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Historical background of Torontia

Torontia is a nation located on the North American Pacific coastline. Torontia includes the former US states of Oregon and Washington and the Canadian state of BC.

Torontia's capital city is Seattle and it's main port and naval base are in the city of Vancouver.

Twenty years ago, Torontia peacefully gained independence from the US and Canada, after the people voted by 71% in a referendum on independence.

For the first eight years, Torontia was ruled by a coalition of the Liberal Party and the Green Party.

The Liberal Party was made up of former members of the US Democratic Party and the Canadian Liberal Party. The Liberal Party appealed to middle class public sector workers and politcal moderates who favoured consensus.

The Green Party was made up of the US Green Party and the Canadian NDP. The Green Party was popular amongst the younger generation and minority groups such as hispanics, blacks, students and gays.

Both parties had a consensus on having socially liberal attitudes to morality and favoured a regulated economic system that gave extensive welfare, social care and rights to those at the lower end of the social spectrum.

Torontia's wealthy and it's business community as well as the Christian Right, all looked on in resentment as they lacked any conservative voice in Torontia's political system.

In November 1999, Torontia was gearing up for an election and all of the political observers were predicting another Liberal/Green victory.

A very wealthy investment banker by the name of Paul Kaufman was running as a non-party candidate for the Presidency and had the backing of the Torontian Concervative Alliance (TCA) who were looking to win seats in the elections for the parliament.

Kaufman's policies were ultra right wing and he was dubbed the 'Buchanan of Torontia' by the liberal media.

At first Kaufman was lucky if he could get 15% at the polls, but at the same time as the elections were being held, the WTO and the IMF were having their conference in Seattle.

For the frist time in WTO/IMF history, the meeting was under siege by anti-capitalist and anarchist protestors.

The protest soon turned into a riot and 17 people were killed in the ensuing chaos as police battled anarchists in what was dubbed the 'Battle of Seattle'.

This played right into Kaufman's hands and he knew it. Going on the campaign trail with a VERY tough law and order platform, Kaufman started to get a lot more support than he could of ever dreamed of.

At the end of the election, the results were:

Paul Kaufman (right-wing independent) 43%

Harry Barker (Liberal Party) 40%

Jack Norton (Green Party) 17%

The TNC only won 54 seats out of 170 in the Torontian parliament, but it was enough to keep the Liberal/Green bloc from dominating the parliament.

A mere three weeks into the new Presidency of Paul Kaufman, the speaker of the Torontian parliament was blown up by a car bomb attack when driving on his way to work.

Unkown to anybody but Kaufman and his hired thugs, Kaufman ordered the assasination of the speaker and got the secret services to attach evidence to make out that the attack was the work of anarchists and those who took part in the November 1999 Seattle riots.

With this framing of his opponents, Kaufman enforced martial law in all of Torontia.

Parliament was suspended, the constitutional articles on civil/political/legal rights were suspended, the media had to now put all of it's articals and news through government agencies to prevent anti-government views from being aired, strikes were banned and the security forces were given extensive powers to arrest and question people.

Kaufman at first promised that this authoritarian system would be a temporay measure, but he never had any intention of going back to democracy.

Five months after martial law, parliament was opened but only the TNC was allowed to take their seats as Kaufman accused the Green and Liberal Parties of treason for not supporting martial law.

With this monopoly on parliament, Kaufman had a new system set up that was called the New Order.

The New Order abolished parliament, the constitution and a free media and the cabinet was re-organised as the National Command Council (NCC).

The NCC is a 50 person committee made up of CEOs, corporate shareholders, military officials, economists and former members of the TNC.

Kaufman then put forward a decree making himself President for Life. The death penalty was imposed for ANY anti-government activity and to even make a joke about Kaufman could send someone to 20 years in a labour camp.

After securing his political grip, Kaufman then extended the New Order to society at large.

The New Order's ideology was that of social darwinism, that nature favours the strong over the weak. For the ideology of the New Order this meant that the rich and the upper classes were most favoured by nature and the poor and working class were to accept their fate as servents to their new masters.

Social security, free education, free healthcare, unemployment benefits, disability benefits and state pensions were all abolished.

EVERYTHING but the military and the police were privatised and sold off on the market.

A huge canal was built right through Seattle, cutting the city into two. On one side of the canal were all of the government buildings, the presidential palace, the financial district and the wealthy residential districts.

On the other side a huge slum was left for all of those in blue collar jobs, out of work, the homeless and those who could not afford to buy themselves into society.

This division was made secure by security forces who put up checkpoints and gates at all of the bridges over the canal and only those working class people who had to work for their rich masters in the wealthy side of Seattle could cross the canal with their permits.

The socially liberal Torontia was all but gone under the New Order. Homosexuality, cannabis use, equal pay for women were all outlawed.

To keep himself in power, Kaufman built up the military and the police. Kaufman also gave the Torontian military chemical and biological weapons and devoted a large chunck of the budget to defence and law and order.

Kaufman also set up a army that was under his DIRECT control called the Republican Guard. At 70,000 strong, the Republican Guard were better trained and payed than either the military or the police and the Republican Guard had authority over both.

However, Kaufman never could wipe out his opposition and with poverty, hunger, homelessness, huge inequality and the total lack of democracy and freedom, his opponents were now gaining support.

Anarchists found fertile support in the universities from idealistic students and the banned Communist Party of Torontia (CPT) had the support of the blue collar workers and the slum dwellers.

Liberal sections of the middle class, wanting to go back to how it was before Kaufman, also started linking up with the other opponents of the Kaufman regime.

As long as his opponents were divided, Kaufman was safe. But now unity was spreading through the ranks of the opposition.

:sniper:

Seattle City University, Seattle, Torontia

For the past five hours the Seattle City University had been totally shut down as student protests ensued.

Most of the students were just angry at the huge levels of poverty and the complete lack of freedom or democracy in Torontia but a small network of anarchists were co-ordinating the protests.

In the presidential palace, President Kaufman was reading the police reports of the student unrest.

After finishing the last of his scotch and putting his cigar out he turned to his minister of internal security, James Baker.

PAUL KAUFMAN "This will not do. Im not going to have a bunch of teenage anarchist fucks wreck havoc in my city! Even though the students are not armed, Im going to order the Republican Guard to deal with this."

JAMES BAKER "How far are the Republican Guard permitted to go in dealing with this?"

PAUL KAUFMAN "To the very end. They have orders to shoot ALL students still inside the university compund. No one inside the unviersity will be spared."

JAMES BAKER "Very well."

Back at the university, Republican Guard units were now taking up positions.

The Republican Guard force assigned for the operation at the university was 1,200 strong and 30 APCs were also there. 10 AH-64 'Apache' attack helicopters were also there, to carry out the first strike.

The AH-64 helicopters flew towards the unviersity and fired their air to surface missiles and their rockets at the south and east side of the university. One helicopter also fired it's missiles right into a huge crowd of students who were having a sit in on the university lawn.

After that, the troops moved in and for 3 hours, made their way through the univeristy, killing every student, teacher and other member of staff that they could see.

TOTAL DEATH TOLL:

4,567 students.

347 teachers.

178 staff members.

Being unarmed, the students had nothing to fight back with and the Republican Guard suffered no deaths.

Slum districts of Seattle, Torontia

By the afternoon, word had spread round the city of the massacre at the univeristy.

Despite the media blackout Kaufman had put into effect, the huge scale of death and destruction at the university was hard to hide.

From all over Seattle, people could see the huge tower of black smoke that came from the now burnt out university.

In the slums, a crowd of beggars and recently laid off workers was gathering at one of the checkpoints at one of the bridges that connects the two sides of Seattle.

At first they just looked on in shock as they saw the tower of black smoke rise up from the university compound. They could hear screams and the odd gunshot as the Republican Guard were still killing the few remaining students who were hiding out in the university building.

This caused anger in the crowd and when one police officer manning the bridge checkpoint ordered the crowd to disperse, Jack Norton, the former Green Party candidate who lost to Kaufman in the 1999 election and who now lived in the slums, picked up an old wooden plank and hit the polic officer on the head.

The blow was hard enough to kill the officer and seconds later the crowd went into a frenzy as they picked up anything they could find, bottles, pieces of wood and other things besides.

Jack Norton picked up the officers pistol and then fired at the other officers in the checkpoint post, killing two of them and the other 2 were shot in the legs and they were then captured and thrown into the canal.

Then the crowd went into the checkpoint post and opened the gates.

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Henius Seytus, along with his little band of rovers, of about a few dozen people, were spread across the city, in a little bands. He loaded his gun, and his armor up. Ah, he forgot where he bought these. Made in the IOS, probably from the black-market. Significantly of lower quality then of the one the IOS uses obviously, but it was still startingly better then anything he'd come against. A marvel of German, Russian, and East Asian (China, Japan, Korea, and etc.) design. He strapped on his armor, and concealed the rifle. He had a comrade in the building, with a sniper rifle. Henius stepped inside a police station. He pulled out his rifle. The officers were startled, and before they pulled their weapon out, a burst fire killed two officers, and a clerk. Officers flooded out of their offices and stuff, and automatic weapon fire tore them down. One officer almost pulled out his pistol, but a motley of bullets tore into him, his body shaking, and falling to the ground with blood. One officer got a shot off before being annihilated, but the bullet hit the armor, and didn't go through. Conventional hand-guns were less effective, and likley would take many shots. The officers didn't expect a thing, and when the last one was gunned down, Henius left the building. He had left three dozen dead officers, many of them gunned down before they could draw a weapon. Some of them unarmed, It seemed someone was able to call for reinforcements. His partner hid with a sniper rifle. Twelve Republican Guards shuffled around at the door. The sniper rifle fired. It hit a guy in the chest, and he went down. The rest when wary, and before they could dive for cover, one was hit in the chest, and another in the stomach, and they died. One also was unlucky enough to be hit in the neck, and with a gurgle, he fell to the ground dead. They hid behind a car for good measure, seven of them. The sniper rifle fired it's fifth shot, and hit the car, making it leak oil. He figured it would compromise his position, but it would be worth it. He tossed a molotov cocktail at the car, and a huge flame consumed the car and the guards behind it. They ran away, hearing their screams behind them, and made it back to their hideout.

"Guerilla fighting. The staple of any rebel army."

(OOC)

Im going to RP the rebels as well as Kaufmans' side.

At the moment nations can give weapons and money to the rebels and later on, when the rebels have ports or border areas under thier control, they can send in THEIR NATIONS troops/military forces.

Im sorry about not mentioning that, I forgot.

I RP rebels and government, but give money or weapons if you want and later on troops.

OOC: Can we RP little random Rebels, doing little random stuff? Heh. I always go for the underdog? Don't blame me. I always cheer for the side that's likely to lose.

(OOC)You can keep that post you made, but Ill RP that rebel band you did for their next attack.

Although like you siad they gone into hiding and the next rebel move will be Jack Norton and all the hobos and bums crossing the canal and causing mayhem foor all those poor innocent rich people.

Im RPing the rebels, but you can give aid and later your OWN troops to help fight with the rebels.

OOC: Alright.

Seattle City University, Seattle, Torontia

For the past five hours the Seattle City University had been totally shut down as student protests ensued.

Most of the students were just angry at the huge levels of poverty and the complete lack of freedom or democracy in Torontia but a small network of anarchists were co-ordinating the protests.

In the presidential palace, President Kaufman was reading the police reports of the student unrest.

After finishing the last of his scotch and putting his cigar out he turned to his minister of internal security, James Baker.

PAUL KAUFMAN "This will not do. Im not going to have a bunch of teenage anarchist fucks wreck havoc in my city! Even though the students are not armed, Im going to order the Republican Guard to deal with this."

JAMES BAKER "How far are the Republican Guard permitted to go in dealing with this?"

PAUL KAUFMAN "To the very end. They have orders to shoot ALL students still inside the university compund. No one inside the unviersity will be spared."

JAMES BAKER "Very well."

Back at the university, Republican Guard units were now taking up positions.

The Republican Guard force assigned for the operation at the university was 1,200 strong and 30 APCs were also there. 10 AH-64 'Apache' attack helicopters were also there, to carry out the first strike.

The AH-64 helicopters flew towards the unviersity and fired their air to surface missiles and their rockets at the south and east side of the university. One helicopter also fired it's missiles right into a huge crowd of students who were having a sit in on the university lawn.

After that, the troops moved in and for 3 hours, made their way through the univeristy, killing every student, teacher and other member of staff that they could see.

TOTAL DEATH TOLL:

4,567 students.

347 teachers.

178 staff members.

Being unarmed, the students had nothing to fight back with and the Republican Guard suffered no deaths.To: Paul Kaufman, President of the Republic of Torontia
From: Edith Mayenne, Secretary of State of the United States of Allemande

Sir,

In the last 12 hours, I have been asked to ascertain the whereabouts of 31 citizens of the United States of Allemande who were either attending or working at Seattle City University at the time of the alleged "student uprising".

