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RS-7 Death Adder

Wing Span: 15.16 m / 49 ft 9 in
Length: 21.94 m / 72 ft
Height: 6.84 m / 22 ft 5 in
Empty: 12,956 kg / 28,565 lb
Fully Loaded: 28,858 kg / 63,634 lb
Maximum takeoff: 36,287 kg / 80,000 lb
Engine: Two Nexus DL-563OVT 3-D vectored-thrust supercruising turbofans, 37,500 lb thrust each
Maximum speed: Mach 2.45
Cruising speed: Mach 1.9
Range: 5,000 km / 3,106 miles
Service Ceiling: 18,288 m / 60,000 ft
Armament:
1 30mm cannon, 1,500 rpm, 250 carried rounds
Internal room for 6 missiles or 2 medium diameter munitions
6 detachable hardpoints on the wing
2 wingtip hardpoints
Crew: 1
Sensors: FLIR; IRST; “Peeping Tom” LPI/NPI, active electronically scanned array, multimode radar; laser rangefinder; advanced night vision and IR cameras.
Cost: $110 million USD


Overview
The Death Adder is a next generation multi-role fighter. It was designed as a replacement for the F/A-18, MiG-29, and Su-27 and better alternative to the Su-35 and F/A-22. The fighter was developed out of the need for a native high performance aircraft with stealth capabilities.

Design
The Death Adder was designed for high performance in hostile environments. With this in mind, its airframe, high thrust-to-weight ratio, and 50° thrust vectoring in any direction make it one of the most maneuverable fighters in the world. The stealth capabilities of the plane also make aid in its environment. With no 90° angles, low IR engines, RAM material use, and no gaps in the airframe this aircraft is about %96 as stealthy as the F/A-22.

Avionics
The Death Adder comes with the most up to date avionics in the industry. It has a fly-by-wire control scheme in an unusual, but surprisingly ergonomic, split control stick layout. The split control sticks are similar to the single mini-stick found on the F-16 and allow the pilot to perform high-G maneuvers while always being in the best possible position in the 30° reclined seat to take those said Gs. The right control stick act like a normal control stick on a regular fighter and the left control stick control the thrust vectoring. Using this system allows the pilot remarkable control over his aircraft. Because his hands are busy, the Death Adder utilizes an advanced voice recognition system to arm, fire, and luanch munitions as well as control other aspects of the aircraft.

Its forward and rearward “Peeping Tom” RADAR is a highly advanced radar that can track up to 48 targets including missiles. Its name is a direct reference to its LPI/NPI characteristics which allows the aircraft to use it while preserving stealth. One important factor of the RADAR is its ability to defeat ARC/Radar-Decoy systems by the use of automated, high-speed frequency and cycle-rate changes, which result in the ARC system “making a mistake” and revealing the presence of an ARC-using aircraft. The radar can also focus its emissions to overload enemy sensors, giving the plane an electronic-attack capability.

The IRST is used for close range target acquisition and can be slaved to the radar to provide even more accurate mid to long range accuracy. Another useful feature is that the 30mm automatic cannon can be slaved to the IRST and laser rangefinder. This allows even more accurate fire than radar-slaved cannons.

Another interesting feature is that the pilot's helmet uses an augmented reality system that effectively makes the entire cockpit a HUD. It also allows the pilot to switch between regular, night vision, and Infa-Red modes. This greatly increases combat awearness, and effective targeting. Wherever that pilot looks, the missil will target.

Armament
The Death Adder carries a fairly large payload supplemented by its 30mm automatic cannon. The cannon is very powerful and is able to take down most aircraft in 4-6 hits.

The aircraft usually carries its payload in two internal bays to preserve stealth. The missiles are launched by hydraulic arms that hurl them away from the aircraft so quickly that the weapons-bay doors pop open for less than one second. In missions where payload has priority over stealth, the aircraft has a total of 8 external hardpoints for other munitions.

