NationStates Jolt Archive

Since 1900 Ukraine has not had any problems with Russia. Ukraine was just another state. But today was different. The people of Ukraine declared freedom and Independence from Russia. They had sent a decleration to the Russian Leader saying:

We ,the people of Ukraine, are issuing Independence from Russia so that we may self-govern. We yurn to be free and will agree to any terms of agreements from Russia as long as we may self-govern and do what we please. We understand that russia is more powerful and that we want to work with them in any thing they need. We will agree to the following:
1. We will allow any Russian military on our land.
2. We will stay allies with Russia.
3. Anything that is ever needed by Russia Ukraine will support and help out.
We will submit to any other demands as long as we may self-govern how we se fit.


This was the message sent to the Russian government.

OOC: haha good luck with that...i hoppe you read how he crushed the lithuanian revolts though

OOC: haha good luck with that...i hoppe you read how he crushed the lithuanian revolts though

OOC: hahaha I did but hey dosen't everyoner like a little violence. Plus I will submit to all his demands as long as I may self-govern. So i'm basically like his Puerto Rico if he lets me go.

ooc: haha puerto rico...the new poland!

OOC: hahahaha hey Ukraine didn't get freedom until the USSR colapsed in 1991 so I think i should be able to get freedom sooner. This way i'm not fucked untill 1994

Bump to Russia. If he dosen't respond soon I'm going to assume Independence as my own country.

OOC: At least give him a few more days. You kinda jumped the gun a tad.

Parthini']OOC: At least give him a few more days. You kinda jumped the gun a tad.

OOC: AA Well your right. Yeah I will give him till 10:30 PM tomarow I'm impatient because I'm mad and bored. (Fucking Ex-Girlfriend)

bump for Russia's response

bump Russia's response

bump for Russia'a freaking response.

OoC: I just saw this (you really should have telegrammed me), and have otherwise been seriously busy in the RW, as well. Although you haven't been confirmed as a player (and, ironically, I'm the one that's supposed to do that), but your enthusiasm, I think, has effectively established your claim, and I'll confirm it shortly. Send me a telegram concerning your leaders and some general information regarding your movement. Given the personality of present Tsar, violence is almost certainly inevitable, but even assuming that negotiations do break down, in such cases I like to try to work the basic outlines of the conflict with the other player beforehand.

Troop Dispositions

The Black Sea Squadron returns to Odessa on High Alert, in order to protect the port, shipyards, and the naval installations generally.
Meanwhile, the 7th and 8th Army Corps, along with the Kherson Disciplinary Battalion, 4th Field Gendarme Squadron, and the Odessa Local Brigade have been mobilized in the vicinity of Odessa, while the Fortresses at Sevastopol, Kerch, Ochakov, and Bender have been placed on High Alert.
In the rest of Little Russia, the 9th Army Corps, 10th Army Corps, 11th Army Corps, 12th Army Corps, 21st Army Corps; 3rd Field Gendarme Squadorn; 3rd Cavalry Replacement Brigade, 2nd Railway Brigade, Dubno Disciplinary Battalion, the Kiev Local Brigade, the Poltava Local Brigade, and the Kharkov Local Brigade have all been mobilized, and the Kiev Fortress has also been placed on High Alert.
Finally, five Regiments of Don Cossacks have been mobilized and dispatched to Little Russia, along with all six Sotnyas, in order to patrol the region and keep His Majesty's peace. Vast quantities of Okhrana agents will be pouring into the area, as well.

The one sign of possible hope for peace is the dispatch from Sankt-Peterburg of Grand Duke Mikhail as Governor-General of Kiev. Although he is the brother of the Tsar, Mikhail is also a liberal, and known to be sympathetic to the Neo-Slavist philosophy (which has as its goal the autonomy of all Slavic peoples, under Russian hegemony, rather than the Pan-Slavist goal of Russian rule over all Slavs everywhere). For the moment, consider police activity to very heavy, and if there is any trouble, retribution will be swift and severe.

bump I have no clue what to put.

