NationStates Jolt Archive

instead of selling my major self-produced military equipment in seperate threads, we have decided to put it in 1 large thread. Currently, this is our list of equipment for sale. I'm sorry i don't have pictures of them yet

Submarine Aircraft Carrier
Ever wanted a stealthy aircraft carrier, that isn't always visible to the naked eye? Here's the answer. With the ability to carry 20 VTOL aircraft, the submarine aircraft carrier only has to surface to launch its planes! Here are the specs:

Displacement: 20,000 tons surfaced
23,000 tons submerged
Length: 590 ft
Beam: 50 ft
Draft: 40 ft
Powerplant: Um....1 huge nuclear reactor
Speed: 20+ knots
Complement: 200 men, 20 pilots
Armament: 8x 30 inch (762 mm) torpedo tubes, 40 torpedoes
Aircraft: 20 VTOL aircraft, to be launched on the front part of the ship, or 12 helicopters, to be launched from the conning tower

Price: 100,000,000 USD
Only 1 can be purchased by any nation

The aircraft/submarine carrier
This aircraft carrier has more practicality than any other carrier. Reason: It can launch aircraft and submarines. The submarines are launched out of the bow, which can carry 6 submarines, and that the same time a VTOL/SVTOL aircraft can take off overhead.

Displacement: 150,000 tons full load
Length: 400 meters
Propulsion and power: 5x Westinghouse A4W nuclear reactors
and some more stuff
Speed: 35 knots
Range: Unlimited
Complement: Ship's company: 3,400, Air Wing 366, 840 submarine company
Total: 3,606
Armament: 4x Surface-To-Air missile launchers
3x Anti-Ship missiles
5x Anti-Submarine Missiles
Aircraft: 20 VTOL/SVTOL aircraft, or 25 helicopters
Only one can be purchased by any nation
Price: 10,000,000,000 USD

GS-300 Attack Helicopter
This helicopter serves in every single branch of the Nadderud military plus the police force. It has proven its worth in the (nOObish, i admit) war against Algeristan.

Dimensions
Length: 18,0 m (around 58.5 feet) with rotors
Wingspan: 5,0 m (16.4 ft)
Height: 3.60 m (12.6 ft)
Wing Area: 5.227 m (17.15 feet)

Weights:
Empty 4.933 kg
Loaded 7.744 kg
Max take-off 10,000 kg

Performance
Maximum speed: 400 km/h
Combat Range: 500 km
Ferry Range: 1.900 km
Service Ceiling: 6.500 m
Rate of climb: 800 m/min

Armament:
2 automatic cannons with 2000 rounds each
Hellfire/Hellfire II etc
Hydra 70 Rockets
2 crew members, one pilot, one co-pilot/gunner
Price: 700,000 USD

NAMAS Assault Rifle
This assault rifle is powerful, concealable, and accurate. New technology permits it to be extremely short. It fires the NATO 5.56 mm round at a high rate.

Sights: Laser sight, telescopic sight
Firing Modes: Single shot, 2 or 3 round bursts and automatic
Weight:
Standard: 3.6 kilos
Commando: 3.0 kilos
Carbine: 3.2 kilos
Sniper: 4.0 kilos

Length:
Standard: 300 mm
Commando: 200 mm
Carbine: 250 mm
Sniper: 999 mm

Magazine
Standard, Carbine: 50 rounds
Commando: 30 rounds
Sniper: 10 rounds

Range: 5000 m
Price: 1000 USD pr. rifle

DN/27 Carrier-Based Fighter Bomber
Ever wanted a carrier based aircraft that can deliver air superiority, nuclear bombs and air-to-ground missiles at the same time? Here you get this sucker. The DN/27 is loaded with the equipment nessecary

Dimensions
Length: 55 ft 2 in
Wingspan: 40 ft
Height: 14 ft 8 in

Weights
Empty: 12,000 ib
Maximum Takeoff: 30,000 ib

Performance
Maximum speed: Mach 1.9
Service Ceiling: 60,000 ft

Armament: 3x Gatling Guns
Missiles
Air to air: AIM-9 Sidewinder
Air to ground: AGH-6-4
Anti-Ship: AGG 49/
Bombs: Conventional, nukes
Torpedoes: Mk.48 7 inch
Price: 5,000,000 USD each

That was all for now

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OOC:Damn, a submarine carrier? That thing must be hellishly easy to find via Sonar.

I'll take it. The funds have been transferred to your accounts.

Borograd is a land locked nation and will request to keep the carrier in your waters until a time of conflict arises.