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Export RS-7 (Designated: RS-7E revealed (9/8/05)

The RS-7E Death Adder is now ready for production for any willing export customers. The only changes that are the the Radar is a standard phased-array system and not the "Peeping Tom" system and the RAM uses a different, less effective formula.

Cost: $110,000,000

(Edited due to user feedback)

Delta Industries will be willing to produce this for you.

(OOC: LOL a 1 month-old nation trying to produce my product.)

IC:

We're sorry the USSNA Division of Red Star Industries is fully able to produce this fighter.

(OOC: LOL a 1 month-old nation trying to produce my product.)

IC:

We're sorry the USSNA Division of Red Star Industries is fully able to produce this fighter.

OOC: Hey, you have to start somewhere. :p

True, true. Bump

Bump Did I create a crap plane?

It's a big, expensive plane, which is why I think you might be having problems with orders. You could buy 4 F-15 Strike Eagles from Leafy for the cost of one of these planes. While I'm sure yours has better than even odds of taking out an F-15, I'd still bet my money on 4 F-15's ;)

The F-15's airframe and the aircraft + system itself is already being superseded in terms of technology, and sufficient to say it's already long outdated in NS. Numerical comparisons such as stating that "I can have 4 F-15s in place of 1 [insert 5th gen fighter here]" are flawed and bears little logic, as one must consider that not only does the newer product possesses new systems and characteristics that will act as a 'force multiplier' and increase the value of the system, but that employing more of the older units when one already has the capacity to employ a smaller number of newer units serves no purpose other than perhaps gaining an upper hand in terms of numerical strength (it would be, sufficient to say, as pointless as stating that you can ditch a squadron of Eurofighters for hundreds of F-86s). If you insist on following such comparisons, do what you wish, but don't expect an upper hand in any battle when against a better-equipped opponent that can effectively employ the advantages offered by the newer system that are not seen in the older system, to his advantage.

The plane itself is interesting and would be a challenging opponent, but I have a problem with the MTOW. Try to keep the MTOW at about 2.2-2.5x of the empty weight at max.

All good points, but when it comes down to it, as a nation that’s struggling to enter the "first world", I look at the price tag and blanche. I think many nations here are in the same boat. It may be a superior fighter, but it just doesn't fit my budget.

Looks good to me, if I didn't have all the conventional fighters I could handle I'd want production rights. One problem I see is the price, even for a 5th gen fighter I'd consider dropping it by 5 or ten million. though in a 4 F-15s versus one of these I'd take the side of the Deat Adder personally, F-15s are not so good in the radar department and are slowly falling behind. and with its lack of stealth I think 4x F-15 vs. one RS-7 is what the fighter business call a 'first sight, first shot, first kill, first away' scenario, the adder could probably take out all 4 15's before the eagles even knew where it was.

i should tell u that Saturn-Lyika has the vector contor of 45 degrees all direction 3D in the testing prototype plane of su-37 for real..so your agility is how to say-1 step back! nexus dl-563vt ,u may want to put OVT not VT at the end because russians use word-ovt for 3D vectorised thrust OVT meaning all-direction vector thrust.and the name---nexus??hehe use Klimov or Saturn its better,lol...

Eh, who cares what it's called. The ones used on my Pitbull are called HPATV - not quite a sexay name, but it gets the job done.

On these - The CMF will buy 4 fo testing purposes - just send someone over to train our pilots, since they are used to the simplified F/B 1 and 1A fighters and attackplanes.
EDIT: stupid me forgot the price! 340 million to be wired on delivery.

OOC: Ooh, very nice.

IC: The Democratic Republic of Halberdgardia finds the Death Adder to be a formidable fighter, and wishes to purchase 144 for $12,240,000,000. Payment will be wired upon confirmation.

(Okay, I dropped the price and up the vectored thrust. Thanks for the feedback guys)

The Candrian Empire: Your order of 4 RS-7s will be sent to you at the redcued price of $300 million USD. 2 Instructers will be provided with the planes at no charge.

