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Racism outlawed in the Empire

MelekTaus
23-07-2005, 20:47
"The small islands based Empire of MelekTaus have outlawed racist remarks in public areas, racist websites and all forms of racism that could be heard or seen within and by the general public. The minimum penalty for any 'racist crime' has been assigned as a 10 year sentance in a reformation prison, being educated into the aspects of other cultures and religions, as well as having access to resources to help improve their qualifications to get a job when they are released.. A repeate offender can expect to spend another 20 years of their life in prison, without appeal or a reduction in the sentance.

Over 50 Nazi and right wing supportists have already been arrested under the new rules, one being given Capital Punishment for the murder of a Muslim MelekTausian citizen.

MelekTaus news, Live..."
Emmitia
23-07-2005, 20:54
La ce numesi Pirokajuon,

We're glad to see that the fellow nation of MelekTaus has taken the important step of increasing the arm of law over it's citizens, and hopes tha tthe MelekTausian government will realise that uncontrolled, rampant citizens are a danger to civilization and the nation itself, and will increase the regulations and laws over the normally violent civilian rabble to turn them into citizens of the world. Emmitia would be glad to provide Civil Protection officers to help the MelekTausian government in policing the less cooperative of citizens.

Emmitian Imperial Ministry of Foreign Relations and Defense,
Co-signed: Emmitian Imperial Ministry of Law and Civil Protection
Minister and Regent of all of Emmitia in the place of the Emperor Nicanor Angelicus Victor, Minister Veresi
Co-signed, Minister Auikor
Fergustonia
23-07-2005, 21:02
The official stance of Fergustonia is that "MelekTaus" has made a mistake in limiting racist speach - in fact, it encourages threats and murder as opposed to the recently banne dridicule as a means for the racist to have a voice - if you can be imprisoned for saying something racist, why not assault or murder a person you are racist against? It has become the safest method of getting such a voice.

The citizens of Fergustonia urge the nation of MelekTaus to repeal this legality, both in regard for basic human rights and in hopes of a safer, more open society.
MelekTaus
23-07-2005, 21:04
The official stance of Fergustonia is that "MelekTaus" has made a mistake in limiting racist speach - in fact, it encourages threats and murder as opposed to the recently banne dridicule as a means for the racist to have a voice - if you can be imprisoned for saying something racist, why not assault or murder a person you are racist against? It has become the safest method of getting such a voice.

The citizens of Fergustonia urge the nation of MelekTaus to repeal this legality, both in regard for basic human rights and in hopes of a safer, more open society.


The empire of MelekTaus already has severe penalties for assault and murder. Both have the sentance of death by the means of lethal injection with sedative. The Empire also kindly requests the nation of Fergustonia to keep out of its legal affairs, which it has no place in as a foreign power.

Signed, Emperor David Suffolk IV
Emmitia
23-07-2005, 21:08
The official stance of Fergustonia is that "MelekTaus" has made a mistake in limiting racist speach - in fact, it encourages threats and murder as opposed to the recently banne dridicule as a means for the racist to have a voice - if you can be imprisoned for saying something racist, why not assault or murder a person you are racist against? It has become the safest method of getting such a voice.

The citizens of Fergustonia urge the nation of MelekTaus to repeal this legality, both in regard for basic human rights and in hopes of a safer, more open society.

La ce numesi Pirokajuon,

It is the problem of the nation that it cannot keep its citizens under control or bind them together in unity enough to stop the ideas of racism. Once again, we offer our Civil Protection officers to deal with threats to either of your nation's civil authority. Keep your citizens under control and you can be assured that such things will not happen. Ban firearms and concealed weapons.

Emmitian Imperial Ministry of Foreign Relations and Defense,
Co-signed: Emmitian Imperial Ministry of Law and Civil Protection
Minister and Regent of all of Emmitia in the place of the Emperor Nicanor Angelicus Victor, Minister Veresi
Co-signed, Minister Auikor
MelekTaus
23-07-2005, 21:09
La ce numesi Pirokajuon,

We're glad to see that the fellow nation of MelekTaus has taken the important step of increasing the arm of law over it's citizens, and hopes tha tthe MelekTausian government will realise that uncontrolled, rampant citizens are a danger to civilization and the nation itself, and will increase the regulations and laws over the normally violent civilian rabble to turn them into citizens of the world. Emmitia would be glad to provide Civil Protection officers to help the MelekTausian government in policing the less cooperative of citizens.

Emmitian Imperial Ministry of Foreign Relations and Defense,
Co-signed: Emmitian Imperial Ministry of Law and Civil Protection
Minister and Regent of all of Emmitia in the place of the Emperor Nicanor Angelicus Victor, Minister Veresi
Co-signed, Minister Auikor

The Emperor thanks the Emmitians for their support of its decision, but kindly denies its offer. MelekTaus is more than capable of handling its Civil laws, since Law and Order get 30% of the governmental budget anyway. Once again, it shows its thanks, but officialy says no thanks. Our legal system is our own, and would preffer no outside influences.

Signed Emperor Suffolk
Emmitia
23-07-2005, 21:13
The Emperor thanks the Emmitians for their support of its decision, but kindly denies its offer. MelekTaus is more than capable of handling its Civil laws, since Law and Order get 30% of the governmental budget anyway. Once again, it shows its thanks, but officialy says no thanks. Our legal system is our own, and would preffer no outside influences.

Signed Emperor Suffolk

La ce numesi Pirokajuon,

Very well, but all the same, the Empire and Dominions of the Pirokajuon of Emmitia extends its hand in friendship to the Emperor of MelekTaus, for assistance, both monitary and military, whenever the Emperor of MelekTaus should need it.

