NationStates Jolt Archive

PREAMBLE

WE THE PEOPLES OF THE ASIA-PACIFIC RIM ALLIANCE DETERMINED
to save succeeding generations from the scourge of war
to reaffirm faith in fundamental human rights, in the dignity and worth of the human person, in the equal rights of men and women and of nations large and small, and

to establish conditions under which justice and respect for the obligations arising from treaties and other sources of international law can be maintained, and

to promote social progress and better standards of life in larger freedom,



AND FOR THESE ENDS
to practice tolerance and live together in peace with one another as good neighbours, and

to unite our strength to maintain international peace and security, and

"to ensure, by the acceptance of principles and the institution of methods, that armed force shall not be used, except with just cause"


to employ international machinery for the promotion of the economic and social advancement of all peoples,


HAVE RESOLVED TO COMBINE OUR EFFORTS TO ACCOMPLISH THESE AIMS
Accordingly, our respective Governments, through representatives assembled in the city of Beijing, who have exhibited their full powers found to be in good and due form, have agreed to the present Charter of the Asia-Pacific Rim Alliance and do hereby establish an international organization to be known as the The Asia-Pacific Rim Alliance.

The Purposes of the The Asia-Pacific Rim Alliance are:

To maintain international peace and security, and to that end: to take effective collective measures for the prevention and removal of threats to the peace, and for the suppression of acts of aggression or other breaches of the peace, and to bring about by peaceful means, and in conformity with the principles of justice and international law, adjustment or settlement of international disputes or situations which might lead to a breach of the peace;

To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples, and to take other appropriate measures to strengthen universal peace;

To achieve international co-operation in solving international problems of an economic, social, cultural, or humanitarian character, and in promoting and encouraging respect for human rights and for fundamental freedoms for all without distinction as to race, sex, language, or religion; and

To be a centre for harmonizing the actions of nations in the attainment of these common ends.

The Organization is based on the principle of the sovereign equality of all its Members.

All Members, in order to ensure to all of them the rights and benefits resulting from membership, shall fulfill in good faith the obligations assumed by them in accordance with the present Charter.

All Members shall settle their international disputes by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security, and justice, are not endangered.

All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the Asia-Pacific Rim Alliance.

All Members shall give the Asia-Pacific Rim Alliance every assistance in any action it takes in accordance with the present Charter, and shall refrain from giving assistance to any state against which the The Asia-Pacific Rim Alliance is taking preventive or enforcement action.

The Organization shall ensure that states which are not Members of the The Asia-Pacific Rim Alliance act in accordance with these Principles so far as may be necessary for the maintenance of international peace and security.

1. Membership in the Asia-Pacific Rim Alliance is open to all other peace-loving states which accept the obligations contained in the present Charter and, in the judgment of the Organization, are able and willing to carry out these obligations.
2. The admission of any such state to membership in the Asia-Pacific Rim Alliance will be effected by a decision of the General Assembly upon the recommendation of the Security Council.
3. A Member of the Asia-Pacific Rim Alliance against which preventive or enforcement action has been taken by the Security Council may be suspended from the exercise of the rights and privileges of membership by the General Assembly 4. upon the recommendation of the Security Council. The exercise of these rights and privileges may be restored by the Security Council.
A Member of the Asia-Pacific Rim Alliance which has persistently violated the Principles contained in the present Charter may be expelled from the Organization by the General Assembly upon the recommendation of the Security Council.



The Asia-Pacific Rim Alliance shall place no restrictions on the eligibility of men and women to participate in any capacity and under conditions of equality in its principal and subsidiary organs.

There are established as the principal organs of the Asia-Pacific Rim Alliance:

General Assembly - The General Assembly is the largest body containing all member nations and special membership nations. Only the official member nations may vote in resolutions.

All Nations are welcomed to join. A Formal Invitation has been sent to Dra-Pol.

Security Council - This Council is made up of several nations who will hold veto power to defeat resolutions passed by the Gneral Assembly. These nations will also need to contribute forces in any open conflict. All listed nations are permanent members:

Japan, Hudecia, and Quintonnia have all been invited to join as permanent members and to be a part of the Security Council.

Economic and Social Council - This council will be made up of the Security Council members to moniter and help promote better economic prosperity in the Asia-Pacific Rim Region.

International Court of Justice - The International Court of Justice is composed of the Security Council, and three nominated member nations. These member nations will help manage a judicial oderder in maintaining an unbias and equal trial against a nation, or nations accused of breaking international and human rights laws.










General Assembly:
[Bolivia] Ghosts of the Incans - Representitive Mr. Ronald Dash

Security Council Members:
[China] Xiaguo, Sino, Taiwan - Representitive Mrs. Xu Chu Yun
[Spyr] - Spyr - Representitive Hizheng Suifa
[Hudecia] Canada - To Be Named
[Japan] Dai Nippon Goku - Foreign Affairs Minister, Mr.Shimizu Yuki
[Quintonnia Drapol] United States of America - To Be Named

In a late-night meeting of the Strainist Party Central Committee, the Chinese proposal for the Alliance recieves ratification after a nod from the daisu. As hours progress, individual Party governments begin the processes of implementation within their states.