Halberdgardia: You large order of 144 planes comes out to a reduced price of $10.8 billion USD. This larger order will take some time. We can provide an inital 39 planes with an output of 35 planes every 3 months for a total of 9 mopnths production. Would you also like traners to be sent to help in the training of this aircraft?

Halberdgardia: You large order of 144 planes comes out to a reduced price of $10.8 billion USD. This larger order will take some time. We can provide an inital 39 planes with an output of 35 planes every 3 months for a total of 9 months production. Would you also like traners to be sent to help in the training of this aircraft?

We appreciate the offer, but we believe our pilots are competent enough with similar aircraft to act as our own trainers. Thank you for the offer, however. The $10.8 billion has been wired.

All good points, but when it comes down to it, as a nation that’s struggling to enter the "first world", I look at the price tag and blanche. I think many nations here are in the same boat. It may be a superior fighter, but it just doesn't fit my budget.

I am in the process of developing 3 new fighters

a heavy fighter/attack plane based on the Su-34
a small, super stealthy planed based on the Boing BOP
a cheaper ($25-35 million) 5th generation fighter based on the MiG-29

EDIT: I also just saw stealth and have fallen in love with the Talon. I've seen the patens for it but was amazed to see in 3D. I might just make and area-interceptor out of it.

OOC:

First off, I don't like the speed. That kind of speed is not going to be found on a truly stealthy aircraft. The F/A-22 owes much of its low radar cross-section to the intake design. For Mach 2+ flight, you need much larger, boxy intakes, that are going to make RCS skyrocket, and "low-IR" engines at that speed simply won't work. With that much thrust coming out, you can't suppress it to a meaningful extent. Besides, you can't do anything about the air friction. Additionally, you're using much of the internal space for a large internal weapons bay as in the F/A-22, which is going to cut speed by denying space for larger engines. If you want to have the stealth and armament of the F/A-22, you have to knock down the speed. I would suggest a Mach 1.5 supercruise, and maybe a top speed of Mach 1.7-1.9. Mach 2.1 supercruise is too high no matter how you cut it - you won't be able to pull that with turbofans and especially not with the limitations mentioned earlier. Top speed of Mach 2.7 is also squarely in the realm of non-stealthy aircraft.

The price is also a bit suspect. Though $75 million is about right for the export, the difference between that and the main one is going to be worth a heck of a lot more than $1 million. With the amount of stealth features and level of electronics you're putting into the airframe, I'm going to suggest at least $90 million. All those stealth, detection, and processing systems cost a bundle.



As for the F-15 argument, one must wonder about the quality of the aircraft there, as a modern F-15 costs over $50 million, and the F-15C still cost over $40 million ten years ago. If they're going for less than $20 million, and aren't used airframes, something's seriously wrong. And even sticking 6 F-15s against an F/A-22A will often result in 6 downed F-15s. The F/A-22 can detect, classify, and engage the enemy aircraft before they even know it's there. A modest numerical advantage doesn't help so much when the opponent has vastly superior long-range attack capabilities.

Okay, I lowered the top speed .7 mach, and the cruise speed .5 mach. I want to retain that 2.0 max speed. When I said larger diameter munitions I realle ment larger missiles. I changed it to 2 medium diameter munitions. Basically large missiles. The reason it has a large internal armorment is that is is split up into two parts, not just one big one. I has either 3 missiles on each side or 1 medium diameter one. This aircraft is fairly large, so I think it can hold that much.

Also, thanks for the help.

bump

OOC:

First off, I don't like the speed. That kind of speed is not going to be found on a truly stealthy aircraft. The F/A-22 owes much of its low radar cross-section to the intake design. For Mach 2+ flight, you need much larger, boxy intakes, that are going to make RCS skyrocket, and "low-IR" engines at that speed simply won't work. With that much thrust coming out, you can't suppress it to a meaningful extent. Besides, you can't do anything about the air friction. Additionally, you're using much of the internal space for a large internal weapons bay as in the F/A-22, which is going to cut speed by denying space for larger engines. If you want to have the stealth and armament of the F/A-22, you have to knock down the speed. I would suggest a Mach 1.5 supercruise, and maybe a top speed of Mach 1.7-1.9. Mach 2.1 supercruise is too high no matter how you cut it - you won't be able to pull that with turbofans and especially not with the limitations mentioned earlier. Top speed of Mach 2.7 is also squarely in the realm of non-stealthy aircraft.