Emmitian Imperial Ministry of Foreign Relations and Defense,
Minister and Regent of all of Emmitia in the place of the Emperor Nicanor Angelicus Victor, Minister Veresi
MelekTaus
23-07-2005, 21:16
The Emperor of MelekTaus offers an embassidonial palace on one of its smaller islands, just off the coast of the mainland Enochian Island. It is mostly of jungle terrain, with a large old Asianic style palace built in its centre. Perhaps a small embassy team wold care to take residance. Security is provided by a small hand picked team of Royal Commando Troops, 4th Battalion.

Prime Minister to HRIM (His Royal Imperial Majesty), Martin Halford.
Emmitia
23-07-2005, 21:23
The Emperor of MelekTaus offers an embassidonial palace on one of its smaller islands, just off the coast of the mainland Enochian Island. It is mostly of jungle terrain, with a large old Asianic style palace built in its centre. Perhaps a small embassy team wold care to take residance. Security is provided by a small hand picked team of Royal Commando Troops, 4th Battalion.

Prime Minister to HRIM (His Royal Imperial Majesty), Martin Halford.

From Minister and Regent Veresi:

Very well, but the Empire insists that we spare the nation of MelekTaus the cost of providing the defenses of the Embassadorial palace, and allow us to protect it with Emmitian Imperial Army Troops. In return, an embassy has been built in the center of the Emmitian Imperial Capital of Sece Emmitia, ready to be staffed at complete cost of the Emmitian Empire.
MelekTaus
23-07-2005, 21:25
From Minister and Regent Veresi:

Very well, but the Empire insists that we spare the nation of MelekTaus the cost of providing the defenses of the Embassadorial palace, and allow us to protect it with Emmitian Imperial Army Troops. In return, an embassy has been built in the center of the Emmitian Imperial Capital of Sece Emmitia, ready to be staffed at complete cost of the Emmitian Empire.


The Empire agrees to the terms, and shall instead use the commandoes to protect the MelekTaus embassy within your own lands. We ask that we be able to pay for the costs of our embassy within the Emmitian Empire.

Prime Minister for HRIM, Martin Halford.
Leafanistan
23-07-2005, 21:30
Leafanistan likes this effort and will award some Skate-class Frigates and Bravo-class destroyers that we plan to scrap later. We shall give you 4 of each class.
Emmitia
23-07-2005, 21:30
The Empire agrees to the terms, and shall instead use the commandoes to protect the MelekTaus embassy within your own lands. We ask that we be able to pay for the costs of our embassy within the Emmitian Empire.

Prime Minister for HRIM, Martin Halford.

La ce numesi Pirokajuon,

The Empire will not resist the insistance of MelekTaus to pay for their embassy, and will grant them this, and allow them to staff their embassy within Sece Emmitia with their soldiers, just as Emmitian Imperial Army troops shall be stationed within the embassadorial palace in the Empire of MelekTaus. We wish our nations a long and peaceful friendship.

Emmitian Imperial Ministry of Foreign Relations and Defense,
Minister and Regent of all of Emmitia in the place of the Emperor Nicanor Angelicus Victor, Minister Veresi
MelekTaus
23-07-2005, 21:34
Leafanistan likes this effort and will award some Skate-class Frigates and Bravo-class destroyers that we plan to scrap later. We shall give you 4 of each class.


The Empire of MelekTaus has a succifiant Naval force for the time being, and kindly declines the offer. Being an Empire of islands, we have had to increase our naval power from the aging fleet, as demonstrated here. However, we would be gratefull if you could keep them in reserve, just incase.

HRIM Emperor David Suffolk IV

Defence Fleet 1:

Battleships:
Strum class
Ships: "HRIMS Strum"
Displacement: 57,500 tons full load.
Dimensions: Length overall 887.1ft (270.4m); beam 108.2ft (32.97m); draught 38.0ft (11.6m).
Aicraft: None
Armament: 32 Katana SLCM Launchers; 16 Harpoon SSM launchers; nine Model 16in (406mm) gund; 12.5in (127mm) Mk 12 Mod 1 DP Guns; four 0.8in (20mm) Mk15 gatling CIWS; eight 0.5 (12.7mm) MG.
Propulsion Four sets geared turbines (212,00shp) four shafts; 33kts
Captains (In order of ships): Admiral James Donnopan

Destoryers:
Imperial class
Ships: "HRIMS Indespensible", "HRIMS Imperial" "HRIMS Audace"
Displacement: 4,554 tons.
Dimensions: Length 461.6ft (140.7m); beam 48.1in (14.65m); draught 15.1ft (4.6m).
Aircraft: One SH-3D Sea King or two Agusta-Bell AB.212ASW.
Armament: Eight OTOMAT-Teseo SSM launchers; one Mk 13 missle laucher for Standard SM-1MR SAM; one Albatros SAM system; one 5in (127mm) OTO Melara compact DP gun; four OTO Melara 3in (76mm) Super-Rapid DP guns; four 21in (533mm) torpedo tubes; six 12.7in (324mm) ASW torpedo tubes.
Propulsion: Two sets geared turbines (73,000shp); SEMT-Pielstick 12 PC 2 V400 diesels; two shafts; 33kts
Captains: Captain John Berwick, Captain David Suffolk, Captain Sir Thomas Delbury

Guided Missle Destroyers:
South Palistic class
Ships: "HRIMS South Palistic" "HRIMS Queen's Glory" "HRIMS Emperor"
Displacement: 4,308 tons full load.
Dimensions: Length overall 453.4ft (138.2m); beam 48.6ft (14.8m); draught 15.1ft (4.6m)
Aircraft: One Lynx Helicopter
Armament: Four Harpoon SSM launchers; one Mk 13 launcher for Standard SM-1 MR SAMS; one NATO Sea Sparrow SAM system; two 4.7in (120mm) Bofors DP guns; six 21in (533mm) torpedo tubes.
Propulsion: COGOG. Two Rolls-Royce Olympus TM-3B gas-turbines (54,000shp); two Rolls-Royce Tyne RM-1C gas turbines (8,200shp); two shafts; 30kts
Captains: Captain Michael Glorbury, Captain Samual Halford, Junior Captain Donald Radford

