NationStates Jolt Archive

The Empire has finished part of its new WMD program. We are selling anthrax bombs, smallpox bombs, bunker-buster nukes, and a variety of chemical weapons capable of mass murder. Emperor Shensek has also authorized an order program, allowing you to specifiy the WMD you want. All final orders must be sent by telegram. Prices are negotiable. These weapons have been fully tested and are proven to kill with deadly efficiency.

-Dr. Jonathan 'Bio-Bug' Killborne, Minister of Mass Murder

TOP SECRET MESSAGE

From: The Republic of Arabanistan

To: Conservative Union

The Republic of Arabanistan would like to ask what specific WMDs your nation has to sell?

Arabanistan wishes to obtain large stocks of chemical weapons, mainly mustard gas and VX nerve agent, for both artillary use and SCUD and FROG missile use.

Arabanistan would also like to ask how much would 5 100 kiloton nuclear warheads cost?

The Arabanistani military wishes to develope our own ICBM technology, therefore we only wish for the warheads.

Arabanistan would also like to ask about the possibility of our two nations working on a joint long range surface to surface missile programme.

I hope our two nations will in future work in close contact to build the respective military strength of our two nation.

President Hafez al Assad

The Biological Fanaticists would like to show Dr. Jonathan the true potential of mass murder weapons.

The Biological Fanaticists would like to show Dr. Jonathan the true potential of mass murder weapons.

If you sell to a person with 1 post, we will attack them to. Give prices and a disclaimer and something like rules to sell to who and when. 100+ mil pop usual.

(OOC)

My nation is one of those rogue arab nations that is VERY anti western and has ties to terrorists etc......

I am not some do gooder democracy thus my nation will ignore the rules of having 100 million people before you can get WMDs.

That rule was made by the anti-WMD club, a bunch of large imperialist nations that did not like the idea of the underdog getting nukes.

Arabanistan does NOT reconise the anti-WMD club thus we ignore its rules.

If you sell to a person with 1 post, we will attack them to. Give prices and a disclaimer and something like rules to sell to who and when. 100+ mil pop usual.

Ignore him, Arab. Doesn't matter how big your pop is, as long as you RP right.

If you sell to a person with 1 post, we will attack them too.

OOC: Sounds like an out of character reason for an in character action, I'm fairly sure that should someone declare war (IC action) on another nation simply because it's selling weapons to another nation with one post (OOC reason) then it's justifiable to simply ignore their ass for terrible RPing etiquette.

If you really must incist that this nation only sells to larger nations (who don't need nuclear weapons as bad) then at least keep your threats IC, otherwise you just look like a n00b.

IC:

While Iuthia does not agree with the idea of nuclear proliferation, especially to unstable states; we recognise that it's not our business to interfere with the trading policies of other nations.

We do, however, ask that you are cautious in your dealing with others as our policy is rather simple regarding the investigation of weapons of mass destruction that were used against the Benevolent Dictatorship of Iuthia; should any such weapon be traced to the original owner, regardless of their invovlement in any such attack, we will hold them at least partially responcible for the losses we have suffered. In more plain terms, if your nuclear, biological or chemical weapons are used against us by another, we will concider you partially responcible for their use and may seek reparations one way or another.

This is an old policy, one we are concidering this year in our current IDC reforms, however for the time being it still stands and we would like to think that those who sell such weapons are careful enough to make sure those weapons are not handed to unstable, dangerous nations.

Thanks,

Mick Lakely, Iuthian Diplomatic Corps

If you sell to a person with 1 post, we will attack them to. Give prices and a disclaimer and something like rules to sell to who and when. 100+ mil pop usual.

OOC: I am quite aware of how to open a storefront, Kjata Major. I've opened a chemical storefront of my own before.

TOP SECRET MESSAGE


From: The Republic of Arabanistan

To: Jenrak

The Republic of Arabanistan would like to ask Jenrak if your nation would consider selling or helping to build a WMD programme for the Arabanistani military.