The price is also a bit suspect. Though $75 million is about right for the export, the difference between that and the main one is going to be worth a heck of a lot more than $1 million. With the amount of stealth features and level of electronics you're putting into the airframe, I'm going to suggest at least $90 million. All those stealth, detection, and processing systems cost a bundle.



As for the F-15 argument, one must wonder about the quality of the aircraft there, as a modern F-15 costs over $50 million, and the F-15C still cost over $40 million ten years ago. If they're going for less than $20 million, and aren't used airframes, something's seriously wrong. And even sticking 6 F-15s against an F/A-22A will often result in 6 downed F-15s. The F/A-22 can detect, classify, and engage the enemy aircraft before they even know it's there. A modest numerical advantage doesn't help so much when the opponent has vastly superior long-range attack capabilities.ok let me just stop u there do fighters have active and passive counter-mesures --------!YES! so now i find that accent on BVR combat pretty stupid suffice to say. now with new engines the size is getting smaller and the intakes too but IR will encrease and air friction,but new study in laminary flow trough the air and air-ionisation ,plasma-stealth can help reduce friction and heat signatures.so maybe we could go that fast in not so far future. but f-22 is an optimum compromise aircraft so far but this ""adder"" is supose to be a little bit futuristic....now 6 downed f-15?!? hm now how many bvr rockets f-22 have?! and what about electronic countermesures , short-range rocket defence ,chaff and flare dispensers u have overrated bvr too much...bvr rockets are self-guided so computer can be tricked in many ways,on medium range perhaps thats f-22 main advantage but since new fighters are much faster than f-22 they can close the gap very fast and lock-on...

ok let me just stop u there do fighters have active and passive counter-mesures --------!YES! so now i find that accent on BVR combat pretty stupid suffice to say. now with new engines the size is getting smaller and the intakes too but IR will encrease and air friction,but new study in laminary flow trough the air and air-ionisation ,plasma-stealth can help reduce friction and heat signatures.so maybe we could go that fast in not so far future. but f-22 is an optimum compromise aircraft so far but this ""adder"" is supose to be a little bit futuristic....now 6 downed f-15?!? hm now how many bvr rockets f-22 have?! and what about electronic countermesures , short-range rocket defence ,chaff and flare dispensers u have overrated bvr too much...bvr rockets are self-guided so computer can be tricked in many ways,on medium range perhaps thats f-22 main advantage but since new fighters are much faster than f-22 they can close the gap very fast and lock-on...
A) Mach 2+ aircraft require variable area air intakes. Fact of life, deal with it: it is necessary to counter supersonic stall. By reducing the size of the intake, reduces the volume of air taken into the ducts leading to the engines. The comparative increase in volume within the ducts leads to a reduction in pressure, hence no supersonic stall within the initial compression stages of the engine.

There are three ways of having variable area intakes: ramps, spikes or boxy air intakes. F-4s have variable incidence ramp intakes, SR-71 and Mirages have spike intakes, and most 1970-vintage aircraft have box intakes. Even if made with RAM, these surfaces are very reflective in terms of radio waves.

B) Cooling engine exhaust reduces output thrust, reducing speed. It's basically doing the reverse of reheat or afterburning.

C) Engine nozzle designs. The F/A-22 2D nozzle has wide spectrum RF shielding. The "traditional" petal nozzle used on most aircraft can be designed to reduce its X to S band RCS (as in the F-35) or a similar range of bandwidths, but unless you use troughs for the exhaust as used on the YF-23, which precludes the use of TVC at least for nose-down or horizontal shifts, great reductions in nozzle RCS can't be achieved.

