NationStates Jolt Archive

In a stunning move made by President Baker, President Baker, an ardent supporter of the nation's military, has signed in a bill in agreement with the Congress to disband the Enoclastian military. All military equipment will be stored in arsenals, all weapon-making equipment will be converted to civilian use, and soldiers will be integrated into public works projects, to help improve the non-existant infrastructure.

President Baker asks other nations to do the same.

"To improve world peace and insure the greatness of mankind, we pledge to disband our military and implore others to do the same. With your help, the world can be a better place."

The nation's military is now as follows:

Army
1 Part-time Clerk
10 Volunteers

Coast Guard
10 Coast Guard sailors

1 Patrol boat
2 row boats

Air force

2 Pilots
1 Mechanic
2 Crew/workers

1 Sopwith Camel (grounded due to lack of available parts)
1 Bell 47G

In response to Enoclastia's actions towards world peace, Muesilania (a nation in the past plagued by great wars) has announced the disarmanent of a section of its armed forces.

Their leader spoke today on the subject. "We are sceptical that this will work, although we hope it will."

When questioned on his reasons of only disarming a section of Muesilanias forces he replied saying, "A nation needs a defence. Plain and simple. When other nations begin to follow suit, we shall also completely disband the military. As a nation which has seen no less than four civil wars, three invasions and an evil dictatorship lasting for nothing short of fourty-two years, we think we are justified in our approach."

Although this is not what Enoclastia wanted, it is a step in the right direction. The plans for the disarmament of forces in Muesiliania is as follows:

To take place over the next year:

The reserve army will be disbanded. All weapons will be kept in service.
The main forces will be kept in service full time.
The tank divisions will be reduced in size by 10%.
The air force is to lose three fighters and a bomber.
The navy will remain at full strength.
Artillery divisions will remain mostly in tact, with the loss of one piece. All servicemen attached to it will be reassigned to different areas.
The national guard will stay at full strength.
"The Mobile Divisions of Muesilania" will be used for the sole purpose of peacekeeping and protecting other allied nations from attack.

This will be put into action within a months time, after the final plans for disarmament have been drawn up.

Muesilania applauds your move towards world peace.

While we applaud these efforts towards disarmament, we must regretably announce that we are to maintain our armed forces at full strength. We do this only to ensure that our nation and her citizens remain safe from the threat of Communist aggression, as well as others who would otherwise seek to harm us.

While we applaud these efforts towards disarmament, we must regretably announce that we are to maintain our armed forces at full strength. We do this only to ensure that our nation and her citizens remain safe from the threat of Communist aggression, as well as others who would otherwise seek to harm us.

Although we would rather this didn't happen, Muesiliania accepts that not every nation will agree to this (we weren't totally with it as you have seen) and that national defence is of the utmost importance.

On a seperate note, we would like to make a further point. The reserve army that has been disbanded WILL be called into action again when war wages. Also, war time conscription will take effect. This in no way means we are not continuing with disarmament.

Whilst the United Socialist Staets of Shirrad agrees with our Comrades from Enoclastia, we will not be participating with the disarmament. National security is very important to our small, but growing, nation, and if we remove our only line of defence, we leave ourselves open to attacks from more extreme right wing nations. Shirrad will, however, supoprt any supporters of the disarmament in anyway possible.

While we applaud these efforts towards disarmament, we must regretably announce that we are to maintain our armed forces at full strength. We do this only to ensure that our nation and her citizens remain safe from the threat of Communist aggression, as well as others who would otherwise seek to harm us.

Whilst the United Socialist Staets of Shirrad agrees with our Comrades from Enoclastia, we will not be participating with the disarmament. National security is very important to our small, but growing, nation, and if we remove our only line of defence, we leave ourselves open to attacks from more extreme right wing nations. Shirrad will, however, supoprt any supporters of the disarmament in anyway possible.

Well I guess its easier for myself to disband since not only is our island isolated, but hasn't been in any major conflict for over a century now. That and, I don't think anyone wants to take me over right now. Except for bauxite, coal, iron, logs and lumber, and a small but growing tourist industry, there really isn't anything here.

However, if we do reduce our forces, instead of expanding, we help bring the world closer to peace. I do understand your predicaments, and I too, haven't totally disarmed since my weapons wil remain in arsenals and not be destroyed.

However, I hope by disbanding our military and reassigning them to more constructive things such as public works projects, that our country would send a positive message to the rest of the world to build our countries inside instead of destroying other countries outside.

We also declare our neutrality, and will not take part in any actions against another unless provoked and I hope our neutrality is respected.

The Majin Ideal congratulates those nations who have decided to take the very bold and courageous step of reducing their armed forces.
However, 'The Majin Ideal' will not be doing the same. We are a young, small nation with an increasing industrial sector. We value military strength, and we would find it unwise to reduce our armed forces.

Signed:

President Jason Curtis

Ruler of 'The Majin Ideal'

We also declare our neutrality, and will not take part in any actions against another unless provoked and I hope our neutrality is respected.