22 of the citizens are students, 7 are staff, and 2 are faculty.

I have also been asked by governments with whom we have close ties to look into the dispostion of 17 more nationals, most from the Islamic Republic of Ayaddha. 14 of these nationals are students, 1 is faculty, and 2 are staff.

You are hereby served notice that both the United States of Allemande and the Islamic Republic of Ayaddha expect to hear if these individuals, whose names and identifying information are on the accompanying list, were among the dead reported by your media. If so, we expect to recieve from you both a full accounting of the details of their deaths and their remains forthwith.

You have 72 hours to furnish this information.

Leafanistan made a statement that night regarding the Riots, mostly just sabre-waving and defense of the poor and oppressed. However it was quickly forgotten as that night's cricket and football games came in.

Unbeknownst to the people and the state-controlled media, Leafanistan was making preperations. That evening, AKS-74Us and Marakov 9*18mm pistols, part of a massive surplus of guns Leafanistan had made their way into Seattle via the canal. Special forces just dropped them off near opposition people. At the same time, a report arrived in Kaufman's office, a secret deal from Sierra Visions, a statement saying that they were to be given a 50% emergency finacial aid in the Leafanistani Storefront to help "stabilize" his nation.

The Minister of the Arms Industry, thought of it as maximizing profits.

From: The Republic of Torontia

To: Allemande

The Republic of Torontia regrets to inform you that ALL Allemande and Ayaddha citizens who were at the university at the time of the terrorist criminal uprising were killed in crossfire.

Torontian soldiers did not intentionally kille them but mistook them for student terrorists.

I can fly the bodies back to the two respective nations.

I offer my personal apologies and I hope you can not let this incident sour relations with our nation.

To: Lefanistan

Torontia thanks you for your offer of weapons to buy.

Please provide us with a list of products that we can purchase.

President Paul Kaufman

Quietly, the orders went out.

2 SSN's patrolling in the Eastern Pacific turned towards the mouth of the Columbia River.

In the Western Pacific, a task force began to assemble for dispatch to the Eastern Pacific. The task force including 2 CGN's, 3 DDG's, 7 FFG's, and a number of support ships. Also included were a small division of assault ships, carrying the 2nd Marine Brigade, a 3rd Mechanised Brigade, and the 11th Air Assault Brigade.

Orders were issued to place the IVth Corps - comprised of 2 Mechanised Divisions, 1 Airmobile Division, and 1 Armoured Brigade - on alert.

And, at Allemande's National Space Center, an Ares-Nemesis two-stage booster was hurriedly prepared for launch.

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President Michael Blum looked at the satellite photographs of the shattered University Commons, and then at the transcripts of the panicked cell phone calls from students who had been quietly studying in their dorm rooms or at the library, eating lunch in the cafeterias, or socialising in the various student lounges when the shooting started.

It was obvious that the Torontian security forces had swept the campus, slaughtering everyone in sight, involved in the protests of not.

He knew they would lie, and he also knew that he had at his fingertips the information needed to prove that they were lying.

IC:Official Statement From Red Tide Goverment
"We decry the terroristc, imperialist rebels. We whole heartedly support Torontia and request their permission to airlift in the 28th Mechanised Infantry Division with the 9th Close Combat Brigade attached."
End Message

OOC: A Close Combat Brigade is a brigade made up mostly of soldiers who specialise in close combat situations(Jungle Fighting, Urban Combat, Some forms of mountain combat). They are mostly armed with either submachine guns or flamethrowers.

Seattle, Torontia

As the crowd led by Jack Norton crossed the bridge, some of the people picked up the guns from the other dead police officers and more gunds and ammo from the checkpoint building.

For many in the crowd they had NEVER been to the wealthy side of the city since Kaufman took power and they looked on in awe at the skyscrapers, offices and high class flats that made up the centre of Seattle.

As they looked around, their anger reached new hights as they had memories of what they used to have in the old democratic era and what Kaufman had taken away from the people.

As they approached a high street, they saw hundereds of Seattle most wealthy residents shooping. All of them dressed in their designer suits and dresses and with their $4000 handbags and $12,000 rolex watches.

This caused a surge of anger and envy in the crowd and they started running after the residents, throwing them to the ground and grabbing thier watches and wallets.

Anarchy broke out in the very centre of Torontia and the mob now started pulling up sidewalk slabs and throwing the cement slabs into shop windows.

One protester used his lighter to set alight a Prada boutique and within half an hour, the shopping district was ablaze in fire and tens of dozens of Seattle's wealthy residents were now dead.

The IOS is currently in disaproval of Torontia's policy. It is out of alignment with the IOS's Authoritian Populist Pragmatic stance. Despite the IOS is currently in disapproval, the IOS will remain neutral aka. will not help any side directly until further notice.

From: The Republic of Torontia

To: Red Tide 2

Torontia accepts your offer.

Please use Seattle International Airport for the delivery of your troops.

President Paul Kaufman

Unbeknownst to the people and the state-controlled media, Leafanistan was making preperations. That evening, AKS-74Us and Marakov 9*18mm pistols, part of a massive surplus of guns Leafanistan had made their way into Seattle via the canal. Special forces just dropped them off near opposition people."Mr. President, we're seeing indications from Leafanistan that they're starting to arm dissidents," said the aide, showing Michael Blum the satellite photographs.

"If Leafanistan has any links to those dissidents on the ground," said the President, "Then I want to know about it."

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At Allemande's National Space Center, the Ares-Nemesis booster roared to life. This was, the press were told, to be another routine test in the so-called Medusa series.

Only someone carefully tracking objects in low orbit would have noted that this Medusa shot was launched along a different orbit than the others, one that carried it much farther away from the equator in its ground track.

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The Republic of Torontia regrets to inform you that ALL Allemande and Ayaddha citizens who were at the university at the time of the terrorist criminal uprising were killed in crossfire.

Torontian soldiers did not intentionally kille them but mistook them for student terrorists.

I can fly the bodies back to the two respective nations.

I offer my personal apologies and I hope you can not let this incident sour relations with our nation."Send the transcripts of those cell phone calls to the President of Torontia," said Michael Blum. "Especially the one where that girl relates how the soldiers were going down the dormitory hall, kicking all the doors in and firing on anyone hiding inside their dorm rooms."

"I want to hear what that lying S.O.B has to say when he knows we have that all on tape."

"Oh," he added, almost as an afterthought. "And get me permission from the families to air them."

Official Reply
"The planes are en-route as we speak. ETA is 4 hours."
End Message
OOC:4 hours NS Time=5 minutes RL Time in this case

IC:Official Statement From Red Tide Goverment
"We decry the terroristc, imperialist rebels. We whole heartedly support Torontia and request their permission to airlift in the 28th Mechanised Infantry Division with the 9th Close Combat Brigade attached."
End MessageTo: The Corporate Dictatorship of Red Tide2
From: The United States of Allemande

It would be regrettable if our military forces inadvertently came to blows. We therefore suggest that you limit your nation's involvement in Torontia, since it may be necessary for us to take action in response to the murder of our citizens by Torontia's security forces.

We thank you in advance for your cooperation.

"If Red Tide2 gets combat forces on the ground in Seattle," said the Secretary of Defence, "Then this situation will escalate uncontrollably."

"Options?" asked the President.

"Medusa," replied the Secretary of Defence.

"Not yet," said the President.

"We can attempt to render Seattle International Airport inoperable," the Secretary offered.

"With cratering ordinance?" asked President Blum.

"No, that's not part of the standard load of either SSN on station," replied the Secretary of Defence. "We'll have to use FAE's on the tower and navigation aids and hope that it makes use of the airport impossible."

Silence.

Tough call, thought the President.

Official Repyl
"I believe that the President of Torontia has already PERSONALLY apologised for the terrible accident it was. We do believe that a bit of financial compensation for the families is in order, we advise that you ask for and we will support you on that. However, I cannot garuntee my troops will not fire on your troops if they are seen helping the illegal army the so called Freedom Fighters have become."
End Message

Seattle International Airport
"This is Red Tidean 22nd heavy airlift, we are a military flight requesting permission to land over."
OOC:Got To Go

Seattle International Airport

The Red Tide 2 military force had just landed minutes ago and were now in the airport lounge, which had been shut down for civilians use since the morning.

The IOS has called for a dramatic change in the Torontia policy. If not, we may take action.

Seattle International Airport

The Red Tide 2 military force had just landed minutes ago and were now in the airport lounge, which had been shut down for civilians use since the morning.OOC: You know, it would take hours for a reinforced combat division to land at a major international airport, possibly days. Ever watch the planes roll into Midway or O'Hare? They stack up for hours and hours...

You could have the first few companies present, but I can't imagine the whole division would be there, especially with their heavy equipment.

"Mr. President, the first few Red Tide2 troops are on the ground," said a military aide.

"I want an answer from the President of Torontia regarding those phone transcripts within the hour. Tell him that. And it had better be good."

From: The Republic of Torontia

To: Serapindal

The Republic of Torontia will only ever change it's policies when the President decides to and he only ever acts with the best intentions of Torontia's growing economy, the nation and the well being of the people of Torontia.

Torontia will not bow down to the pressures, these so called demands made by nations that threaten us or the evil communist terrorists and criminals who are destroying our great city of Seattle.

President Paul Kaufman

OOC:So far only a battalion of men are on the ground(but that number is increasing). The cargo planes alternate between the planes carrying the soldiers and the planes carrying the heavy equipment(namely, APCs and Light Battle Tanks). Also, the cargo planes dont hang around any longer then nessecary, as soon as they are done unloading, they line up to take off.

Aysheaia News Network

Acting with the beaming approval of new Economic Minister Kaoi'ili, Sufi Aviation and Atu'an Industries announced that they will be offering support to the nation of Torontia - although with an unusual twist.

"Sufi Aviation, understanding the strife and turmoil that can come during such periods of transition, is pleased to offer the government of Torontia the use of 10 A-20A strike aircraft. We are, of course, not suggesting that their government use the aircraft to bomb or strafe their own populous, which is why we are supplying these aircraft with the full optional package of accessories, including reconnaissance pods, in the hope that they can be used to ease the damage suffered during this time.”

Economic Analysts from the right wing think tank PAAR speculate that Sufi plans to use this act of charity to promote their new package program, which supplies 10 A-20A’s along with rocket and recon pods, support gear, and ammunition for $8.3 million.

At the same time, small arms manufacturer Atu’an Industries announced that they will be shipping 10,000 surplus “swordfish” to the beleaguered Torontia opposition.

“I can see no reason why these people, who are rapidly being marginalized by the new Torontia government, should not be able to live their lives. Why they should not be able to know the joy of self sufficiency and the feeling of security that comes from owning their own submachine gun. We humbly offer these as a token of our understanding and sympathy to their cause.”

The A-20’s are scheduled to fly out later today with the associated support gear arriving by cargo plane. Atu’an has not announced details of their shipment, except to say that the ship had left earlier today bound for an unspecified Torontia port.

For Aysheaia News Network, this is Rather Konki’ite

"Message acknowledged."

The Parliamental Burea started discussing...

OOC: Could everyone move to a region with less nations, so we can see each other on NSEconomy.

From: The Republic of Torontia

To: Allemande

The Republic of Torontia has uncovered some horrible evidence.

Certain terrorists and criminals in the university were making phone calls and making up false conservations about some bizarre claim that our security forces were killing people not related to the terrorist uprising in the university.

This was done so that it could be put out on terrorist supporting websites and spread vile communist terrorist propoganda to tarnish our nations good image.

Torontia urges you to not believe in these evil terrorist lies and to stand with our legitimate government and help us crush the evil terrorist uprising.

Torontia also asks why your nation has not made any statement on those poor innocent consumers who were killed in the shopping district by the terrorists?

Torontia can offer the bodies of your dead and compensation.

President Paul Kaufman

OOC: You can avoid the "too many nations in the region" bug by using a custom region string. For instance, mine is http://nseconomy.thirdgeek.com/nseconomy.php?nation=Aysheaia&nationstring=Aysheaia

A general was very angry, and without orders, dispatched two wings of airplanes. Two wings of high-altitude bombers, along with their fighter escort, were above the clouds of the wealthy area of city. (non-slums). They dropped more then one thousand incendiary and explosive bombs over it quickly, by carpet-bombing the city. The bombers quickly went back to the IOS, and were out of sight, and escaped. At the same time, a similiar strike force tried to bomb everything naval, in Vancouver. Of course, this action was not authorized by the IOS, and was because of one rogue general. But all the bombers disappeared before they knew what hit them.

Slum district of Seattle, Torontia

A fleet of 45 AH-64 'Apache' attack helicopters flew towards the gaint shanty town that made up the living quaters of Seattles poor residents.

As they flew in, they released their missiles and rockets on the makeshift homes.

Thousands of people were running for their lives and screaming as the rockets and missiles hit.

One helicopter, acting on Kaufmans direct orders, fired it's missiles into a shack that served as a makeshift school. Over a hundered children were killed in the attack.