D) Older fighters are faster than the F/A-22, whereas newer fighters are about as fast (Rafale, Eurofighter, F/A-22, which all have fixed intakes) with the exception the high RCS Soviet fighters and French Mirages, which aren't altogether in the same realm of capabilities as the newer fighters.

E) Regarding BVR combat, with LPI radars and passive detection, which can be countered, it can be over-emphasised. But that range also needs to be bypassed, as does the within visual range (WVR) airspace in order to make kills, which is why guns are still necessary, even with (or perhaps because) helmet mounted cuing systems, and why the Russian Su-30 and variants have rear-mounted combined radar/electro-optical assemblies (NO12, etc.).

F) Plasma stealth is also likely to be overrated, and is certainly technology open to debate.

G) Su-30MK and Su-30MKI in dissimilar air-combat training with USAF F-15s performed remarkably well, and the USAF has also expressed concerns regarding the Su-30MK and Su-37 being able to use their super-manoeuvrability to sneak into the Doppler clutter of an F-15's radar to get a quick WVR kill. F-15s may be very good aircraft, but they aren't godlike, and the with modern radar's ability to perform passive detection of enemy radars at long range, the F/A-22 has a distinct BVR advantage over the F-15 (unless the latter is also equipped with AESA radar).

OOC: That's a nice picture; where'd you get it?
It can't be the same aircraft as is described, though; I see several ~90° angles on the aircraft in the picture.

I hope you don't mind all these comments!

***Transmission from the Republic of Danmarc***

On behalf of the good people of Danmarc, I am interested in making a large purchase of the RS-7 Death Adder, with the "peeping Tom" technology. I would like to order a total of 200 fighters, I understand this may take some time to complete. Also, do you have any other military hardware you are currently offering? Money will be wired upon confirmation of the order.

OOC: That's a nice picture; where'd you get it?
It can't be the same aircraft as is described, though; I see several ~90° angles on the aircraft in the picture.

I hope you don't mind all these comments!

((OCC: Well It is a pic of some Su-37s. But heck, if half the planes in NS were what the pics showed, we would have a lot of crap flying around.))

***Transmission from the Republic of Danmarc***

On behalf of the good people of Danmarc, I am interested in making a large purchase of the RS-7 Death Adder, with the "peeping Tom" technology. I would like to order a total of 200 fighters, I understand this may take some time to complete. Also, do you have any other military hardware you are currently offering? Money will be wired upon confirmation of the order.

While we are happy to sell you the RS-7. We cannot sell it with the "Peeping Tom" radar system. What we can do is offer a system that is somewhat dissimilar but 98% as effective. he price of these aircraft would be $81 million each. Enclose is our latest catalog with all our product in it.

Enclosed Catalog (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=435314)

A) Mach 2+ aircraft require variable area air intakes. Fact of life, deal with it: it is necessary to counter supersonic stall. By reducing the size of the intake, reduces the volume of air taken into the ducts leading to the engines. The comparative increase in volume within the ducts leads to a reduction in pressure, hence no supersonic stall within the initial compression stages of the engine.

There are three ways of having variable area intakes: ramps, spikes or boxy air intakes. F-4s have variable incidence ramp intakes, SR-71 and Mirages have spike intakes, and most 1970-vintage aircraft have box intakes. Even if made with RAM, these surfaces are very reflective in terms of radio waves.

B) Cooling engine exhaust reduces output thrust, reducing speed. It's basically doing the reverse of reheat or afterburning.

C) Engine nozzle designs. The F/A-22 2D nozzle has wide spectrum RF shielding. The "traditional" petal nozzle used on most aircraft can be designed to reduce its X to S band RCS (as in the F-35) or a similar range of bandwidths, but unless you use troughs for the exhaust as used on the YF-23, which precludes the use of TVC at least for nose-down or horizontal shifts, great reductions in nozzle RCS can't be achieved.