Secret Communique to President Baker

Mr. President,

The Imperial Commonwealth of Malkyer has noted you efforts to contribute to the goal of world peace by disbanding your military. Though commendable, you must realize that your nation is defenseless, and any country that wishes to expand their territory and influence would find you an easy target. The Rights of Neutrals are not always respected.

In light of this situation, the Imperial Commonwealth hereby offers to defend the Incorporated States of Enoclastia from foreign invasion, within reason, in exchange for permission to construct a naval base in Enoclastia, and favorable trade concessions.

Should you accept our offer, it is our hope that the naval forces stationed in your country will prove sufficient deterent against attack, but should the situation demand more resources, we will provide them.

[signed]Harold Warowitz
Minister of Defense

From:
Channler Hadrian
President of the Greater Lands

To:
President Baker

My career began in the military. I have seen wars, I have seen blood... And that blood isn't just that of the guilty, but yet of the innocent too.

My nation, several years before, had gone through of civil war of the sort, save the government decided (My father) that a non-aggresive act was to take place. Now, I am forever unable to even visit the tiny contrabanded cross that marks were my father might lay, for I had to flee when my father didn't.

Since then, I have a strong stand in the military, and would reccomend that you do also. When other nations see "easy pickings" they grow bold, and powerful with each one they absorb. So, as a un-armed nation, it is clear that you pose a threat to the normal way of life.

I plead with you to reconsider your position.

Signed
President Channler Hadrian
Democratic Dictator of the Greater Lands

Secret Communique to President Baker

Mr. President,

The Imperial Commonwealth of Malkyer has noted you efforts to contribute to the goal of world peace by disbanding your military. Though commendable, you must realize that your nation is defenseless, and any country that wishes to expand their territory and influence would find you an easy target. The Rights of Neutrals are not always respected.

In light of this situation, the Imperial Commonwealth hereby offers to defend the Incorporated States of Enoclastia from foreign invasion, within reason, in exchange for permission to construct a naval base in Enoclastia, and favorable trade concessions.

Should you accept our offer, it is our hope that the naval forces stationed in your country will prove sufficient deterent against attack, but should the situation demand more resources, we will provide them.

[signed]Harold Warowitz
Minister of Defense

Dear Harold Warowitz,

While your offer is commendable, I must decline. Enoclastia, while an island, is all but impossible for shipping or sailing, since the waters are notoriously rough, cliffs notoriously jagged and steep, and hidden sand bars and rocks appear and disappear with great frequency, part of the reason we have been isolated for so many years.

We also cannot allow a foreign military on our soil, since it would, in theory, violate any reasonable neutrality that we hold currently. By allowing your country on our soil, we put ourselves in danger because of any future conflicts that you may have. We do understand that the naval base would be able to respond against any attack, and would be to our benefit, however we must reject such an offer, though we hope it does not strain any future communication between our nations.

From,
President Baker

<snip>

Mr. President,

My government understands your reasoning, and of course bears no grudge against you or your nation. We would welcome any further dialogue between our two countries.

Harold Warowitz
Minister of Defense

Message:

"We take this opportunity, to ask for 25% of your yearly importations, because it would be so inconveninient to our millitary..."

From:
Channler Hadrian
President of the Greater Lands

To:
President Baker

My career began in the military. I have seen wars, I have seen blood... And that blood isn't just that of the guilty, but yet of the innocent too.

My nation, several years before, had gone through of civil war of the sort, save the government decided (My father) that a non-aggresive act was to take place. Now, I am forever unable to even visit the tiny contrabanded
cross that marks were my father might lay, for I had to flee when my father
didn't.

Since then, I have a strong stand in the military, and would reccomend that you do also. When other nations see "easy pickings" they grow bold, and powerful with each one they absorb. So, as a un-armed nation, it is clear that you pose a threat to the normal way of life.

I plead with you to reconsider your position.

Signed
President Channler Hadrian
Democratic Dictator of the Greater Lands

From: President Baker
To:President Channler Hadrian

We understand your concerns, however, we must note that we are capable of handling any situation. This is our land and we know it well, and know every defensible position and everything that could be used to our advantage. We are also quite able to defend ourselves, since we will keep our arsenals.

Our military was outdated and our tax system was under too much strain and thus we saw no further reason to continue to fund such an obsolete endevour. Instead of letting a military body eat at our funds, we have decided to reorginize our military into civilian public works programs, to help improve our infrastructure, since we have no highways or railroads, only a few small ports, and one airport. This in turn will help us improve our economy, which will help improve ourselves.

We realized we can turn a military body into an effective, positive, constructive body capable of improving our citizens' lives and turn away from death and destruction. We have no need to expand, we have the perfect plans to defend, and thus the desintigration of the military was one of the best things to do. Even I, the most ardent defender of the military, having once served myself, while resisting the notion to break up the military like my predecessors, have come to the conclusion that perhaps the people are right, and I couldn't agree more.

We understand your concerns and I share your fears, but we do not let the fear of war faze us, and it is up to us to take the bold and courageous first step to true freedom from mankind's destruction.