"In the recent past, a great demon rose up over the face of the world... the demon of Bonstock. This demon slaughtered the innocent without thought, siezed all it could grasp without provocation. And, seeing that Humanity itself could not let this be, the world rose up and STRUCK IT DOWN!

Now, another demon rears is head, the demon of the Holy League... more distant from us, perhaps for now, but no different in its depredations. It to is a blight, tearing the world asunder, destroying all vestiges of our common Humanity.

Amongst us today are our comrades in Lyong who faced the outward imperialism of Bonstock, and our comrades in Sujava who were bound as slaves within it. They know the horrors of war, for they have been forged in its fires. Together, they know both the suffering brought by it, and the neccessity for it... they know the greater suffering left in the wake of a demon which writhes unchecked.

Together, we are an august body, which takes up this great burden because we know, as all members of Humanity know within themselves, that it must be done."

-exerpt of an address from Shiwen-daisu to the Congress of the Strainist Party. The address was followed by the order for full mobilization of the Strainist Revolutionary Army, and a call for volunteers.

While still embroiled in the fiery turmoil of her birth, an ambassador from Bolivia expresses the Socialist Republic's interest in formal membership of the Asia-Pacific Rim Alliance. Ronald Dash, the Bolivian ambassador to China, will also become Bolivia's representative in the Asia Pacific Rim Alliance should Bolivia be accepted.

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APRA Seal

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The Old Xiannese Military Committee Meeting Hall had already been transformed to the new Asia-Pacific Rim Headquarters. Hinting that the Chinese have already made a long term committment on the Alliance.

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The Grand meeting Hall was once a Palace constructed for the Xiannese Monarchs and were shortly given to the government by the Imperial Family.

The Quinntonians send a representative, in the form of Ambassador Bishop Robert Schultz IV. Before he even gets there, though the Quinntonian givernment expresses that the charter as it is written is unacceptable, as Quinntonia would be giving up major soveriegnty to a foriegn body, and this begs the question, after China backs out so abruptly of an alliance with Russia, how could we trust that they would not back out when they disagreed with something Quinntonia felt they needed to do.
That being said, in principle, Quinntonia agrees that the Holy League actions in Africa are unacceptable.

WWJD
Amen.

China will not and can not accept Russia's aggresive war policies. If Quintonnia seeks such aggresive policies in making war with nations that can't even defend for themselves, then China does not need aggressors on their side. The Chater can be changed and China hope Quintonnia can give some thought in it.

China will not and can not accept Russia's aggresive war policies. If Quintonnia seeks such aggresive policies in making war with nations that can't even defend for themselves, then China does not need aggressors on their side. The Chater can be changed and China hope Quintonnia can give some thought in it.


The Quinntonian government is a little surprised at this attitude, and still awaits an answer to its question. The next would be, what is being implied with the comment that, "IF Quintonnia seeks such aggresive policies in making war with nations that can't even defend for themselves,"? Quinntonia has not invaded a foriegn nation since the second world war. And as stated, we oppose the Holy League actions in Africa.

WE will post specific suggestions for amendments when these concerns are firt met.

WWJD
Amen.

The Tsar is genuinely surprised as to why China would care about what was happening halfway around the world to people that they don't know or even have diplomatic relations with. He requests that he be able to send a diplomat to hear the conserns of the Chinese people, for whom he has nothing but respect, considering them brothers under the historical persecution at the hands of the Mongols. But, then that was another time. He is also genuinely surprised that no one bothered to attempt a diplomatic solution before starting to form alliances to make war first. He is completely willing to talk.

Tsar Wingert I.

And because Quintonnia does not have the qualities of an agressor nation, then Quintonnia is fit to help those around them. China does not wish to build such a Union with the many nations just so that we can head to war. China does not wish to make friends with Aggresor nations. Obviously, this war betwen the Baltic nations and Russia.We just don't any of it.

Mongolia is now a Special Administrative region of China. The Estenlands are welcomed to send diplomats to Beijing. What China wants, is a complete halt in the war with the Baltic Nations.

The Japanese government will be represented by Foreign Minister Shimizu Yuki, who is already in Beijing following the Meeting of the Two Emperors; Emperor Shinseiki and Tian Yao have returned to Tokyo to resume Imperial Household duties.

The Japanese government has high hopes for the Asia-Pacific Rim Alliance now that Quinntonia is attending the conference. As far as the Russian situation is concerned, the Japanese populace is growing more vocal in their opposition to the Baltic campaign; the growing belief is that Russia could have brought about a peaceful solution to the situation long ago.

TAG

OOC: What mischief are we up to here?

OOC:Liu, if you want to help out some nations, Northern Africa is being invaded by a bunch of European Monarchies.

-Hudecia-

In principle Hudecia agrees with the idea of forming a consensus in the Pacific Rim nations to further international cooperation and peace.

It is however wary that it would be forced to surrender some part of its autonomy to the dictats of other nations should it join. For the time being however, President Christine Lau is willing to steam ahead on the issue and see where the train stops.

OOC:Liu, if you want to help out some nations, Northern Africa is being invaded by a bunch of European Monarchies.

OOC: I stand neutral in that issue. I hardly have the time to play NS.

President Christine Lau is willing to steam ahead on the issue and see where the train stops.

OOC: I didn't know Hudecia's leader has the same surname as Gen. Liu.