After they finished their attack, the helicopters flew back to base.

TOTAL DEATH TOLL:

3,976 civilians from the slum district.

OOC: Uh...if you're not going to list a death toll from the Terrorist Bombings of the Rogue General, then can I do it? I'm great at describing battle damages from carpet bombing. I've studied carpet bombing extensively, for hours on hand. (I'm a nerd. :sniper: )

Presidential Palace, Seattle

PAUL KAUFMAN "What the fuck was that!"

JAMES BAKER "We have been hit by the air force of the nation of Serapindal. They bombed the business and consumer districts. Many hundereds of decent citizens (Kaufman's label for the wealthy Torontians) have been killed."

PAUL KAUFMAN "Order the military to go on full alert and secure the nations borders, ports, airports and the airspace! Get the military geared up for war and prepare for possible air strikes on those communist fucks in Serapindal."

JAMES BAKER "Very Well."

PAUL KAUFMAN "Im off to my bunker underground, should you need me tonight."

OOC: Am I still allowed to do an in-depth examination of the damages. I love carpet-bombing damamges. ;) It's my speciality.

DEATH TOLL FROM AIR STRIKE BY SERAPINDAL:

679 decent citizens (rich Torontians).

12 servant class civilians (poor slum dwellers).

16 Republican Guards.

(OOC)

The side that is attacked can do death tolls.

If I attack you, you make the death toll and vice versa.

Since I RP both Kaufmans side and the rebels, Ill do both sides.

OOC: I think that's a bit unrealistic eh? Because from what I know, Carpet bombing has a lot more causlaties. For example, the carpet bombing on Tokyo, Japan, in WWII, had about twice the number of planes I had, but more then 100,000 people died. A similiar bombing on Kobe left nearly 9,000 people dead, and 650,000 homeless. Another similiar one left more then 43,000 dead. I would at least think 15,000+ people would have died.

OOC: Well, 1000 bombs isn't much of a carpet bomb. Maybe a small throw rug...

(OOC)

As my air force did not repsond to your air raid, the size of it must have been small as a very large arieal assault, like on Japan, would have been easily spotted and we would have intercepted it.

Plus the rich live in very spacious homes, unlike the poor who cramp together in slums.

Plus the poor don't get hospital treatment.

OOC: Well, they were big incendairy bombs. Also, despite that, you'd think at least 5,000 would have died. I mean, 679 is ridicolus. And carpet bombings are usually incendiary. Hospital treatmant didn't help anyone who died. They were killed before they could get to a hospital. Also, you can't see them if they're over the clouds, with high-altidue bombing. So even compesating for the spacious homes, you'd expect 10,000 people dead or so. And a lot and lot and lot and lot of property damage.

OOC: So what you're saying is "we just OMGWTFBBQ'd you and then left without you having a chance to defend yourself. I want to see 10,000's of burnt bodies. Have a nice day!"

OOC: Not really. A bomber like this can carry about 5-10 tons of bombs each. That's lots and lots of bombs. Meaning it'll kill somewhere between 5,000-10,000 people, with a lot of property damage. Hardly 10,000's.

After shifting through the destoyed shopping district, emergency services uncovered several thousand more bodies on top of the original death toll.

TOTAL DEATH TOLL:

4988 decent citizens.

122 Republican Guards.

67 slum dwellers/servent class civilians.

(OOC) Im going to be gone for a bit.

Play later tonite.

OOC: That's very good, and quite fair. Thanks, that was pretty cool. *gives you thumbs up* In fact, we'll assume there was minimal property damage.

The IOS sent a message quite immediately to Torontia.

"That Terrorist attack was not sanctioned by the IOS. It was a rogue traitourous general. We offer condolences to any people killed, and we say that even now, the Terrorist Rogue General in question, has been court-marshalled, and is being tried in a millitary court even as of now."

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From: The Republic of Torontia

To: Allemande

The Republic of Torontia has uncovered some horrible evidence.

Certain terrorists and criminals in the university were making phone calls and making up false conservations about some bizarre claim that our security forces were killing people not related to the terrorist uprising in the university.

This was done so that it could be put out on terrorist supporting websites and spread vile communist terrorist propoganda to tarnish our nations good image.

Torontia urges you to not believe in these evil terrorist lies and to stand with our legitimate government and help us crush the evil terrorist uprising.

Torontia also asks why your nation has not made any statement on those poor innocent consumers who were killed in the shopping district by the terrorists?

Torontia can offer the bodies of your dead and compensation.

President Paul Kaufman"F_ck_ing liars!" shouted President Blum.To: The Republic of Torontia
From: The United States of Allemande

You will send us back the bodies of our dead, and those of the Islamic Republic of Ayaddha, immediately."Now," said the President, "Get me George Boromil on the phone - and the Secretary of the Treasury."

A teenage boy surrounded by clerics (name for High Father's Elite Guard), the best of the best of the best, moved into the Republican Senate building.

High Father has personally condemned the attacks in Torontia, and says that nations shouldn't be so trigger happy, and that a nation has its own soverignty. A speech that was laced with sabre-waving and empty threats. Of course that wasn't the only reaction. Special forces have been swimming in, and seeing the damage, they now replaced a shipment of pistols with medpacks. At a prearranged point, some rebels stood by as the water burped. 2 packages floated up, in one was medical supplies, in another was Grenades, Combat Knives, 5 lbs of C4.

As High Father made his speech, the state-owned Sierra Visions Inc. sent another coded message to Torontia.

Decrypting...
Running Trace Route...
LAG...PACKET OVERFLOW...
Trace failed, target not found [Error:6234 Lost midpacket, stream disconnect]
Decryption complete:

Just check out our storefront, but instead of sending the message there, contact us directly. We'll help you out.

[END]

The person arranging this knew that would increase official unofficial Leafanistani aid shipments as the rebels and loyalists would become better armed. But she didnt' care, her job was to maximize profits and serve the people. The Leafanistani People.

OOC:Im back!
IC:The Division and its brigade attachment had formed up. The APC-45s and LBT-44s rolled out towards the slums. They were prepared to put down the rebellion with deadly force.

As a sign of good will to the Torontian people, we are sending 20 BDRM-3 Scout Cars in the Medical Evacuation Role to Torontia to help with the recovery of citizens, in case this situation happens again.

-Minister of like a Hammer hits a Cantalope

OOC: Yes, I am using song lyrics for my ministers, I'm bored.

Cargo planes, large modified Airbuses, left a staging area in Leafanistan, and flew carrying their cargo to Torontia.

That evening, special forces once again paid a visit to the rebels in Seattle, probably for hte last time. They floated upthe final shipment, RPG-7s with tandem-HEAT rounds.

"Thank you for coming to see me," said President Blum.

"I'm surprised that you let me in here," mused George Boromil. "Last time you talked about me, you spoke of me as though I were the Son of Satan."

"Politics," said the President, pouring the currency speculator a brandy, and then sitting down opposite him on the couch with a glass of his own. "George, I'm asking you to do something for your country."

"And that would be?" asked Boromil suspiciously.

"Make a sh_tl__d of money."

George Boromil sat in his command post - a room beneath his mansion where he and his staff monitored the ebb and flow of the world's financial markets.

The libre, he noted, was trading just slightly up from its normal position of $1.48, at $1.4946. The Torontian credit was running at 46.82¢, down from its recent high of 52¢. That gave him ... 159,608,334,000 credits to play with.

But of course he had much, much more than that.

He'd gotten a call a few hours ago that the Security and Exchange Commission would likely be "too busy" to look closely at any "large margin operations" that he might initiate "over the next few days". And naturally, he'd called as many of the other 98 investors in the Boromil Hedge Fund to get they're assistance in securing bank credit, additional financing, etc. His war chest, he believed, credit and all, was probably well over £250,000,000,000, which meant that he might have as many as a trillion Torontian credits to work with.

At this level, it all looked like Monopoly money.

And so George Boromil, the man most despised by hundreds of Central Banks around the world, was about to stage the greatest currency raid in the history of capitalism.

"Is everybody ready?" he asked his staff. Their expectant faces told him they were.

"Then to arms!" he said, with a wink.

I wonder, he thought as he relaxed into his well worn "command chair", if this is how Atilla the Hun felt.

Computers are wonderful machines.

Plugged into the global Internet, with its financial daggers at the throat of the world's currency markets, and powered by a 256-node Grendel array of 4-way Denebian Lugnux servers connected by dedicated quadruple super-switched gigabit Ethernet cabling as a de facto cluster bus, the New Huns galloped across the financial Danube intent on rape, pillage, and plunder - or the financial equivalent of the same.

They struck on a hundred financial markets at once, so fast that none had time to register events unfolding on the others. This was George Boromil's style - speed and ruthless efficiency.

In 10 minutes, Boromil's barbarians sold 25% more Torontian credits than actually existed. This was possible due to the peculiarities of the market in derivatives.

In the modern market, bless its greedy soul, you could sell anything. You could even sell the Brooklyn Bridge - and do it legally - as long as you were willing to enter into a legally binding arrangement whereby you would actually deliver the blasted thing - to the last girder - as some future date.

That was the glory of the market. If you didn't have a Torontian credit to sell, you could borrow one and sell it, promising to return the borrowed credit at a later date. You could sell a promise to sell a credit tomorrow, or next week, or next month, or next year, or all of the above. You could sell the same credit countless times as long as you could find a buyer for it.

You just had to be able to keep your promises.

Which was really easy, because you could buy the same credit just as many times.

It was a little, Boromil mused as he watched the screens, like quantum mechanics. In the modern market, you couldn't really say where anything was with precision and have that mean anything. It was the whole effect that mattered.

And the whole effect was glorious.

Before the Torontian Central Bank could respond, the Torontian credit was in full retreat. Actually, that wasn't really true. The Torontian credit was in a state of rout. Like soldiers whose morale was hopelessly blown, those Torontian credits were streaming from the financial battlefield, arms flung down, all hope lost.

Effectively, the Republic of Torontia was bankrupt. They just didn't know it yet.

"Phase One completed," said Boromil over the phone to the President. "Your turn."

Hanging up, George Boromil turned on ABC News.

Michael Blum was about to yell "fire!" in a crowded theater at the very moment the patrons began smelling the matches that he, George Boromil, was busily cooking off in the back row.