If your response is positive then we shall specify what we need and how much we would purchase from Jenrak.

Arabanistan hopes you will consider this offer and to keep all communications TOP SECRET between us, for if so we can develope a good business relationship as well as Arabanistan using Jenrak as a trusted supplier.

President Hafez al Assad

A young man in his twenties sat quietly in his huge barely furnished

office, wrangling through a newly arrived package of legal documents.

"What the hell does the Conservative Union think they're doing? I just get a position with the foreign relaions commission and now this is thrown on my desk! This is totally unacceptable and ridiculously insulting to any nation."

-----OFFICIAL CORRESPONDANCE------
The Republic of National Commonwealth (PFRNC)

From the office of Premier Richard Vrai
6240 Rue Champs-De-République
Verum, RNC Federal District 14556

Dear Leadership of the Conservative Union:

You're dangerous and munipulative actions are contemptious and duly

insulting to the voting citizens of National Commonwealth. Any

nation(s) purchasing weapons of any sort through this sale will be

deamed a strategic threat to the Republic and ineligible for any

relations, trade, millitary, or otherwise with PFRNC.

Thank you,

Jason Styles
Foreign Relations Commission

TOP SECRET MESSAGE


From: The Republic of Arabanistan

To: Jenrak

The Republic of Arabanistan would like to ask Jenrak if your nation would consider selling or helping to build a WMD programme for the Arabanistani military.

If your response is positive then we shall specify what we need and how much we would purchase from Jenrak.

Arabanistan hopes you will consider this offer and to keep all communications TOP SECRET between us, for if so we can develope a good business relationship as well as Arabanistan using Jenrak as a trusted supplier.

President Hafez al Assad

Secret Message
To the Republic of Arabanistan
From Jenrak

The Chemical Lords (and more recently, the Biological Fanaticists) of Jenrak will consider selling us some of our basic Jenrakian chemicals, for it seems improbably that you are ready for some of our more *lethal* qualities. While we would consider helping you fund and build a WMD programme, we highly discourage it, as many nations are against Weapons of Mass Destruction.

However, we also ask that if you do not heed our warning, then you do not target our allies in your attacks. By doing so may cause our funding for your programme and our aid to dry up.

We will keep this message positively secret, as we have many secret suppliers throughout the years, and you are another one. Whether police, terrorists, freedom fights, dictators, or anything else that is needing of our Chemical Weaponry, we seek to make a profit, not spread faint morality to others who will merely discharge it. So, in tandem, we will accept to being your supplier.

Our storefront is incapable of being reached by the public, but secretly, we can help you in secret. Please send us a message (OOC: telegram me for more details).

(OOC)

Ill TG you tomorrow.

Well play happy shoppers then.

The Nation of Mondoth has expressed interest in the secondary infection capabilities of your biological weapons. We recquire confirmation of the secondary and upper tier infection rates and characteristic of the bilogical weapons before any action is taken.

you really shouldnt sell to nations under 100million population as they may use the WMDs the wrong way. There are plenty or alternatives for new nations.

(OOC)

My nation is one of those rogue arab nations that is VERY anti western and has ties to terrorists etc......

I am not some do gooder democracy thus my nation will ignore the rules of having 100 million people before you can get WMDs.

That rule was made by the anti-WMD club, a bunch of large imperialist nations that did not like the idea of the underdog getting nukes.

Arabanistan does NOT reconise the anti-WMD club thus we ignore its rules.



OOC: no it does not work that way..these ruls apply to everyone.

dont use the fact that you are a "rogue nation" that you can just come here and get nukes right away....almost all nations that played this game (even myself) dont get nukes for a long time....that is just the way to RP.



IC:if you touch those nukes we will attack you rogue nation scumbags.