OOC: just elected a new president... Christine Lau is a HBC (Hudecian born Chinese)

Chancellor Yeh will attend the preliminary conference to kick off the new Asia-Pacific Alliance.

The grand halls of the Asia-Pacific Alliance gave a sense of might to all the attending diplomats.

Chancellor Yeh has also advised the Alliance to invite East Islandia as a Security council member nation due to the possibility of Hudecia and Quintonnia dropping out for the security council bid.


The attending representatives will arrive at the APRA Ballroom where they will wait for the opening of the conference.

Hudecia's President Christine Lau will be in attendance for at least part of the discussions while Foreign Minister Widjaja will be there for the entire event.

Russia flatly refuses to recognize the Asia-Pacific Rim Alliance. It rebukes the Chinese for calling Russia an aggressor nation, remindind them that the Baltics initiated the war with a greedy border land grab and an attack on Russia's military, and that not so long ago Xiaguo was responsible for the blatantly aggressive invasion of Kanendru. Also noted is the fact that...

THE WAR IS OVER! Ahem. An end to major combat operations has been declared, and Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia are now joint protectorates of the Divine Russian Empire and the Estenlands.

The conference has barely started. And Yeh had just taken his seat on the Security Council when a message that Russia had declared the war over arrived at his table. He stood up and gave a short speech to the international representatives.


"Russia does not need to recognise our Alliance. China will not recognise the Baltic Nations as Russian territory, nor the Russian-French governments in the Baltics. I call for all representatives here to call for their governments to not recognise Russia and France's control over the sovereign nations of Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia."

Going on, Yeh asked the representatives of Hudecia and Quintonnia on what changes could be made to favor their respective governments.

OOC:Ouch Liu, then who's going to defend China?

President Lau suggests that the line:

"to ensure, by the acceptance of principles and the institution of methods, that armed force shall not be used, save in the common interest"

in the preamble be changed to

"to ensure, by the acceptance of principles and the institution of methods, that armed force shall not be used, except with just cause"

In order to respect the rights of soveriegn nations to decide to take military action.

With overwhelming support, even from the Chinese representatives, the line was changed to favor the sovereignty of nations.

Hudecia feels that the government can support the current agreement in principle and will join the organization. A key factor in their decision was the willingness of the Xiannese to alter the declaration.

We understand the importance of sovereignty. This organization is about understanding and flexing an extra muscle to help each other out. China will cooperate closely with everyone in order to develope a strong bond between these Pacific Rim Countries.

"One need only look to the remnants of Bonstock, wherein happiness and fredom have replaced imperial brutality due to direct action by moral peoples united in common purpose. Let the tyrannies of the world know the fate in store for those who seek to visit torture and tyrrany upon humanity."

OOC- How is the deletion of Sino going to affect all of this?
WWJD
Amen.

We will try to retrieve Sino's account, on the meantime, we'll have to pretend Liu is still here, he can send orders to _Taiwan or me anytime, and we'll carry out his plans. He'll be back, whther with his old account, or he might get a new one.

Yamani politics is quick to follow Party example, and it can be noted by interested states that North Yaman seems to be more closely following the Strainist Party line. In the past, differences in opinion between Sithin and Mioka'ro might actually have affected Yamani policy. In recent times, especially since the civil turmoil in Drapol, and the political coup in Da'Khiem, Yaman has been careful to show a united front with its more powerful Strainist neighbour.

It is not known whether the High Council finds the idea of an alliance similar to the defunct AA of interest, but it remains obvious that Director Jidoshin is of the same opinion of China in regards to the danger posed by continued European Imperialist action.

Europe is now becoming what is was a few centuries ago. While we strive for cooperation and economic development, they strive for land, in a facade provided with religion.

If we do not act now, we would soon find ourselves surrounded by European colonies.

On the issue of European 'colonialism', Hudecia finds itself lacking words to even attempt to describe its position. Mostly because Hudecia's position on that issue is.. well.. non-existant.

Hudecia, unlike China and other asian powers does not feel threatened by European 'colonialism', rather, it is more concerned about Europe becoming economically dominant and overwhelming that of Hudecia. At least, that is the position of the executive branch.

The always outspoken Prime Minister Bouchard has his own opinion to voice, but trying to make a good first impression, keeps his mouth shut. But in private, he would agree that the Europeans were becoming more and more aggressive, and would annex and destroy the cultures that they come into contact with.

"Just look at what the english did to us francophones... it is only through years of fighting an oppresive government that we have come this far, but eventually separation is the only option." Bouchard would say to whomever would listen.

OOC-I have drawn up some suggestions to the charter, could I get a final draft with the Hudecian ammendments put in so that I can get that posted.

WWJD
Amen.

I have already changed it.

"Just look at a map... Russia now follows exactly in the footsteps of expansion made over a half-century ago by the USSR. Then, the world took notice and shouted defiance. Why today ought we to accept it in silence?"

"But is the Russia of today the same evil that we faced nearly 50 years ago? Or is it a different evil? Or is it something completely benign?" President Lau questioned. "How we approach this situation is important, because sometimes a carrot should be used.. and sometimes a hammer."