He wondered who would play his part when they made this into a movie.

~~~~~~~~~~

Investors are a funny breed.

For many of them, the movements of the Market take on a life of their own. They see the Market retreat, and they respond. They don't ask why, they just respond. They may reach for ANN or go to the Web or turn to the broker next to them and say, "WTF is happening to the Torontian credit?!?", but when money is on the line, they react. In the case of the onslaught of Boromil's Huns, they reacted like scalded rabbits.

They bolted.

The rollback of the Torontian credit escalated from a torrent to a flood, a vast Mississippi of fear, rolling down to the Sea. It was a thing of beauty.

Of course, people tried to find out why the credit was in rout - not that it mattered that much - by turning to the media. And as they did, they saw the breaking news that the United States of Allemande, a nation over 100 times larger than the puny Republic of Torontia, was issuing an ultimatum.

Reporters were scrambling to get to their stations as the President prepared to speak. The details were unimportant, Boromil mused. It was the underlying tone of deadly seriousness that matter. Markets, thought George Boromil, are as much about emotion as anything else.

But it was good stuff, as far as political theatre went. The tape of the poor hysterical, student crying as the soldiers broke down the doors of the other dorm rooms and gunned down the residents, then the splintering of wood, her screams, and the rip of automatic weapons fire were like a knife in the gut. And then President Blum, with barely concealed outrage, reading President Kaufman's transparent lies about "faked" transmissions.

Boromil snorted at that. He hated poor liars. Good liars, they deserved credit. Bad liars deserved their lumps.

Kaufman and his team were getting their lumps.

Michael Blum ended with an almost Churchillian challenge. Kaufman and his "thugs" would have to answer for their crimes. Unless "suitable action" was taken within 24 hours, Allemande would "react".

It was great because it sounded tougher than it was. George Boromil's assessment of Michael Blum went up a couple of notches. This guy was good.

Of course, no one understood the real purpose of the broadcast. It was to give those tens of thousands of brokers and day traders worldwide a reason for the collapse of the Torontian credit. They could now throw away those credits without a second thought, like so much junk.

Which was exactly what George Boromil wanted them to do.

"Folks," he said, raising his hand. His Huns turned in their saddles to look at him.

"Begin Phase Two."

OOC:The main problem I see with that is that you stated what every single corporation in the world did. I suggest you reviese that. Every single corporation is not going to bolt just because a single corporation starts selling Torontian credits doesnt mean all of them will.

IC:Official Statement From Red Tide Goverment
"We condemn the imperialist regime of the nation Allemende. We WOULD have supported them if they had simply asked for financial compensation, WOULD have supported them if they asked for the bodies to be returned(which they were offered to by Torontia). If they do not backdown we will be forced to deploy the 9th Corps to Torontia as well as the 3rd Carrier Battlegroup. We also notice an attempted attack by a Allemende Corporation on the Torontian credit, obviously under either bribery or just plain intimidation by their goverment."
End Message

OOC2:A Corp usually consists of 5 divisions(3 of them with Anti-Air, Artillery, Anti Tank, or Close Combat Brigade Attachments). 3 of those divisions are regular motorised infantry(referred to as infantry), a single Mechanized Infantry and a single Armored Division.

A Carrier Battlegroup contains:
1 TSUNAMIS Class VTOL Supercarrier
5 G-Battleships
5 M-Battleships
10 TIDAL WAVE Class Destroyers
24 MOCKINGBIRD Class Frigates

OOC:The main problem I see with that is that you stated what every single corporation in the world did. I suggest you reviese that. Every single corporation is not going to bolt just because a single corporation starts selling Torontian credits doesnt mean all of them will.OOC: Re-read what's happening.He'd gotten a call a few hours ago that the Security and Exchange Commission would likely be "too busy" to look closely at any "large margin operations" that he might initiate "over the next few days". And naturally, he'd called as many of the other 98 investors in the Boromil Hedge Fund to get they're assistance in securing bank credit, additional financing, etc. His war chest, he believed, credit and all, was probably well over £250,000,000,000, which meant that he might have as many as a trillion Torontian credits to work with.A hedge fund, backed by several major banks and a government (to the tune of £50,000,000,000 in guaranteed Allemande Treasury bonds, which, assuming 20% margin requirements, translates to a quarter-trillion libres) launches a full-bore assault on a small country's currency.

Back on "Black Wednesday" (September 16th, 1992), hedge fund manager George Soros led an assault of the British Treasury that knocked about 24% off the value of the British Pound in a single day, without anywhere near that much money in his warchest and no backing from any major government; in 1998 his attack on the ruble forced a 25% devaluation in that currency, even though he lost $2 billion in the process. Besides, Torontia's currency would already be in trouble due to the fact that their capital city is in flames, over 10,000 of their people have died in the last 24 hours, and a nation 100 times their size is threatening them.

Sure, someone will buy their currency. Most people are going to look at the situation and bolt. Under the circumstances, it doesn't seem unrealistic to expect their currency to lose anywhere from 50-80% of its value as a result of our intervention.

Of course, you're just miffed because we're not going toe-to-toe with you on the field of manly combat, aren't you? ;)We also notice an attempted attack by a Allemende Corporation on the Torontian credit, obviously under either bribery or just plain intimidation by their goverment.You're assuming that you can trace the transactions, which would be difficult to do on such short notice, especially in a world with 120,000 countries.We WOULD have supported them if they had simply asked for financial compensation, WOULD have supported them if they asked for the bodies to be returned(which they were offered to by Torontia)."The government of Red Tide2 assumes that mere cash payments will satisfy the families whose children have been murdered, as though life can be bought or sold without a second thought," said Secretary of State Edith Mayenne on the interview broadcast on ABC News."What we want is justice: the extradiction of those responsible for murdering our citizens."

"As for the return of the bodies of the dead, that is every government's duty."

OOC:Is there a record of him entrusting you with a hedgefund? Also, there is the fact that a country bigger then even YOURS is supporting them.
IC:
Official Statement From Red Tide
"Nothing can change the fact that they died. It would have been better if you had not sent them at all, right? Well they went, and they wound up in the wrong place at the wrong time, the soldiers could have easily mistaken them for the protestors, with their orders and all, there is no doubt that some of them WERE protesting. Money will not satisfy the families, yes, but it will offer some solice(OOC:SP?). And now you are going to waste the lives of young men and women, probably the same age as THOSE collage students, in a fruitless combat in which they will be slaughtered? Hypocisy comes to mind."
End Message

It would have been better if you had not sent them at all, right?"Fascist governments like Red Tide2 may tell their citizens where to go, but free societies permit their citizens to travel at will," continued Mayenne. "It is not the responsibility of nations that permit their citizens to travel to protect those citizens overseas; it is the responsibility of host governments to protect them. If a host government is not prepared to do that, it should not allow foreigners to visit."... the soldiers could have easily mistaken them for the protestors, with their orders and all..."There is no excuse for issuing orders to slaughter everybody on a college campus, whether they are guilty of a crime or not. Such butchery is intolerable."... there is no doubt that some of them WERE protesting."That innocent lives were taken is cause enough for outrage."Money will not satisfy the families, yes, but it will offer some solice"Justice is the only acceptable coin to repay the families of the victims of this atrocity. The officials responsible for this crime against humanity must be punished."And now you are going to waste the lives of young men and women, probably the same age as THOSE collage students, in a fruitless combat in which they will be slaughtered? Hypocisy comes to mind.OOC: Asymmetrical warfare is an interesting thing. And as for hypocrisy, I doubt you would simply accept the slaughter or your citizens so easily. Then again, maybe you would.

Perhaps we'll even find out.

After dark, Major Lamont's special forces team made its way ashore.

A few of the men broke into a used car lot and secured a small van and a pair of pickup trucks; these were brought to the beach with lights off and loaded with several cases of equipment brought in on rubber rafts. As they were loaded, their license plates were swapped to confound law enforcement personnel. The ruse wouldn't work for long, but it would at least get them to Seattle's slums.


Once the vehicles were loaded, some of the men remained behind to secure the landing zone, taking up overwatch positions just inland in abandoned buildings or hastily constructed blinds; the remainder, including Major Lamont, took the vehicles inland to link up with the rebels.

OOC:I see you ignored my question about the hedgefund.
IC:Offcial Statement From Red Tide Goverment
"Due to continued imperilistic aggression by the Imperialist Regime of Allemnde, we are forced to deploy the rest of the ninth Corps(of which the 28th mechanised and its attached brigade are already part of) as well as the 3rd Carrier Battlegroup. The Allamende Goverment have refused to back down despite the fact that the Torontian goverment APOLOGISED for the incident, despite the fact that the foriegn students killings was ACCIDENTAL, despite the fact that the bodies were offered to be returned, despite the fact that . Further more, a Allemande corporation brutaly attacked the Torontian currency, obviosuly via bribery or intimidation by their goverment."
End Message
OOC:I think we should hold off on further IC posts until Torontia gets back.

From: The Republic of Torontia

To: The global business community

The Republic of Torontia wishes to urge all investors and corporations that all is well in Torontia despite the economic sabotage inflicted on us by the evil communist nation of Allemande.

It is business as usual in Torontia.

Torontian security forces have dealt with the terrorist uprising at Seattle City University in an effective manner and the terrorists have been wiped out.

At this very moment in time, Torontian security forces are putting down a criminal gang in the city centre of Seattle and soon all will be well!

Torontia has always welcomed investors and Torontia has always been one of the few nations in the world to support the efforts of the global business community in developing the global economy.

Torontia urges everyone to stay on the course and to not let terrorists dictate our efforts for economic growth and the prosperity of all under the global economy.

President Paul Kaufman

Presidential Palace, Seattle

PAUL KAUFMAN "We have been hit in the hardest way by those communist bastards in Allemande! Those fucks have gone over to the terrorists and wish to destroy everything I have worked so hard to achieve. Well fuck their dead 'students', Ill be dammed if I send their bodies back or offer any compensation. Our economy is near collapse!"

JAMES BAKER "Mr. President, I suggest putting out a decree and an order to the security forces to shoot all other citizens who have any links to Allemande. They may be helping the communist gangsters who run that nation."

PAUL KAUFMAN "Yes, thank you for suggesting that. As of now, consider that order to be in full effect!"

JAMES BAKER "What else do you wish for?"

PAUL KAUFMAN "I want the Republican Guard to secure the mouth of the canal on the Pacific coast. I want patrol boats going along up the canal and attack helicopters to be in constant patrol in the skies above over the canal and the Seattle coastline. If anyone send aid to the rebels, the coastline and the canal are our weakest points. I want the canal and the coast to be totally secure and also, ban ANYONE but the security forces from being allowed on the coastline or near the canal. Any Torontian citizen, rich or slum dweller and any foreign people must be shot dead on site if they are seen there!"

JAMES BAKER "What are we going to tell the nation of Red Tide 2 in light of the currency attack by Allemande."

PAUL KAUFMAN "I hate having to do this, I thought Torontia would never have to stoop so low like those fucking third world nations but, Im going to ask for Red Tide 2 to give us free weapons and military supplies as well as food and medical supplies. I am also going to ask them if they can begin airstrikes on Allemande to destroy their air force and their government structure. Also if Red Tide 2 has nuclear weapons, hehe, we could maybe take out their cities and wipe out the commie scum that live in that poor excuse for a nation!"

JAMES BAKER "Like always sir, even in the most trying of times you keep a cool head and always come out with brilliant plans."

TOP SECRET MESSAGE

From: The Republic of Torontia

To: Red Tide 2

As you well know by now, Torontia's currency has been hit by terrorist economic sabotage by the communist tyranny of Allemande.

It is within the context of this crisis that Torontia asks for 50 billion USD as our currency at the moment does not serve it's purpose and therefore we need dollars.

Torontia also urges and increase in your military deployment in Torontia as the terrorist uprising seems to be spreading and there are rumours that civil unrest could soon occur in Vancouver and in the state of Oregon. This and the increased threat of invasion by a large and powerful communist nation.

Torontia also needs large amounts of food and medical supplies and we also need large amounts of ammunition and weapons. Every type of weapons, from guns and grenades to tanks and APCs and helicopters and jet fighters.

Torontia ask of this because our two great nations have so much in common and together we can form a strong alliance but all of that would be in ruins if the terrorists and the communists get their evil dirty hands on Torontia.

As a friend and a fellow warrior against the global communist threat, I hope you accept our needs.


President Paul Kaufman

Seattle

Jack Norton looked on at the now burning Seattle business district with glee.

The revolt had spread to the very centre of power of Kaufman's tyranny in Torontia and he had this gut feeling that this time, they could win.

As the rebels were rampaging through the city, Norton had used his laptop to get in touch with other dissedents across Torontia and thought that now was the time for the revolt to group into one revolutionary force, complete with it's own objectives and structure.

The anarchists were the most supportive of Norton, for their views were more or less the same and the communists, although not wanting to totally get absorbed into the anarchist wing, felt that unity was the only thing they had that could give them an advantage over Kaufman.

Norton, after finishing his discussions with the communists, students at other universities and the anarchists, then began to type up the name and policies of his group, to be put out on the internet and to appeal to the international community to help them against Kaufman.

INTERNET MESSAGE

From: Anti-Capitalist Resistance Group

To: The International Community

This is a communique from the Anti-Capitalist Resistance Group (ACRG).

The ACRG is the movement behind the quest for freedom and justice in Torontia. The ACRG is the representative of all of those oppressed people who have risen up against the fascist tyranny of the Kaufman regime.

Before we ask of assistance from those freedom loving nations, we wish to put forward our goals:

*The removal of the Kuafman government and the abolition of the fascist New Order system.

