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Rifle: M-AR25
Classification: Infantry Assualt Rifle
Units: 1,000 OR As many as needed...
Cost: $2 million
Extra Information:
The M-AR25 fires 6.23mm rounds of Kinetic Energy projectiles.
The rounds are made of depleted Uranium.
The 6.23mm gun shoots 450 rpm (Fully-automatic); and 900 rpm (burst). It also has a range of 2.460km.

OOC:

Woah woah woah...

6 million per gun, or 6000 per gun and only in lots of 1000?

...and even then, 6000 per gun seems a bit expensive o.o;

OOC:

No its 6,000,000 per Unit (1000)
That was a typo, I meant 2 :rolleyes:

Okay, two thousand per gun. I assume that also includes the ammo?

...because I could decently equip my soldiers for 2000 bucks per... not just arm 'em.

Yeah, 700 clips for each gun.

Yeah, 700 clips for each gun.
Plus we will send designs how to make the bullets and the clips.

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Rifle: M-A223 Why 223? It doesn't fire .223 calibre. Why have you called it this?
Classification: Infantry Assualt Rifle
Units: 1,000 Let the customer choose, sometimes people want less than this.
Cost: $6 million 6,000 USD for an assault rifle is good on the civilian market, but mass-production and cheaper weapons are favoured by governments. You can make an AK47 for less than $5 in Russia.
Extra Information:
The M-AA23 fires 6.23mm rounds of Kinetic Energy projectiles. As this is your own round, can you give a velocity? Also, you usually include the length of the case with the bullet. Example: 5.56x45mm - The bullet is 5.56mm wide, and the casing is 45mm long.
The rounds are made of depleted Uranium newly found in Urcea. No, this is illegal. The Geneva convention prohibits certain explosive or depleted uranium payloads from being used in small arms.
The 6.23mm gun shoots 45 rpm (Fully-automatic); and 90 rpm (burst). It also has a range of 14,654 feet. Best to keep things in meters, really. 45rpm? An AK fires at 700. Check up on other weapons before designing yours. Also, that 90rpm burst should be more like 900rpm. Burst is always faster than full auto capability.

OOC: Meditate upon this, my Padawan.

OOC: I just used someone else's template for it. RPM's sounded good enough. And I changed alot.

ooc: Not every NS nation follows the Geneva Convention, so Urcea can make bullets out of it as long as he/she doesn't mind being frowned on by nations who do follow it.

OOC: Exactly. The Geneva Convention doesnt actually exist in NS. Some nations choose to follow it anyway, but it's a choice. Even in real life, you actually have to sign the Geneva Convention before you are bound by it. It's just that most nations in real life do.

OOC: Hey, Urcea, I converted your 6.23mm round to inches, and got 0.25 - this being .25 calibre. I (Personally) would name the rifle the M-A25 (Model - Assault .25 cal, or something. AR-25 (Assault Rifle .25 cal), M-AR25 (Model - Assault Rifle .25 cal). I dunno. Just so you know.

Blah, blah, blah.

OOC: Meh.

The commonwealth of would like to buy 100,000 M-AR25

200 Mill

Money will be wired on confirmation

OOC: Ill have DU bullets if I want :eek:

And thanks for the name

Thank you, we are shipping the weapons now. 100,000 M-AR25's.....Confirmation...Confirmed. Shipping.........

OOC: Exactly. The Geneva Convention doesnt actually exist in NS. Some nations choose to follow it anyway, but it's a choice. Even in real life, you actually have to sign the Geneva Convention before you are bound by it. It's just that most nations in real life do.

1) The Hague Conventions are the most relevants agreements.

2) Countries which do not abide by the GC or HC, should not expect countries which have signed up to the convention to follow it.

An interesting design.

As usual in past business operations, Anagonia looks for quality and style. This weapon shows style. However, I can tell that there is some "positive" critisism about this weapon, and I wonder if information may or may not have been corrected or in need of it.

Nevertheless, I am willing to purchase private construction rights for the weapon, meaning that I cannot construct it for another Nation. If you accept this, I would be willing to pay $20 Million (Price negotiable) and only ask you give me your copyright for your items. (I use proboards to store my weapon, vehicle, and ship information.

You can view my own designs in ships and past weapons purchase at:
http://hawk.proboards1.com

Done. But of course we are still selling our own to other nations.

Done. But of course we are still selling our own to other nations.

Of course, we ask that you continue your business with the international community.

All that is required now is a copyright by your making.

OOC:Is my order confirmed?

"It also has a range of 14,654 Feet."

Almost four and a half kilometres? Two and three-quarter miles? What is it, a mortar? Am I wrong for being more than skeptical about this?