OOC: Sounds like an out of character reason for an in character action, I'm fairly sure that should someone declare war (IC action) on another nation simply because it's selling weapons to another nation with one post (OOC reason) then it's justifiable to simply ignore their ass for terrible RPing etiquette.

If you really must incist that this nation only sells to larger nations (who don't need nuclear weapons as bad) then at least keep your threats IC, otherwise you just look like a n00b.


OOC: I assumed Jenark was being hostile with his comment, and I was approving of it.

Selling nuclear devices to a nation with a 5 mil pop, Psychotic Dictatorship, and a Defence budget of 7%: $280,143,954. It is completely illogical that he can support them with proper facilities, and guard them. This means that he will either have three things happen. A fourth...rarer one.

1. Blow it up. On someone who he has had OOC problems with or start a war.
2. Use it for threatening someone
3. Using it for poisoning or dirty bomb

4. Take it apart and learn about nuclear technology and build a reactor.

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Note that my conclusion came from the GOVERNMENT, a IC reason. Jumping to conclusions CAN be done when a nation clearly cannot safely keep them in an arsenal or even defend them. Nuclear weapons alone are cheap. The process of storing, launching and protecting them are not. Weapons system research costs around $5 billion, ICBM let's say. Then $50 million for a 3 nuke warhead ICBM. With $200,000 a year in maintaince. Then you will need a silo. A large project to build and cannot be done by first-year nations, as they are starting out now. $500 million for a silo I would say. Then you also need rail or street transporting for the missile to your base. This needs to be guarded also and can cost upwards of $10 mil basically.

Now to protect these silos you need to develope systems which are linked by satellites and are somehow wired across safe links to leaders and generals and have fail-safes installed. This alone will cost many billions more. This whole thing puts it immediately out of the realm of holding one as a first year nation.

This means the conclusion of this will be used immediately for war or destruction. Since you cannot possibly keep them ready without something to work them. Even in low-tech storage this is still not good and maintaince on a nation that far exceeds the general capacity of the people.

So before jumping to conclusions to thinking I am a noob, take a look at the nation and what his budget is! Then think about what you have to go through to hold nuclear weapons safely and maintain them!

OOC: I don't care about age as long as the numbers match up and the nation RPs it well.

SO WHile it is true that he couldn't afford american style ICBMS, just locking the weapons in a warehouse guarded by marines to be used in a strategic bomber is feasable. Heck, he could pull a soviet RUssia and build what looks like silos, put missiles in them and then brandsih them ruthlessly when in reality it he's not maintaining the missiles at all and it would take a minimum of a month to have even a single missile flight ready.

There are many ways to use nuclear weapons other than just to either use it immediately or put it on an expensive missile in an expensive silo tied to an expensive commo network.

OOC: I don't care about age as long as the numbers match up and the nation RPs it well.

SO WHile it is true that he couldn't afford american style ICBMS, just locking the weapons in a warehouse guarded by marines to be used in a strategic bomber is feasable. Heck, he could pull a soviet RUssia and build what looks like silos, put missiles in them and then brandsih them ruthlessly when in reality it he's not maintaining the missiles at all and it would take a minimum of a month to have even a single missile flight ready.

There are many ways to use nuclear weapons other than just to either use it immediately or put it on an expensive missile in an expensive silo tied to an expensive commo network.

One...he cannot even afford an airport, or even 3 planes. His money is $.08 to the USD. Economy of Basketcase. To be able to support 18,000 troops also means that he cannot even afford the facilites to hold the weapons.

Though the comment made by Morvonia is true. Any nation that is violent or is violent towards other nations and isn't abiding by the rules of the rest of NS will be 'rogue' and therefore able to be attacked without building up for the IC reason of threatening with nuclear weapons.