*To have Kaufman and all of his government ministers, along with all officers in the police, Republican Guard and the military to be brought to justice and tried for crimes against humantiy.

*To create a democratic communist society, where capitalism is no more and real democracy reigns supreme.

*That all public officials, cabinet ministers, judges, military officers, police officials and all civil servents be ELECTED to office for a five year term and that through petition, they can be recalled by the people at ANY time for a vote of confidence during their five year term.

*To abolish ALL banks and corporations and to put them under the control of the workers, NOT the state or the private sector.

*The creation of an equal society were class and authority from above is abolished and that all men and women are equal.

*The legalistaiton of homosexuality and all drugs and the abolition of the death penalty and torture.

The ACRG, having stating it's aims, asks all of those who support us to help us!

Spokeperson for the collective of the ACRG: Jack Norton

http://www.nationstates.net/images/flags/uploads/holy_panooly.jpgOfficial Declaration

'Again a nation falls within the evil grasp of communism and socialism, an ideology sent forth to earth by satan and his evil minions Karl Marx and Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov and others wicked human beings. No, Holy Panooly has no fear of communism and other platforms of left wing, collective thinking. It's very sad to see your nation pass away into anarchy - while the capitalist reign and enjoy the fruits of prosperity and free trade, your foolish peasants known as "citizens" decide to throw away their civil liberties for something as inept and inane known as communism. Collective idiocy.'

- Captain J. Bloomsburry, Commander of the (imaginary) Panoolian Fleet.

Top Secret Reply From Red Tide Goverment
"We would be more then happy to wire you 50 Billion USD, on the note of increased military deployment, that is already happening in the form of the deployment of the ninth corps (one division of which is already in your nation)and the 3rd carrier battlegroup. As for arms, we can supply you with stocks from our reserves, We can deliver a entire armoured division worth of equipment. That will have to wait until we finish delivering our troops though. We also offer you 10 batteries of MDM-4 SAMs. Each battery consists of: 10 Launchers(dissassembled), 5 Transporters, 1 Radar Array(dissassembled)."
End Message

The mechanized division rolled into the Seattle, rumbling through the high class area of the city, it came across a group of rebels, the APC-45s turrets turned and pointed at the Rebels and the dual 23mm rapid firing FLAK cannons opened up.

REBEL DEATH TOLL FROM RED TIDE 2 ATTACK:

89 rebel soldiers

13 slum dwellers

2 decent (rich) citizens

From: The Republic of Torontia

To: Red Tide 2

The Republic of Torontia thanks you for your donation and your military supplies.

We also thank you for your attack on the terrorist gang in central Seattle and wish you luck in wiping out more terrorists.

To: Holy Panooly

The Republic of Torontia thanks you for your support and wishes to assure you that Torontia will never fall into the evil grip of communism.

We stand united in our great battle against the terrorists!

President Paul Kaufman

The APCs and LBTs rumbled on, systematically erradicating any groups of rebels they could find. Simultaneously, more troops began to arrive at the Seattle International Airport, in this case it was the first few companies of the 13th Armored Division. It would be several more hours before the division was up and running, but a Red Tidean Armored Division was a force to be reckoned with, they consist mostly of MBT-65 Main Battle Tanks and soldiers in APC-45s. There were also 2 battalions of artillery(consisting of Self Proppeled 175mm cannons and MDM-3 MLRSs), 1 battalion of Anti-Air(consisting entirely of M-1 Tunguska RT-Model Gun/Missile Anti-Air Systems). Overall enough firepower to take over a city.

"The IOS, or the Imperium of Serapindal, again apologizes for the Terrorist acts of a Rogue General. He is being dealt with as we speak now, and we offer condolences to the civilians killed in the attack.-Premier Avlix Axrath

From: The Republic of Torontia

To: Serapindal

The Republic of Torontia has suffered from the terrorist attack by your criminal who managed to reach the rank of general.

Torontia will expect that Serapindal will have the death penatly applied on the general, for his evil act of mass murder.

Torontia also thinks it right if you could pay for the damage done by your 'general'. Rebuilding is not free you know!

President Paul Kaufman

"Of course, IOS policy states that when a Criminal is tried with a crime warranting the Death Penatly, the choice whether to apply it or not to the person in question, is also up to the person in the question. He however, did choose Death. And they've decided to throw him over Seattle from a plane."

lol, just make sure you don't hit me!

Paul Kaufman

To Torontia:

May I ask, in your society, how does one get rich?

-Avlis Axrath, Premier of the Imperium of Serapindal

By being born into rich parents, by doing extraordinary services to the state and through being a enterprising businessman.

To Torontia:

Wouldn't it be more effective to implement a meritocracy, because then the lower-class would have an incentive to work harder, so that would equal higher productivity, and it ensures that the people in the upper-class are the more competant, hard-working, and intelligent ones.

-Avlix Axrath, Premier of the Imperium of Serapindal

No, our system works due to the slave like condition of the workers and the complete lack of democracy for anyone outside of the rich elite.

We don't house, care or feed our workers. They eat out of garbage dumps, like in shanty towns and when they fall ill they most likely die, for they can't get healthcare.

Our incentive for them to work harder is fear, if they don't conform they die.

Incentives like what you suggested cost a lot of money and make too many people rich, thus destroying the balance of power.

Our economic/political system (New Order) is booming and I urge you to adopt it in your nation, for you will benefit from it.

To Torontia:

Thanks, but no thanks. I'm going to stick with my meritocratic system, mostly because it seems to work for us. The same may not be true with you, but we'll never know. Though I do find that your nation has a suprisingly high number of Crime, Riots, and etc. Wonder why...

OOC:I see you ignored my question about the hedgefund.
IC:Offcial Statement From Red Tide GovermentOOC: It wasn't worthy of an answer. My nation, my citizens - public and private alike.

Secret IC to Torontia:

Our company has reworked a few books and twisted a few computers so any order small than 7 billion USD won't be noticed. I suggest you take advantage of this soon, we have no idea when the State Auditors show up and we have to hide what we've done.

-Sierra Visions Inc.
The Glorious Republic of Leafanistan

Secret IC to Allemande

We've been cut off from suppling weapons to the rebels. Our special forces are reporting heavy resistance and they've been unable to sneak by. Can you help in any way?

-Minister of Secret Actions
The Glorious Republic of Leafanistan

"We have been hit in the hardest way by those communist bastards in Allemande!OOC: Wow, I'm a communist now? Tell the U.N. - they all think I'm good buddies with W. (that was before I quit).JAMES BAKER:...OOC: Cute! ;)

Your leader is striving for the Richard Milhouse Nixon Award for the Most Liberal Use of Profanity in the Cabinet Room? :D

Back to IC...

The Daughter of Fortune lay at anchor in Elliot Bay, with the lights of downtown Seattle shimmering to one side. The pop and crackle of small arms fire could be heard in the distance, while a hint of smoke hung on the air as a testament to what was happening. With a splash the last crate, buoyed by slabs of foam, hit the water. After that, silence from the cargo 'foil. After a time there came the whine of a winch, the grinding of chain, then the rumble of motors as the ship began to wend it's way back home.

By morning the crates would have washed up along the waterfront, siblings to those already scraping Puget Sound beach in Ballard and north. Nestled inside, packed carefully to avoid the damp, their cargo* waited for discovery.

*OOC: The 10,000 campact Atu'an submachinegunss mentioned previously, along with some 3 million rounds of ammunition. It's a lot of crates ;)

The Daughter of Fortune lay at anchor in Elliot Bay, with the lights of downtown Seattle shimmering to one side. The pop and crackle of small arms fire could be heard in the distance, while a hint of smoke hung on the air as a testament to what was happening. With a splash the last crate, buoyed by slabs of foam, hit the water. After that, silence from the cargo 'foil. After a time there came the whine of a winch, the grinding of chain, then the rumble of motors as the ship began to wend it's way back home.

By morning the crates would have washed up along the waterfront, siblings to those already scraping Puget Sound beach in Ballard and north. Nestled inside, packed carefully to avoid the damp, their cargo* waited for discovery.

*OOC: The 10,000 campact Atu'an submachinegunss mentioned previously, along with some 3 million rounds of ammunition. It's a lot of crates ;)

I would avoid using weapons that are clearly made by companies in your country. I would use generic weapons manufactured in many countries so as to make sure they can't be traced back to you.

INTERNET MESSAGE

From: Anti-Capitalist Resistance Group

To: The International Community

This is a communique from the Anti-Capitalist Resistance Group (ACRG).

The ACRG is the movement behind the quest for freedom and justice in Torontia. The ACRG is the representative of all of those oppressed people who have risen up against the fascist tyranny of the Kaufman regime.

Before we ask of assistance from those freedom loving nations, we wish to put forward our goals:

*The removal of the Kuafman government and the abolition of the fascist New Order system.

*To have Kaufman and all of his government ministers, along with all officers in the police, Republican Guard and the military to be brought to justice and tried for crimes against humantiy.

*To create a democratic communist society, where capitalism is no more and real democracy reigns supreme.

*That all public officials, cabinet ministers, judges, military officers, police officials and all civil servents be ELECTED to office for a five year term and that through petition, they can be recalled by the people at ANY time for a vote of confidence during their five year term.

*To abolish ALL banks and corporations and to put them under the control of the workers, NOT the state or the private sector.

*The creation of an equal society were class and authority from above is abolished and that all men and women are equal.

*The legalistaiton of homosexuality and all drugs and the abolition of the death penalty and torture.

The ACRG, having stating it's aims, asks all of those who support us to help us!

Spokeperson for the collective of the ACRG: Jack Norton"Isn't there a political center in Torontia?" asked Michael Blum.

"Barker and the Liberal Party," replied Secretary of State Mayenne. "But they seem to be missing in action."

"Try to find them," said the President. "Or find out what's become of them."

From: The Republic of Torontia

To: Allemande

The Republic of Torontia now has nothing but outright hatred for your poor excuse of a nation.

Your terrorist attack on our booming economy will never be forgotten.

Torontia showed nothing but goodwill and respect for your nation and your people when we offered to fly the bodies of your dead students back and offer compensation to their families, which had it have been paid would of toped 1 billion in total!

Not once did your government blame those responsible for the loss of life at the Seattle City University, the student terrorist gang who aimed to cause bloodshed and mayhem in our nation.

The terrorist student gang were the cause of our security operation at the university and the accidental loss of life of your students in the compound.

Yet you blame our brave security forces who had to do battle against a dangerous foe at the university, a gang of criminal students who outnumbered the security forces and wished for nothing but genocide.

In response to your nation's terrorist activities, we are no longer going to offer compensation and we have thrown the bodies of your students into a pit of dogs and have filmed their dead bodies being torn apart. We will ensure that the world will see what happens to your vile people.

Furthermore, Torontia has frozen all assets of Allemande in Torontia and will now shoot all Allemande citizens that we find in our nation.

Your evil nation of communist gangsters and terrorists will suffer like no nation has suffered before!

President Paul Kaufman

(OOC) The Liberal Party and Barker are all but wiped out after Kaufman took power.

They no longer exist.

The ACRG is the only visible opposition to the Kaufman government.

Jack Norton hid in the slums after the Green Party was destroyed and since then he became more radical and now is an anarchist.

The ACRG are similar to the Mexican Zapatistas.

The Rogue General, Franz Meichinirtz, thought how foolish the pilots were. He asked if he could carry a bible with him, and they gladly accepted. When the item on his back was really a parachute. He landed on a cargo plane flying low, on route to the IOS, filled with 750,000 assault rifles, bought from a foreign nation, the NAMAS-Rifles. The plane was on auto-pilot, with two sleeping pilots in the front. He threw out as many rifles as he could, about a little more 10,000 of them, and then jumped out to make sure they all landed in the slums, for rebels to get at them. Gleeful rebels caught them, and ran, but a few didn't. But 10,000 did get into their hands. He landed on the ground, supplying the weapons to all the rebels he could see, and then ran away before the authorites got hold of what was happening. The bitter irony of it all. And the IOS had no idea what was going on.

The Mechanized-Infantry Division continued through the Rich area of Torontia. Blasting away Rebel groups, exterminating them, shooting most of the ones who surrrendered. Several LBT-44s rolled straight into a group of particularly large rebels and began erradicating them with 105mm cannon and machine gun fire.

In the meantime the armored division up at the airport had formed up and circled around the city, entering on the side of the Slums. They began to notice NAMAS Assualt Rifles laying around, half of them of them in rebel hands, those rebels of course were gunned down. No sooner had the armored division moved out then the next division, this one being an infantry division reinforced with an extra artillery brigade, began to arrive.

Along with the two events listed above, the 3rd Carrier Battlegroup steamed into the waters of Torontia in the pacific.

Meanwhile, on the other side of the city, a few rebels set themselves up, under the tuteluge of the former IOS General. They've discovered a new idea. Suicide Bombing. They hijacked a computer system, and told about seventy wealthy citizens to come to the slaughtered police station. He locked the door, and they noticed the dead policemen. He took out his rifle, and gunned them down, as they screamed, and blood splattered everywhere. He shot about sixty of them, by totally massacring them. The others were about to be shot, when the Republican Guard bursted through the windows. There were about twenty four. Knowing he was outnumbered and outgunned, the hapless rebel jumped toward them, and pressed the trigger, blowing up the bomb. The explosion tore apart the police station, killing several of the guard, and some of the remaining citizens.

In the other side of the cities, the rebels cut their losses, gathered up the remaning rifles, and ran for cover, ready to go guerilla strikes. Never again, will they go out for a full-battle.

bump

OOC:Serapindal... arnt the rebels supposed to be controlled by Torontia? Also, the NAMAS rifles that the Red Tide military finds lying around are confiscated, not left in the same place.

OOC: But an Imperium member dropped in, and he can control a small portion of the rebels. Plus, in my original gun-dropping post, it said that they already took the guns, and dispersed.