"In the Baltic states, Russian forces have joined in the tactics of their Estenlands allies. Those who do not aquiesce to the demands of the occupation are shot without trial... where inhabitants refuse unconditional surrender, their cities are bombed into nothing but ash. Give them a carrot, and they shall turn and shove it up the private orifices of those they have enslaved, just for the enjoyment of their screams."

Yesterday, several bombings in Northern CHina had left hundreds dead, and many more injured. One of the victims is General Liu. He is still missing after several reports of a mysterious disappearance in Nei Mongolia after heading North to direct martial law.

Although Liu is missing, China's military is still under stable control...



Russia has turned into a horrific aggresor nation. What we need to do is impose tariffs on Russia.Although this could do less, military action is still unnecessary in terms of keeping the peace. However, the fall of the Baltics was a result of Russian Imperialism, and the arrogance of our nations, respectfully.

Through the reports of the war in the Baltics, we have learned, that these forces, who fight so brutally have committed war crimes. Some examples are the mass burning of residential housing, and forrests. The trial-less executions, and many independent reports have showed us, that the Russians will reinstall a Tsarist dictatorship. A dictatoship which will expand their territories.

The Holy League is an enemy of China. They are not only adopting Imperialistic tactics, but they are also turning back to the hundred year old ideas of the Roman Empire. Although the ancestral dynasty of Han China had conducted free trade with the Roman Empire, we the descedents of today can only set embargoes, and bitter words toward this wretched League of barbaric nations.

China has already fortified the Northern fronts of Mongolia and Manchuria. Even Xinjiang has experienced a missile net program. China, through these years have been defensive in both issues and conflicts. We will not hesitate to take on the affirmitive offensive actions.

"We also have confirmation of the so-called 'atrocities' going on in the Baltic States and elsewhere. Hudecia does indeed recognize that the Russian Empire and the self-proclaimed 'Holy League' are nothing but tyrants and despots. But on the other hand, responding to this threat with a full-scale war should only be considered once all other means have failed."

"That being said, I hope to visit Vladimir Putin as soon as possible in order to make clear the Hudecian position on his invasion of the Baltic states."

"Today, we could send a half million men charging into Siberia... it would not matter, it would not save the Baltics. Our error as nations has been to allow the Russians to sieze their prize, for now their grasp may be too tight to break.

But we must uphold our economic embargoes against the Holy League and the Divine Russian Empire. And, we must consider other methods that might show the Russians that the cost of humanity's displeasure is greater than the supposed rewards gained by expansion."

(OOC: At present Japan does not have an embargo on Russia.)

Foreign Minister Shimizu interjected.

"Japan is heavily reliant on the Russians at present; their companies have invested heavily in our economy, and we cannot risk badly-needed growth without some sort of compensation. The Japanese people want us to act, but I doubt that they would accept economic downturn as part of said action. At the same time, Emperor Shinseiki in particular worries about possible Russian vengeance past defeats that Japan has handed to them over the decades.

Japan has major concerns about Russian actions, but at present our hands are tied."

PREAMBLE

WE THE PEOPLES OF THE ASIA-PACIFIC RIM ALLIANCE DETERMINED
to save succeeding generations from the scourge of war
to reaffirm faith in fundamental human rights, in the dignity and worth of the human person, in the equal <legal> rights of men and women and of nations large and small, and

to establish conditions under which justice and respect for the obligations arising from treaties and other sources of international law can be maintained, and

to promote social progress and better standards of life in larger freedom,



AND FOR THESE ENDS
to <endevour to> practice tolerance and live together in peace with one another as good neighbours, and

to unite our strength to maintain international peace and security, and

"to ensure, by the acceptance of principles and the institution of methods, that armed force shall not be used, except with just cause"


to employ international machinery for the promotion of the economic and social advancement of all peoples,


HAVE RESOLVED TO COMBINE OUR EFFORTS TO ACCOMPLISH THESE AIMS
Accordingly, our respective Governments, through representatives assembled in the city of Beijing, who have exhibited their full powers found to be in good and due form, have agreed to the present Charter of the Asia-Pacific Rim Alliance and do hereby establish an international organization to be known as the The Asia-Pacific Rim Alliance.

The Purposes of the The Asia-Pacific Rim Alliance are:

To maintain international peace and security, and to that end: to take effective collective measures for the prevention and removal of threats to the peace, and for the suppression of acts of aggression or other breaches of the peace, and to bring about by peaceful means, and in conformity with the principles of justice and international law, adjustment or settlement of international disputes or situations which might lead to a breach of the peace;

To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples, and to take other appropriate measures to strengthen universal peace;

To achieve international co-operation in solving international problems of an economic, social, cultural, or humanitarian character, and in promoting and encouraging respect for human rights and for fundamental freedoms for all without distinction as to race, sex, language, or religion; and

To be a centre for harmonizing the actions of nations in the attainment of these common ends.

The Organization is based on the principle of the sovereign equality of all its Members.

All Members, in order to ensure to all of them the rights and benefits resulting from membership, shall fulfill in good faith the obligations assumed by them in accordance with the present Charter.