Now Kjata Major came into the Nuclear World with a population fo 36 million, what did Kjata Major do with them? Take them apart, dissassemble with a special kit given to us. The uranium is stored away, while our own missile technology is based off the nuclear missiles that we purchased, thus avoiding designing many of our own systems and infact improving on them. Now Kjata Major has no nuclear weapons, but is capable of producing a missile in nearly a half a year. Though we still abide by the NS rules and don't possess WMDs or biological, radioactive or chemical weapons. Which actually allows us to build crazy ships and not pay for the upkeep costs of the nukes. With no nuclear arsenal to wave around our nation is more 'peaceful' to the world, but infact the forces are better equipped and prepared then those nations using nuclear arms as deterrents to conflict.

A form letter sent to The Conservative Union:

Dear
[ ] _____________;
[x] Gits;
[ ] Madames;
[ ] Persons;
[ ] Sirs;
[ ] To Whom it may concern;

We have

[ ] _____________
[ ] destroyed
[ ] learnt of
[x] observed
[ ] read

your

[x] laughably feeble weapons program________
[ ] activities
[ ] army
[ ] diplomats
[ ] fleet
[ ] nation
[ ] plans
[ ] treaty

and

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[ ] are displeased by you.
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[x] are laughing at you.
[ ] disapprove.
[ ] find it noble and well thought out.
[ ] find it to have merit.
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Have

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[x] this tactical fruit basket.
[ ] a very nice day.
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Sincerely,
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Temp Vice-Deputy Assistant Night Janitor, the Menelmacari Prefecture of State

(OOC)

To: Kjata Major

Before I say anything about my WMD ambitions, I have been on NS since April, as other nations.

My first nation, Saharistan, was invaded and is now under foreign occupation.

My second nation, Algeristan, reached a population of over 370 million and I played a few wars with it. However the admin deleted Algeristan after I made a IC homophobic comment. Even IC homophobia gets the PC brigade jumpy.

With my current population, Arabanistan's military forces are 260,000 strong.

Arabanistan has a few TU-16 Soviet made bombers and I do have the troops to defend any nukes I may have.

But if I were to get nukes in the next 3 weeks or so, I would NOT use them with ICBMs as they are expensive, you a right on that point.

But a nuclear device can ba carried by a person. What is to stop Arabanistan sending a person dressed as a civilian into another nation's city and carrying the device with him to explode.

The 100 million pop, rule I find biased towards large nations as they have more than enough manpower and weapons and money to wage a long war against anyone, small nations either need a swift tactical advantage, like WMDs, or they perish under the boots of the large nations.

Too many small nations are being bullied by do-gooder moralistic 'democracies' and leftist nations and large nations.

Let political systems you don't like exist and leave alone those who are smaller than yourself.

Also Arabanistan will get chemical weapons as there is NO rules on how big you have to be for getting them.

To: To all nations

ALL MY MESSAGES TO BUY WMDS ARE SECRET. ANY NATION THAT RESPONDS TO MY SECRET MESSAGES WITH THREATS SAYING I CANNOT GET WMDS ON AN IC ROLE WILL BE IGNORED.

MY NATION IS NEW BUT I HAVE BEEN ON NS BEFORE, I DON'T RP WITH NOOBS.

bump

Leafanistan is here to offer all nations cheaper and more effective means to wage warfare instead of resorting to unstable, biological weapons which can backfire, chemical weapons which have a short shelf life and require constant renewal, and nuclear weapons which have a tendency to cost a lot to maintain and become useless after 25-50 years due to radioactive decay and equipment decay.

Also we shall send a tactical novelty card to the Conservative Union constiting of an animated smiley pointing and laughing. Enjoy.

OOC: Lets analyse this one again Kjata Major, seeing as you missed my point.

First part of the first sentance: "If you sell to a person with 1 post", this is a OOC reason.

Second part of the first sentance: "we will attack them to.", this is a IC threat.

Notice this is what I originally quoted you and what I criticised you for seeing as you mixed IC and OOC, making IC threats for OOC reasons. If you had vielled your OOC reasons with legitimate IC reasons I wouldn't say anything but it's the fact you threatened them over a OOC reason (that they only had one post, which doesn't mean bugger all).