Frigates:
Ships: "HRIMS Donald" "HRIMS Imperator" "HRIMS Conquest" "HRIMS Destroyer" "HRIMS Speciality"
Displacement: 3,786 tons full load.
Dimensions: Length overall 427.2ft (130.2m); beam 47.2ft (14.4m); draught 14.3ft (4.4m).
Aircraft: Two Lynx ASW helicopters
Armament: Four Harpoon SSM launchers; one NATO Sea Sparrow SAM system; one 3in (76mm) OTO Melara DP gun; one 1.12in (30mm) Goalkeeper CIWS; four 12.7 in (324mm) torpedo tubes.
Propulsion: CODOG. Two Rolls-ROyce Tyne RM-1C gas turbines (8,000shp); two shafts; 30kts
Captains: Senior Captain George Humphry, Captain Ivan Koyovich, Junior Captain Gregory Franz, Junior Captain Fredrick Johnson, Junior Captain Bradly "BB" Bailey

Landing Platform Docks:
Frankish class
Ships: "HRIMS Frankish"
Displacement: 11,000 tons (13,100 full load).
Dimentions: Length overall 521.6ft (159m); beam 80.2ft (24.5m); draught 21.2ft (6.5m).
Aircraft: Four Ks-29TB Kasatka combat transport helicopters
Armament: One twin SA-N-4 SAM launcher; two SA-N-5/8 SAM systems; one twin 3in (76mm) gun mounting; four 0.9in (23mm) gatlings; one BM-21 (naval) rochet launcher.
Propulsion: four diesels (20,000shp) 20kts.
Troop/Tank carrying capacity: 40 tanks, 1 battalion of troops (500-1000), 20 support vehicals, 30 ACV landing craft.
Captains: Junior Captain Martin Sterling

Patrol frigates
Inscruitable class
Ships: 15 ships F 40 - F 55
Displacement: 1,330 tons.
Dimensions: Length 262.5ft (80.0m); beam 33.8ft (10.3m); draught 9.8ft (3.0m)
Armament: Four MM38 Exorcet SSM launchers; one 3.9in (100mm) Model DP gun; two 0.8in (20mm) AA cannon; one Kasablanka 14.75in (375mm) ASW RL; four fixed torpedo tubes.
Propulsion: Two SEMT-Pielstick 12 PC 2 V400 diesles; two shafts; 23.3kts

Aircraft Carriers:
Bernard Class
Ships: "HRIMS Bernad" "HRIMS Gaudace"
Displacement: 32,700 tons full load.
Dimensions: Length overall 869.4ft (265.0m); width (over flightdeck) 168.0ft (51.2m); draught 28.2ft (8.6m).
Aircraft: Typically, 16 Sea Harriers, 10 F-16 "Vengeances", 3 Etendard IVP, 5 Tom-Cats, 2 Sea King helicopters, 2 Apache support combat helicopters.
Armament: Two MM38 Exorcet SSM launchers; four 3.9in (100mm) Model DP guns.
Propulsion: Two sets Parsons geared-turbines (126,000shp); two shafts; 32kts.
Captains: Senior Captain John Basilby, Vice Admiral Frank Halford

Fleet submarines:
Rubix class
Ships: "HRIMS Tragedy" "HRIMS Lucky-shot" "HRIMS Predictable" "HRIMS Polish" "HRIMS Undoubtable" "HRIMS Boarding"
Displacement: 2,385 tons surfaced; 2,670 tons submerged.
Dimensions: Length overall 236.5ft (72.1m); beam 24.9ft (7.6m); depth 21ft (6.4m).
Armament: Four 21in (522mm) torpedo tubes; SNM 39 Exocet SSM; ECAN LS Mod 3 and ECAN F 17 Mod 2 torpedoes.
Propulsion: One pressurized water-cooled nuclear reactor, one electric motor (9500shp); 25 kts submerged.
Captains: Junior Captain Steven Hawks, Junior Captain Andrew Jarman, Junior Captain Harry Montague, Junior Captain Punitz Granin, Captain Peter Brenard, Senior Captain Nelson Georgeon.

Patrol submarines:
Golden Sun class
Ships: 8 ships SMV1 - SMV8
Displacement: 2,455 tons submerged.
Dimensions: Length overall 230.6ft (70.3m); beam 25ft (7.6m); depth 7.7ft (5.5m).
Armament: Six 21in (533mm) tubes for Wakizashi Mk 23 Mod 2 and Speargun torpedoes; UGM-84B Sub-Harpoon SSM; ground mines.
Propulsion: Two Paxman diesels; one electric motor (5,400hp); one shaft; 12kts surfaced (20kts submerged).
Emmitia
23-07-2005, 21:36
The Empire of MelekTaus has a succifiant Naval force for the time being, and kindly declines the offer. Being an Empire of islands, we have had to increase our naval power from the aging fleet, as demonstrated here. However, we would be gratefull if you could keep them in reserve, just incase.

HRIM Emperor David Suffolk IV

Defence Fleet 1:

Battleships:
Strum class
Ships: "HRIMS Strum"
Displacement: 57,500 tons full load.
Dimensions: Length overall 887.1ft (270.4m); beam 108.2ft (32.97m); draught 38.0ft (11.6m).
Aicraft: None
Armament: 32 Katana SLCM Launchers; 16 Harpoon SSM launchers; nine Model 16in (406mm) gund; 12.5in (127mm) Mk 12 Mod 1 DP Guns; four 0.8in (20mm) Mk15 gatling CIWS; eight 0.5 (12.7mm) MG.
Propulsion Four sets geared turbines (212,00shp) four shafts; 33kts
Captains (In order of ships): Admiral James Donnopan

