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Take this poll and post. Maybe this will give us all a better perspective on international politics.

liberal, its the better way

The Holy Empire is a mixed nation. Below is information about the government.

Government Makeup:

Emporer: Liberal

Parlimentary Body of 6000
Conservative: 2451
Liberal: 1618
Independant: 1931

Hoth Manufacturing, in their governing style over the Hoth system, is economically extremely conservative but socially quite liberal.

Both. Now go learn what those words mean and make a proper poll.

Both. Now go learn what those words mean and make a proper poll.

I second that.

Both. Now go learn what those words mean and make a proper poll.

Look, this is an extreame generalization, I know. But at least humor me. I undestand that there are many many dimensions to the question of political, social, and economic positions and ideas. But look at it in terms of a traditional left-right linear political scale.

When I voted conservative, I thought you meant the country I lived in (US). MY NS Nation Kingdom of Mush-rooms is liberal. Sorry for the mistake :eek:

My nation is liberal. But i've only started 6 hours ago, so who knows. Wonder how my first legislation will turn out.

Look, this is an extreame generalization, I know. But at least humor me. I undestand that there are many many dimensions to the question of political, social, and economic positions and ideas. But look at it in terms of a traditional left-right linear political scale.


OOC You are aware that this "traditional" aspect is only traditional in the US, right?

My nation is neither, and I don't know what your "independant" type is, since we have several different parties who are in compitition for the Civil Senate, and the Dictator is unaffiliated, rather conforming to what is needed or wished by the people. Rather then being stuck to some ideology.

When I voted conservative, I thought you meant the country I lived in (US). MY NS Nation Kingdom of Mush-rooms is liberal. Sorry for the mistake :eek:

Thats ok. Just to clarify, its your NS nation, not your real home country.

OOC You are aware that this "traditional" aspect is only traditional in the US, right?


Thats an interesting point I hadn't considered. Maybe it would be more accurate to ask weather your nation holds more socialistic ideas('liberal') or more capitalistic ideas('conservative') or a fair balance between the two('independent').

If I would have known that people were going to split hairs over technical details, I wouldn't have bothered with this poll.

Look, this is an extreame generalization, I know. But at least humor me. I undestand that there are many many dimensions to the question of political, social, and economic positions and ideas. But look at it in terms of a traditional left-right linear political scale.

It's not an extreme generalisation, it's just a stupid one. Conservative means not liking change. Liberal means being in favour of individual freedoms. If a nation has individual freedoms, and has no plans to change that, then it is both conservative and liberal.
Conservative and Liberal are not opposites, which you seem to think they are.

It's not an extreme generalisation, it's just a stupid one. Conservative means not liking change. Liberal means being in favour of individual freedoms. If a nation has individual freedoms, and has no plans to change that, then it is both conservative and liberal.
Conservative and Liberal are not opposites, which you seem to think they are.

That has to be one of the most uneducated statements I've ever seen. Conservative DOES NOT mean not liking change nessesarily, more so that we believe in economic freedom over social justice and we'd like to see the system reformed before its changed entirely. Liberal means social justice over economic freedom and often times it means changing the entire system. At least thats the American perspective. From your spelling your obviously not from America, but thats what I was refering to. It is idiotic to say "If a nation has individual freedoms, and has no plans to change that, then it is both conservative and liberal" because many 'conservative' nations have individual freedoms, the US beeing a prime example, and may not have the intent to change that policy.(Which makes no sense anyway, you are saying that a liberal society with individual freedom would change that, ultimatly meaning the reduction of individual freedom, which is contrary to your lame definition)
As far as beeing opposites, they are oppisite in the sense that Conservatives favor economic freedom over individual freedom, and liberals prefer individual freedom over economic freedom. Social justice versus economic freedom, not unwilingness to change versus individual freedom.

I see why you think the way you do. You obviously have an enormous misconception on what conservatism is. AND PLEASE do NOT give me some text-book defintion of liberal or conservative. I am speaking generally of the policy those movements have taken on, and specifically in America.

Ahem....a few definitions for you all.

con·ser·va·tive ( P ) Pronunciation Key (kn-sûrv-tv)
adj.
Favoring traditional views and values; tending to oppose change.
Traditional or restrained in style: a conservative dark suit.
Moderate; cautious: a conservative estimate.