A Freedom rally in Lz'um,Ukraine to promote freedom and convince the Russian government to free them. Damek Necromund and Zuza Fregure stepped up on stage and Damek began to speak.

"Freedom! It's not time to rebel but time to compromise. We want Liberty not blood. Peace not gore. Self-Government not war. The Russian Government must feel the same as war is unnessecary when agreement rises above all."

Damek Steps away from the podium and Zuza steps up.

"We want freedom!!!!!!" the crowd screams an yells. "The Russian government must be sensible and let us pull away and self-govern. They do all they can to save their right to self-govern but strip it from others which this is beyond hipocritical it's just ludacris. We must not act in violence but in peace. We must get the russians attention to let us go."


Another demonstration in Kiev was cancelled do to rain but flags flew and banners were still up as Ukraine was showing a great sign of nationalism as they were not yet a nation of their own.

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OoC: Didn't really follow my advice, did you? Instead of trying to quietly contact sympathetic politicians in St. Petersburg and Kiev, and there are plenty, and instead of being patient (I mentioned a few weeks, not days), you're holding demonstrations. It doesn't matter whether they're peaceful or not--they're an open defiance of the Tsar's authority, at a time when war is looming in the West. I have too much on my plate right now to deal with this nonsense, as well.

IC: On orders of Grand Duke Vladimir, as Regent in the absence of Nikolai, the Cossacks came to [there is no such place as Lz'um that I know of, so wherever the demonstrations were actually held--maybe you were thinking of Lvov].
The mass arrests and shootings began.
Those who survived were deported to Siberia, their lands seized by the government, their families dispossessed and disgraced. The ban on the use of the Ukrainian language was renewed, and the following proclamation was issued:

In the Name of the Tsar of All the Russias.
Since the Creation of the World, Almighty God has divided men into their separate races and tribes. The Lord has never, in the history of man, created one people from out of another. There is no "Ukrainian" nation, there never has been, and there never will be. There is ONE RUSSIAN PEOPLE, under God and the Tsar, indivisible unto the End of Time. Only Godless Communists and Christian-hating Jews would even attempt to separate Kiiv from Moskva, and thus from Holy Russia herself. Do not trust such people! They will laugh as you burn in Hell for treason against the Tsar who loves you! Report All Agitators! Russia rewards her loyal children, as God Himself will save only the Faithful.

His Highness, the Regent Grand Duke Vladimir Aleksandrovich Romanov.

All further expressions of Ukrainian nationalism, including use of the language, are punishable by deportation to Siberia, or death. Grand Duke Mikhail resigns his commission in disgust, while the Regent Vladimir appoints none other than the merciless Stolypin as Inspector-Plenipotentiary. Stolypin institutes land reform to benefit the the peasants, and allows for local self-government councils to be elected, but the Army remains on alert, and thousands are arrested and deported.

OoC: Any more impatience will result in genocide. I hope I've made myself clear. My advice, however, still stands--there remain sympathetic ears in St. Petersburg. You can find some names on Wikipedia, like Sazonov, or probably Witte himself. But no more demonstrations will be tolerated, no agitation, and [b]do not[b] have any expectation of independence before, say, 1907 at the earliest, assuming you do everything right.

OOC: Lz'um is a place in Ukraine it's in all 3 of my atlases just for future reference.

the American Press takes the time to write blood curdling stories about the Russian atrocities in the Ukraine (ooc remember this is the time of Yellow Journalism) before going back to bashing the Germans some more.

Its brave playing as Russia Vas. the potential for Insurgent states is amazing. Ukraine is just one. what about Byelorussia. does that mean white russia. if so what was byelo rus called before the revolution. I assume it had a different name....

Dear Sergei Lulevich Witte,

We the people of Ukraine wish to only express our desire to free. We hope that you may help us in our quest as we will submit to anything as long as we have the power to self-govern. We wish to help Russia and support her but also pull away. We will do anything to help mother Russia. We are loyal to her. All we request is that we pull away enough to self-govern our selves and that is all. We honestly do not wish conflict but peace. We want Peace not war and hate. We are peaceful people not ravaging barbaric apes. We just want to br free and self-govern as we see fit. You are a outstanding politician so maybe you could please help us in our quest for Liberty and freedom.

