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Algeristan has threatened many nations. It has threatened me, because I am Marxist and I refused to back down Omanistan. I propse we sign a treaty, not to join up and fight it, but if any of the people signed in this treaty are attacked, then all others who have signed this treaty shall assist.

Aust shall join. We have just been atatcked by a allie of this rouge nation for instiganating a blockade and we have been forced to destroy 5 enermy bombers.

The Government of North Mattvia, will sign the Brother In Arms Treaty, and encourages all other nations to do so.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=434240

The Allied States of Bradyistan gladly signs this treaty

"Their president has large nuclear weapons stocks and appears to be another crazy towlhead. We think our land is safe from his nuclear weapons, but we do not wish to risk it and will sign this treaty."
-Nillie Welson, Defense Minister

I will sign this treaty but I must say my nation is rather small so therefore my armed forces aren't that big and I have a fragile economy

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ViZion would consider signing this. However, we have not gotten along with Aust in the past, and we feel this would not be good for such a treaty to have two nations who do not have any good history between them signing this - meaning the potential to break apart such a treaty.

Thus, ViZion cannot sign.

We ask Vizon to reconsider there stance on this issue and put aside past diffrences to cre4ate a glorious, and safe, future.

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We ask Vizon to reconsider there stance on this issue and put aside past diffrences to cre4ate a glorious, and safe, future.

We agree with Aust, we were on the brink of war with Talios, yet we put aside our differences, and joined together to fight the threat of Omanistan.

I am joining the treaty. Since the creation of Nadderud we have had bad relations with Algeristan, and i will provide all support possible to the other members of the treaty

The Holy Empire will consider this.

The Sharina Technocracy has the following questions for this treaty that it believes must be addressed before the treaty can become any viable binding organization or coalition.

1. What is its premise?
2. What are its goals?
3. Is it an aggressive or a defensive treaty?
4. What is its stance upon national sovereignty, namely not interfering with the internal and diplomatic activities of nations.
5. What types of situations would this treaty be declared?

There may be more questions, but those five are the most important.

Good day.
~President Mina Veristek

1. It's premise is simply an alliecne.
2. It has no goals as such, just that all nations promise to give military support if any of the nations signed are attacked.
3. Defensive, there is no obligation to join an invasion, if the nation wasn't attacked first.
4. The only stance it has is, if there is an attack on home soil to any of the nations who have signed, the attacking government will be overthrown (see the Omanistan-Peopleita war)
5. As said before, if war is declared on any nation, they other nations are obligated to provide military support. There is no obligation to help if any of these nations are the attackers. For example, if I was attacked of declared war on, all the signed nations are obligated to help. If I attack or declare war on another nation, there is no obligation to assist, even if I lose the war on home soil.

Official Message:

Ackerenia wishes to join into this treaty.

All members who wish to join will be accepted. Also "in-fighting is prohibited. One signed nation declares war of attacks another signed nation, then all signed members will side with the nation who was attacked.

***Official Proclamation***
The Holy Empire of Shazbotdom
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Made by: Multiple Persons (Signitures Below)

After much debate with my Cabinet, and debates within the Parliament of the Holy Empire of Shazbotdom. We have decided that we will NOT be signing this treaty. We are already obligated to help other nations in case they are attacked and we cannot be there for everyone. We assume no responsibility in any happenings within this alliance.