OOC:Impossible, given the amount of weapons you dropped into the city(which even then is still highly unrealistic for a single plane to carry) not all the rebels would get to all of the weapons in time. A single person cannot distribute TWO HUNDRED FIFTY THOUSAND Assualt Rifles in the several minutes it would take before the authorities respond, especially if they had been scattered all over one side of a city. Then there is the factor that rebels keep weapon caches, some of these caches would have been captured by now. Finally, you claimed that all the rebels in the slums picked up rifles and went into hiding, therefore you claimed that you controlled the rebel group when Torontia ALREADY made it clear that HE controlled the rebel group.

OOC: Oh. heh. I made a typo. I put too many zeros on that. Gah. Lemme fix it.

OOC:Well... we still confiscate the weapons from the rebels we kill.

"Well, in a large scale, you couldn't have confiscated more then a few hundred, because you can't kill that many people at the same time with tanks..."

I would avoid using weapons that are clearly made by companies in your country. I would use generic weapons manufactured in many countries so as to make sure they can't be traced back to you.

OOC: But that would defeat the purpose! The "swordfish" is a compact, concealable SMG ideal for this sort of thing. Atu'an is hoping to garner brand identification here ;)

OOC:Nope... you can kill thousands... Take the Chinese in Tianmen Sqaure, the Russians when they invade... was it Chekzoslavia or Yugoslavia? One of those two. Plus, the 3 Star General commanding the Corps plans to level the slums of the city in order to root out the rebels.

"Red Tide2 will eventually eliminate the insurgents," said the Secretary of Defence. "Regardless of any efforts other nations - including our own - may make on their behalf. Not that we have any particular interest in supporting a communist regime in Torontia. Even the establishment of a democratic communist regime would not be in our best interests."

President Blum pondered the Defence Secretary's words for a moment.

"OK, recall our forces," he said.

OOC: That's because there were 100,000 students all packed tightly in Tianemen square, that's why a thousand were killed. In the here, the rebels are all spread out, one by one, meaning you gotta track out one each individually. That's how Guerilla Warfare operates. Meaning it takes time to kill them all, and you'll suffer sneak attacks while it. Plus, despite they were unarmed in that square, nearly a hundred soldiers died. These guy's have got assault rifles. You're going to suffer causalties, no matter what you do. Even a millitary genius can't prevent causalties.

OOC:The only reason a few hundred Chinese died is they had alot of restraint, and were poorly equipped and trained, the Red Tidean soldiers have adequate training and very good equipment, not to mention very little restraint, they dont give a damn if there are civilians in that building, if there are insurgents in there shooting at them... theyll call in artillery or aircraft right on top of it. The causualties for the Red Tidean forces so far are 8 dead, a couple dozen wounded. The predicted causualties run from 34 dead at best, around 400 at most. This is very miniscule in comparison with the amount of forces Red Tide plans to bring in(over 100,000 personnel).

OOC: Actually, the troops that were sent to that fateful square, were some of the most disciplined, fanatically loyal, best trained, and well-armed troops China had to offer. 8 dead, compared to 1000, when armed is a pretty long jump. It can easily win it for the best kill ratio in world history, by a very long shot. And when that's happening, it means you're going a little bit excessive.With your army, I'd expect at best, a 7-1, to 6-1 kill ratio. Even the U.S. forces against 60 Insurgents, lose like 10 soldiers at best. To be realistic, look back at history.

From: The Republic of Torontia

To: Allemande

The Republic of Torontia takes great pleasure at the total defeat we have inflicted on the evil communist nation of Allemande.

This vile nation has had to pull back from it's evil plots for global communist domination.

However don't think we hate you any less, your terrorist attack on our economy will never leave our minds and we look forward to doing the same thing to your nation.

I have seen the DVDs we have of the bodies of your students being torn up by the dogs we fed them to. I loved every minute of the show!

May you rot in hell, terrorist bastards!

President Paul Kaufman

Even the U.S. forces against 60 Insurgents, lose like 10 soldiers at best. To be realistic, look back at history.

OOC:Not really... a Sqaud(10 soldiers) of Regular US Army Soldiers came across two companies worth of Insurgents(like 240 men). They surprised and slaughtered the Insurgents without a single loss. Betcha all they did was call in air support and watched the show. Also, the US has been losing like a dozen too two dozen soldiers... a WEEK, my forces have been there like... 2 or 3 days, and so far the Rebels are trying to engage in direct battle... which is tantamount to suicide.
PS:Torontia, I need the rebel causualties so far.

OOC: Lets just leave this attack be. Terrific defeats are common, you have nearly 3/4s of an oppressed nation to call up.

Secret IC:

Things are going well, however I suspect that those dropoffs suppling the rebels are making things difficult. Our frigates and destroyers can send the enemy nav running. As a motion of good will from our company we will give you 200 AVT-55s, a modernized version of the T-55 to help you make sure the rebellion doesn't do much more.

-Sierra Visions Inc.

Secret IC:

A Leafanistani Submarine, noting the arrival of a RedTidean fleet, quickly dumped the remainder of its cargo into the currents and let it float toward the rebels. It contained 200 RPG-7s with tandem-HEAT rounds. The submarine then made top speed at nearly maximum depth to international waters.

To: The Republic of Torontia
From: The United States of Allemande

In response to the freezing of all Allemander assets in Torontia, we have frozen all Torontian assets in ours. Your assets will be returned to you when you release our assets and return the bodies of our dead, in whatever condition they may currently be.

Your citizens currently living or travelling within our country have been deported to Red Tide2, save for those who have requested and been approved to recieve political asylum. We have declared your country off limits to our citizens in order to protect them from any further barbarity on your part.

All diplomatic relations between our countries are hereby severed. You may contact us in the future through willing intermediaries.

The Red Tide Goverment waited until all the Torontian civilians that were in Allemende arrived in their nation.

Official Statement from Red Tide Goverment
"All Torontian citizens who have been deported to Red Tide will be sent back to their home in Torontia."
End Message

"Thank you for that information, Mr. President," said George Boromil. Then he hung up.

His Huns swung into action, buying Torontian credit futures at a tremendous discount. Given that the currency had lost a considerable portion of its value and seemed to have no bottom, anyone offering to buy Torontian credits a few days from now at even a fraction of the present market rate was deemed enough of a fool to take advantage of without further question. Boromil's short position was quickly covered, and a tidy pile of surplus credits accumulated on the side for future use.

Of course, it only took global markets 15 minutes or so to see the upward movement of credit futures, and a few minutes later the decline in the market for actual Torontian credits began to lose its force. But the Huns were already riding hard out ahead of that change in fortunes as well. When you're actually in a position to make news, Boromil reflected, you can get away with anything.

Thus, Boromil's Huns galloped in and began scarfing up every Torontian credit they could find on the open market, ahead of the rally. The futures, after all, weren't enough to meet George Boromil's plans. He needed actual Torontian credits in the here and now.

And, at the speed of light, he and his 1024 Xenophon II processors very quickly had them.

Of course, the Tech-Com Corporation (which were the ones who first noticed the assualt by the Allemende Corporation) had not sold its Torontian credits. As a matter of fact it had begun to buy faster then Boromils 'huns' had sold. It knew what was going to happen and wanted its own surplus of credits.

As the rally strengthened, investors and arbitragers once more clicked on their browsers, turned on their T.V.'s, and queried each other feverishly to learn why the collapse of the Torontian credit was reversing itself and becoming a stupendous rally. The news media appeared to deliver an answer: Red Tidean military forces were moving decisively to crush the rebellion in Seattle, and more troops were on the way to assist them in restoring order. Furthermore, Allemande appeared to have decided not to try its luck against Torontia, probably due to the immanent arrival of a powerful Red Tidean fleet in the waters off its shores. The mutual siezure of assets by Torontia and Allemande seemed of too little import to bank the optimism, and so within half an hour the Torontian credit was trading well above its starting position on the day, threatening to break the 50¢ mark.

It was one of the wildest rides that currency markets had seen in recent memory.

Boromil watched the credit rally and surge back upward in dozens of markets worldwide with some satisfaction. Like any other war, this one would see the battle lines move back and forth before it was over. This was just one such movement.

He reached for a can of Coke and swore as the finger slipped while breaking the seal. A small sliver of blood appeared near his knuckle, and he swore as he grabbed a paper tissue to cover it.

War is hell, he mused.

Of course, the Tech-Com Corporation (which were the ones who first noticed the assualt by the Allemende Corporation)...OOC: There's no such thing as the "Allemande Corporation". There's George Boromil's New Markets™ hedge fund, backed by a score of powerful banks and investment firms, as well as the other 98 multi-billionaires who've invested money in partnership with George Boromil. Behind them all, providing hard currency in the form of guaranteed Treasury notes and looking the other way while Boromil breaks a few hundred market regulations is the Government of the United States of Allemande.

Just wanted that known for the sake of accuracy.

BTW, Boromil's profits on the day are currently about $1.7 billion.

From: The Republic of Torontia

To: Allemande

The Republic of Torontia takes great pleasure at the total defeat we have inflicted on the evil communist nation of Allemande.

This vile nation has had to pull back from it's evil plots for global communist domination.

However don't think we hate you any less, your terrorist attack on our economy will never leave our minds and we look forward to doing the same thing to your nation.

I have seen the DVDs we have of the bodies of your students being torn up by the dogs we fed them to. I loved every minute of the show!

May you rot in hell, terrorist bastards!

President Paul Kaufman"Do you get the impression this guy has a few psychological problems?" asked the President rhetorically.

The Republican Navy is sending in an expeditionary force protection group to survey the situation off the coast of Torontia. If these forces are attacked by any nation actions will be taken to defend sovereign rights.

1 Avisron Class Destroyer
3 Omega Class Battleships
4 Revolver Class Cruisers
8 South Sea-class Frigates
10 Izzy Class Littoral Destroyers
1 Pegasus Class Trimaran Helicopter Assault Carrier
4 Weiland Class Submarines, 1 intelligence variant

(OOC: Sah.... I mean Torontia requested I join this RP because of the past between us. Thus, i've not read it yet but I'll make a more IC post later.)

(OOC)

Despite our past, I want you for an ally!

Lets fight together for once!

Im mean it when Im fed up with jihads!

OOC: Erm.... possibly, I don't know. I can't ally myself if you become all extreme and start being invaded and stuff. My army has a fairly good track record, 100% thus far actually, and I don't want to put them up against a nation with a few billion people because you pissed them off. :p

I'll read the thread and tell you where I stand.

OOC:

Edit; ok, so i don't feel like reading through 8 pages of this.

Anyone care to write a summary?

BTW, Boromil's profits on the day are currently about $1.7 billion.

OOC:Do you want to know the Tech-Com Corporations income or its CEOs income? Its CEOs salary is in the tens of billions(not including embazzeled funds and the such) while the corporation rakes in HUNDREDS of billions.

OOC: Uh..it seems you two guys are equal, since he said 1.7 bil in ONE day.

OOC:

Edit; ok, so i don't feel like reading through 8 pages of this.

Anyone care to write a summary?

OOC:Basicilly, Riots break out at a collage in Torontia, Torontia sends his military to subdue the riots, everyone on campus is killed including a few foreign students by accident. Allemende (one of said foreign countries) demands to know what happened, various other foreign countries try and support the rebels, I declare military support for Torontia goverment, Allemende gets its explanation and a apology as well as an offer to send back the bodies and(although I didnt see it) financial compensation. Allemende gets pissed anyways. I decide to reinforce the single Mechanized Infantry Division I have on the ground in Torontia with the rest of the corp it is part of and a Carrier Battlegroup. Various people and stuff die and blow up(respectively), Allemende launches financial attack on Torontia, Allemende decides to back down. I believe it stops there.

Edit:Accidently named Torontia Vintovia -_-!

OOC: Uh..it seems you two guys are equal, since he said 1.7 bil in ONE day.

OOC:And I didnt?

OOC: Is the said naval group in this area? If so i'll aproach it and lend my support. I'm good for some economic warfare too. McKagan Electric likes buying foreign assets in mass. :p

OOC:Yeah.. its in the area

IC

Aboard RMV Cobalt, the lead Izzy Class Littoral Destroyer, Captain Daniel Larson had just been given the breifing on what was going on. However, the breifing had also been sent back to the McKagan homeland. The President had taken the side of one of the other nations in the area, Red Tide, and was asking the expeditionary group to meet up with the allies carrier group.

(OOC; i know that sounds SUPER noobish, but i don't feel like typing a whole big thing to explain how we find out whats going on IC)

"Ok, hail the fleet, ask them if we can join them and ask whoever is in charge what he plans to do next." the Captain ordered as he took his chair for what would probably be the next 12 hours.

(OOC)

McKagan.

Read the first 3 or 4 posts of this thread on page one, that will give you all the background and causes of this conflict.

OOC: I read some of that, just wanted to find out of anything happened in the middle pages.

Allemande caused a currency collapse in Torontia, although that is now fixed and Red Tide 2 support me!

Where do your loyalties go after reading the first page?

OOC: I'm supporting Red Tide in his efforts ATM, and I may have a company from my country help in the economic war.

OOC:Basicilly, Riots break out at a collage in Vintovia, Vintovia sends his military to subdue the riots, everyone on campus is killed including a few foreign students by accident.False. Torontia, not Vintovia. Vintovia is one of my allies.
Demonstrations, not riots. The demonstrators were unarmed and peaceful.
President Kaufman ordered everyone on campus killed, whether they were participating in the demonstrations or not. Thus, some of the students who were murdered were studying in their dorm rooms or at the library, eating in cafeterias, etc.Allemende gets pissed anyways.Of course. We want the people who issued the orders to kill everyone on campus brought to justice.

Just wanted you to have the facts.

OOC: Torontia, since Seattle is in flames, would it be safe to say that the financial district is closed today and your domestic markets along with them?

Corporal Montague, touched his earpiece and sat for a minute in silence. Then he touched Major Lamont on the sleeve.

"Recall order, sir. Code ... epsilon, confirmed, epsilon."

Major Lamont shook his head. "OK, kids, we have new orders." He fought with the map, folding and refolding it a couple of times. "Dumas, here's the route that I want you to take..."