OOC: Also, the range could do with tuning down a bit. It's currently 4.467km! Try 2460', with an effective range of more like 1312'. Respectively, those are a shade under 750m, and a shade under 400m.

IC:
To: Urcea
From: UNIverseVERSE
Subject: M-A025 Assault Rifle

Sirs. Your new M-A025 Assault rifle has come to our attention, and we wish
to order one thousand (1000) units for testing and evaluation. Wired with
this message are one million (1,000,000) USD, with the remaining one
million (1,000,000) wired upon confirmation.

Thank you.

1) The Hague Conventions are the most relevants agreements.
Whatever. I only mentioned Geneva because the other person mentioned it. The principle of my post remains the same - RL agreements dont exist in NS and even if they did, you still have to sign them to be bound by them.

2) Countries which do not abide by the GC or HC, should not expect countries which have signed up to the convention to follow it.
Errr... I never said they should?

EDIT: Although logically and legally they should, as I am not aware of any clause in either agreement which states that states can opt out if facing another state which hasnt signed the relevant agreement. If you dont want to be bound by something - dont sign it.

"It also has a range of 14,654 Feet."

Almost four and a half kilometres? Two and three-quarter miles? What is it, a mortar? Am I wrong for being more than skeptical about this?

OOC: Good point. I missed that. Most modern rifles (SA80, M4A1, AK105), have an effective range of around 450 metres, mostly due to the fact that 5.56x45mm ammo loses velocity quickly. I don't know how this will affect the 6.23, but I imagine that the M-AR25 would be around 550m.

Recieved. Sending 1,000 rifles.

Copyright, confirmed

OOC: Is that how I should have done it?

And yes your order is confirmed

Copyright, confirmed

OOC: Is that how I should have done it?

And yes your order is confirmed

OOC:

Just copy and paste this:

©(your-nations-name-here) Industries (or something interesting)

OOC: The more I think about it and ask around some of the more knowledgable people I know on IRC, the more it's looking a little pointless to use Depleated Uranium in a assault rifle round... assuming we are talking about top end modern technology here, the problem is that in order to actually get the bullet able to fire at any decent range you would need most of the round to be explosive... meaning the actual bullet would be much smaller. Meanwhile the additional cost of making DU rounds over the standard rounds would make for very expensive ammo.

Personally, I wouldn't bother with DU rounds on something as small as an assault rifle round... it would go through armour a bit better but it wouldn't be very cost affective as the ammunition makes it too expensive really. Furthermore, the weight of the round and the amount of charge required to fire it would mean it's going to have a terrible recoil and it could make the gun much less reliable.

DU sounds cool though, but thats it really.

OOC: The more I think about it and ask around some of the more knowledgable people I know on IRC, the more it's looking a little pointless to use Depleated Uranium in a assault rifle round... assuming we are talking about top end modern technology here, the problem is that in order to actually get the bullet able to fire at any decent range you would need most of the round to be explosive... meaning the actual bullet would be much smaller. Meanwhile the additional cost of making DU rounds over the standard rounds would make for very expensive ammo.

Personally, I wouldn't bother with DU rounds on something as small as an assault rifle round... it would go through armour a bit better but it wouldn't be very cost affective as the ammunition makes it too expensive really. Furthermore, the weight of the round and the amount of charge required to fire it would mean it's going to have a terrible recoil and it could make the gun much less reliable.

DU sounds cool though, but thats it really.

(OOC:)

::COUGHS:: Yep, sure is pointless....

*continues modifying weapon for his space-borne race*

Yep....

OOC: Urcea Industries?

IC: Urcea Industries

OOC: Urcea Industries?

IC: Urcea Industries

OOC: Urcea Heavy Industries :D

The Geneva Convention is highly overrated. Most countries who have signed it do not abide by it anyways. It also restrictes certain actions like information gathering when it comes to P.O.W's. Interogation is a very viable means of information gathering. whether it is mental physical or etc. However physical interagation rarely works. it is far better to do mental interogation. Anyways, when it comes to small arms ammunition, I think it is up to the individual nation to use whatever ammunition that it deems appropiatte regardless of what other nations think.

OOC:

You could have done anything else. But, that works.

(Also another big bump)

10,000 of these to be deliverd to Thergo ASAP. The 5th Batallion specializes in new weapons. So deliver it to their base in Warwick, Thrego.

Roger. Sending. Awaiting payment.

We want to know if we have the rights to produce models of our own. These are top-of-the line and we are in desperate need of an overhaul of our military.

I will sell you the rights. My price is $5,000,000, Take it or leave it.