The rest of your arguement, making out that I'm jumping to conclusions, is pretty moot point because it's not actually relevent to the original criticism... seing as I wasn't disargeeing with the idea that a small nation economically weak nation cannot support nuclear weapons, I was disagreeing with your terrible RP etiquette which mixed OOC and IC which to me makes you look inexperienced with the game.

Keep it IC or OOC, don't mix the two as it's just bad form, it's easy as hell to have an IC reason for telling people not to do it. So long as you ICly know about it.

(OOC)

Well Leafanistan, for a nation to be without WMDs, what weapons do you speak of that could give a WMDless nation a military advantage over a nation with many WMDs???

Of course if your storefront has such weapons then please enlighten me, but if not, maybe you can help me get some nukes.

(OOC)

Well Leafanistan, for a nation to be without WMDs, what weapons do you speak of that could give a WMDless nation a military advantage over a nation with many WMDs???

Of course if your storefront has such weapons then please enlighten me, but if not, maybe you can help me get some nukes.

OOC: We sell dirty tricks, affordable yet effective weapons, and candy. Lots of candy.

(OOC)

Well Leafanistan, for a nation to be without WMDs, what weapons do you speak of that could give a WMDless nation a military advantage over a nation with many WMDs???

Of course if your storefront has such weapons then please enlighten me, but if not, maybe you can help me get some nukes.

I too will offer you free weaponry as a alternitave to you purchasing WMDs. I will offer you $5billion usd credit for the Tokera storefront and Tokera package storefront. We will also like to help you develop conventional weapons and possibly provide protection untill you are a stronger nation.
There are plenty alternitaves to WMDs.

OOC: the 100 million rule is actually a very good way to keep all nations too small to have nuclear weapons from saying they just nuked someone.

OOC: Lets analyse this one again Kjata Major, seeing as you missed my point.

First part of the first sentance: "If you sell to a person with 1 post", this is a OOC reason.

Second part of the first sentance: "we will attack them to.", this is a IC threat.

Notice this is what I originally quoted you and what I criticised you for seeing as you mixed IC and OOC, making IC threats for OOC reasons. If you had vielled your OOC reasons with legitimate IC reasons I wouldn't say anything but it's the fact you threatened them over a OOC reason (that they only had one post, which doesn't mean bugger all).

The rest of your arguement, making out that I'm jumping to conclusions, is pretty moot point because it's not actually relevent to the original criticism... seing as I wasn't disargeeing with the idea that a small nation economically weak nation cannot support nuclear weapons, I was disagreeing with your terrible RP etiquette which mixed OOC and IC which to me makes you look inexperienced with the game.

Keep it IC or OOC, don't mix the two as it's just bad form, it's easy as hell to have an IC reason for telling people not to do it. So long as you ICly know about it.


Ok Mistake....though the point of him being in violation of the rules isn't a good thing.

Oh ya..Arabanistan, my original nation have over 1.7 billion people. Though I still obey the rules. You don't NEED a tactical advantage, using nuclear weapons is a stupid way to fight when the 'larger' nation responses with a nuclear strike and glass your nation.

OCC: To Any and All U.N. Members: Remember Possesion of Chem/Bio. Weapons is Outlawed. However Possesion Nuclear is Allowed (pretty much w/o restriction) (Please don't start up with Anti-U.N. Arguments if you are NOT A U.N. Member this DOESN'T Apply to YOU)

IC: In the intrest of Security Kanami Denounces this Market, and we have no intrest to buy any weapons. Same goes with out Ally Aqua Anu. We are not hear to start a fight though.

I want a bunker buster nuke.

you really shouldnt sell to nations under 100million population as they may use the WMDs the wrong way. There are plenty or alternatives for new nations.