Destoryers:
Imperial class
Ships: "HRIMS Indespensible", "HRIMS Imperial" "HRIMS Audace"
Displacement: 4,554 tons.
Dimensions: Length 461.6ft (140.7m); beam 48.1in (14.65m); draught 15.1ft (4.6m).
Aircraft: One SH-3D Sea King or two Agusta-Bell AB.212ASW.
Armament: Eight OTOMAT-Teseo SSM launchers; one Mk 13 missle laucher for Standard SM-1MR SAM; one Albatros SAM system; one 5in (127mm) OTO Melara compact DP gun; four OTO Melara 3in (76mm) Super-Rapid DP guns; four 21in (533mm) torpedo tubes; six 12.7in (324mm) ASW torpedo tubes.
Propulsion: Two sets geared turbines (73,000shp); SEMT-Pielstick 12 PC 2 V400 diesels; two shafts; 33kts
Captains: Captain John Berwick, Captain David Suffolk, Captain Sir Thomas Delbury

Guided Missle Destroyers:
South Palistic class
Ships: "HRIMS South Palistic" "HRIMS Queen's Glory" "HRIMS Emperor"
Displacement: 4,308 tons full load.
Dimensions: Length overall 453.4ft (138.2m); beam 48.6ft (14.8m); draught 15.1ft (4.6m)
Aircraft: One Lynx Helicopter
Armament: Four Harpoon SSM launchers; one Mk 13 launcher for Standard SM-1 MR SAMS; one NATO Sea Sparrow SAM system; two 4.7in (120mm) Bofors DP guns; six 21in (533mm) torpedo tubes.
Propulsion: COGOG. Two Rolls-Royce Olympus TM-3B gas-turbines (54,000shp); two Rolls-Royce Tyne RM-1C gas turbines (8,200shp); two shafts; 30kts
Captains: Captain Michael Glorbury, Captain Samual Halford, Junior Captain Donald Radford

Frigates:
Ships: "HRIMS Donald" "HRIMS Imperator" "HRIMS Conquest" "HRIMS Destroyer" "HRIMS Speciality"
Displacement: 3,786 tons full load.
Dimensions: Length overall 427.2ft (130.2m); beam 47.2ft (14.4m); draught 14.3ft (4.4m).
Aircraft: Two Lynx ASW helicopters
Armament: Four Harpoon SSM launchers; one NATO Sea Sparrow SAM system; one 3in (76mm) OTO Melara DP gun; one 1.12in (30mm) Goalkeeper CIWS; four 12.7 in (324mm) torpedo tubes.
Propulsion: CODOG. Two Rolls-ROyce Tyne RM-1C gas turbines (8,000shp); two shafts; 30kts
Captains: Senior Captain George Humphry, Captain Ivan Koyovich, Junior Captain Gregory Franz, Junior Captain Fredrick Johnson, Junior Captain Bradly "BB" Bailey

Landing Platform Docks:
Frankish class
Ships: "HRIMS Frankish"
Displacement: 11,000 tons (13,100 full load).
Dimentions: Length overall 521.6ft (159m); beam 80.2ft (24.5m); draught 21.2ft (6.5m).
Aircraft: Four Ks-29TB Kasatka combat transport helicopters
Armament: One twin SA-N-4 SAM launcher; two SA-N-5/8 SAM systems; one twin 3in (76mm) gun mounting; four 0.9in (23mm) gatlings; one BM-21 (naval) rochet launcher.
Propulsion: four diesels (20,000shp) 20kts.
Troop/Tank carrying capacity: 40 tanks, 1 battalion of troops (500-1000), 20 support vehicals, 30 ACV landing craft.
Captains: Junior Captain Martin Sterling

Patrol frigates
Inscruitable class
Ships: 15 ships F 40 - F 55
Displacement: 1,330 tons.
Dimensions: Length 262.5ft (80.0m); beam 33.8ft (10.3m); draught 9.8ft (3.0m)
Armament: Four MM38 Exorcet SSM launchers; one 3.9in (100mm) Model DP gun; two 0.8in (20mm) AA cannon; one Kasablanka 14.75in (375mm) ASW RL; four fixed torpedo tubes.
Propulsion: Two SEMT-Pielstick 12 PC 2 V400 diesles; two shafts; 23.3kts

Aircraft Carriers:
Bernard Class
Ships: "HRIMS Bernad" "HRIMS Gaudace"
Displacement: 32,700 tons full load.
Dimensions: Length overall 869.4ft (265.0m); width (over flightdeck) 168.0ft (51.2m); draught 28.2ft (8.6m).
Aircraft: Typically, 16 Sea Harriers, 10 F-16 "Vengeances", 3 Etendard IVP, 5 Tom-Cats, 2 Sea King helicopters, 2 Apache support combat helicopters.
Armament: Two MM38 Exorcet SSM launchers; four 3.9in (100mm) Model DP guns.
Propulsion: Two sets Parsons geared-turbines (126,000shp); two shafts; 32kts.
Captains: Senior Captain John Basilby, Vice Admiral Frank Halford

Fleet submarines:
Rubix class
Ships: "HRIMS Tragedy" "HRIMS Lucky-shot" "HRIMS Predictable" "HRIMS Polish" "HRIMS Undoubtable" "HRIMS Boarding"
Displacement: 2,385 tons surfaced; 2,670 tons submerged.
Dimensions: Length overall 236.5ft (72.1m); beam 24.9ft (7.6m); depth 21ft (6.4m).
Armament: Four 21in (522mm) torpedo tubes; SNM 39 Exocet SSM; ECAN LS Mod 3 and ECAN F 17 Mod 2 torpedoes.
Propulsion: One pressurized water-cooled nuclear reactor, one electric motor (9500shp); 25 kts submerged.
Captains: Junior Captain Steven Hawks, Junior Captain Andrew Jarman, Junior Captain Harry Montague, Junior Captain Punitz Granin, Captain Peter Brenard, Senior Captain Nelson Georgeon.