The Imperium of Serapindal wishes to buy seven and a half million of your new rifles, for seven hundred and fifty USD.

um....750 USD....the price pr.rifle is 1000 USD

Borograd, your order has been confirmed. The carrier can be named whatever you want and will stay drydocked until you need it. You provide your own crew

Serapindal, order confirmed

OOC: Not bad, though there are some problems here and there that should be ironed out. Mostly common mistakes, but the less of them you have, the better your store will be, and thus the more attractive:


Submarine Aircraft Carrier

1) The only way you could fit 20 aircraft onto a conventional 20,000 ton carrier is to park several on the flight deck. Now, that would kind of negate the value of it being a submarine, since it can't submerge with aircraft parked on top. A submarine carrier with 20 aircraft should be more along the lines of 80-100,000 tons submerged. If it carries both the 20 aircraft and the 12 helicopters, 120-150,000 tons submerged might be a better bet. This thing is just way too small to get the job done.

2) The difference between the surfaced and submerged displacements is way too small on the carrier. With that much difference it wouldn't be able to rise out enough for safe loading of the vessel. I'd suggest looking at the relative difference between surfaced and submerged displacements on RL submarines to get a better model.

3) The torpedo tubes are too big, and the armament too heavy. This isn't a 20,000 ton attack sub, and thus shouldn't have torpedoes that big or that numerous. It should have no more than the standard 21" tubes, with maybe 18 weapons. Any more is taking up vital internal space needed for aircraft and related supplies.

4) Helicopters shouldn't be launched from the conning tower. It would have to be a phenominally huge one to be able to fit them, and would both preclude hydrodynamics and interfere with and limit space for the essential combat systems that are what's supposed to go in the conning tower.

5) Aren't you a bit small and weak (economically) to be able to design, let alone produce something like this? I'd wait a bit before selling something so big.

6) $100 million is actually rather cheap for, well, any combat submarine. I would guess that this should be $3-5 billion.



aircraft/submarine carrier

1) That's a bit small for carrying the aircraft and 6 submarines. Well, unless the subs are really small SSKs like the U209 or U212 series. Certainly won't fit modern SSNs though. To fit SSNs, I'd think something along the lines of 300,000 ton displacement might be needed.

2) Be more specific with the weapons. Generic "missile launchers" provides almost nothing. The number and type of missile, as well as the launching method, are very important pieces of information. It can always be modified to accept different, but similar, missiles as needed, but there should be a point of reference.

3) Same as above. I seriously doubt you could have the facilities to produce something like this. I'd suggest waiting a few weeks before selling or claiming to have one of your own.



GS-300 Attack Helicopter

1) How does it go that fast? Helicoptes have several limitations, and speed is one of the major ones. 310 km/h is pretty good for a combat helicopter, so I'd like to know how this manages 400.

2) Again, need more specifics. The size and type of cannon (please note that either way, two cannons with 4000 total rounds is easily at least twice what you'd realistically have, regardless of caliber), and how many rockets and/or missiles?

3) If this is a decent modern helicopter, it should be at least 20-30 times as expensive. $700k only covers a small, cheap civilian aircraft. Even a little MH-6 Defender should cost several times that.



NAMAS Assault Rifle

1) I don't care what's said, it is physically impossible to control the 5.56x45mm round at ranges of 5000m. In fact, considering that the maximum range of the round is about 3600m, I'd be curious to know how it even got that far. Either way, the 5.56mm round isn't effective beyond 300-550m (depending on design) when fired from a rifle.

2) The rifle is way to short to be a rifle. For a proper rifle, you should have at least 300-400mm for the barrel alone, preferrably a 500mm if you want to be effective beyond 300 or so meters, and even the smallest rifles have a total length exceeding 700mm (FAMAS, XM8, and CAR-15 included).

3) $750-1000 is a good price for the standard and shortened versions, but a proper sniper rifle requires a much heavier barrel and more precise machining. Thus, it should be at least 2-3 times as expensive as the base rifle. Of course, the 5.56mm round is also rather under powered for the sniping role, and is very rarely used, so to make a decent weapon, you'd probably need to have the sniper version use the 7.62mm round.



DN/27 Carrier-Based Fighter Bomber

1) Again, too many guns. Drop it to one or two, and please state the caliber. There's a big difference between a 5.56mm minigun and a 30mm rotary cannon, so knowing where this falls is important

2) Again, state how many weapons it can carry, either in numbers and types of missiles/bombs, or with the number of hard points and total payload. In fact, total payload should be mentioned either way.

3) Again, a bit too cheap. Based on the listed capabilities, it should be at least $20 million.

