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ooc: I am thinking of making a rp of a mission to mars (gotta plant that flag) but with my simple brain I can't find out what I need any ideas and technology’s would be welcome also I could do with RP’s to make it more 3-D

Eh, what's you tech level?

Eh, what's you tech level?

MT-PMT

First a waystation/construction yard. Build a large ship, similar to a nuclear submarine. Since they are designed to be compact, somewhat, and long time away from other human contact, just take that idea and expanded it to a spaceship.

MT-PMT


Ah, in that case, you'd need to know what time frame you're hoping to launch, travel to, arrive, and return from Mars.

You'd also need an idea of what budget you have to see whether or not you can afford what method of transport you decide to use.

If you have the right funding technically, with MT, you could use everything from nuclear pulse engines, to regular chemical rockets. Obviously, the nuclear one would be much faster.

So, first, figure our your budget for the mission, then look at what's available to you at that level.

If you don't want to get that technical from the start, you could always just go and launch a regular old rocket.

For a mission, you need to know how you're going to get there, what you want to do once you make it, and then how you want to get them home.

First a waystation/construction yard. Build a large ship, similar to a nuclear submarine. Since they are designed to be compact, somewhat, and long time away from other human contact, just take that idea and expanded it to a spaceship.

there is still the problem of the long space missions that leave your body like a puddle

there is still the problem of the long space missions that leave your body like a puddle
Muscular atrophy only sets in if there is no way of excersising. Just include an excersise room and make it mandatory of an hour every 24 hours or somesuch.

Have a rotating section, that'll provide the gravity needed to make exercise in space much more effective.

I would probly use fusion powered engines as the H3 resources on the moon (needed for fusion) is large unlike on Earth it would also be a way to make a quick buck selling it to other nations

Muscular atrophy only sets in if there is no way of excersising. Just include an excersise room and make it mandatory of an hour every 24 hours or somesuch.

its not muscle's that are the problem its bones they lose the marrow which builds up in your arteries leading to similar problems to cholesterol build up and various bone diseases

But the rotating section would solve this :)

I would probly use fusion powered engines as the H3 resources on the moon (needed for fusion) is large unlike on Earth it would also be a way to make a quick buck selling it to other nations

I do suggest that you look into something like Orion. Not necessarily for this mission, but as something to go into in the future. With this kind of system, you could make it to Mars in about 120 or so days.

Orion?

Orion?

It was this old project in the late 50's and mid 60's that involved craft that would use nuclear explosions to propel them. They didn't have to be extremely large and dangerous explosions, because in space, anything can go really fast even with little thrust if you simply push long enough.

Aside from the obvious risk of radiation, (Note, the bombs were supposed to be detonated about 120 KM behind the ship, where the force of the blast reaching the vessel would push against this large panel at the back of the ship.) one of the beauties of the system was that the larger you made the ship, the more efficient the whole engine became, allowing you to make very large ships that could not only contain a lot of passengers and cargo, but also one that becomes more efficient as you make the ship larger.

Of course, since you decided to go with the fusion design, this other one might seem a little, dangerous in comparison. But it does have it's advantages.


EDIT: A modern version of the thing is called the EPPP, for External Pulsed Plasma Propulsion.

speed isn't really a problem in space as a small rocket can do the same with enough time the main problem's comes from hitting tiny objects and going fast enough to go back in time

speed isn't really a problem in space as a small rocket can do the same with enough time the main problem's comes from hitting tiny objects and going fast enough to go back in time

Hence, this line in my previous post:

"...because in space, anything can go really fast even with little thrust if you simply push long enough..."

^_^

You'll need a rotating section in the ship (the majority of the crew areas should rotate except for long term storage, observation, communications, and the cockpit).

You'll need to engineer a landing craft for touching down on Mars. Start with something like the Lunar lander and expand. Mars has more gravity than the moon, and you'll want to take more down there and bring more back up.

Lastly, how are you going to build this thing? Not with a space shuttle type thing I hope, unless you have a century to wait. You'll need an orbital dock for building it, or a really really long time. That dock could be a basic testbed for the technologies you'll need pertaining to rotating sections, long term crews, etc.

(The reasoning behind an orbital dock is it makes repeat missions a piece of cake)

You'll need a rotating section in the ship (the majority of the crew areas should rotate except for long term storage, observation, communications, and the cockpit).

You'll need to engineer a landing craft for touching down on Mars. Start with something like the Lunar lander and expand. Mars has more gravity than the moon, and you'll want to take more down there and bring more back up.

Lastly, how are you going to build this thing? Not with a space shuttle type thing I hope, unless you have a century to wait. You'll need an orbital dock for building it, or a really really long time. That dock could be a basic testbed for the technologies you'll need pertaining to rotating sections, long term crews, etc.

(The reasoning behind an orbital dock is it makes repeat missions a piece of cake)

Short term Thread Hijack...

NE, are you still interested in continuing the Diplomacy Thread?

Short term Thread Hijack...

NE, are you still interested in continuing the Diplomacy Thread?

You bet. Are you? I know I'm not really being the best other diplomat guy thing being gone for most of the summer, but if you're game, I'm game.

I was just in a serious discussion about the viability of sex in space. And my advice. Since gravity is lacking or rather small, pushing in the ordinary sense, will just launch yourself away from your partner. So, I suggest a brace against a solid object,and an elastic belt.