D) Older fighters are faster than the F/A-22, whereas newer fighters are about as fast (Rafale, Eurofighter, F/A-22, which all have fixed intakes) with the exception the high RCS Soviet fighters and French Mirages, which aren't altogether in the same realm of capabilities as the newer fighters.

E) Regarding BVR combat, with LPI radars and passive detection, which can be countered, it can be over-emphasised. But that range also needs to be bypassed, as does the within visual range (WVR) airspace in order to make kills, which is why guns are still necessary, even with (or perhaps because) helmet mounted cuing systems, and why the Russian Su-30 and variants have rear-mounted combined radar/electro-optical assemblies (NO12, etc.).

F) Plasma stealth is also likely to be overrated, and is certainly technology open to debate.

G) Su-30MK and Su-30MKI in dissimilar air-combat training with USAF F-15s performed remarkably well, and the USAF has also expressed concerns regarding the Su-30MK and Su-37 being able to use their super-manoeuvrability to sneak into the Doppler clutter of an F-15's radar to get a quick WVR kill. F-15s may be very good aircraft, but they aren't godlike, and the with modern radar's ability to perform passive detection of enemy radars at long range, the F/A-22 has a distinct BVR advantage over the F-15 (unless the latter is also equipped with AESA radar). 1* there can be more than 2 intakes-stealth auxilary intakes placed in behind cocpit that can be opened or closed when needed, and it not new thing..variable rpm crankshaft of 1-2st stages of compressor can also help and study of laminary flow of air as i suggested 2* yes its true but engine power is ever increasing and size and weight of it [and number of stages] reducing,and f-22 nozzle reduces thrust of engine too 3*if planes go head to head combat then nozzle is not visible to opponent! anyways,its the grownd crew and if plane is chased that this becomes a flaw. in close dogfight 3d is better than 2d and outperforms it4*soviet fighters su-37terminator and maybe raffale are very fast and strong in combat they perform same as that jsf or eurofighter whitch are overrated,and they can come close to f-22 but the window of opportunity is small.....5*bvr can be countered with automatic computer that detects and prioriteses threats and automatically responds by decoy chaff and IR dispencers keeping pilot able to do other things and with sukhoi rear hemisphere radar and ability to shoot,using rotating pylons,behind aircraft is a definitive plus. 6* plasma and ionising air technologies are debatable.. 7*indian su-30 mki outperformed f-15 and its half generation in front of it..

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didnt i saw u in above top-secret forum? anyways russians have decided to go into 2D vectorised nozzle too...with their new and real-life sukhoi t-50 prototype but it not enter service before 2011... http://img389.imageshack.us/my.php?image=t503view7ic.jpg ..and a comparison of 2 fighters ...http://img389.imageshack.us/my.php?image=f22pakfa3re7jh.jpg

Probably, I spread myself out. JackShadow would have been the name there. Wow I never even knew about that aircraft. DO you mind if I use those pics for any new aircraft that I do?

Probably, I spread myself out. JackShadow would have been the name there. Wow I never even knew about that aircraft. DO you mind if I use those pics for any new aircraft that I do?hehe hello jack ...u can use it for whatever u want in fiction but this IS a russian fighter! 1 more thing to explain in 1st picture u can see 3D nozzle but due to the 'stingers' in back of plane nozzles could not do more than +-15 degrees of vectoring left-right,so they will 90% chance go with 2D vectored thrust...1 stinger is for brake-parashute and second is for rear facing radar N-014,i havent hear of N-012? radar... in front in su-,35,mki,mkk they use [panther] N -011 radar,in SU-30 N-001 forvard facing radars.i didnt understand x and l band in russia it is like natos D? and I !!so if we could talk!? in standard KHz,MHz,GHz..the official name for radar is N-011mk2 as the indians have added their own made Tarang RWR[radar warning receiver],and HADF[high accuracy direction finding module]..