Sincerely,
The Ukranian People.


OOC: While i'm still struggling for freedom if a war occurs in which Russia is in may I use the Ukrainian army. It of course is more like a couple squads like 2 under Russia's control but I really have nothin better to do.

We the United States of America fully support Ukraine being free and will do whatever we can to help.

We the United States of America fully support Ukraine being free and will do whatever we can to help.

OOC: Are you controlling Galveston Bay and New SHiron also

OOC: Yeah

OOC: Yeah

OOC: OK

IC: We will accept all help propose. We yurn for freedom and that is all we want. We would like to know that if it god for bid, does come to a war we would like to know if you would help us in our quest for freedom.

Dear Sergei Lulevich Witte,

We the people of Ukraine wish to only express our desire to free. We hope that you may help us in our quest as we will submit to anything as long as we have the power to self-govern. We wish to help Russia and support her but also pull away. We will do anything to help mother Russia. We are loyal to her. All we request is that we pull away enough to self-govern our selves and that is all. We honestly do not wish conflict but peace. We want Peace not war and hate. We are peaceful people not ravaging barbaric apes. We just want to br free and self-govern as we see fit. You are a outstanding politician so maybe you could please help us in our quest for Liberty and freedom.

Sincerely,
The Ukranian People.


OOC: While i'm still struggling for freedom if a war occurs in which Russia is in may I use the Ukrainian army. It of course is more like a couple squads like 2 under Russia's control but I really have nothin better to do.

OoC: Now this will probably work. I'd say Premier Witte will argue with the Regent Vladimir heatedly, but no less an authority than the ruthless Governor-General Stolypin himself will appear as an unlikely ally of allowing Ukraine self-determination within the context of a Greater Russian Commonwealth.
Considering there's a shooting war, and the last thing Sankt-Peterburg wants is a Slavic rebellion, on the front, during a war fought for the very cause of Slavic freedom, I think we can tentatively allow the organization of local elections for, say, the beginning of next year.
We've got some negotiations to settle out, such as what your autonomy will actually mean, but since you're offering an alliance and allowing Imperial troops free passage and the continued use of Ukraine's ports, I don't see a lot to argue about.
More will be forthcoming.
Za Mir!

One more thing. I don't know who this "Hitler the Nazi" is, but he's not even in E20, and he's definitely not Galveston Bay/New Shiron, who's got a lot more class and taste than that. Ignore the punk.

The Ukrainian Position

1. We will allow any Russian military on our land.
2. We will stay allies with Russia.
3. Anything that is ever needed by Russia Ukraine will support and help out.
We will submit to any other demands as long as we may self-govern how we see fit

The Russian Response
We will accept these, with the provisions that:
1. The Tsar of Russia will remain the titular King [Russian: Tsar] of the Ukraine, as Head of State. The Ukrainian Head of Government may be selected by whatever methods the Ukrainian People may choose for their Constitution.
2. There shall be a Customs Union and Common Citizenship between the two states, as well as provisions for the Extradition of Criminals.
3. Ukraine will be allowed to set its own internal policies, and to collect and spend its own revenues. Foreign policy, however, will follow that of the Russian Empire.
4. Ukrainians currently serving in the Russian Imperial Army will continue to do so. For the time being, there will remain one Imperial Army for both states, though the Ukrainian government, when it is formed, may begin raising a Militia for keeping internal peace and the security of their frontiers. The Russian Empire will retain ownership and use of all current Imperial military bases.
5. The territories of the Ukrainian Government are defined as [totally ooc: those of 2005, including places like Lvov, which are theoretically Austrian at this point in the game. Bessarabia/Moldova already has an autonomous government, as well.]