Patrol submarines:
Golden Sun class
Ships: 8 ships SMV1 - SMV8
Displacement: 2,455 tons submerged.
Dimensions: Length overall 230.6ft (70.3m); beam 25ft (7.6m); depth 7.7ft (5.5m).
Armament: Six 21in (533mm) tubes for Wakizashi Mk 23 Mod 2 and Speargun torpedoes; UGM-84B Sub-Harpoon SSM; ground mines.
Propulsion: Two Paxman diesels; one electric motor (5,400hp); one shaft; 12kts surfaced (20kts submerged).

OOC: How do you have that many ships for a nation with 10mil people?
MelekTaus
23-07-2005, 21:37
La ce numesi Pirokajuon,

The Empire will not resist the insistance of MelekTaus to pay for their embassy, and will grant them this, and allow them to staff their embassy within Sece Emmitia with their soldiers, just as Emmitian Imperial Army troops shall be stationed within the embassadorial palace in the Empire of MelekTaus. We wish our nations a long and peaceful friendship.

Emmitian Imperial Ministry of Foreign Relations and Defense,
Minister and Regent of all of Emmitia in the place of the Emperor Nicanor Angelicus Victor, Minister Veresi


The Empire of MelekTaus is highly gratefull of this act of kindness, and shall begin the preperation of the palace right away. A staff of 20 men and woman are on their way to the MelekTaus embassy, along with 50 Commando troops. Your Army and Navy is welcome to use our main port to gain access to the island, only 15 minutes away swimming speed from the port.
MelekTaus
23-07-2005, 21:39
OOC: How do you have that many ships for a nation with 10mil people?

Britian had a fleet of over 100 ships when the population of Britian is around 6-7 million. I also scrapped public transport budge, and all the rest of it, to focus on Law and Order and Defence. Please check here for it. Also, those ships, althought numerous, aren't super hightech as apparent by the old style Battleship and DP guns. No nuclear weapons either, and I have a very small army and airforce. An island doesn't need such things, it needs a Navy.

http://nseconomy.thirdgeek.com/nseconomy.php?nation=MelekTaus
Leafanistan
23-07-2005, 21:45
Britian had a fleet of over 100 ships when the population of Britian is around 6-7 million. I also scrapped public transport budge, and all the rest of it, to focus on Law and Order and Defence. Please check here for it. Also, those ships, althought numerous, aren't super hightech as apparent by the old style Battleship and DP guns. No nuclear weapons either, and I have a very small army and airforce. An island doesn't need such things, it needs a Navy.

http://nseconomy.thirdgeek.com/nseconomy.php?nation=MelekTaus

OOC: Yeah, I felt that with this kidna RPing its reasonable. If you ever need ships, we are scrapping a bunch to have newer Praetorian ships.
New Ignas
23-07-2005, 21:46
The president of the United States of New Ignas spoke today of the outlaw of Racism in the Empire of MelekTaus to the Media.

"This is Eric DeVille, of the GNN, reporting live from the Presidential Estate." President Dalton T. Kennedy stood at the podium overlooking a vast crowd of people that came to see him speak about this outlawed racism in a nation not to far from the region of Henrico.

"It is a worthy and noble effort," The president says, "But unfortunately, it is oppressive, and against the civil rights of the people of MelekTaus. I couldn't support such a thing."

This broadcast leaked over to the nation of MelekTaus within only minutes after it was aired on television.
MelekTaus
23-07-2005, 21:47
OOC: Yeah, I felt that with this kidna RPing its reasonable. If you ever need ships, we are scrapping a bunch to have newer Praetorian ships.


Thank you, but as said, no thanks. If you should need any Naval ships, we specialise in such things, and will be willing to privatly build them here, and ship them to you.

Prime Minister to HRIM, Martin Halford.
MelekTaus
23-07-2005, 21:50
The president of the United States of New Ignas spoke today of the outlaw of Racism in the Empire of MelekTaus to the Media.

"This is Eric DeVille, of the GNN, reporting live from the Presidential Estate." President Dalton T. Kennedy stood at the podium overlooking a vast crowd of people that came to see him speak about this outlawed racism in a nation not to far from the region of Henrico.

"It is a worthy and noble effort," The president says, "But unfortunately, it is oppressive, and against the civil rights of the people of MelekTaus. I couldn't support such a thing."

This broadcast leaked over to the nation of MelekTaus within only minutes after it was aired on television.

The Emperor waved off such comments, dismissing them simply. "Civil rights are things our people must work to obtain. My family had to fight and shed blood to do so, and so do I, to be Emperor. We would like to point out the President that we don't wish foreign powers to play any part of our internal affairs. Racism is a sick cancer, and we will not let it spread with its message of internal social hate. But we give them dignity by reeducating them, and giving them the chance to reform."
Emmitia
23-07-2005, 21:54
Britian had a fleet of over 100 ships when the population of Britian is around 6-7 million. I also scrapped public transport budge, and all the rest of it, to focus on Law and Order and Defence. Please check here for it. Also, those ships, althought numerous, aren't super hightech as apparent by the old style Battleship and DP guns. No nuclear weapons either, and I have a very small army and airforce. An island doesn't need such things, it needs a Navy.

http://nseconomy.thirdgeek.com/nseconomy.php?nation=MelekTaus

Your defense budget is 7 billion dollars, which is pitifully small, and not near the ability to service, purchase, man and supply those ships effectively, much less an army or air force.

You need men to supply it, so only one fourth of all men in your navy would man those ships. Others would man troop carriers and support vessels.

You need to train men, and that takes a lot of money, you need to equip them, you need to resupply ships, you need to repair them, and you need to keep them from rusting up with a thousand other things.

This all takes a lot of money, so you're either going to have badly trained sailors and troops, or a smaller army with less ships, but slightly better trained.

I'm just warning you, if you try and field that navy at your size, you might get a lot of people screaming at you.
New Ignas
23-07-2005, 21:54
The Emperor waved off such comments, dismissing them simply. "Civil rights are things our people must work to obtain. My family had to fight and shed blood to do so, and so do I, to be Emperor. We would like to point out the President that we don't wish foreign powers to play any part of our internal affairs. Racism is a sick cancer, and we will not let it spread with its message of internal social hate. But we give them dignity by reeducating them, and giving them the chance to reform."