Enoclastias recent actions towards full disarming of their military have caused much debate in Chegerava. Our former government was just planning to increase the defense budjet, but due these new events in your country, the government has been forced to resign after beeing accused of fascism and militarism. The new official line of our nation is fully pasifist.

Armed forces shall consist only 5 light brigades, trained to help police where SWAT are needed, and to provide trained personel for peace securing operations. Each brigade is to consist only somewhere near 5000 men.

We congratulate the brave nation of Enoclastia for their deeds in their way global peace and disarmament, free and better world.


Authorized Citizen, Pablo Penfirton

Mr. President,

My government understands your reasoning, and of course bears no grudge against you or your nation. We would welcome any further dialogue between our two countries.

Harold Warowitz
Minister of Defense

Dear Harold Warowitz,

We thank you for your understanding. We also welcome any dialogue from between our countries and do hope to hear from you in the future.

Sincerely,
President Baker

For a long time the Republic of Bretar has considered disarmament, but diplomatic run ins with extremist and expansionist governments have rattled us. We deeply regret to inform other nations that we will soon be expanding our military. This will remain however an entirely defensive force and will not engage in acts of aggression.
The Bretarian Home Office

Message to Enoclastia:

We ask for a mere tribute for...protectrion costs, as it would be rather unfortunate if a millitary just walked up and conquered you...

This is at the moment a working theory, but as has been the discussion for some while between some nations, disarmament will leave countries undefended. It is my idea that the UNA (Unarmed Nation Alliance) be formed, even if under a different name.

This is how it would work:
Although the nation itself has no forces, it continues to keep trained its army. Each nation that has disarmed, or partially disarmed commits this proportion of its forces into the Alliance. This new alliance force can then be used to counter attacks on unarmed nations.

This offers protection from attack and opens the option for more countries to disarm.

I would like some feedback on this idea, and approval if anybody wishes for such an organisation.

OOC: This could also form a new region with a place in the UN and so forth based on the idea of unarmed or partially unarmed nations. Any added thoughts welcome also. If I can get say 5 nations as a starting point for this new region, I shall create it.

Enoclastias recent actions towards full disarming of their military have caused much debate in Chegerava. Our former government was just planning to increase the defense budjet, but due these new events in your country, the government has been forced to resign after beeing accused of fascism and militarism. The new official line of our nation is fully pasifist.

Armed forces shall consist only 5 light brigades, trained to help police where SWAT are needed, and to provide trained personel for peace securing operations. Each brigade is to consist only somewhere near 5000 men.

We congratulate the brave nation of Enoclastia for their deeds in their way global peace and disarmament, free and better world.


Authorized Citizen, Pablo Penfirton

Dear Pablo Penfirton,

We congratulate your country, Pablo Penfirton. It is easier to hide behind metal guns and copper bullets than take the bold step towards disarmament, yet your country takes the bold step foward to lasting peace.

We salute you, and are glad to hear that some are also bold enough to walk in the footsteps of peace.

Sincerely,
President Baker

Message to Enoclastia:

We ask for a mere tribute for...protectrion costs, as it would be rather unfortunate if a millitary just walked up and conquered you...

From: President Baker
To: The government of Serapinda

While we understand your concerns, and do feel it would be unfortunate if a military tried to conquer us, we must decline your generous offer.

This is at the moment a working theory, but as has been the discussion for some while between some nations, disarmament will leave countries undefended. It is my idea that the UNA (Unarmed Nation Alliance) be formed, even if under a different name.

This is how it would work:
Although the nation itself has no forces, it continues to keep trained its army. Each nation that has disarmed, or partially disarmed commits this proportion of its forces into the Alliance. This new alliance force can then be used to counter attacks on unarmed nations.

This offers protection from attack and opens the option for more countries to disarm.

I would like some feedback on this idea, and approval if anybody wishes for such an organisation.

OOC: This could also form a new region with a place in the UN and so forth based on the idea of unarmed or partially unarmed nations. Any added thoughts welcome also. If I can get say 5 nations as a starting point for this new region, I shall create it.


OOC: Sounds like a good idea, I guess I'm in. It seems like a sound plan.

For a long time the Republic of Bretar has considered disarmament, but diplomatic run ins with extremist and expansionist governments have rattled us. We deeply regret to inform other nations that we will soon be expanding our military. This will remain however an entirely defensive force and will not engage in acts of aggression.
The Bretarian Home Office

From: President Baker
To: The Bretarian Home Office

While we disapprove of your military buildup, we do applaud that it is for defensive reasons. At least it is a step in the right direction.

From: President Baker
To: The Bretarian Home Office

While we disapprove of your military buildup, we do applaud that it is for defensive reasons. At least it is a step in the right direction.

To: President Baker
From The Bretarian Home Office

We too once shared you viewpoint, but movements such as the ACDL (anti communist defence league) deeply concern us. We worry that as a socialist goverment right wing extremists may bring us under the broad banner of communism and declare us a "Threat".
We would like to be left alone to govern as we see fit, we would love the more Tyrannical goverments to change, but we wont be forcing them to do so.

