its still being tweaked with) you can tell several things. The newer stuff and add-ons are greater so that maintaince is higher now then originally. The $10 billion prediction held true until I modernized it. The original craft was to cost $80 million in WWII. Also take 8 months to do so by 8000 people.

Pykrete can be frozen quickly by super-cooling processes which keep 90% of the weight of the ship. This is fine, I did some numbers, and though they aren't final I have come up with a few hard hitting numbers.

Pykrete costs: $8,000,000,000
Refrigeration System: $500,000,000
Interal Insulation: $1,000,000,000
Tower and rooms: $500,000,000

That's $10 billion right there for the ship itself. That's on target.

Nuclear Engines x4: $2,000,000,000 ($500,000,000 each) pressurised water reactors driving eight turbines of 780,000 hp. This provides power for 80 propellers, each functioning at 78,000 hp.

Phalanx 20 mm Guns: $5.6 million each
Sea Sparrow Launchers: $165,400 a missile each launcher holds 8 missiles
Radar Systems: $200,000,000
Anti-torpedo Defense System: $1,000,000,000 (includes research)
Composite Armor: $2,000,000,000
Aircraft: Unknown cost, not purchased.
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That's over $15.2 billion for an unloaded ship. Making it more costly then over 4 Nimitz-class Aircraft Carriers.

Maintaince is to be $250,000,000 a year on the ship. Thus making it nearly double that of a Nimitz Carrier.

Adjustments to crew quarters and thus hangar size and 'free space' for weapons has also been changed accordingly. Thank you for your input, I won't work with a modernizing idea again without checking numbers.

still sice its 300ft thick how do you account for the expanding and shrinking ice that will eventualy crack the ship

still sice its 300ft thick how do you account for the expanding and shrinking ice that will eventualy crack the ship

Temperature is kept at a constant -20 degrees F for the Pykrete. This prevents size changes and prevents cracking.

how
you said there wernt any pipes and such and if there are it would weaking the ice anyway

Uh...if you chart my original plans to concept to creation, (and its still being tweaked with) you can tell several things. The newer stuff and add-ons are greater so that maintaince is higher now then originally. The $10 billion prediction held true until I modernized it. The original craft was to cost $80 million in WWII. Also take 8 months to do so by 8000 people.

Pykrete can be frozen quickly by super-cooling processes which keep 90% of the weight of the ship. This is fine, I did some numbers, and though they aren't final I have come up with a few hard hitting numbers.

Pykrete costs: $8,000,000,000
Refrigeration System: $500,000,000
Interal Insulation: $1,000,000,000
Tower and rooms: $500,000,000

That's $10 billion right there for the ship itself. That's on target.

Nuclear Engines x4: $2,000,000,000 ($500,000,000 each) pressurised water reactors driving eight turbines of 780,000 hp. This provides power for 80 propellers, each functioning at 78,000 hp.

Phalanx 20 mm Guns: $5.6 million each
Sea Sparrow Launchers: $165,400 a missile each launcher holds 8 missiles
Radar Systems: $200,000,000
Anti-torpedo Defense System: $1,000,000,000 (includes research)
Composite Armor: $2,000,000,000
Aircraft: Unknown cost, not purchased.
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That's over $15.2 billion for an unloaded ship. Making it more costly then over 4 Nimitz-class Aircraft Carriers.

Maintaince is to be $250,000,000 a year on the ship. Thus making it nearly double that of a Nimitz Carrier.

Adjustments to crew quarters and thus hangar size and 'free space' for weapons has also been changed accordingly. Thank you for your input, Iwon't work with a modernizing idea again without checking numbers.

OOC: Your ship is a idiotic godmod. End of story. This ship leaves too many unanswered questions and is a horribly massive target.

Eineid Shipyards,
Los Angelas, California Province

Greetings,

our Company has been looking over your Military application of the Prykrete formulas. Although your grand use of Prykrete evades our will, and our capabilities, we do wish to purchase the formula for Prykrete, as well as production equipment.

We plan to utilize Prykrete in the manufacture of two Cruise Liners, which will make voyages around Alaska, and in parts of the Arctic, for our more adventurous sight-seers.

Name your price, and we will see if an arrangment can be made.

Hey Arklanaland, Pykrete is easy as hell to make - ice with approx 14% woodpulp - sawdust, woodchips.. even toilet paper. You can look it up online, it ain't a state secret.

OOC: Shhh...my nation's trying to increase Economic and Political ties with Kjata. By purchasing the "Formula," the People of Kjata would be more inclined to book reservations on the cruise ships. Not to mention I get lazy sometimes...and make up elaborate reasons for my course to cover up for said laziness...

I'll spair you that. It's laziness. Silly. :P

I have other reasons, of course...I just have to make them up. Give it time.

You are not in Earth X, you are not capable of owning one of these. Maintaince is very low on such a ship, but still we are not selling to anyone. Also there is no dock in the world that could house this massive ship. We converted an entire island to a production site. To build one of these ships is a dramatic statement to the world, their immunity is invaluable to Kjata Major.