~~~~~~~~~~

Lieutenant Deneaux looked up after having recieved the encoded transmission via satellite. Tapping his mike three times in quick succession, and then three times again, he recieved the confirmation signal back from his point men. Then he motioned for the two men with him to prepare the boats for evacuation.

RMV Cobalt, 2140 Local Time, stopped of port of Seatle

"Does it LOOK like I care about any AA emplacements!"

The Captain was having a fit because he wanted to send the "recon bird" in Torontian airspace to scope things out. Of course, he didn't want to ask first. The Marine's were ready to go, as always, but the Operations Officer and XO were giving them some trouble.

"You'll be in deep shit if you get Marines killed on a recon mission over friendly territory!" the Ops officer had had enough.

The Captain began to speak. "Ok ok, ask the Torontian's if we can fly in, but they've got 4 hours and we're going anyway!"

Secret IC to McKagan:

We understand your deployment to Torontia in support of Red Tide and Torontia. We will have to understand your reasoning behind this. Torontia makes a mockery of capitalism and ruins its people.

-Minister of Foreign Affairs

Secret IC to McKagan:

We assistance moving materials into Torontia. Allemande is watching us, can you order things on behalf of them, and ship it to them, like AA guns and the like. Use the 50% emergency discount.

-Sierra Visions Inc.

Secret IC. Encrypted Message to Fleet
###2nd Air Fleet 1st Armored Unit Deployed set course to Torontia##

IC:
The Lone Alliance is deploying military units to the Torontia area for an observational role.

OOC:Whats the size of the unit your deploying? Torontia... whats the total rebels causualties?
IC: The infantry division and its attached anti-air brigade moved out into the country, they were going to go to a different city to root out rebels in other parts of the country.

The 4th division of the 9th corps(another infantry one), this time with an attached artillery brigade began to put its soldiers on the ground in Seattle International Airport. This divisions, after it formed up, job was to patrol the beaches to keep potential commandos OUT of the country.

False.[LIST=1] Demonstrations, not riots. The demonstrators were unarmed and peaceful.
President Kaufman ordered everyone on campus killed, whether they were participating in the demonstrations or not. Thus, some of the students who were murdered were studying in their dorm rooms or at the library, eating in cafeterias, etc.

OOC:When I read his post I got the impression that ALL the students were protesting. Also, I highly doubt it was 'peaeful' considering that anarchists were behind it.

Lieutenant Deneaux's team climbed aboard the SSN Dragonet and stowed their gear.

"Is that it?" asked Captain Breson, somewhat surprised at the fact that only six commandos had returned from the sortie.

"Yes, sir," replied the Lieutenant. "I believe that the Major has been ordered to go to ground."

God help him, thought the Captain.

"Helm, assume course 260 at 5 knots until we're clear of the area. Then proceed at 20 knots back to station."

"Aye-aye, sir," said the helmsman, as he set to work.

OOC:When I read his post I got the impression that ALL the students were protesting. Also, I highly doubt it was 'peaeful' considering that anarchists were behind it.OOC: ALL of the students? How likely is that?

Listen, you can drop me in any college town in America on Football Saturday regardless of who's playing - it could be Oklahoma and Nebraska or USC and Notre Dame, for all I care, and I guarantee you that I can find students at the library - especially foreign students.

If you can't get the whole student body out for a football game, what makes you think they'll all turn out for a demonstration?!?PAUL KAUFMAN "Even though the students are not armed, Im going to order the Republican Guard to deal with this."

JAMES BAKER "How far are the Republican Guard permitted to go in dealing with this?"

PAUL KAUFMAN "To the very end. They have orders to shoot ALL students still inside the university compund. No one inside the unviersity will be spared."

JAMES BAKER "Very well."

Back at the university, Republican Guard units were now taking up positions.

The Republican Guard force assigned for the operation at the university was 1,200 strong and 30 APCs were also there. 10 AH-64 'Apache' attack helicopters were also there, to carry out the first strike.

The AH-64 helicopters flew towards the unviersity and fired their air to surface missiles and their rockets at the south and east side of the university. One helicopter also fired it's missiles right into a huge crowd of students who were having a sit in on the university lawn.

After that, the troops moved in and for 3 hours, made their way through the univeristy, killing every student, teacher and other member of staff that they could see.

TOTAL DEATH TOLL:

4,567 students.

347 teachers.

178 staff members.

Being unarmed, the students had nothing to fight back with and the Republican Guard suffered no deaths.And as for the faculty and staff, did the administration send them home or give them the day off? In a classist, fascist state like Torontia, if your boss doesn't give you permission to go home, you don't go home. After all, didn't Torontia say something like, "We don't pay our people, they eat garbage from garbage dumps until they get sick and die?" If you have a job in a place like that, you are not going to abandon it without permission.

Besides, we don't believe anything Paul Kaufman says. He's a sick psychopathic animal.

As Major Lamont's convoy headed south from Seattle, they began to take steps to reduce their profile. Several times along the trip to Spokane, they stopped to replace their vehicle tags with those "found" on other vehicles. Bars were good places to do this, as the patrons generally had other things on their minds (or not) upon departure following a night's refreshment.

A couple of truck stops and tourist traps along the way were open all night, and some of the men went in to these establishments to purchase jeans, tees, jackets, caps, and other articles of clothing, in quantities small enough not to provoke suspicion, for the purpose of replacing some of their military issue garb. Cash was withdrawn from ATM machines (legitimately, using charge cards that had been furnished for the purpose), and afterwards the cards were cut up and burnt to prevent their discovery. The authorities would certainly detect these first few transactions, as well as the license plate "exchanges", and conclude that foreign agents were proceeding toward Spokane, but not for a day or two.

By which time the convoy would have long since changed course and, dressed in civilian garb and paying for everything with cash, be heading back north and east toward the former Canadian province of British Columbia.

It was morning, then, when the two trucks and the van, now running half a mile apart but listening for brief messages by short-range tactical radio, rolled up Highway 21 and found their way to the Timber Falls Motel (http://www.cenedra.com/twinpeaks/timberfalls.jpg) outside the small town of Twin Peaks, Washington (http://www.cenedra.com/twinpeaks/medtpview.jpg).

OOC: The Devil made me do it. Honest. ;)

OOC: Could someone give me a summary of the events? Who is the most right wing faction in Torontia?

Who is the most right wing faction in Torontia?That would be Torontia.

Official Statement from the Shah of Parthia

I hereby declare, all nations attempting a hostile attack of any sort on Torontia will be met with overwhelming force by the Parthian military. As of now, I am mobilizing military forces in Bushehr for immediate deployment and have authorized, if the Torontian government permits, to fly in 2,500 Rapid Deployment forces for use in quelling the riots.

I repeat, please cease hostile activity against Torontia.

-Shah Khosru III

Official Statement from the Shah of Parthia

I hereby declare, all nations attempting a hostile attack of any sort on Torontia will be met with overwhelming force by the Parthian military. As of now, I am mobilizing military forces in Bushehr for immediate deployment and have authorized, if the Torontian government permits, to fly in 2,500 Rapid Deployment forces for use in quelling the riots.

I repeat, please cease hostile activity against Torontia.

-Shah Khosru IIISECRET AND CONFIDENTIAL

To: The Plutocratic Shahdom of The Parthians
From: The United States of Allemande

You should be aware of the fact that the President of the Republic of Torontia is suffering from several acute psychoses that have left him unable to distinguish fact from fantasy. Therefore, rather than take his word for anything, you should take care to make an independent determination of the validity of any information he may give you.

For example, he believes our nation to be "communist"; you, we are sure, correctly understand us to be a proudly bourgeois liberal democracy, which - while admittedly detestable by your Majesty's standards - could hardly be termed "communist" in anybody's eyes.

Thus, you should not take President Kaufman's claims that we are currently engaged in military action against Torontia at face value. Our military forces never met Torontia's on the field of battle, and have since withdrawn from the area, although admittedly a handful of our special forces personnel engaged in on-site intelligence gathering are currently missing and may not yet have found a way out of Torontia.

As for the rebels, we have no interest in seeing them succeed once we observed their willingness to indiscriminately slaughter persons they deemed their "class enemies". Consequently, we have absolutely no desire to see either side win the current battle.

Most Graciously Yours,
Secretary of State Edith Mayenne

Vancouver, Torontia

As Seattle was burning in flames and the rebels were fighting street to street with the Republican Guard and the forces of Red Tide 2, The rebels, the ACRG, were planning for their next move.

The ACRG had about 3,300 members in the city of Vancouver and they were now preparing for an all out assault in the city.

Most of the army and the Republican Guard had been sent from other parts of Torontia to Seattle, to deal with the rebel uprising.

President Kaufman had only made plans to have a strong military force in place on the Vancouver caost and in the port as he was expecting an invasion from the sea by some hostile nation.

Given this, the ACRG forces then began their attack.

Within a day, 70% of Vancouver was under thier control and only the port and the seafront and a small portion of the business district was under government control.

DEATH TOLL FROM THE BATTLE OF VANCOUVER:

1,298 Republican Guard

356 Military personnel

589 ACRG rebels

897 civilians

From: The Republic of Torontia

To: Parthia

The Republic of Torontia welcomes the statement made by Shah Khosru III.

Torontia gives you permission to fly in as many forces as you deem fit.

Torontia also hopes that this great battle against communism will bring our two great nations together in a mighty alliance.

Ignore the slander made by my enemies, Allemande in particular.

They are part of a global communist plot to destroy all the nations in the world via bloodshed and genocide.

Thie evil must be stopped.

President Paul Kaufman

From: The Republic of Torontia

To: Parthia

The Republic of Torontia welcomes the statement made by Shah Khosru III.

Torontia gives you permission to fly in as many forces as you deem fit.

Torontia also hopes that this great battle against communism will bring our two great nations together in a mighty alliance.

Ignore the slander made by my enemies, Allemande in particular.

They are part of a global communist plot to destroy all the nations in the world via bloodshed and genocide.

Thie evil must be stopped.

President Paul Kaufman

Parthia, the Commandante, as well as many other nationa, are suspectful of the Presidents sanity. He intends to declare war with Peopleita, despite near impossible odds of success. Be wary of Torontia.

From: The Republic of Torontia

To: Peopleita

Retract your vile statement, communist beast!

You talk of my sanity, thats rich!

I suppose marxism is the ideology of the sane then!

At least Im sane enough to know how to run an economy rather than push my nation into bankruptcy like you communist dogs do!

I now have Parthia, McKagan and Red Tide 2 with me.

Three very powerful nations with nuclear weapons. What have you got, your 'Brothers in Arms' treaty, and the other nations in your pathetic treaty have said they will not help you, back down or be wiped out with nuclear weapons!

President Paul Kaufman

From: The Republic of Torontia

To: Peopleita

Retract your vile statement, communist beast!

You talk of my sanity, thats rich!

I suppose marxism is the ideology of the sane then!

At least Im sane enough to know how to run an economy rather than push my nation into bankruptcy like you communist dogs do!

I now have Parthia, McKagan and Red Tide 2 with me.

Three very powerful nations with nuclear weapons. What have you got, your 'Brothers in Arms' treaty, and the other nations in your pathetic treaty have said they will not help you, back down or be wiped out with nuclear weapons!

President Paul Kaufman

None of those countries have expressed support for you. In fact Red Tide2 have even said they will not get involoved. Peopleita have at least 10 countries on our side. You will be destroyed if you attempt any military action against us. You should be thanking us, we stopped another nation from enerting a war with you. We have stopped mulitipple nations invading you in fact.

The nation of Al Ahmera Refuses to back Torontia and stands in favor of the rebels...

From: The Republic of Torontia

To: Peopleita

What will it take! What will it take for you to see the BENEFITS of capitalism and for you to do the right thing and give the people of Peopleita what THEY WANT!

They want the system we have in Torontia, the noble ideology of the New Order.

Every person in the world yearns for what Torontia has!

I hope one day you see through the folly of communism and join me in spreading the New Order throughout the world.

To: Al Ahmera

The Republic of Torontia, after seeing your nations support for the rebels, has decided to impose the following on your nation:

*An economic embargo.

*Freezing of all of your financial assests in our nation.

*Expulsion of all of your citizens in Torontia to the United States of America.

May you rot in hell, communist beast!

President Paul Kaufman

From: The Republic of Torontia

To: Peopleita

What will it take! What will it take for you to see the BENEFITS of capitalism and for you to do the right thing and give the people of Peopleita what THEY WANT!

They want the system we have in Torontia, the noble ideology of the New Order.

Every person in the world yearns for what Torontia has!

I hope one day you see through the folly of communism and join me in spreading the New Order throughout the world.