On a final note, we can only apologise, your's is a great vision, and we wish you all the best
The Bretarian Home Office

Kjata applauds your disbanding of militaries and now must conquer all of you to make sure no one is as pathetic as your people go unprotected any more!

To: President Baker
From: Nation of Yakutska

We request the right to set up mining and lumber camps within your nation, along with a military base to offer them protection. This base could also extend its reach to your nation and offer defence against any foriegn threats.

Thank you for your kind words, our brothers in Enoclastia. After intensive discussion in our parliament, government and the street cafe's, we have come to conclusion that it is best for us to seek deeper friendship from other countries, in form of an alliance. Therefore, I'm ordered to ask if our nation could join this possibly-formed alliance/region of unarmed nations.

However, regardless whether an alliance like this is to be formed, we are willing to at least establish diplomatical relations between our nations in form of an embassy exhangement.

Authorized Citizen, Pablo Penfirton

The new region has been formed. Obviously new, it has little members, but do not be discouraged. If you have agreed to the matter of disarmament of all or part of your armed forces, you are welcome.

OOC: Just click on your region name, and on that page will be a link which allows you to move to a new region. Search for "Unarmed Nations Alliance" and move there.

From Press Secretary Shin-Goji: The President of the United States of Ogaswara wholeheartedly supports its decision towards peace. However, there are nations in this world who would viciously assault a defenseless country without warning.

Therefore, President Sean Alton proposes an alliance with Enoclastia, in which the people and warriors Ogaswara will come our brothers' aid should a conflict occur.

Thank you and God Bless.

*This comes just an hour after the President had announced that the Ogaswaran Blue,White, and Red flag had been embedded on the surface of Mars.

While noble, such a move would be harmful to the Aequatian Republic both economically and culturally as the Armed Forces are very tightly intiegrated into the large businesses of the nation and that the military is an excellent career within Aequatio as well as an important part of the nation's tradition. Such a move would never be accepted by the population.

Nicklas Blüme,
President and Head of State,
Federal Republic of Aequatio

On behalf of the UNA as it stands and for all who have said they shall join but have yet to move, I thank you for your support Ogaswara.

Any other nations who wish to join our movement are welcome.

On behalf of the UNA as it stands and for all who have said they shall join but have yet to move, I thank you for your support Ogaswara.

Any other nations who wish to join our movement are welcome.

Do any of you realize what you would be commiting yourself to? Are you TRYING to start a war?

Do any of you realize what you would be commiting yourself to? Are you TRYING to start a war?

We are trying to stop war. The aim I believe is to form a band of nations who will live in peace. They will protect each other from attack if it so happens.

In what way does it sound like we are trying to start a war?

Official Republic Response

While our nation finds your goal amicable we would rather not leave ourselves completely open to invasions. How pray tell do you intend to defend yourselves if the situation arises where you are invaded?

Donald Giert, Foreign Minister.
The People's Republic of New Sans.

Thank you for your kind words, our brothers in Enoclastia. After intensive discussion in our parliament, government and the street cafe's, we have come to conclusion that it is best for us to seek deeper friendship from other countries, in form of an alliance. Therefore, I'm ordered to ask if our nation could join this possibly-formed alliance/region of unarmed nations.

However, regardless whether an alliance like this is to be formed, we are willing to at least establish diplomatical relations between our nations in form of an embassy exhangement.

Authorized Citizen, Pablo Penfirton

OOC: I think Muesilania set up a region/alliance.

IC:
Dear Pablo Penfirton,

I would like to take a moment to offer a hand of friendship to our neighbors and would agree to an embassy exchange and start to establish friendly diplomatic relations.

(OOC: This goes for you too, Muesilania)

Sincerely,
President Baker

To: President Baker
From: Nation of Yakutska

We request the right to set up mining and lumber camps within your nation, along with a military base to offer them protection. This base could also extend its reach to your nation and offer defence against any foriegn threats.

From: President Baker
To: Nation of Yakutska

We accept your proposal but under the following agreements:

1. The base be located close to the camps.

2. The soldier- to - civilian worker ratio be at most 1:5.

3. Soldiers entering in any Enoclastian towns must be unarmed and out of uniform.

4. The government receives at least 2% cut of profits from the logging and mining facilities.

5. The land be taxed $75 per acre taken.

(I am willing to nagociate however)

While noble, such a move would be harmful to the Aequatian Republic both economically and culturally as the Armed Forces are very tightly intiegrated into the large businesses of the nation and that the military is an excellent career within Aequatio as well as an important part of the nation's tradition. Such a move would never be accepted by the population.

Nicklas Blüme,
President and Head of State,
Federal Republic of Aequatio

Dear Nicklas Blüme,

While your news is troubling, I understand that as a part of your culture you require your military. My nation also has a military tradition, but realized the true potential the country has when we disbanded our military. We would fight to the last man if invaded, but we do not share the same views of having an active military and instead focus on being a more friendly nation.