Of or relating to the political philosophy of conservatism.
Belonging to a conservative party, group, or movement.
Conservative Of or belonging to the Conservative Party in the United Kingdom or the Progressive Conservative Party in Canada.
Conservative Of or adhering to Conservative Judaism.
Tending to conserve; preservative: the conservative use of natural resources

lib·er·al ( P ) Pronunciation Key (lbr-l, lbrl)
adj.

Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.
Of, relating to, or characteristic of liberalism.
Liberal Of, designating, or characteristic of a political party founded on or associated with principles of social and political liberalism, especially in Great Britain, Canada, and the United States.

Tending to give freely; generous: a liberal benefactor.
Generous in amount; ample: a liberal serving of potatoes.
Not strict or literal; loose or approximate: a liberal translation.
Of, relating to, or based on the traditional arts and sciences of a college or university curriculum: a liberal education.

Archaic. Permissible or appropriate for a person of free birth; befitting a lady or gentleman.
Obsolete. Morally unrestrained; licentious

My nation’s government adheres to an archaic, restrictive religion that rejects all art, music and poetry as excessive and unnecessary. They are extremely opposed to societal change that will not result in increased profit for the corporations that act as an advisory board to the civil government. Conservative it is.

I really hate have to repeat myself, but again, the definition of conservative in the context of this poll is that of the American conservative and refers more specifically to economic freedom versus social justice. I do not believe that Dictionary.com is an adequete resource to accuratly define what 'liberal' or 'conservative' is.

Go ahead. Guess what I am. ;)

Our policies tend to be conservative and we enforce them very conservatively, but in some cases we're liberal about it and the way we change can also be described as Liberal, so you could say we're Purple.

We're mostly an Independent type of country. We have socialistic ideas about our civil rights and political freedoms, yet we're capitalistic with our economy.

My nations goverment is mostly conservative but surprisingly secular about it. They support capitilism yet ban the use of guns. They encourage gambling yet are completely neutral(meaning as long as noone threatens the goverment) on the issue of religion.

We're mostly an Independent type of country. We have socialistic ideas about our civil rights and political freedoms, yet we're capitalistic with our economy.

It's pretty much the same here. Our government tends to be dominated by moderate and conservative parties, but the Libertarian Party is still strong. Generally, we're rather conservative and somewhat isolationist, but we do sometimes accept liberal policies and become interventionist (not that those two are necessarily connected, but I just wanted to point out the opposite spectrums we go between).

Other. Far-left Socialists.

The two major parties are Conservatives (pro big business and pro government interference), and Libertarians (small government). The Presidency and Senate Majority are both Libertarian.

The Conservative Union, that would be 'capitalism', not 'conservatism', and 'socialism', not 'liberalism', as you are defining it.

Say the science authorities decided that everything that can be invented has.

That would be conservative.

If a socialist party came into power and failed to change anything for fear of losing power, it is conservative.

If a traditionalist party came into power and radically changed society, it would be liberal.

Anyway, my nation is logically liberal, as in changing it unless there's a good reason behind the old method.

Neither. I like to consider Rammsteinburg to be mostly libertarian-socialist, as I am.

The Conservative Union, that would be 'capitalism', not 'conservatism', and 'socialism', not 'liberalism', as you are defining it.

Say the science authorities decided that everything that can be invented has.

That would be conservative.

If a socialist party came into power and failed to change anything for fear of losing power, it is conservative.

If a traditionalist party came into power and radically changed society, it would be liberal.

Anyway, my nation is logically liberal, as in changing it unless there's a good reason behind the old method.

Well, the modern day American conservative movement is deeply rooted in capitalism and preservation of traditional values. Ideologically, a socialist is always liberal, a traditionalist is always a conservative. George Bush, for instance(don't crucify me for relating to the real world) is a Republican, a 'conservative', but his policy on medicare and social security is to change the system. He is still ideologically conservative, but practically and realistically speaking, is a progressive with regards to those programs. Idealism versus realism. A socialist party is always ideologically liberal, but may conduct themselves in a conservative manner. There are liberals and conservatives, and progressives and traditionalists in both of those groups. Bush is a conservative progressive(strictly speaking that is an oxymoron, but in the context of the actual political movement, is a real term) while Regan was a conservative traditionalist.