Signed on this Holy Day, April 28th:
Galen Q. Leotardia
Emperor

Grand Admiral James E. Rockenbach
Minister of Defense

4 Star General Craig L. Theod
Minister of the Marine Corps

Admiral George Yackber
Minister of the Navy

Brigadier General Ken Shuemaker
Minister of the Marine Corps Air Division

Mr. Larry Williams
Minister of Foreign Affairs

Mr. John J. Adams
Speaker of the Parliament
~~~End Transmission~~~

If the nation of Aust is willing to put aside its differences with us and is willing to work on improving relations, we will do the same, and reconsider.

However, there are some concerns we'd like addressed first.
-If a nation who signs fires the first shot of a war, would all nations still be required to assist in their defense?
-If a nation was attacked first, and then goes on the offensive, would all signed nations be required to assist in the invasion?
-If we are currently in a situation where we cannot assist militarilly, or any other way, to another nation in need, would this give this alliance grounds to terminate their membership?
-If we do agree with the nations invading a signed nation of this alliance (e.i., we feel the attack was good due to the nation who signed this alliance supporting terrorism or committing genocide) would we be required to support them in their defense?
-This concern has been brought up do to the fact that Aust and ViZion, in the past, have not been on the greatest of terms: What if we are in a war with a nation aligned one who has signed here, and the two (or more) nations who have signed this treaty go to war?

Before we can agree to this alliance, we ask that these questions be addressed.

Thank you,

President Maybury

1. No, only if they are attacked will we be obliged to help
2. Yes, but not nessiceraly fighting; sending planes to one nation, helping out in some way or form
3. Only if they choose not to fight; if they can't fight then it won't. If they chose not to help then yes.
4. Perhaps, an a appeal can be made. We won't be absaloute, if the war is warranted, then we may not assist. But 95% of the time we will supporting the signed nation
5. That will all depend on which side initated the war. Think of this treaty also as a peace treaty beetween you and Aust.

The Empire of MelekTaus will agree to this treatise..

Signed, Emperor David Suffolk IV, HRIM of MelekTaus.

tensions between me and Red Tide are running high. I've put a blockade on him for intending to execute Communists. I suggest you guys prepare for war.

why always with the war peopleita relax,smoke a bowl if you have none I'd be happy to import some fine thekalian cannabis (if it's legal in your country)

dude, were pacifists, we don't want war, thats why I was telling you guys, I thought they may attack us.

tensions between me and Red Tide are running high. I've put a blockade on him for intending to execute Communists. I suggest you guys prepare for war.

OOC:A blockade that wont be worth sh!t. My nation is a VERY big island. Youll have alot of water to cover, and given your nations size you wont be able to cover it effectively. Besides, I am not going to attack you, youll have to make the first move.

OOC: Dude check your thread. And we have a pretty big navy.

everybody chill I'm sure you can work out some kind of agreement
(and the cannabis offer is still on the table,if legal in your nation)

We are of course willing to put aside diffrences ViZion. And we echo your questions on the nature of the treaty.

1. No, only if they are attacked will we be obliged to help
2. Yes, but not nessiceraly fighting; sending planes to one nation, helping out in some way or form
3. Only if they choose not to fight; if they can't fight then it won't. If they chose not to help then yes.
4. Perhaps, an a appeal can be made. We won't be absaloute, if the war is warranted, then we may not assist. But 95% of the time we will supporting the signed nation
5. That will all depend on which side initated the war. Think of this treaty also as a peace treaty beetween you and Aust.
After seeing this, and seeing that Aust is willing to put aside the differences with us, we are willing to give this a try. However, we reserve the right to leave if this does not work out as we hoped.

We would like to notify the Bothers in Arms alliance of a large-scale war we are currently entering. Our allies in the WWA have begun an invasion into CAD in responce to attacks by hostile forces against ViZionarian aircraft in international airspace as well as a Generic Empire attack upon our ships in our territorial waters, Guffingford has blockaded the Gibraltar Strait and Red Sea - international waters - and have threatened all nations not to send any ships carrying a single weapon (that includes war vessels and trading ships with weapons from ANY nation), as well as blockading all of ViZion's ships, as well as many of our top allies. They threatened to block these ships and/or board them, or even destroy them if they do not obey.

Considering ViZion is located in Italy, as well as parts of Africa (OOC: check my "Big Book O Facts" in my sig for the list of land we own), it is extremely important that this blockade is ended for clear reasons.