From,
President Baker

From: President Baker
To: Nation of Yakutska

We accept your proposal but under the following agreements:

1. The base be located close to the camps.

2. The soldier- to - civilian worker ratio be at most 1:5.

3. Soldiers entering in any Enoclastian towns must be unarmed and out of uniform.

4. The government receives at least 2% cut of profits from the logging and mining facilities.

5. The land be taxed $75 per acre taken.

(I am willing to nagociate however)

Communique:
To: President Baker
From: The Nation of Yakutska

We can easily accept 1, 3, and 4. On issue 2, we would like a 1:2 soldier to worker ration. And on 5, we are willing to accept $60 per acre taken if the base will not protect you from invasion, but if you agree to allow it to protect, we would like to have no taxes on it.

We are trying to stop war. The aim I believe is to form a band of nations who will live in peace. They will protect each other from attack if it so happens.

In what way does it sound like we are trying to start a war?

Removing your military is a tasty thing for many countries. Gobble up you real fast and then move to the next one.

Official Republic Response

While our nation finds your goal amicable we would rather not leave ourselves completely open to invasions. How pray tell do you intend to defend yourselves if the situation arises where you are invaded?

Donald Giert, Foreign Minister.
The People's Republic of New Sans.

Dear Donald Giert,

I have disbanded the military but the men are still trained, obviously (they didn't forget I hope), we still have our weapons arsenal, and my country is surrounded by the choppiest and roughest seas, impossibly jagged and steep cliffs, and other natural barriers which leaves us isolated, hence why our economy is 'fragile'. The new alliance will also defend ourselves as necessary.

However, beng non-aggressive neutral nations, we can accomedate summit meetings between two or more nations, relay official messages to opposing forces in times of war, be a neutral nation to sign peace treaties in, and because its more profitable to rebuild than destroy, we do that also. We cover the various niches that many warmongering nations miss.

Sincerely,
President Baker

Kjata applauds your disbanding of militaries and now must conquer all of you to make sure no one is as pathetic as your people go unprotected any more!

OOC: Do you plan to make good on those threats, or were you just scaring him?

Removing your military is a tasty thing for many countries. Gobble up you real fast and then move to the next one.

OOC: That is an idiotic way of some players, yeah, but mostly newbies who just want to type "I PWN3D YOU MWHAHAHAA!!!111 :sniper: :sniper: :sniper: "
and who can be easily beaten by IGNORE-cannon. As you must understand, knowing how huge the NS world is, knowing the distances and logistical difficulties AND knowing even something about real world and diplomacy, it is very hard for someone to just jump from their boats and take over. However, to larger nations this is possible, and if they even play it well, work for their post's and make it impossible to ignore, then isn't it better to make an alliance? That should make it a harder target, and force those possible invaders to think twice.

If there still is someone willing to attack, then, whattehell! Let's RP it over and see what happens! personally, I think that the invader would be crushed as there is quite a number of strong democratic nations willing to help in such situation.

OOC: That is an idiotic way of some players, yeah, but mostly newbies who just want to type "I PWN3D YOU MWHAHAHAA!!!111 :sniper: :sniper: :sniper: "
and who can be easily beaten by IGNORE-cannon. As you must understand, knowing how huge the NS world is, knowing the distances and logistical difficulties AND knowing even something about real world and diplomacy, it is very hard for someone to just jump from their boats and take over. However, to larger nations this is possible, and if they even play it well, work for their post's and make it impossible to ignore, then isn't it better to make an alliance? That should make it a harder target, and force those possible invaders to think twice.

If there still is someone willing to attack, then, whattehell! Let's RP it over and see what happens! personally, I think that the invader would be crushed as there is quite a number of strong democratic nations willing to help in such situation.

Not exactly my point I was trying to make. Terrorists, psychos with guns, insurgents, anything and everything can take over your country. If you have no military and all the weapons I could have 5 guys hold your nation hostage with a SINGLE nuke I grabbed from your unprotected silo. Disbanding your military is STUPID!

Dear Donald Giert,

I have disbanded the military but the men are still trained, obviously (they didn't forget I hope), we still have our weapons arsenal, and my country is surrounded by the choppiest and roughest seas, impossibly jagged and steep cliffs, and other natural barriers which leaves us isolated, hence why our economy is 'fragile'. The new alliance will also defend ourselves as necessary.

However, beng non-aggressive neutral nations, we can accomedate summit meetings between two or more nations, relay official messages to opposing forces in times of war, be a neutral nation to sign peace treaties in, and because its more profitable to rebuild than destroy, we do that also. We cover the various niches that many warmongering nations miss.

Sincerely,
President Baker

This maybe true, but not all military powers will be detered by natural conditions, and as it seems may only need to blockade you and bomb your industrial/agricultural centers. If they cannot invade you they will strangle you instead. The only time nations will all truely disarm is if they trust each other, but unfortunatly for us no matter how much we want to think otherwise there will be paroniod gung ho nations out there willing to threaten others existances. Our nation wishes you well on your endevour however and hopes that you can at least remain a bastion of peace in this tumultous time.