To: Al Ahmera

The Republic of Torontia, after seeing your nations support for the rebels, has decided to impose the following on your nation:

*An economic embargo.

*Freezing of all of your financial assests in our nation.

*Expulsion of all of your citizens in Torontia to the United States of America.

May you rot in hell, communist beast!

President Paul Kaufman

The people of Peopleita support the government 100%. We had Capaitlism with the old facsist government. The people all supported the reveloution. The people recodnise Torontia as oppressed and their president as insane.

Presidential Palace, Seattle

JAMES BAKER "Mr. President, Vancouver has fallen to the rebel terrorists, save the port, which is under our control."

PAUL KAUFMAN "Those communist fucks! Our forces our to spread out and are engaged in other areas of the nation to deal with Vancouver."

JAMES BAKER "Yes, we just don't have enough manpower to retake Vancouver, but we......"

PAUL KUAFMAN "Wait! I want to propose something that I have been thinking about for sometime now. A strike that would wipe out the rebels in one swoop and will allow for our forces to retake the rebel areas unopposed."

PAUL KAUFMAN "I am of course talking about our missiles with VX nerve agent warheads. Launch them at the city of Vancouver and the slums in Seattle and we will have wiped out the two main rebel areas."

JAMES BAKER "Whilst military sound, that plan has risks attached, the international community could go against us and attack us with their trumped up charges of 'genocides' and 'abuse of human rights'."

PAUL KAUFMAN "Im not interested in the international community, only Torontia. Those true friends will stand by me regardless and the traitors will flock to the communist side, but at least we see who are true friends are!"

PAUL KAUFMAN "Now go and tell the Republican Guard and the army to suit up in their NBC suits and prepare for attack on Vancouver and the slums of Seattle. I want our forces in the areas within the hour after the attack."

Torontia

After they got their orders, the Republican Guard in Vancouver had put on their NBC suits and were on stand by for the chemical weapons strike.

The same procedures were in place in Seattle.

Then 230 missiles with VX nerve agent were fired at Vancouver and another 100 at the slums in Seattle.

They all hit their specified targets and wiped out the majority of the rebel forces, with a lot of civilians in between.

Within two days, the Republican Guard and the Torontian army, backed by air power were in control of both Seattle and Vancouver.

Only small isolated pockets of rebels in the countryside and the mountains were now left and the whereabouts of rebel leader, Jack Norton, where unknown.

DEATH TOLL FOR SEATTLE:

5,698 rebel forces

1,357 government forces

44,587 civilians

DEATH TOLL FOR VANCOUVER:

3,350 rebel forces

2,456 government forces

156,734 civilians

The Commandante commdems these actions, killing innocent civillians. If anything this answers the questions raised about President Kaufman's sanity.

TOP SECRET MESSAGE

Communique No. 2 Anti-Capitalist Resistance Group (ACRG)

The ACRG is sad to announce the destruction of the popular uprising and the revolution at the hands of the fascist Kaufman regime.

The genocidal and evil attack by chemical weapons on Vancouver and Seattle have destroyed us and the Torontian people.

We have to pull out to fight another day.

Jack Norton and a few other revolutionaries wish to find a nation that can give us asylum and protect us from Kaufman's agents.

If the leaders of the failed reveloution choose to come Peopleita, they will find no persecution.

TOP SECRET MESSAGE

Communique No. 3 Anti-Capitalist Resistance Group (ACRG)

We accept your offer and thank you for your help.

We are on our way now.

OOC: Regrettably, I don't have time to make an extensive post, so I'll just say what I have to say, and justify it later.

Any attempt by Torontia to use chemical or biological weapons on anyone is a godmod and must be ignored unless Torontia RP's the acquisition of such weapons from a foreign source.

That is because Torontia can not have either chemical or biological weapons at this point in time.

Justification for my position will be posted after I take care of some RL business this afternoon.

Torontia

After they got their orders, the Republican Guard in Vancouver had put on their NBC suits and were on stand by for the chemical weapons strike.

The same procedures were in place in Seattle.

Then 230 missiles with VX nerve agent were fired at Vancouver and another 100 at the slums in Seattle.

They all hit their specified targets and wiped out the majority of the rebel forces, with a lot of civilians in between.

Within two days, the Republican Guard and the Torontian army, backed by air power were in control of both Seattle and Vancouver.

Only small isolated pockets of rebels in the countryside and the mountains were now left and the whereabouts of rebel leader, Jack Norton, where unknown.

DEATH TOLL FOR SEATTLE:

5,698 rebel forces

1,357 government forces

44,587 civilians

DEATH TOLL FOR VANCOUVER:

3,350 rebel forces

2,456 government forces

156,734 civiliansOOC: Ignored - and the casualty estimates for VX attack are waaaaay too high. As far as I'm concerned, the rebellion is still going and you will have to find another way to quell it.

(OOC) Allemande

I know of the NS rule that a nation has to have 100 million people before it can have NUCLEAR weapons.

I am going to respect that.

But small nations like Sudan and Ethiopia have rumoured to have chemical weapons, and look at their size and power compared to other nations.

NS rules have no barrier on a nation haveing chemical weapons.

Torontia has a good economy and can afford to have these weapons, chemical weapons are the cheapest of the WMDs and Torontia ONLY has chemical weapons, nothing nuclear.

OOC:Negative... Torontia, with its economy and such, have Chemical Weapons well within reach. Do you know how Nerve Gas was first discovered? Via an Inseticide Incident, if he has a reasonable insecticide industry then he is well ready to mass produce Nerve Gas. I believe he already stated that he had Chemical Weapons in the threads first post. Bio weapons also.

(OOC) Allemande

I know of the NS rule that a nation has to have 100 million people before it can have NUCLEAR weapons.

I am going to respect that.

But small nations like Sudan and Ethiopia have rumoured to have chemical weapons, and look at their size and power compared to other nations.

NS rules have no barrier on a nation haveing chemical weapons.

Torontia has a good economy and can afford to have these weapons, chemical weapons are the cheapest of the WMDs and Torontia ONLY has chemical weapons, nothing nuclear.OOC: In a nutshell (and I really don't have time for this right now)...

You were a U.N. Member when the rebellion began. U.N. Members may not have chemical or biological weapons. Evasion of U.N. Resolutions is impossible in NationStates. You left the U.N., to be sure, but have not had enough RP time since leaving the U.N. to acquire the weapons in question (48-72 hours, RP time).

RP acquisition of these weapons from a foreign source, and then cut the civilian loss figures by 90%, and you'll be fine.

OOC:Why does he have to cut civilian losses? Last I checked, his civilians have NO protection from Chemical Weapons.

The Imperium of Serapindal notes that your usage of Weapons of Mass Destructions, leaves you vulnerable to the nuclear weapon threat of several nuclear-giddy nations, especially with a nation where almost every power is plant is either nuclear, with a few wind and solar plants scattered around, but they're mostly decoratory. We can turn Torontia into a smoking crater...or at least the capital.

Sufi Aviation is a law abiding firm incorporated within the Confederated States of Aysheaia, a member of the United Nations. As such, we have no choice but to condemn your use of chemical weapons and hereby withdraw our offer of military aid.

Encryption Class A

To: Shah Khosru III
From: Secretary of State Edith Mayenne

Indeed, having reviewed the situation and his attempt to go to war with Peopletia for no apparent reason other than his sheer insanity, I do not deem his government to be rational or beneficial for the Shahdom to support. I am seeing that the eventual problem might be that the support for government of his nation might embroil Parthia into a larger conflict.

While I would support Capitalism wholeheartedly, I do not plan on supporting regimes that are incapable of rational thought or occasional moderation. Though, I do not want to see the rebels win, the current government is detestable.

I have witheld further deployments. No Parthian will become embroiled in this conflict.

With Courtesy,
King of Kings, Beloved of Ahura Mazda, Celestial Seed of the Divine: Shah Khosru III

Secret IC to McKagan:

We understand your deployment to Torontia in support of Red Tide and Torontia. We will have to understand your reasoning behind this. Torontia makes a mockery of capitalism and ruins its people.

-Minister of Foreign Affairs

Secret IC to McKagan:

We assistance moving materials into Torontia. Allemande is watching us, can you order things on behalf of them, and ship it to them, like AA guns and the like. Use the 50% emergency discount.

-Sierra Visions Inc.

Encrypted Response

Capitalism is as capitalism does. Changes can happen. We're there right now, that's all that matters.

We are moving AA guns to Torontia as we talk. We ran into a stockpile a while back. Don't ask question.

--RMV Cobalt

RMV Contraband, Weiland Class Attack Submarine off Torontian Coast

"Sir, the device is read."

The Operations Officer had just walked onto the computerized bridge after returning from one of the missle chambers.

"Ok, fire away."

With those words, and after the weapons operator on the bridge confirmed the launch, the air search radars showed a missile headed towards the lower atmophere, then it popped open and a parachute opened on the nose of it. Giving the people on the submarine up to an estimated 2 hours of encrypted conversation with the government and military forces in Torontia.

Encryped Message to Torontia

We understand that you have little or no WMD capabilities. As such, we have a stockpile of nerve gas and a zombie virus that will remain undesignated aboard this vessel. For a reasonable price our SIERRA FORCE operatives can use our minisub to ship these weapons to you. As such, RMV Cobalt, if given a secret, secured, and confidential port is prepared to offload up to 30 nuclear warheads. Please respond ASAP.

OOC:Why does he have to cut civilian losses? Last I checked, his civilians have NO protection from Chemical Weapons.Because chemical weapons are simply not that devastating. Outside the immediate area of contamination, toxicity drops off dramatically, and even within the toxic area the effects are less than you might think.

I would expect an attack of that scale to set the inhabitants into a panic and the rebels into a state of confusion, and that would be the decisive factor in ending the rebellion. The Republican Guard attacks in the wake of the chemical barrage would probably catch the rebels hopelesssly off balance, and they would never recover. They'd fight ferociously, and the military casualties on both sides do reflect that. But the civilian populade would flee in terror, and most of them would then survive.

Or, to put it differently, his civilians do have protection from chemical weapons, two per person. They're called "legs".

OOC: I do agree about chemical weapons, to a degree. You aren't going to kill many people who are in their houses, anyway.

OOC: I do agree about chemical weapons, to a degree. You aren't going to kill many people who are in their houses, anyway.


OOC: That depends, I'm sort of a fanatical user of Chemical weapons. My preference personally goes to VX, partially because when used in a mass artillery barrage, it can spread over a vast area, and not too much is required for a fatal dosage. Even if they are in their houses, the house still has pinpoint areas which gas can flow through, and with VX, even that small amount will cause death. For causing megadeath, thats probably the best way, but for simple terror attacks after you already destroyed much of the city and want to just take care of who is left, blister agents work well.

OOC: That depends, I'm sort of a fanatical user of Chemical weapons. My preference personally goes to VX, partially because when used in a mass artillery barrage, it can spread over a vast area, and not too much is required for a fatal dosage. Even if they are in their houses, the house still has pinpoint areas which gas can flow through, and with VX, even that small amount will cause death. For causing megadeath, thats probably the best way, but for simple terror attacks after you already destroyed much of the city and want to just take care of who is left, blister agents work well.

OOC: I've yet to use chemicals because thus far i've been up against people who could do alot more damage to me than I could do to them.

Personally if I ever had to turn to a chemical or bio attack i'd use the semi-orbital system i've got in place. VX probably would be my lead chemical, while i'd use some sort of nasty zombie virus for a bio weapon. Just because a small infection basically neutralizes a complete nation after a few hours. So what if that nation snaps off a few nukes? After a few hours their nuclear sites will have been overran by zombies. :p

Psychotronic weapons, that's the Allemander way. The inhabitants suddenly turn against their government, loot their own city, pull down an few statutes, and then just sit back and gape as the invading armies roll in. Just like happened in Baghdad back in 2003.

Oops, did I say that? Fnord.

BTW, that Nemesis-Medusa satellite is still orbiting the Earth, passing over Torontia twice a day... ;)

Psychotronic weapons, that's the Allemander way. The inhabitants suddenly turn against their government, loot their own city, pull down an few statutes, and then just sit back and gape as the invading armies roll in. Just like happened in Baghdad back in 2003.

Oops, did I say that? Fnord.

BTW, that Nemesis-Medusa satellite is still orbiting the Earth, passing over Torontia twice a day... ;)

OOC: QUIET YOU! OR ITS BACK TO THE CAGE IN LANGLEY! Anywho, fun times, fun times. I love suppling weapons to both sides and raking in the profits.

Secret IC to McKagan:

We know you have Solanum, any and all deployment of such will be answered by a cleansing action from us.

-Minister of Eating Seeds as a Pasttime Activity

OOC: Leaf, wtf? Sorry, just a bit confused as to what you're talking about.

The Lone Alliance is deploying the 5th Armored attack group and the 3 Heavy Infantry group to the Area around Torontia. Also our Alpha fleet has been recalled and we will be switching them with the Alternate crew to dispatch them to international waters near Torontia.