All Members shall settle their international disputes by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security, and justice, are not endangered. <whenever possible>

All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the Asia-Pacific Rim Alliance. <whenever possible>

All Members shall give the Asia-Pacific Rim Alliance every assistance <possible> in any <Security Council approved> action it takes in accordance with the present Charter, and shall refrain from giving assistance to any state against which the The Asia-Pacific Rim Alliance is taking preventive or enforcement action. <During approved blockade, embargo or military action>

The Organization shall ensure that states which are not Members of the The Asia-Pacific Rim Alliance act in accordance with these Principles so far as may be necessary for the maintenance of international peace and security. <In security Council approved situations>

1. Membership in the Asia-Pacific Rim Alliance is open to all other peace-loving(?) states which accept the obligations contained in the present Charter and, in the judgment of the Organization, are able and willing to carry out these obligations.
2. The admission of any such state to membership in the Asia-Pacific Rim Alliance will be effected by a decision of the General Assembly upon the recommendation of the Security Council.
3. A Member of the Asia-Pacific Rim Alliance against which preventive or enforcement action has been taken by the Security Council may be suspended from the exercise of the rights and privileges of membership by the General Assembly
4. upon the recommendation of the Security Council. The exercise of these rights and privileges may be restored by the Security Council.
A Member of the Asia-Pacific Rim Alliance which has persistently violated the Principles contained in the present Charter may be expelled from the Organization by the General Assembly upon the recommendation of the Security Council.
<5. The Security Council shall consist of members each having a veto on every action considered by the Alliance.>


The Asia-Pacific Rim Alliance shall place no restrictions on the eligibility of men and women to participate in any capacity and under conditions of equality in its principal and subsidiary organs.

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Each suggestion that I have is outlined in the <--->.


If these changes are accepted, Quinntonia would like to come on board as a member of the Security Council.


WWJD
Amen.

China accepts the changes and recomendations by the Quitnonnians.

China also invests heavily on Japan. China in recent years have been building stronger ties with Japan, and have experienced flourishing trade.China has already abolished tariffs on Japanese textile, agricultural, and health products.


On the topic of Japan's amazing growth, and the heavy reliance on Russia. I think a special package can be formed with contributions of our respective governments to boost Japan's economy.

So far, who has officially decided to jion this alliance? Beacuse as I see it, we are just a group of people talking and negotiating so far, without much action. I would like to first talk about who is on board and who is not, who belongs to which part of the alliances, and then, and only then, should we begin talking about what should be done about Russia and/or the HL.

WWJD
Amen.

"While Spyr is flattered to have recieved a position on the Security Council, we are somewhat nervous that the Quinntonian amendments transform that body from the guiding light of the APRA into its controlling master.

The great strength of the former Azn Alliance was the equality of nations... the organization acted according to the democratic will of its members, and those individual nations who objected were permitted to abstain from participation.

It is our concern that, if the Security Council is overly-authoritative, individual Security Council members may utilize their veto to block the entire APRA from action, even if all other member states support such actions. Perhaps an alternative would be to allow individual abstension from APRA actions for reasons of ethics."

General Assembly:
[Bolivia] Ghosts of the Incans - Representitive Mr. Ronald Dash

Security Council Members:
[China] Xiaguo, Sino, Taiwan - Representitive Mrs. Xu Chu Yun
[Spyr] - To Be Named
[Hudecia] Canada - To Be Named
[Japan] Dai Nippon Goku - Foreign Affairs Minister, Mr.Shimizu Yuki

The appointed representative for Spyr shall be Hizheng Suifa.

"While Spyr is flattered to have recieved a position on the Security Council, we are somewhat nervous that the Quinntonian amendments transform that body from the guiding light of the APRA into its controlling master.

The great strength of the former Azn Alliance was the equality of nations... the organization acted according to the democratic will of its members, and those individual nations who objected were permitted to abstain from participation.

It is our concern that, if the Security Council is overly-authoritative, individual Security Council members may utilize their veto to block the entire APRA from action, even if all other member states support such actions. Perhaps an alternative would be to allow individual abstension from APRA actions for reasons of ethics."


I see and understand your concerns. And because it seems that every nation involved save one is on the Security Council, your concern seems to have more merit. However, saying that any member of the allaince can abstain for any reason that they deem "ethical" on any action, means that the alliance is not so much effective but just a group of people talking about being effective. That would effectively nueter the allaince, and at that piont, one would question the need for it, other thna to come to gether, and agree that we all support the same principles in general that are contained on the charter.
If this is going to be an effective allaince, it needs to have a governing body that allows it to unify many nations. For, if we can just all do our own thing anyways, how is that different from right now.
That being said, Quinntonia sees the need for a unified front when this body makes a decision, however, it cannot be bound to any action that it sees as morally, ethically, or spiritually wrong, and thus requires a veto vote in order to become a member of such a body.

That being said, I noticed my name was not on the Security Council list above. Is there a reason?

WWJD
Amen.

Although Hudecia agrees with the necessity of presenting a 'united front' towards our enemies we cannot endanger an individual nation's independence. If the organization attempts to force or intimidate member nations into making the decision to agree or leave the alliance I fear that the organization would fall apart.

I suggest that the constitution be regarded as a work in progress and that we facilitate a process whereby members can return to the issue and make alterations in a fair and simple method. Until we can see how the alliance really works in a crisis we should err on the side of caution and limit the powers we give to the alliance.

Although Quinntonia is right that this would effectively turn the alliance into more of a place of discussion, for the time being perhaps, that is what is required. As member states become more comfortable in the setting and greater trust is established in the alliance the organization may become much more.