Donald Giert, Foreign Minister.
The People's Republic of New Sans.

Not exactly my point I was trying to make. Terrorists, psychos with guns, insurgents, anything and everything can take over your country. If you have no military and all the weapons I could have 5 guys hold your nation hostage with a SINGLE nuke I grabbed from your unprotected silo. Disbanding your military is STUPID!

OOC: Ever heard about police? Security troops? SWAT? Border Guards? Militia? Carabinieers? Military Police? The list goes on.
Besides, I still kept 25,000 troops and even Enoclastia is keeping some. We all have more than enough to keep ourselves safe from internal threats.

King Voxis applauds your disbanding of militaries and is happy to announce his plan to double the military funding in The Kingdom of Voxio.

OOC: Ever heard about police? Security troops? SWAT? Border Guards? Militia? Carabinieers? Military Police? The list goes on.
Besides, I still kept 25,000 troops and even Enoclastia is keeping some. We all have more than enough to keep ourselves safe from internal threats.

(Edit: OOC:) Police? Security troops? SWAT? Border Guards? Militia? Carabinieers? Military Police? What are these, I've never heard of them. Are they candy? I like candy.

Joking...I think.

HA, HA, HA.

Laughing.... I think.

OOC: Ever heard about police? Security troops? SWAT? Border Guards? Militia? Carabinieers? Military Police? The list goes on.
Besides, I still kept 25,000 troops and even Enoclastia is keeping some. We all have more than enough to keep ourselves safe from internal threats.

Hmm...Military Police...isn't that part of the military? Militia, depends on meaning but:

An army composed of ordinary citizens rather than professional soldiers.
A military force that is not part of a regular army and is subject to call for service in an emergency.
The whole body of physically fit civilians eligible by law for military service.

So no you cannot have that either. Carabiniers? You mean Carabineers: A soldier armed with a carbine? Nope.

Swat and police are also not military equipped and won't stop a psycho in a tank. Border guards CAN be military so it that is probably a no-no. To disband your forces and keep the weapons means that maintaince and other needed things like supplies and transportation is reduced to nothing. Even a fraction of a military force (under .01% population) will not stop or protect your lands.

President Alton: READ MY LIPS, the full military resources of Ogaswara, including its fleets of Battlestars, stands ready to defend the peace-loving nations of the world, in hope others follow their example.

President Alton hands the bullhorn down to Commander Adama and descends the M42A5 heavy tank, weighing over 15 tons, capable of 65 mph, and bearing a main armament of two 16 inch liquid-propellant rifles. There are close to 1,500 of these "Angilas" super tanks in the Army.

President Alton: READ MY LIPS, the full military resources of Ogaswara, including its fleets of Battlestars, stands ready to defend the peace-loving nations of the world, in hope others follow their example.

President Alton hands the bullhorn down to Commander Adama and descends the M42A5 heavy tank, weighing over 15 tons, capable of 65 mph, and bearing a main armament of two 16 inch liquid-propellant rifles. There are close to 1,500 of these "Angilas" super tanks in the Army.

This is modern tech, not future-tech. Let the big boys talk in peace ok? You are violent, corrupt and just begging for my future-tech force to erradicate you from Nationstates by threatening MT nations and claiming you can support 15 ton tanks that go 65 MPH that have super rifles that are 16 inch. In theory you fire and your gun will go through the tank or shoot backwards into another object or the ground. You might want to make your uber-uber-doomsday-chaos-UBER-SUPER-MEGA-TANKS'O-DEATH work or possible before you threaten a MT nation.

Official Communique

The Empire commends the nation of Enoclastia in its quest for peace, but we have painfully learned that the best way of peace lies in the expression sic vi pacem, para bellum.

Regards
Imperial Government of Cotland



OOC: Translation = if you want peace, prepare for war

Official Communique

The Empire commends the nation of Enoclastia in its quest for peace, but we have painfully learned that the best way of peace lies in the expression sic vi pacem, para bellum.

Regards
Imperial Government of Cotland



OOC: Translation = if you want peace, prepare for war

Ah yes, a truly wonderful belief that holds true nicely. Though to stop war you most FULLY conquer the other and then have a beautiful strong regime in which peace and prosperity is secure and grows unlike the individual states before the war. Such is another fact of peace.

Hmm...Military Police...isn't that part of the military? Militia, depends on meaning but:

An army composed of ordinary citizens rather than professional soldiers.
A military force that is not part of a regular army and is subject to call for service in an emergency.
The whole body of physically fit civilians eligible by law for military service.

So no you cannot have that either. Carabiniers? You mean Carabineers: A soldier armed with a carbine? Nope.

Swat and police are also not military equipped and won't stop a psycho in a tank. Border guards CAN be military so it that is probably a no-no. To disband your forces and keep the weapons means that maintaince and other needed things like supplies and transportation is reduced to nothing. Even a fraction of a military force (under .01% population) will not stop or protect your lands.