After hearing of this, the president speaks again, despite of the fact that he did not mean for it to leak to them. "In response to this, I apologize for this getting to you, as it was not meant to do so in the first place. But in the interest of your people, perhaps you should reconsider such a harsh amount of time in a correctional facility. I understand the hate crimes part, but to justify words of hate in regards to one's race with such a long penalty, that's taking it a bit to far." Pictures are snapped of the president, "My opinion does not have to matter to you, though I am offering this to you in nothing but friendly advice."
MelekTaus
23-07-2005, 21:57
Your defense budget is 7 billion dollars, which is pitifully small, and not near the ability to service, purchase, man and supply those ships effectively, much less an army or air force.

You need men to supply it, so only one fourth of all men in your navy would man those ships. Others would man troop carriers and support vessels.

You need to train men, and that takes a lot of money, you need to equip them, you need to resupply ships, you need to repair them, and you need to keep them from rusting up with a thousand other things.

This all takes a lot of money, so you're either going to have badly trained sailors and troops, or a smaller army with less ships, but slightly better trained.

I'm just warning you, if you try and field that navy at your size, you might get a lot of people screaming at you.

Our current practice is to use only part of the Navy, using the rest in reserve. In otherwords, we don't assign every ship a crew, rather we assign those men we do have to the ships we currently own, for each specific mission. In times of defence crisis, we conscrip men and transfer the police units into the military, combining our Law and Order budget with our Military spending.
Emmitia
23-07-2005, 21:58
Our current practice is to use only part of the Navy, using the rest in reserve. In otherwords, we don't assign every ship a crew, rather we assign those men we do have to the ships we currently own, for each specific mission. In times of defence crisis, we conscrip men and transfer the police units into the military, combining our Law and Order budget with our Military spending.

OOC: Very well, but know that they're not going to be very well trained or equipped, and their morale will go down the tubes, especially with conscription.
MelekTaus
23-07-2005, 21:59
After hearing of this, the president speaks again, despite of the fact that he did not mean for it to leak to them. "In response to this, I apologize for this getting to you, as it was not meant to do so in the first place. But in the interest of your people, perhaps you should reconsider such a harsh amount of time in a correctional facility. I understand the hate crimes part, but to justify words of hate in regards to one's race with such a long penalty, that's taking it a bit to far." Pictures are snapped of the president, "My opinion does not have to matter to you, though I am offering this to you in nothing but friendly advice."

The Emperor replied to the President thus: "We accept you find it hard to understand the harshness we apply to hate crimes, but don't expect you to do so. The advice you gave wasn't taken as anything other than words, and no political or military action has even been contemplated aganst you. We hope we can remain on good standing with each other."
MelekTaus
23-07-2005, 22:02
OOC: Very well, but know that they're not going to be very well trained or equipped, and their morale will go down the tubes, especially with conscription.

OOC: Thats why I've chucked loads of ships at a problem xP, because many of my men will loose moral. Besides, I've deliberatly kept my government in an arrogan medieval like society, considering the fact that it's new to the NS world. My previous nation of Trolsk had in the Trillions of dollars budget, and a small but highly well equip force of 200,000 land infantry to protect over 550,000,000 people. Special forces played a big part.
New Ignas
23-07-2005, 22:02
"Though this is social injustice, as a nation on the rise in everything but weaponry, going to war with you would be impossible. I would never put my people through that, especially over something as this. I offered you my advice, and that was all I had intended to do form the start, Emperor. The relations between the two of our countries will not be effected in any way. From the beginning, we were startled by your decision," He says, talking into a microphone, "We understand your want to eradicate all racial injustice, but your people will have to suffer while this is enacted. Families will be torn, lives will be destroyed, and for what?" He wipes a bead of sweat from his forehead with a towel and takes a drink of water.
Emmitia
23-07-2005, 22:06
"Though this is social injustice, as a nation on the rise in everything but weaponry, going to war with you would be impossible. I would never put my people through that, especially over something as this. I offered you my advice, and that was all I had intended to do form the start, Emperor. The relations between the two of our countries will not be effected in any way. From the beginning, we were startled by your decision," He says, talking into a microphone, "We understand your want to eradicate all racial injustice, but your people will have to suffer while this is enacted. Families will be torn, lives will be destroyed, and for what?" He wipes a bead of sweat from his forehead with a towel and takes a drink of water.

Communique to New Ignas:

La ce numesi Pirokajuon,

Surely you must understand that the people of a nation are notoriously fickle and violent creatures, and must be kept under control using the strictest means possible. That is the only way to introduce to them the theory of civilization and humanity, and from there to become a truely great state. We fully support MelekTaus on this decision, and we hope that New Ignas can be made to see the benefits of exposing mankind to civilization through the strong fist of Civil Protection.

Emmitian Imperial Ministry of Foreign Relations and Defense
Minister and Regent in place of the Emperor, The Pirokaujuon Nicanor Angelicus Victor,
Minister Veresi
MelekTaus
23-07-2005, 22:07
"For the sake of racial intergration..." The Emperor replied simply, his features cold and calm. "You don't understand our culture... Honour, and military life is the centre of our society, and we take pride in a total equality policy. Women and men can do the evry same jobs as each other, and racism is only a small problem. The laws we enacted will only affect a small part of our population, and our act of re-educating them will also increase intelligence levels, providing much needed thinkers. We have more labourers than we need, and it's only in the outskirt islands that racism appears to reside. None the less, we intend to remain friendly to your nation. We just preffer to remain self autonomous."
New Ignas
23-07-2005, 22:12
President Dalton T. Kennedy replies to the emperor, in the nicest way he could manage. "I may agree with your noble cause, but I cannot offer any support to it. If I brought that kind of thing into my government, the people would be oppressed. We live under different lifestyles, this I know. Democracy and an Empire.. those are two different things. So in the pursuit of good relations with you, I will refrain from saying anything else that would offend your drive to remove racial injustice from your nation."