"It bodes ill that, in the same breath, the Quinntonians both state that the option of ethical non-participation will render the Alliance moot, and then demand that they be guaranteed an ethical veto as a requirement for their participation."

All that we are saying is, if the security council would make a unanimous decision to do something, then all members would become unified in their resolve to complete said task. It would be assumed that a crisis would have to be necessarily large in order to unify the disparate members of teh Security Council, and that would be the check against the Security Council wielding some kind of dictatorial power.
Quinntonia asks to be a member of said Security Council because realistically, no matter how one dices it, Quinntonia can arguably claim to be one of the maybe three most militarilly powerful nations in AMW, and thus could not give up their soverigntly and be pressed into using that, and their massive industrial base for something taht they don't agree with, and would have to withdraaw from the alliance at that piont. This is especially because nations like Dra-pol, which have murdered over hundreds of thousands of Quinntonian citisens, has been given an invitation, and China, which seems to regard most treaties as less than binding, is a member.
I don't think that this is asking too much, all things considered.
WWJD
Amen.

Hudecia agrees with the Quinntonian suggestion of requiring a unanimous decision for Security Council decisions. That is essentially giving every Security Council nation a veto on decisions.

Perhaps we should classify unanimous decisions as binding declarations and majority decisions as non-binding recommendations.

Hudecia agrees with the Quinntonian suggestion of requiring a unanimous decision for Security Council decisions. That is essentially giving every Security Council nation a veto on decisions.

Perhaps we should classify unanimous decisions as binding declarations and majority decisions as non-binding recommendations.

I think that this is an excellent clarification. That way, if the Security Council doesn't vote unanimously, those that disagreed would not be required ofany cooperation beyond normal diplomatic ties. However, with a unanimous declaration, all members would be expected to commit fully to said action, without misgiving, which, at present would create the most powerful strategic allaince in the world. However, Quinntonia does ask what good all this talk is if everyone in the alliance is a member of the Security Council anyways.
And, questions are raised as to the status of LRR and BG.
WWJD
Amen.

((Russia turning into a Tsarist dictatorship is completely unknown, even to Putin himself. It's kind of funny, the world decries Putin as a despot, but little do they realize he's the only thing standing between Russia and a totalitarian dictatorship far more dangerous than what Putin has offered...))

The Divine Russian Empire has begun withdrawing its heavy troop concencrations from the Baltics, eventually hoping to leave the region with 30,000 troops for each Baltic state. (As opposed to 100,000) Reconstruction efforts are ratcheted up, and similiar to what happened in Kazakhstan and Lavrageria, massive efforts to win over the populace and modernize the infrastructure is launched.

As to questions of war crimes, the Russian government retorts that the tactics were used to lessen the loss of lives, as the initial methods were only bogging down the invasion and lengthening the war. Also, it states that under the Geneva convention, the majority of Baltic resistance fighters were classified as "illegal combatants." Most of those shot without trial were not resistors, but unpopular and corrupt local leaders that justified the invasion. They charge that the Baltic fighters are guilty of severe war crimes, including falsifying surrender, torture, indiscriminate use of land/naval mines, child soldier use, fighting in civilian uniform, and terrorism. (Front For United Romania)

Roycelandia isn't sure how to respond to this Treaty... arguably it affects us, but at the same time we're not REALLY active in the Pacific, aside from Vanuatu and Franco-Roycelandian Polynesia and our little on-going adventure in the Philippines... ;-)

Hudecia seeks the Security Council's recommendation on the 'illegal Russian invasion of the Baltic states' and what response should be formulated to oppose a similar aggression in the Pacific Rim by the Russian 'empire'.

At this piont we have no Security Council, we do not even have an alliance, no one has even agreed to the charter as posted in any of its three or four forms. WE had better get that worked out before we start debating other issues.
WWJD
Amen.

OOC: Well, most people accepted the first version, and I think that most will have no problems with the final version. I think the important thing is to see how this 'alliance' will respond to an actual event, that way we can decide on the alliance's powers through a 'trial run'.

Political analysts, if they bothered to take notice, would be quite surprised by the very ambigious speeches coming out of North Yaman with regards to the new alliance. Especially of interest would be Yamani political silence in the opinions on Russian Imperialism or the recent party change in Drapoel. Yamani politicians, usually much more vocal than the physical power or force projection of the nation would suppose, have been sticking with Strainist party propoganda and the opinions of the Central Commitee. Gone is the many voices of the Strainist Parliament, which seems to have become more of a voice box of Strainist opinion.

Any close scrutinization of the small asian nation would reveal Yamani Spearguard working much more closely with their Spyran counterparts across the whole Lyong region.

I propose that we get finbalisation on these issues, first, the assumption that everyone involved agrees and them actually posting their agreement are two different things.
Second, I think that we should finalise membership.
This alliance really means little if it does not have the support of LRR and especially BG. I put forward that outside of Russia, the three most powerful and influential nations in AMW are China, BG and Quinntonia. If all three are not members of the alliance, then it becomes very questionable in its integrity.
Perhaps an upper limit on the members of the Security Council, maybe at four. That would allow permanent positions to China, Quinntonia, and BG (hopefully), as well as a rotating member from teh General Assembly.

