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The Media Circus (Complete with Three Rings)

Here is where you can debate Paul Kaufman's contributions to the world. Have fun!

OOC: This is to keep the Trial thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=435753) free for trial business. ;)

For me, Kaufman only killed terrorist, protecting his right to power. Therefore he is innocent of genocide etc. This was just a excuse for nations to thieve him of the money he stole (which he is guilty of).

For me, Kaufman only killed terrorist, protecting his right to power. Therefore he is innocent of genocide etc. This was just a excuse for nations to thieve him of the money he stole (which he is guilty of).OOC: For my part, the money was only a means to get Kaufman himself.

For Allemande, it's all about getting justice for our dead citizens. As far as the rest, he was a loathsome tyrant and deserved to be toppled. To bad his replacement (Jack Norton) likely isn't any better.

OOC:... wait, what happened? Did I miss something about Torontia?

OOC:... wait, what happened? Did I miss something about Torontia?OHHHHH, YES!

Your boy blew it. He called for elections and lost (well, actually, I stuffed the ballot box, but that's irrelevant). He fled the country for Leafanistan and I bribed the Leafanistanis to hand him over.

He's now in Allemande facing charges (31 counts of conspiracy to commit murder).

That "commie" Jack Norton is in charge of Torontia. If you'd like to overthrow him and establish a saner fascist dictatorship, we'll claim to be busy doing something else (like trying Paul Kaufman, maybe?).

Think of the children. ;)

OOC:Or... hmmm... I know... do you mind if I try to crash the trial with unmarked special forces?

OOC:... wait, what happened? Did I miss something about Torontia? Yeah I got sick of his Ranting and went after him with a full naval fleet. Allemande took over from there.

Don't even bother Red Tide2. Allemande has placed a full Army in the city and I've already set up camp myself. You aren't getting in and out alive.

(OOC)

You communist bastard!

You stuffed the ballot with nations you made up just to vote out Kaufman!

How low will you ever sink???

Since that is the case, how about we call the 'elections' void, get rid of Norton and put back Kaufman, who should still technically be President.

OOC: I think both sides stuffed the Ballot so it doesn't matter now.

OOC:Or... hmmm... I know... do you mind if I try to crash the trial with unmarked special forces?

OOC: Hem, Hem.

OOC:Or... hmmm... I know... do you mind if I try to crash the trial with unmarked special forces?Yes, I mind. Terribly.

Ooc:Well I am gonna do it anyway!

(OOC)

But Allemande has just said that he made up nations just to get Norton more votes, ie; Allemande had more than one nation and therefore HE stuffed the ballots.

If Kaufman won and it was your Norton who lost due to fraud, you communist fucks would be screaming for war!

But as usual, leftist loonies like yourself always like to apply double standards.

Algeristan'](OOC)

You communist bastard!

You stuffed the ballot with nations you made up just to vote out Kaufman!

How low will you ever sink???

Since that is the case, how about we call the 'elections' void, get rid of Norton and put back Kaufman, who should still technically be President.
Mr. Kaufman give up the office, so he's not president anymore

Algeristan'](OOC)

You communist bastard!

You stuffed the ballot with nations you made up just to vote out Kaufman!

How low will you ever sink???

Since that is the case, how about we call the 'elections' void, get rid of Norton and put back Kaufman, who should still technically be President.Hey, if you can't get Norton to agree to that... ;)

Of course, you can't leave Allemande right now, regarless of events in Torontia...

Ooc:Well I am gonna do it anyway!That would be a very bad idea. The trial is in my capitol, and it is very well defended.

OOC:I have a plan...

To: Brydog

Kaufman only gave up the Presidency due to him thinking that he was going to lose and he would be punished and harmed by the new Norton government.

He resigned under duress.

You could say that was a coup d' etat, therefore Norton took office via illegal means.

To: Allemande

I do not think you allowed to try sitting Presidents and people who are heads of state!

It's an act of war and against international law giving heads of state immunity.

To: Brydog

Kaufman only gave up the Presidency due to him thinking that he was going to lose and he would be punished and harmed by the new Norton government.

He resigned under duress.

You could say that was a coup d' etat, therefore Norton took office via illegal means.

To: Allemande

I do not think you allowed to try sitting Presidents and people who are heads of state!

It's an act of war and against international law giving heads of state immunity.I don't think so.
Last time we looked, Jack Norton was President of the Republic of Torontia. Prove we tampered with your elections, and then get him to resign. ;)


We have no law granting immunity to foreign Heads of State, thank you...
The trial will continue.

If he's found not guilty he can be tried in Peopleita, hes wanted for different crimes here.

OOC:Here's all the things that happened up till now.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=435456&page=1&pp=15
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=435465&page=1&pp=15
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=435468&page=1&pp=15
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=435529&page=1&pp=15

in light of this news of possible attacks Captain Dr.Fianos Corbalas who s the offical medical examinter for morvonia will be carrying a Sig-Saur P228 9mm pistol with him in the court.