The Ukrainian Position

1. We will allow any Russian military on our land.
2. We will stay allies with Russia.
3. Anything that is ever needed by Russia Ukraine will support and help out.
We will submit to any other demands as long as we may self-govern how we see fit

The Russian Response
We will accept these, with the provisions that:
1. The Tsar of Russia will remain the titular King [Russian: Tsar] of the Ukraine, as Head of State. The Ukrainian Head of Government may be selected by whatever methods the Ukrainian People may choose for their Constitution.
2. There shall be a Customs Union and Common Citizenship between the two states, as well as provisions for the Extradition of Criminals.
3. Ukraine will be allowed to set its own internal policies, and to collect and spend its own revenues. Foreign policy, however, will follow that of the Russian Empire.
4. Ukrainians currently serving in the Russian Imperial Army will continue to do so. For the time being, there will remain one Imperial Army for both states, though the Ukrainian government, when it is formed, may begin raising a Militia for keeping internal peace and the security of their frontiers. The Russian Empire will retain ownership and use of all current Imperial military bases.
5. The territories of the Ukrainian Government are defined as [totally ooc: those of 2005, including places like Lvov, which are theoretically Austrian at this point in the game. Bessarabia/Moldova already has an autonomous government, as well.]

"These demands are ratified and accepted by the Ukrainian people and agree to all terms stated but we have one question. The rule on Foreign Policy does that mean we may not send Ambassadors to another country? We are pretty sure it dosen't but want to make sure. We will begin elections immediatly."

Sorry it took so long to get back to you. As you can imagine, I've been a little preoccupied.
Yes, you may have your own ambassadors. But they must follow Russian military policy (e.g., we're at war with the same people and have alliances withe the same people). Trade agreements and such can probably be worked out more independently.
And, sadly, I'm going to unilaterally delay granting to you the full use of Ukrainian revenues--this war is taking longer than I had anticipated, and is more expensive than I was expecting, as well. I will, however, agree to cover your administrative costs for the autonomous government, as well as the most necessary expenditures of your government's policies. My apologies. As economic reform takes root in Russia I will give you back more and more of your own revenues until you receive full budgetary independence, but it may take a few years.

It is ok we will do anything for Mother Russia.

may i get the link for the war Ukraine has raised a 1000 man militia considering the populace is somewhere about like million or 2 at the time this I would expect to be reasonable. We will help.

Don't worry about it. I have millions of men on the Front already, many of whom are Ukrainian soldiers in the Imperial Army. The best thing that Ukraine can do for the war effort is to be happy and free, and show the Czechs, Slovaks, Croats, Slovenes, and Bosnians that the Russian Empire truly does come to free them.

Mongolia wishes to open relations with Ukraine.

what do you wish to speak of?

Mongolia would like to open trade with Ukraine. We also request aid from Ukraine should talks with China fail.

Mongolia would like to open trade with Ukraine. We also request aid from Ukraine should talks with China fail.
Well the ukrainian Militia has been raised to 10,000 men and going strong. If you deckare an alliance with Ukraine AND Mother Russia we will support you against China if negotiations break down and yiou will have full open trade with Ukraine. Is it a deal?

Russia recognizes us, but cannot give support at this time. We hope that China grants independence. I would hate to see bloodshed.

Yes. We understand. We will not announce trade or anything this way we do not get in conflict with China ourselves. We will support you IF WE CAN if negotiations fail. If you are granted independence we will hope for that alliance.

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Russia does not recognize Mongolia. He's either guilty of wilful misrepresentation or severe wishful thinking. Don't encourage him--the last thing I need right now is some damn land war in Asia on behalf of a handful of impoverished illiterate Tartars. If anything, right now I'm more inclined to send troops into Mongolia to punish him for his lies.

In the future, don't believe what others say about Russia without checking with me.

As for the Ukraine, the Imperial Commonwealth Elections will be held in January (Monday). After that, we'll begin returning your revenues and granting an independent command structure to the Ukrainian military. These poicies will be phased in over a period of several years (weeks), however, as we rebuild our economy and military from the effects of the War of Liberation.

ok and I never believed him that you recognized him I was gunna turn on him and kick his ass with China. China is huge.

Russia: Sorry about the misunderstanding. You did not make it clear whether or not you recognized us. I thought you did.

Ukraine: When you say you were going to turn on us, was that OOC, IC, or Secret IC?