I've seen more over 100 mil. countries misuse WMDs than new ones. Besides, this is just a puppet nation (Arab).

Mondoth I sstill interested in the Secondary Infection data concerning the Biological Weapons you sell.

OOC: No posts are secret unles they are stated to be so or ae in a thread specifically for secret IC posts.

True.

we in khabarovsky krai have our own weapons programs going, but we could still use additional expertise, perhaps send some of your scientists to our country...

OOC: Just a point for you all to think about.
A. Iuthia is much older than all of you(NS-time)
B. the 100 million thing is more of a guidline, not exactly a set rule, to help newer nations RP better
C. Arabanistan has been around for a while, so s/he probably knows what s/he is doing.
D. if you keep on threatening IC war for OOC reasons, the person you are threatening HAS THE RIGHT to ignore your attack and threat
E. that's it

OOC: Just a point for you all to think about.
A. Iuthia is much older than all of you(NS-time)
B. the 100 million thing is more of a guidline, not exactly a set rule, to help newer nations RP better
C. Arabanistan has been around for a while, so s/he probably knows what s/he is doing.
D. if you keep on threatening IC war for OOC reasons, the person you are threatening HAS THE RIGHT to ignore your attack and threat
E. that's it

A: umm ok...
B: Nations can ignore nuclear threats by nations when they cannot support it.
C: Arabanistan I would still thing was subject to the rule, I don't know if he is older then that or not, but it shouldn't really matter that much
D: Umm ya I apologized for not stating the reason ICly though it was obvious to me what it wasn't a non-violent purchase. I am not threatening either, but I said I would back him up because I dissapprove of it. (From Jenrek's statement it sounds like he was going to attack, and he was opening a hostile storefront)
E: Get over it.

TCS wishes to purchases several Nuclear Charges, not the actual missles.

Name a price.

OOC: Just a point for you all to think about.
A. Iuthia is much older than all of you(NS-time)
B. the 100 million thing is more of a guidline, not exactly a set rule, to help newer nations RP better
C. Arabanistan has been around for a while, so s/he probably knows what s/he is doing.
D. if you keep on threatening IC war for OOC reasons, the person you are threatening HAS THE RIGHT to ignore your attack and threat
E. that's it

A. I think the award goes to Menelmar (sorry for the wrong spelling)
B. True, and a new nation with 5 million can still be a mean threat if he RPs good
C. But does he know what is what in his time? He could have come at the wrong time...
D. Who's threatening who?
E. Okey dokey.

OOC: Just a point for you all to think about.
A. Iuthia is much older than all of you(NS-time)
B. the 100 million thing is more of a guidline, not exactly a set rule, to help newer nations RP better
C. Arabanistan has been around for a while, so s/he probably knows what s/he is doing.
D. if you keep on threatening IC war for OOC reasons, the person you are threatening HAS THE RIGHT to ignore your attack and threat
E. that's it

OOC:
A. My age doesn't really mean all that much, just because I've been playing longer doesn't mean I'm automatically right and they are automatically wrong. Though I guess the fact I've been around for over two years means I've earned some respect (or lost some with various people... it works both ways). Eitherway just being older doesn't mean too much, I know a few nations who are older then Iuthia who still miss some of the fine points of RP etiquette.

B. The 100 Million rule doesn't exist... I mostly ignore people who incist that you can only have nuclear weapons at a set age; providing a nation can explain how it's capable of supporting it's weapons then sure, they can have some... I should know, I've had Noitan Teppup economically support smaller nations just to piss off those who incist on limiting nuclear weapons based on a nations age. It's not a rule, check the FAQs and you'll notice Nationstates is Freeform.

The part about Iuthia being older, meant more towards your experience, and how those things have been dealt with...
and also, again, I said GUIDELINES meaning it was to help newer nations... and I agree that if the person can roleplay it properly, then they should be able to get bombs. sorry if I offended anyone with the last post of mine.

Okey dokey