The Imperium of Serapindal will...stay neutral in this, but we remind, if you do wish to execute Paul Kaufman, we have several stores of Zyklon B, and Zyklon C.

To respond to increased security issues I'll move the 5th Fleet from their newly built base in Leafanistani Wasser over to international waters near the trial.

-Minister of Justice

The Lone Alliance will be moving their fleet as well, and will provide Air Cover over the nearby International Waters.

OOC:How about I am able to get the special forces in without detection(I know exactly how to do that), but when they attempt to rescue him everything(for the Red Tideans Team) goes haywire, and the only dead people wind up to be my special forces team and a couple dozen cops.

OOC:How about I am able to get the special forces in without detection(I know exactly how to do that), but when they attempt to rescue him everything(for the Red Tideans Team) goes haywire, and the only dead people wind up to be my special forces team and a couple dozen cops.

OOC: I think way too much political fallout. Hire some mercenaries, and if anyone asks, plausible denability. A private interest in your country did it, or something. Hell, I"ve tried it too.

OOC:I dont intend for my SF Team to be Captured... and they dont either, the thing about my military personnel is that they quite literally resist until they die. You would have to render them unconsious in order to stop them from fighting. Ill give you a hint from where this comes from... there is an electronic collar of sorts around their necks.

OOC:This trial is one of the most origenal i have seen so can i ask a favor of everyone................try NOT to go all military on this and start a war,this will ruin the tread and the most origenal idea we have ever injoyed

in light of this news of possible attacks Captain Dr.Fianos Corbalas who s the offical medical examinter for morvonia will be carrying a Sig-Saur P228 9mm pistol with him in the court.No, he won't.

OOC:I dont intend for my SF Team to be Captured... and they dont either, the thing about my military personnel is that they quite literally resist until they die. You would have to render them unconsious in order to stop them from fighting. Ill give you a hint from where this comes from... there is an electronic collar of sorts around their necks.Take a deep breath. Good. Another. Good.

Just hold off on any special ops for now, OK? This is my capitol we're talking here, and I've got the place crawling with soldiers and police. I'm expecting someone to try something. It ain't gonna work...

OOC:This trial is one of the most origenal i have seen so can i ask a favor of everyone................try NOT to go all military on this and start a war,this will ruin the tread and the most origenal idea we have ever injoyedThank you, Morvonia. Yes, I've got some twists and turns planned here, and a fair amount of humour, some subtle and some not.

And my idea is to do exactly what you suggest, do something no one's done here before...

RedTide don't bother, it's almost impossible to get in. Besides even if you get out of the courtroom with Kaufman. We will take him down before letting your take him. We have had blood of our own spilled by his actions.

To: Allemande

Thank you, Morvonia. Yes, I've got some twists and turns planned here, and a fair amount of humour, some subtle and

What ever you do, please DO NOT KILL KAUFMAN!!!

I do have my own plans for him if he gets free and he is too good a character to get rid off.

Ignore all the 'human rights first' go-gooder liberals and their desire to see 'justice', keep Kaufman around on NS at all costs.

I say that we let Torontia decide what happens to him. That's what we did with Usama Bin Laden (Omanistan)

What ever you do, please DO NOT KILL KAUFMAN!!!

I do have my own plans for him if he gets free and he is too good a character to get rid off.OOC: Actually, I don't think he's that good a character, just because he's so shallow and predictable (from a literary perspective, that is...). You need to give him more depth, go into what makes him tick, talk about his foibles, his mannerisms, his habits. Make him a real person.

Parthia does this with the Shah; he's a good role model for a bad guy.Ignore all the 'human rights first' go-gooder liberals and their desire to see 'justice', keep Kaufman around on NS at all costs.ROTFLMAO! Allemande may be liberal, but WE march to our own internal drummer.

I'll consider letting Kaufman live. But he'll be out of action for quite some time.

For your part, ponder the following:
Allemande has no death penalty or prisons. How could I legally kill him if I wanted to? Or throw him in prison, when I don't have such places?


If I wanted to see him tried for "crimes against humanity" or somes such thing, I'd have let Peopleita or someone like that have him. I haven't, so what does that say about my devotion to that crowd?


Have you ever read the Arabian Nights? If not, read it. There's something there you may need... (muahahahahahahhahahahaha!)

Leafanistan, doesn't believe in the Death Penalty, and has a cryostorage facility that could suit prisoners needs.

Leafanistan, doesn't believe in the Death Penalty, and has a cryostorage facility that could suit prisoners needs.



isnt that from demolition man the silvester stallon movie a couple of years back.

Leafanistan, doesn't believe in the Death Penalty, and has a cryostorage facility that could suit prisoners needs.

The Commandante personally doesn't belive in it either, but the people wanted it back.