Yeah, thats a Godmod.

how
you said there wernt any pipes and such and if there are it would weaking the ice anyway

I mentioned this way back about it. Before construction even started I had planned for this. Don't shoot it down now. The only reason WHY I can do this is because it is kept at a constant temperature. Thermal expansion doesn't exist when there is no temperature change. This allows pipes (origanally made IN construction with the Pykrete) a solid circular barrier that won't compromise the ship to any structural damages by drilling into the Pykrete.

Oh yes...just so you know, that DOES cause cracking. That would be the death of the ship before it was even created as the fracturing would make it fall apart at the seams. If somehow you missed this, I'll post it in the other thread, and you can check back about the previous people who said it would never work.

They BUILT a Prototype btw. They tested to see if the small ship would hold up to a blast from a shotgun and it did. The small boat was cooled by a 1 hp engine!

Though since I cannot change your mind on the practical use or maintaince of Pykrete I will offer you this advice.

If you want to personally TEST my idea for this, you will need a cup and water and a small steel/iron pipe. Puncture the bottom of the cup and gently pull through the steel pipe by a few inches. The hole should be JUST enough to fit through without it being stretched. If you have stretched it you have failed the test, it needs to be stretched, but not so much that the water will go through it. Add the water and place it in the freezer. With something under the steel pipe and cup incase of minor leaking. Now if you've done this properly in several hours when you return the cup should be stretched and possible just fall away at the touch do to the expansion of the ice.

Remove the outer layer of the cup. Now look at the steel pipe, the ice has formed AROUND it. The ice encases it, so that it will not move from the ice even when you pull or push on it. Now the ability to actually hold it to the ice becomes better when you have washers placed around it tightly so that the ice forms around the pipe and washer as if it was one. Underneath could spell bad result, but I haven't purposely tried it.

Now that is the basic set-up. Though Pykrete expands more then ice when it is supercooled the Pykrete will literally freeze around the pipes. Then you can add more and more and build blocks. Line up the edges and use locking pieces to build blocks into a simple ship design.

Also the ability of Pykrete to withstand high temperature constantly is pretty amazing. I have found people that add saw-dust to their snowmen in winter. The snow and sawdust when compacted will allow it to survive long into the summer, and fall. Even in warm conditions in the northeast. Igloos made of Pykrete also will last this way. It will be warm inside the Igloo, yet it won't melt because of the slow heat transfer. That's about all I have to say on that.
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OOC: Shhh...my nation's trying to increase Economic and Political ties with Kjata. By purchasing the "Formula," the People of Kjata would be more inclined to book reservations on the cruise ships. Not to mention I get lazy sometimes...and make up elaborate reasons for my course to cover up for said laziness...

The thing is easily found and I will post a comment later on Earth X II about the changes to the plans for a fleet. It will be slightly disappointing to those who actually LIKE the carrier.

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OOC: Your ship is a idiotic godmod. End of story. This ship leaves too many unanswered questions and is a horribly massive target.

Hmm....forget to check the thread, where the REAL stats are listed. Hmm...ok let me post them here!
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SACBF Habbakuk

http://www.combinedfleet.com/furashita/habbakf1.jpg - Concept picture

Super Aircraft-Carrier and Battle Fortress Habbakuk

Builder: Kjata Unifed Naval Industries, Refrig-R-Us!, Ice-man Corp, Kjata Torpedo Plant, Kjata Military Factory #451, Bombing Run Ballistics Corp.
Power Plant: Four Nuclear Power Plants
Propulsion: 80 Propellers
Length, overall 6,700 feet (2,042.16 meters)
Width: widest point 1200 feet (365.76 meters)
Flight Deck Width: 1000 feet (304.8 meters)
Height: to flight deck 300 feet (91.44 meters)
Height: to top: 550 feet (167.64 meters)
Displacement Approx. 18,412,000,000 Tonnes
Speed: Currently In Questioning/Performing Sea Trials
Aircraft: 1600+
Aircraft elevators: Sixteen (16)
Catapults: Twelve (12)

Crew Ship's Company: 7,600 (Standard to operate)
Air Wing: 38,400 (24 people per plane, maximum personnel limit)
Nuclear engine crew: 300
Total: 46,300 People Maximum
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Assembled from Pykrete blocks the ship is lighter then water! It has cooling compartments that frozen Pykrete is cooled by a massive cooling system. Pykrete does not transfer heat well and will stay constantly cool with little power. Reinforced with layers of armor and piping the Pykrete stays at a constant -20 degree F. Insulators protect heat transfer and reduce stress on cooling.

On the outside of the ship is lightly covered in a radar asborbing layer and is painted grey to blend in to the horizon and lower visual sighting slightly. Then a layer of reinforced steel before the armor.

The ship is comprised of 2 feet of thick Chobham armour, that is used as tank armor. This gives the ship an actual defensive shell that is stronger and thicker then even the mighty Yamato's. The deck holds 4 feet of thick Chobham armor in plates. If damaged the plates can be removed and replaced as needed.