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OOC: Not bad, though there are some problems here and there that should be ironed out. Mostly common mistakes, but the less of them you have, the better your store will be, and thus the more attractive:


Submarine Aircraft Carrier

1) The only way you could fit 20 aircraft onto a conventional 20,000 ton carrier is to park several on the flight deck. Now, that would kind of negate the value of it being a submarine, since it can't submerge with aircraft parked on top. A submarine carrier with 20 aircraft should be more along the lines of 80-100,000 tons submerged. If it carries both the 20 aircraft and the 12 helicopters, 120-150,000 tons submerged might be a better bet. This thing is just way too small to get the job done.

2) The difference between the surfaced and submerged displacements is way too small on the carrier. With that much difference it wouldn't be able to rise out enough for safe loading of the vessel. I'd suggest looking at the relative difference between surfaced and submerged displacements on RL submarines to get a better model.

3) The torpedo tubes are too big, and the armament too heavy. This isn't a 20,000 ton attack sub, and thus shouldn't have torpedoes that big or that numerous. It should have no more than the standard 21" tubes, with maybe 18 weapons. Any more is taking up vital internal space needed for aircraft and related supplies.

4) Helicopters shouldn't be launched from the conning tower. It would have to be a phenominally huge one to be able to fit them, and would both preclude hydrodynamics and interfere with and limit space for the essential combat systems that are what's supposed to go in the conning tower.

5) Aren't you a bit small and weak (economically) to be able to design, let alone produce something like this? I'd wait a bit before selling something so big.

6) $100 million is actually rather cheap for, well, any combat submarine. I would guess that this should be $3-5 billion.



aircraft/submarine carrier

1) That's a bit small for carrying the aircraft and 6 submarines. Well, unless the subs are really small SSKs like the U209 or U212 series. Certainly won't fit modern SSNs though. To fit SSNs, I'd think something along the lines of 300,000 ton displacement might be needed.

2) Be more specific with the weapons. Generic "missile launchers" provides almost nothing. The number and type of missile, as well as the launching method, are very important pieces of information. It can always be modified to accept different, but similar, missiles as needed, but there should be a point of reference.

3) Same as above. I seriously doubt you could have the facilities to produce something like this. I'd suggest waiting a few weeks before selling or claiming to have one of your own.



GS-300 Attack Helicopter

1) How does it go that fast? Helicoptes have several limitations, and speed is one of the major ones. 310 km/h is pretty good for a combat helicopter, so I'd like to know how this manages 400.

2) Again, need more specifics. The size and type of cannon (please note that either way, two cannons with 4000 total rounds is easily at least twice what you'd realistically have, regardless of caliber), and how many rockets and/or missiles?

3) If this is a decent modern helicopter, it should be at least 20-30 times as expensive. $700k only covers a small, cheap civilian aircraft. Even a little MH-6 Defender should cost several times that.



NAMAS Assault Rifle

1) I don't care what's said, it is physically impossible to control the 5.56x45mm round at ranges of 5000m. In fact, considering that the maximum range of the round is about 3600m, I'd be curious to know how it even got that far. Either way, the 5.56mm round isn't effective beyond 300-550m (depending on design) when fired from a rifle.

2) The rifle is way to short to be a rifle. For a proper rifle, you should have at least 300-400mm for the barrel alone, preferrably a 500mm if you want to be effective beyond 300 or so meters, and even the smallest rifles have a total length exceeding 700mm (FAMAS, XM8, and CAR-15 included).

3) $750-1000 is a good price for the standard and shortened versions, but a proper sniper rifle requires a much heavier barrel and more precise machining. Thus, it should be at least 2-3 times as expensive as the base rifle. Of course, the 5.56mm round is also rather under powered for the sniping role, and is very rarely used, so to make a decent weapon, you'd probably need to have the sniper version use the 7.62mm round.



DN/27 Carrier-Based Fighter Bomber

1) Again, too many guns. Drop it to one or two, and please state the caliber. There's a big difference between a 5.56mm minigun and a 30mm rotary cannon, so knowing where this falls is important

2) Again, state how many weapons it can carry, either in numbers and types of missiles/bombs, or with the number of hard points and total payload. In fact, total payload should be mentioned either way.

3) Again, a bit too cheap. Based on the listed capabilities, it should be at least $20 million.
ooc: Oh my! Someone with the time to actually go over everything wrong with their technology! Bravo! I would have just said something about the carrier and not even bother postng about the rest.

Nadderud I suggest you follow Mr.Clan's criticism since he is oh so much very correct and I agree with his points.