You bet. Are you? I know I'm not really being the best other diplomat guy thing being gone for most of the summer, but if you're game, I'm game.

Sure. I just kinda need to find the thread again... (>_<)


I was just in a serious discussion about the viability of sex in space. And my advice. Since gravity is lacking or rather small, pushing in the ordinary sense, will just launch yourself away from your partner. So, I suggest a brace against a solid object,and an elastic belt.

Serious eh? :p I guess if you don't have something elastic, you just need a good grip... Eh... O_O .

I was just in a serious discussion about the viability of sex in space. And my advice. Since gravity is lacking or rather small, pushing in the ordinary sense, will just launch yourself away from your partner. So, I suggest a brace against a solid object,and an elastic belt.

1: how in the world can a discussion like that be serious
2: that would be interesting.... strange, but a good fiasco for NASA to sort out. The tabloids will go crazy

1: how in the world can a discussion like that be serious
2: that would be interesting.... strange, but a good fiasco for NASA to sort out. The tabloids will go crazy

Final Fantasy 8 had this...it doesn't seem easy though!

As for actual procreation in space, it isn't really a good idea to 'do it' in a typical sense. It would be more of a holding and not a 'fun' aspect though. Though artificial fertilization and other methods would be easier. Procreation wouldn't be as fun as it would normally be on Earth. If you have artificial gravity it would be unchanged.

Zero-G sex would open a new world of positions that would make Karma Sutra look like a beginners guide to sex.
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Sex in space would no doubt be vastly different then on Earth and wouldn't be enjoyable, so that is why most FT nations would use other methods or artificial gravity for this. Not to mention the artificial gravity has its advantages outside of procreation.

Not to mention the artificial gravity has its advantages outside of procreation.

eww there's something you don't want floating about when you meet an alien

back onto the subject

I think I could use another nations station for docking ect im sure there would be someone (save time and money)

eww there's something you don't want floating about when you meet an alien

back onto the subject

I think I could use another nations station for docking ect im sure there would be someone (save time and money)

Since nations are so secretive about their technology and space operations it doesn't seem likely that you would be able to find this without building one or in the case of an extreme emergency.

Also since there is an international law on no orbital weapons, this does not mean you can shoot down another space station if they don't want you there. Nor does that mean raining down 'space junk' on the Earth hoping it hits the nation who refused to comply.

Since nations are so secretive about their technology and space operations it doesn't seem likely that you would be able to find this without building one or in the case of an extreme emergency.

Also since there is an international law on no orbital weapons, this does not mean you can shoot down another space station if they don't want you there. Nor does that mean raining down 'space junk' on the Earth hoping it hits the nation who refused to comply.

Leafanistan, along with Halberdgardia and McKagan, jointly operate a Space Elevator and an orbiting Asteriod station in Earth orbit. For a 'small' fee you are welcome to use it, but any attempt to attack it will result in a massive retaliatory strike.

OOC: And about the 'serious discussion', where I hang out we are mature enough to handle such discussions without bad jokes, though there were a few gems out there. But I suggest doing said sex in space in the shower, where it can be cleaned rapidly in the rotating sectionk. God knows you don't want 'that' to fly into you in orbit.

Leafanistan, along with Halberdgardia and McKagan, jointly operate a Space Elevator and an orbiting Asteriod station in Earth orbit. For a 'small' fee you are welcome to use it, but any attempt to attack it will result in a massive retaliatory strike.

OOC: And about the 'serious discussion', where I hang out we are mature enough to handle such discussions without bad jokes, though there were a few gems out there. But I suggest doing said sex in space in the shower, where it can be cleaned rapidly in the rotating sectionk. God knows you don't want 'that' to fly into you in orbit.

I didn't make a joke of it, because the fact is, such problems ARE addressed by long term space missions and colonizing the stars. Though I was refering to artificial gravity as a muscle, movement, storage, and body normalcy. Zero gravity makes muscles weak because less force is needed to have the same task be done. Storage for the less material to tie it down, it will naturally stay down with gravity. Movement is easier because you have a solid footing to push off of. The human body is also much more used to the gravity of Earth and less change will occur during transfer.

I didn't make a joke of it, because the fact is, such problems ARE addressed by long term space missions and colonizing the stars. Though I was refering to artificial gravity as a muscle, movement, storage, and body normalcy. Zero gravity makes muscles weak because less force is needed to have the same task be done. Storage for the less material to tie it down, it will naturally stay down with gravity. Movement is easier because you have a solid footing to push off of. The human body is also much more used to the gravity of Earth and less change will occur during transfer.

But seriously, during that long space mission, you have to do something right? Get a TV on the spaceship and make Channel 2 pr0n.

But seriously, during that long space mission, you have to do something right? Get a TV on the spaceship and make Channel 2 pr0n.

Wonderful comment...but I guess that would find a suitable market on Earth. Hey even might find a way to profit off that venture, like they did with the space pen.

Wonderful comment...but I guess that would find a suitable market on Earth. Hey even might find a way to profit off that venture, like they did with the space pen.

hmmmm...space p0rn

launch date will be most likely Saturday due to the sheer stuff I have to do if anyone has anything to add/offer post now

oh yes and the real reason for this message BUMP!