The president offers a nod, and leaves the podium, the media following him with many cameras and microphones.
MelekTaus
23-07-2005, 22:15
As a final word, the Emperor thanked the President on his opinion, deciding to agree to disagree. "Let there still be peace amoung our people. All New Ignas peoples are still welcome to visit and holiday in our lands. Any found breaking our rules will also, instead of being held here, be extradited to their homeland, so their own people may perform justice on them. Good health, President Dalton. Ave Satanas!"
New Ignas
23-07-2005, 22:26
Communique to New Ignas:

La ce numesi Pirokajuon,

Surely you must understand that the people of a nation are notoriously fickle and violent creatures, and must be kept under control using the strictest means possible. That is the only way to introduce to them the theory of civilization and humanity, and from there to become a truely great state. We fully support MelekTaus on this decision, and we hope that New Ignas can be made to see the benefits of exposing mankind to civilization through the strong fist of Civil Protection.

Emmitian Imperial Ministry of Foreign Relations and Defense
Minister and Regent in place of the Emperor, The Pirokaujuon Nicanor Angelicus Victor,
Minister Veresi

To the nation of Emmitia,

"Not all people are the same, and they cannot be oppressed like this, not under my authority. I'm not going to brainwash them into thinking exactly what the government intends them to think. The United States of New Ignas is under the influence of Democracy, the representative form, under which we serve the people, and create laws and keep order in place of the population itself. Your people, and the people of MelekTaus can be ruled under such an authority, but I will not."

Signed,

Dalton T. Kennedy,
President of the United States of New Ignas
MelekTaus
23-07-2005, 22:30
The Empire of MelekTaus kindly asks the Empire of Emmitia not to try to change the will of the nation of Ignas. You are preaching to those who aren't listening, and instead it would be best to just agree to disagree.

MelekTaus Prime Minister to HRIM, Martin Halford
Emmitia
23-07-2005, 22:39
The Empire of MelekTaus kindly asks the Empire of Emmitia not to try to change the will of the nation of Ignas. You are preaching to those who aren't listening, and instead it would be best to just agree to disagree.

MelekTaus Prime Minister to HRIM, Martin Halford

Communique to both MelekTaus and New Ignas:

La ce numesi Pirokajuon,

Very well, as we value the opinion of our honorable ally, MelekTaus, we will cease any and all attempts to change the government of New Ignas at the moment. We did not mean to be intrusive, but we were merely advertising the benefits of civilization that come from the strong arm of Civil Protection. We do not oppress our citizens, we guide them with the firm hand of a father (i.e., Civil Protection officers and forces).

We respect New Ignas' determination, but warn it to next time not speak in such a firm tone in the case that there are less tolerant nations at the recieving end of your presidental speeches. This is not a threat, but a friendly warning.

Emmitian Imperial Ministry of Foreign Relations and Defense
Minister and Regent in place of the Emperor, The Pirokaujuon Nicanor Angelicus Victor,
Minister Veresi
MelekTaus
23-07-2005, 22:42
*SNIP!*

To Emmitia

The Empire of MelekTaus apreciates the step Emmitia has taken, and hopes that peace will remain amoung the three Nations of MelekTaus, Ignas and Emmitia. Good health to all o your leaders. Ave Satanas.

HRIM Emperor David Suffolk IV
New Ignas
23-07-2005, 22:52
The president of the United States of New Ignas declines responding to either of them.
Emmitia
23-07-2005, 23:07
The president of the United States of New Ignas declines responding to either of them.

To the esteemed president of New Ignas:

"We have not done you the disservice of ignoring or declining to respond to the esteemed president of the United States of New Ignas. Why have you done so to us? We wish nothing but common peace between our two nations, but the recent turn your president has taken towards such relations that are wished upon by the Emmitian government if anything guides us away from such a hopeful future as allies. Please rethink your positon.

Signed,
Minister and Regent Veresi."
New Ignas
23-07-2005, 23:12
To the esteemed president of New Ignas:

"We have not done you the disservice of ignoring or declining to respond to the esteemed president of the United States of New Ignas. Why have you done so to us? We wish nothing but common peace between our two nations, but the recent turn your president has taken towards such relations that are wished upon by the Emmitian government if anything guides us away from such a hopeful future as allies. Please rethink your positon.

Signed,
Minister and Regent Veresi."


TO the Prime Minister of Emmitia,


"I declined to respond due to the fact that I did have other matters to attend to. Foreign relations are important, but I take my people just as seriously, and more seriously than these sorts of matters. My position remains against such a harsh way of removing racial injustice, but it will not keep me from doing my duty. I will do nothing that could disrupt the peace between our countries, and so, I apologize for not replying to you sooner than this."

Signed,
Dalton T. Kennedy,
President of the United States of New Ignas
Emmitia
23-07-2005, 23:17
TO the Prime Minister of Emmitia,


"I declined to respond due to the fact that I did have other matters to attend to. Foreign relations are important, but I take my people just as seriously, and more seriously than these sorts of matters. My position remains against such a harsh way of removing racial injustice, but it will not keep me from doing my duty. I will do nothing that could disrupt the peace between our countries, and so, I apologize for not replying to you sooner than this."

Signed,
Dalton T. Kennedy,
President of the United States of New Ignas

"I do not wish to be too aggressive, but let us point out that you outwardly refused to reply to either our or MelekTaus' communications. If there has been a misunderstanding, so be it, we just ask that you word things better next time, to not perpetuate an insult that you did not intend to give.

On a further note, how does one clear up domestic problems quick enough to answer a letter sent to the effect that we would not like to be ignored? If you decline to speak with us for our stance, please say so, so that the Empire of Emmitia may know how it stands with the esteemed President and his nation.