It just strikes me that if those three nations agree on anything at all, it would have to be worthy of the alliance uniting under them.

What do you all think?

WWJD
Amen.

I might seem a little biased here ;-), but I think Roycelandia is at least as influential as Quinntonia, if not as powerful.

IC, Roycelandia regards themselves as considerably more influential and powerful than the Chinese, but OOC I know this isn't actually the case...

And what about France? Have we sorted out what's happening there yet?

Most Beddgelens, unaware of Quinntonian ambitions, are still under the impression that the Commonwealth's abject disinterest in dealing with authoritarian bodies and bias economies within such an official framework goes without saying. There is absolutely no chance of the Commonwealth taking part in the Asia-Pacific Rim Alliance, and hardly an Igovian has noticed that it is being discussed.

(...In relation to recent points raised, most are actually more interested in what the Roycelandian Empire is up to around the fringes of the Indian Ocean and indeed with keeping one eye on Baghdad than with what China, Russia, and Quinntonia may be doing.)

OOC: Though this may be slightly late....

IC: Upon hearing the recent slander enforced by Asia-Pacific Rim Alliance Members onto the country of Russia when this treaty clearly wishes to enforce peace and unity throughout the world is disgraceful. Furthermore, Thailand being part of the Asia-Pacific Region is apalled we were not automatically sent a invite forcing us to waste our time and resources replying to your call to peace. As such we hearby declare that Thailand will NOT be signing this treaty for reasons stated. Also we are a free peoples who will not be secretly governed by a organisation formed under the guise of 'peace' who will ultimately have a say in all member's political desicions.

OOC: ummm.. Maldaathi... this is a closed RP for members of an RPing group known as A Modern World, if you want to join please speak with Quinntonia but understand that there are some rules.

OOC: Maldaathi was accepted into the AMW group a while ago, he's just been busy recently.

I think it's more likely to have the '3+1' Security Council with BG, Quinntonia and China (maybe even '4+1' if you include Roycelandia); sure it's nice to see Japan regarded so highly, but at present they don't have the influence to deserve a permanent seat.

It is really too bad that BG wouldn't be a part of this. Maybe is we changed the name to Asian Pacific Rim Collective?

As for Royce, I was more speaking about Pacific Rim powers, so don't get upset.LOL!

WWJD
Amen.

[OOC: Bedgellen non-participation really has nothing to do with the alliance itself, but with Igovian ideology, which precludes entering into treaties. Period. Even within the Progressive Bloc, Beth Gellert engages only in non-binding cooperation.

This was partly why I thought Spyr, rather than her larger Indian counterparts, had been offered a seat on the original security council: Even without direct Bedgellen participation, the Indian states would undoubtedly be able to make their opinions known through their smaller comrade, while China would avoid the embarassment of an about-face in relations with the subcontinent by having a historical tributary on the council instead of the Indians.

That, and Spyran presence would have assuaged Drapoel fears that Quinntonia might steamroll the Council against them, but with the Neo-Suloist takeover, I doubt such will have relevance].

General Assembly:
[Bolivia] Ghosts of the Incans - Representitive Mr. Ronald Dash
[Japan] Dai Nippon Goku - Foreign Affairs Minister, Mr.Shimizu Yuki
[Roycelandia] Roycelandia - To Be Named

Security Council Members:
[China] Xiaguo, Sino, Taiwan - Representitive Mrs. Xu Chu Yun
[Spyr] - Spyr - Representitive Hizheng Suifa
[Hudecia] Canada - To Be Named
[Quintonnia Drapol] United States of America - To Be Named

China believes that the amount of security council members are enough, and the options in joining the security council should be closed. Chancellor Yeh has stressed the importance of Sino-Indian relations. Another request was sent to BG, and LRR in a possible membership to the APRA. Joining APRA can increase trade with China, and will allow both China and the Indias to understand each other's positions in current affairs.

Another invitation was sent to Roycelandia. APRA needs to be large, and well bodied if they wish to voice their concerns to the Holy League. Roycelandia's presence in the Pacific is far fetched. China had announced a flourishing trade with Roycelandia, especially since China aquired two new French Islands under a special lease, although China's permanent bases may already hint it's plan to keep these islands.

The ASIA-Pacific Rim Alliance is extended to Asian nations, which allows India to participate.

Countries, not located within the Asia-Pacific Rim region, such as nations in Europe, and Africa may join as guest members, which will have no voting power, although they're free to speak out.

Roycelandia has accepted an invitation to join the Asia-Pacific Rim Alliance, hopefully strengthening ties with other Nations in the Asia-Pacific Region, and counterbalancing the threat of the Holy League.

OOC: You know, I've never really understood the British idea of calling India "Asia", Last time I checked, "Asia" was places like China, Japan, Korea, Vietnam, etc, whilst India was quite clearly "India", or "The Subcontinent"- although that's probably the bloke who's read too many Biggles novels coming out in me... :-P

OOC: Is this thread leading to something..... or is it really just a alliance thread lol.

As the dangerous upbringing of a new threat goes unhindered, our alliance is near completion. During the past months, a civil war had broken out in Dra-Pol, within a few days, the government was defected. China is very skeptical of peace in Asia with such a large threat brewing in Korea.