We ask of your support to ignore the blockade, and we ask for your nations to send what they can to ViZion's homeland in defense - they are trying to keep nations from helping build up defensively, and it is clear they're planning to strike us.

Thank you!

President Maybury

(OOC: Threads involved in this war - http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=433846 ; http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=433105 ; http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=433463 ; http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=434295 < OOC thread

bump for Peopleita and Aust to see/reply.

OOC: Okay that buggers me up.

IC: Currently the only forces we have in the area of this blockade are our coloney of the fortress Island of Baliares, we have an air wing stationed there.

However Guffingford is also an allie and we are a member of IA. This mean that we would find it hard to declare war upon him. However we are willing to act as a mediator to find a diplomatic soloution Should Guffingford invade without good reason then we shall of course support you and our forces on Baliares will aid you.

Rest assured, if any military action is taking against you you have the full support of Peopleita. At this time we are sending 3 boats of aid, containg food, timber and oil tankers.

As long as you aren't the aggressor Thekalu will gladly help in any way we can :sniper:

OOC: Okay that buggers me up.

IC: Currently the only forces we have in the area of this blockade are our coloney of the fortress Island of Baliares, we have an air wing stationed there.

However Guffingford is also an allie and we are a member of IA. This mean that we would find it hard to declare war upon him. However we are willing to act as a mediator to find a diplomatic soloution Should Guffingford invade without good reason then we shall of course support you and our forces on Baliares will aid you.
Guffingford has already made it clear he is NOT interested in peace, and he has yet to issue any statement that they are even considering ending their blockade. We urge you to convince them to end it. If he doesn't, this war WILL go full-blown. Rather they are planning an invasion is all speculation at this time, HOWEVER it is believed they are planning an invasion. We also urge you to convince them not to take any hostile actions - rather it be against ViZion or any of our allies. If an attack occurs against an ally, it can and will be viewed as an attack against ViZion.

Once again, we urge you to get Guffingford to stand down. We have little hope of this, as they have openly stated they are not intent on having peace - they want war.

Peopleita will only join the war if you are attacked, unless your ally has signed the treaty.

What is the treaty's stance if we aid our ally, a non-signee, and then we, ourselves, come under attack? Would we be viewed as the aggressor, or would we be subject to required alliance support?

Well technicly you'd be the agressor as you made the first military strike against them. But we're not absalouteists, if they attacked you with WMDs we'd probably enter on your side.

The Imperium of Serapindal, will gladly join this. Serapindal is not a civil-rights lovefest, but it even it is disgusted by some of his uneffective practices. For example: Unsatisfactory slaves often have them, and/or their families murdered. Which is highly ineffective. As well, he has many other brutal methods, that simply even wards of Serapindal. The Imperium of Serapindal will join.

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We draw the Brothers in Arms attention to the developing situation with Torontia.

"Torontia is harmless."
-Nillie Welson, Defense Minister

"Torontia is harmless."
-Nillie Welson, Defense Minister

They're about 2 inches away from declaring war on us.

"This ain't a 'Protect Peopleita' treaty, it is a treaty for awareness of the threat of Algeristan. Sorry, but unless we are given a better reason, Chitzeland will not step in if Torontia declares war on you."
-Nillie Welson, Defense Minister

It's not just Algeristan, that was just the main reason of forming this treaty. It is for any nation who are in danger of being invaded. It doesn't matter if it is you or me, if it we're you though I could guarente you support.

Paul Kaufman says "So much for 'Brother' in Arms. Hah!"

The Commandante reminds Paul Kaufman that there is more than one nation in the Brothers in Arms

Nillie Welson pulls his glasses out of his coat and examines the fine print on the treaty.

"Oh, alright. We will send some help if you get yourself in to trouble. Just remember to conduct yourself well around potentially hostile nations. We don't want to be sending off our boys every time you get into an argument. Now, if you will excuse me, I am going to call Leonard for a cabinet meeting."

Wasn't this Treaty formed to combat inhuman slavery?

Wasn't this Treaty formed to combat inhuman slavery?

Sort of. At the time Algeristan was trying to establish a human slavery business. When a few nations protested through trading embargos they thraetned military action so I set up this.

"What? Oh damn. You know, when signing up for a treaty, it may be good to read the Treaty...uggh. I didn't know that we had to protect each other from invaders..."