...Oh please! Im not sure about the word (my English is not as good as I'd want it to be) but the dictionary say that "pedant" means a guy like you. You twist, make escuses and, well, write quite a load of nonsense.

You are, though, right about the MP. It is part of the army. Militia, however, is not excluded as Enoclastia said that his ex-soldiers are still ready to defend their country. Just give rifles to them, and those "5 maniacs with guns" will be easily dealt with. SWAT and ordinary police, armed with SMG's and shotguns perhaps, is also perfectly capable of taking down INTERNAL THREATS. Rioters or those Gunmen aren't likely driving an MBT.
With Carabiniers I meant those paramilitary, police-like but better armed troops of Italy and France, called Carabinieri. That no-no about border guard is also silly, as they AREN'T necessarily military, and he didn't say that they were disbanded. With security troops I meant government's special troops, like those in Russia, but guess they are too close to armed force for Enoclastia or me.

Nonetheless, my point was that IT IS VERY EASY to guard those unused weapons and supplies, keep the streets secured and the borders guarded without army personell. Easier with it of course, but still.

Due to increased concerns about piracy from these alliances, we ask you to increase Coast Guard funding. We are afraid that lack of a Navy would serve to make piracy more common.

-Minister of Economics

...Oh please! Im not sure about the word (my English is not as good as I'd want it to be) but the dictionary say that "pedant" means a guy like you. You twist, make escuses and, well, write quite a load of nonsense.

You are, though, right about the MP. It is part of the army. Militia, however, is not excluded as Enoclastia said that his ex-soldiers are still ready to defend their country. Just give rifles to them, and those "5 maniacs with guns" will be easily dealt with. SWAT and ordinary police, armed with SMG's and shotguns perhaps, is also perfectly capable of taking down INTERNAL THREATS. Rioters or those Gunmen aren't likely driving an MBT.
With Carabiniers I meant those paramilitary, police-like but better armed troops of Italy and France, called Carabinieri. That no-no about border guard is also silly, as they AREN'T necessarily military, and he didn't say that they were disbanded. With security troops I meant government's special troops, like those in Russia, but guess they are too close to armed force for Enoclastia or me.

Nonetheless, my point was that IT IS VERY EASY to guard those unused weapons and supplies, keep the streets secured and the borders guarded without army personell. Easier with it of course, but still.

A harsh response to dictionary definations. Though a small military force WILL destroy you in a blitzkrieg style of combat. The defenses are way to low and the stockpiles are just too ideal to not try and get at to make any force terrorist or military forces have more pressure over you.

Hmm..I seem to remember a similar discussion over terrorist and Russian Missile Silos being an easier target since the fall of the Soviet Union and the reduction of military forces.

OOC: Let's not forget that he is an island thus has no bordering nations.

And Enoclastia, are you just throwing these weapons into warehouses and locking them up? If so, how many warehouses?

A harsh response to dictionary definations. Though a small military force WILL destroy you in a blitzkrieg style of combat. The defenses are way to low and the stockpiles are just too ideal to not try and get at to make any force terrorist or military forces have more pressure over you.

Hmm..I seem to remember a similar discussion over terrorist and Russian Missile Silos being an easier target since the fall of the Soviet Union and the reduction of military forces.

WE WEREN'T TALKING ABOUT HOSTILE NATION, DUDE! I was talking about something from the inside. Not enemy army. I thought it was pretty clear and obvious

EDIT: Enoclast has no nuclear silos, and even if he did, there would still be enough forces (police, some kind of an special guard) to protect them from thiefs.

NOTICE~~~~~~

In response to Enoclastias statement the T.E. has announced it will disband all 5 northern units and 3 Empire units (ready to rejoin if we get into a war and they are needed) altogether holding 20% of our army!!

Thank you!!!

This is modern tech, not future-tech. Let the big boys talk in peace ok? You are violent, corrupt and just begging for my future-tech force to erradicate you from Nationstates by threatening MT nations and claiming you can support 15 ton tanks that go 65 MPH that have super rifles that are 16 inch. In theory you fire and your gun will go through the tank or shoot backwards into another object or the ground. You might want to make your uber-uber-doomsday-chaos-UBER-SUPER-MEGA-TANKS'O-DEATH work or possible before you threaten a MT nation.

Listen, Battlestars have been around since the late seventies, and ours have been updated, pal. One can wipe out your nation faster than a liberal can think of an insult against Bush!

And our Angilas tanks have 6 INCH guns. That was a typo.

We Will Defend Peace And Its Followers.

We Will Defend Peace And Its Followers.

There was a problem with the forum when posting...

If your pop is under a billion; go home. You won't win. In case if you are future-tech and using battlestars as a double meaning, I know how to stop them. Surprising that so few people know of them, but they are a threat.

Never!

We will fight if necessary!

Busy with other matters, President Copeland only had this short, cryptic message for President Baker after reading his initial announcement:

Official Transmission
To: President Baker
From: President Copeland

It is foolish to disarm when there are enemies about.