All the governments being represented here today should have received very detailed reports on the Dra-Polian issue, including dozens of satelite, and imaging reports. A copy has also been provided to everyone here. I request Spyrian Representitive Hizheng Suifa to take the stand and explain to us their government's dealings with Dra-Pol. Spyr is one of Dra-Pol's closest allies, and we hope Spyr can contain the rise of the Dra-Polian threat.



An invitation has been sent to Maldaathi. Although they may have their own reasons for not joining, it is always better to include everyone in the group.

Maldaathi not-so graciously declines your invite. It is a bit late to send us a invite when we have already expressed we had no intention of joining after the insult you payed to us by not sending a invite hmmm?

"In recent months, Spyr has granted asylum to a number of refugees leaving Dra-pol in the wake of internal turmoil. This civil strife has been triggered by growing dissatisfaction with the former Kurosite administration, and the perception that attempts at openess have been snubbed by the international community. Though information from within the CPRD is at best difficult to verify, we are confident that a new government, espousing Neo-Suloist ideology, is now forming. The policies of this government will certainly be far more nationalistic and isolationist than those of the former administration, and may no longer pursue even limited international cooperation. The question of wether the CPRD will sink into silence or be driven to active violence in hope of speeding inevitable Korean re-unification, cannot be answered at this time."

Dr. Don Hindle of Quinntonia (not Quinntonian Dra-pol, that is just the city of Hamhung) rises and asks, "What is this alliance willing to do in the event that Dra-poel aggression should come once again to Quinntonian Dra-pol or South Korea? Will all stand with us to defend freedom and allow the people we have long defended choose their own path? Or will you sit idly by and watch the new Dra-poel regime crucify, execute and torture more thousands?"

WWJD
Amen.


PS-The word you are looking for X, is Dra-poel, not Dra-polian. Just FYI.

OOC: Sweet monkey crap Quinn! Don't forget, simply asking that question could start the war you seek to avoid.
IC:

It is now obvious to any international analysts that a major policy change has occured in the small mountainous nation surrounded by so many larger nationals, namely China, Russia and Spyr. Dr. Don Hindle's comment, under the more radical early years of Yamani Strainism, would have excited much slander and finger pointing from one of the few nations that trades with Da'Khiem. As it stands now, Director Jidoshin doesn't even acknowledge the statement in his most recent address to the Yamani citizenry, focusing instead on co-operation with the Lyong Treaty powers and the greater Universality of Strainist thought.

Hudecian delegate Adrienne Clarkson rose to address the comments by Spyr and Quinntonia.

"The Kurosite Drapoel regime at least seemed to be moving towards a more moderate approach since the stalemate after the first war. I recall that protests in the former capital of Seoul were not crushed brutally, which was at the very least a great relief."

"Should a more nationalistic regime be implanted in Drapol, the results could be dangerous for those inside the nation, but if it follows a more isolationist program, then we would not likely need to fear the new government."

"As for the question if the new Drapol regime attempts to forcibly annex the remainder of the south, it should be noted that the former Kurosite regime did not respond well to pre-emptive action, and I doubt that the new regime, whatever its make-up, would respond better."

"For the time being, such discussions are irrelevant. Korean unification will occur at some point in the future, and the most we can do is attempt to make the process as bloodless as possible."

The final part of the statement would perhaps surprise some members of the APRA as Hudecia had not so openly advocated the 'inevitability' of Korean unification. Should other nations ask for a clarification of the Hudecian position, Adrienne would repeat that it was the Hudecian governments belief that unification under the proper circumstances could be beneficial to both Drapoel and the south.

As for questions if Hudecia would respond militarily to an attack by Drapol on the south, she would refuse to answer 'hypothetical' questions.

Chinese Representitive Mrs. Xu Chu Yun rises and gives China's views on Dra-poel.


"China wishes to have Dra-pol contained. It is always best to destro the seedlinfs to a weed, before ut grows to large to handle. In case of an invasion of the South, China very well open another front. Doing so would be catastrophic. Although, China promises this, Quintonnia's call for assistance during war, will be answered."

"The reality is that the recent shift in the CPRD is the result of an impression, however mistaken, that the world is massed against them. To take overt action based on their internal doctrinal shift will only feed the flames of that impression, and thus ought be avoided by all who favour peace over needless conflict."

Encoded Telegram to Xiaguo

To the dearest of China. In light of recent decisions Thailand wishes to humbley ask you to allow Thailand to join the Asia-Pacific Rim Alliance after being incredibly rude to your peoples and to the members of the alliance when we declined your offer to join.
Yours in friendship Chinnawat Thaksin, Prime Minister of Thailand.

Mumbai doesn't show too terribly much interest in the Asia-Pacific Rim Alliance, partly because Hindustan has historically been apprehensive about joining any binding alliances (famously inviting the non-aligned movement to "go screw yourself"), partly because Hindustan has always considered itself much closer to the Middle East and Africa, and partly in order to show solidarity with Beth Gellert.

Parliament does express support for the alliance, and hopes very much that it will help the nations of Asia and the Pacific avert violence and warfare and engage in a more open exchange of ideas and policies, but remains uninterested about joining.

The Thai government is now a regular member of the Alliance, and will need to send representitives to Beijing.