Signed,
Minister and Regent Veresi"
Fergustonia
24-07-2005, 01:45
Ours and all other communist, libertarian, socialist and social - democratic nations undoubtably stand behind the maxim that we shall always stand against such attacks on civil liberties. History will vindicate us and our efforts with the actuation of a globalized socially - conscious state of socio-economic freedoms.

We will oppose yours and other nations like yours in every step you make that seeks to enslave our bretheran, the entirety of the human race. An attack upon their freedom is tantamount to a threat upon ours.
Emmitia
24-07-2005, 01:52
Ours and all other communist, libertarian, socialist and social - democratic nations undoubtably stand behind the maxim that we shall always stand against such attacks on civil liberties. History will vindicate us and our efforts with the actuation of a globalized socially - conscious state of socio-economic freedoms.

We will oppose yours and other nations like yours in every step you make that seeks to enslave our bretheran, the entirety of the human race. An attack upon their freedom is tantamount to a threat upon ours.

La ce numesi Pirokajuon,

While the threat posed to local people is tantamount figuratively as a threat to your nation, your statement was a very real threat to our ally and us. We ask you to step down from your threat and not be so belligerent and boisterous in the future.

We do not enslave our people. We guide them with the dark hand of strictness to the golden door of civilization. We can understand how some people may not see this as the way, and we will not argue with them.

Emmitian Imperial Ministry of Foreign Relations and Defense
Minister and Regent in place of the Emperor, The Pirokaujuon Nicanor Angelicus Victor,
Minister Veresi
New Los Santos
24-07-2005, 01:58
Ours and all other communist, libertarian, socialist and social - democratic nations undoubtably stand behind the maxim that we shall always stand against such attacks on civil liberties. History will vindicate us and our efforts with the actuation of a globalized socially - conscious state of socio-economic freedoms.

We will oppose yours and other nations like yours in every step you make that seeks to enslave our bretheran, the entirety of the human race. An attack upon their freedom is tantamount to a threat upon ours.

You expect us to support racism being outlawed? Yeah, for too long have races looked down upon other races, but penalties like this are outrageous. It sounds good when you say it and everything, but in the end, most countries that try this kind of crap are hurt by it. I'm against the outlawin' of racism, as is everyone else in this tiny nation. New Los Santos is 'gonna be king, one day.

We agree with Fergustonia, completely.
Moronyicka
24-07-2005, 02:10
You will hand over these persecuted right-wingers to us or else.

~King Jedo~
Emmitia
24-07-2005, 02:26
You will hand over these persecuted right-wingers to us or else.

~King Jedo~

La ce numesi Pirokajuon,

We ask you not to threaten our ally, as was so blatantly shown in your statement.

Emmitian Imperial Ministry of Foreign Relations and Defense
Minister and Regent in place of the Emperor, The Pirokaujuon Nicanor Angelicus Victor,
Minister Veresi
Moronyicka
24-07-2005, 02:30
I do not take orders from puny nations such as yourself. Stay out of this or you may end up with some big problems

~King Jedo~
Emmitia
24-07-2005, 02:34
I do not take orders from puny nations such as yourself. Stay out of this or you may end up with some big problems

~King Jedo~

La ce numesi Pirokajuon,

May we not that we did not order you, we asked you with all the civility and kindness due to your nation. Threatening a nation, either my own or that of my ally's, which has done nothing whatsoever to your own state, is perhaps not the best way to go politically.

Emmitian Imperial Ministry of Foreign Relations and Defense
Minister and Regent in place of the Emperor, The Pirokaujuon Nicanor Angelicus Victor,
Minister Veresi
New Los Santos
24-07-2005, 02:48
You intendin' to spread this around everywhere?

I'll blast you one before you do that. You understand that? Yeah. It's a threat, from a nation much, much smaller than you. We ain't afraid to say what we think at the expense of our lives. Quit this anti-racist crap because all it's doin' is stirring a conflict.
Emmitia
24-07-2005, 02:57
You intendin' to spread this around everywhere?

I'll blast you one before you do that. You understand that? Yeah. It's a threat, from a nation much, much smaller than you. We ain't afraid to say what we think at the expense of our lives. Quit this anti-racist crap because all it's doin' is stirring a conflict.

"We did not threaten anyone else before they threatened us first, nor did we do so as outwardly as you just did. We have not said that we intend to spread this everywhere, as much as it would please us, because we understand the sovereignty of nations and how they may have different governments.

It's odd how your nation places free speech on such a high plane, yet you threaten a nation for speaking it's mind and defending an ally.

We are not against racism or for it, we merely see that people must be kept under a strict hand, and this law our esteemed ally has passed is but first on a step of hopefully further developments towards like-mindedness."
Fergustonia
24-07-2005, 03:11
It's odd how your nation places free speech on such a high plane, yet you threaten a nation for speaking it's mind and defending an ally.

We are not against racism or for it, we merely see that people must be kept under a strict hand, and this law our esteemed ally has passed is but first on a step of hopefully further developments towards like-mindedness."

He threatened you in defense of the people of your nation. Perhaps he is, like I am, an internationalist, a global citizen?

I follow the legacy of Salvadore Allende; you are conversely as his murderer Pinochet was.

Should we follow milk or murder?
Emmitia
24-07-2005, 03:20
He threatened you in defense of the people of your nation. Perhaps he is, like I am, an internationalist, a global citizen?

I follow the legacy of Salvadore Allende; you are conversely as his murderer Pinochet was.

Should we follow milk or murder?

"We have never threatened him, and if he believes that we have threatened his nation, then we apologize. As we have said before: while we may disagree with the system of government a nation follows, we respect their sovereignty, and unless they pose a genuine, provable threat to us, we shall not act on it.

Some say that the General Augusto Pinochet saved Chile from the plague of Communism, so we will see your comment more along the lines of a compliment to the Emmitian Empire.

For those who haven't recieved the message of Emmitian diplomacy: We do not threaten you unless you threaten us or an ally."