Nuclear Reactors of the ship: They are pressurised water reactors driving eight turbines of 780,000 hp. This provides power for 80 propellers, each functioning at 78,000 hp.

The tower of the ship stands 250 feet tall including the radar dish at the top. The control tower is only 1000 feet long and is still heavily armored with reinforced steel and tungsten, The control tower is completely devoid of Pykrete. The systems are classified, but the ones released were:

Combat Systems:
SPS-48E 3-D air search radar
SPS-49(V)5 2-D air search radar
3 Mk91 Fire Control
AN/SLQ-32(V)4 active jamming/deception
AN/WLR-1H ESM
AEGIS Weapon System

Armament
50 Phalanx CIWS 20mm mounts
20 AN/WSQ-11 Torpedo Defense System Launchers (TDS)
12 Sea Sparrow launchers
5 Point-Defense Lasers (Disrupt targeting lasers)
5 Point-Defense Kill Lasers (Close-range missile destruction, damage to ship likely)
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Um, making an unsinkable ship and an invinsible one at that is just stupid. It ruins the entire fun of war if you pull that crap on us.
KK, now, lets see, I could, trap your ship somehow with land on all sides so that it cannot get out. Then, wait while your crew starves to death.

Or um.... I could delete this topic. Or........ Oh, the list goes on.

What fun is a game if someone has an invinsible ship? It's not.

I should declare war on you, destroy your factory building this and your silly nation. gay crap.

One...its not invisible. Radar asborbing materials simply reduce the size of it on radar. It doesn't really do much of anything really, but it makes it slightly harder to see. Rather then a big giant floating object coming your way.

Two...Its unsinkable, so what? Doesn't mean it can be destroyed. If I build a little ship out of Styrofoam isn't that unsinkable? What about what happens if you detonate explosives on it? Doesn't it explode, but still the Styrofoam will float? The ship is still done for, but it will float on. Even if it is in a million pieces.

Three...If you mean invincible, ha! This thing can't run away from anything. A US carrier is already three times as fast. If you trap this thing it will be forced to fight with its meager defenses. Sink the escort and she's easy prey. Just as all US carriers are. Just because something LOOKS strong doesn't mean its not extremely weak against heavy guns or air attacks. If a nation were to capture it they would ultimately have a massive slow-moving carrier.

Four...Starve my crew....hmm yes it may have nearly 50,000 people maximum, but the size is also much larger then the rest of the Nimitz carriers. Given it has 10x the amount of services and food required it will still be able to hold up for around 8-9 months if trapped. Though by land? I don't see how that's possible, the threater of operation is locked to the Pacific really. So for all the big and bad NS nations that fear this. Just remember that it cannot get to many of you. It cannot attack the land or be able to get close. The threat comes from the planes. If you can shoot them down or their missiles you have already won.

Five... It is already built. It cost one/tenth of my budget for one year, but I built it in two years. It is very very weak, so I won't worry about the stupid thing, because it was either build this or six Nimitz Class carriers that take 5-6 NS years to build. Not to mention the high maintaince costs per year.

Six... Go to war with me? Over it? Hahahaha. That's like a nation declaring war on the US for building an aircraft carrier and saying that a floating airfield is a GODMOD. Just remember I paid dearly for the ship. For the same prices I could have a small Nimitz fleet. So please, its either face one super-slow moving object that can be avoided by even your SLOWEST ships and simply deal with the aircraft if you start a war or just remember this, depending on location I cannot even enter some areas. The ship itself is an airport that travels basically.

SO basically if you read all this and looked at it well, congrats. Now just remember that this isn't some crazy Godmod, it has its limits. Though they are pretty big, what kind of nation WANTS to go telling the world how to destroy their carriers?

I wish Kyanges was this clear in his arguements!

(OOC: Hmmm, I'm not most of the time, simply because I have neither the time, nor the patience to type something out that is clear and precise, when I can just call you up. ^_^ .)

(OOC: Hmmm, I'm not most of the time, simply because I have neither the time, nor the patience to type something out that is clear and precise, when I can just call you up. ^_^ .)

OOC: *Goes into crazied rabid chibi form* AAHHHHHHRGH!!!111!!! OMGWTF! Why don't you get off your butt an help meeeeeeeee! FURI KURI! OMGWTF! FURI------KUUUUURI! *explodes*

Umm....whoa....uh....ya.....call me so I can run a FEW numbers by you to see if they add up by your measure. Dealing with classified info on the ship.

OOC: *Goes into crazied rabid chibi form* AAHHHHHHRGH!!!111!!! OMGWTF! Why don't you get off your butt an help meeeeeeeee! FURI KURI! OMGWTF! FURI------KUUUUURI! *explodes*

Umm....whoa....uh....ya.....call me so I can run a FEW numbers by you to see if they add up by your measure. Dealing with classified info on the ship.

(OOC: If you want. Just TG them ok?)

(OOC: If you want. Just TG them ok?)

Sent the first question, check TG plz.