Madnestan needs her weapons, so we can't take part in this hippie-movement. However, we are strongly against bullying the smaller ones, and are determined to defend them - especially Chegerava because of our special treaty - from mean, agressive and imperialist nations.

You're fucking with these little ones, you're will fucking with me, too.


Colonel-Warchief Tamujid, Minister of Everything in
Armed Republic of Madnestan

Welcome to the good fight, my brothers.

Welcome to the good fight, my brothers.

The good fight, you reckon your right on this. Well, until you accept man's duel nature you will always think its a good or evil fight. I'd be careful of what you say by the way. When a nation is so much larger then you with such a higher tech can fall on you, you still would fight the small ones.

The good fight, you reckon your right on this. Well, until you accept man's duel nature you will always think its a good or evil fight. I'd be careful of what you say by the way. When a nation is so much larger then you with such a higher tech can fall on you, you still would fight the small ones.


OOC: Kjata Major, plese make the difference between OOC and IC. Which one is this, your nation's or your personal opinion? If they are same, please still make sure that everybody can see which one is speaking.

OOC: Kjata Major, plese make the difference between OOC and IC. Which one is this, your nation's or your personal opinion? If they are same, please still make sure that everybody can see which one is speaking.

OOC:
I guess it wasn't obvious I was speaking in OOC cause I made numerous references to FT nations and tech that doesn't exist in MT. I didn't know that it was too hard to tell. Eh, thanks for the feedback. Though if you know I have my IC reports, very cruel, Kjata (the god) is evil, and everyone else is hooded figures that obey her command. Ruthless and religious, they are cruel and intelligent, but I cannot use the remarks here.

OOC: Oh, my bad! Didn't read your previous post's, sorry.
Still I think it's always good to tell it in the post itself, though.

To clear up any confusion, President Taylor released this statement to all nations involved earlier today:

"Muesiliania is a protector of peace and the UNA (along with forces from other member nations). It has also only partially disarmed troops.

We would like to thank all nations who offer protection at no cost, and are extremely pleased with this. We also want to thank nations who offer protection at a cost.

In response to various threats issued against member nations, we would like to say that your attacks will not go undefended.

Muesilania would also like to announce that the new unit, the "MSF" (Military Strike Force) is ready for action. This unit is a small, extremely well trained and equipped force capable of striking a wide range of targets with great effectiveness. It will be able to counteract terrorism, route out and destroy attacks from within and also has the ability to be a fully active military unit in the case of invasion or attack, or a unit for policing (OOC: similar to SWAT).

We thank all who have taken a step to peace, and all who have vowed to protect peace.

We are ready.

We are ready.

OOC: Am I missing something? I didn't get the meaning of this, or its context.

We are ready to fight with every fiber of our being and every ounce of strength.

Listen, Battlestars have been around in people's imagination since the late seventies, and ours have been updated, pal. One can let me godmod and laugh, as everyone ignored me, your nation faster than a liberal can think of an insult against Bush!

And our Angilas tanks have 6 INCH guns. That was a typo.

Fixed.

Fixed.

Uh, what are you doing?

While Euroslovakia applauds Enoclastia's movement, along with other nations, the Democratic Republic regretfully admits that it cannot follow along that path. We would feel too insecure without a military, as we realize we are growing in a hostile environment.

The Democratic Republic wishes all nations that take this bold step toward peace luck and prosperity.

-The Euroslovakian President

Muesilania would remind all nations that although we do not expect a complete disarmament of your military, like myself, you could take the option to disarm a percentage of your military.

We do however support you in any decision you make, and feel your choice is well founded.

You stole our acronym and initials. We will contact you on this.

OOC: That is an idiotic way of some players, yeah, but mostly newbies who just want to type "I PWN3D YOU MWHAHAHAA!!!111 :sniper: :sniper: :sniper: "
and who can be easily beaten by IGNORE-cannon. As you must understand, knowing how huge the NS world is, knowing the distances and logistical difficulties AND knowing even something about real world and diplomacy, it is very hard for someone to just jump from their boats and take over. However, to larger nations this is possible, and if they even play it well, work for their post's and make it impossible to ignore, then isn't it better to make an alliance? That should make it a harder target, and force those possible invaders to think twice.

If there still is someone willing to attack, then, whattehell! Let's RP it over and see what happens! personally, I think that the invader would be crushed as there is quite a number of strong democratic nations willing to help in such situation.

OOC: Well then, let us rock.

IC:

To take advantage of the newly weakened state of Enoclastia, the first Mobie Inbfantry division has been mobilised, and deployed, to protect the people of that poor nation from their leaders folly.

OOC:

1 MI division contains twice the standard number of troops, and an Armor battalion, capable of landing and deploying from almost anywhere... Ain't VTOLs grand?

Upon hearing of this amazing turn of events, I, the Prime Minister of the United States of Southeastasia, along with my fellow people are left stunned and speechless. Though we believe in diplomacy, I assure you this is suicidal for your nation, President Baker. You should have cut only half of your military spendings, not all of it completely! Think you can trust private militias to defend Ecoclastia? Good luck.