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MOTHERLANDISM:: A breakdown of Hogsweat :: Work in Progress

Hogsweat
09-07-2005, 21:21
MOTHERLANDISM:: A breakdown of Hogsweat :: Work in Progress
http://www.nationstates.net/images/flags/uploads/hogsweat.jpg

This is not a thread for you to post of how your government thinks i'm a pinko commie stalinist, or whatever bullshit you want to come up with. To be honest i'm pretty fed up of people running around screaming COMMIE I HATE THE COMMIE SCUM because to be honest that's why II is boring. All that exists is one big political barrier and each side calls each other names.

INTRODUCTION
Motherlandism is, to put it quite simply, a form of government whereby the Motherland takes presidence over a God, so to speak. (Note the fatherland can also be used) The Motherland is refered too in the same way that a deity or a king would be. For example, Hogsweatian curse; "Sacred Motherland" In contrast to "Jesus Christ" which both basically mean holy shit that's a BIG gun.
From a dictionary;
A system of government in which the state plans and controls the economy and a single parliament of approximately five thousand individuals, and a single political party holds power, representing the motherland and dictating it's orders over the citizens of the motherland. The motherland, while not being an actual person, is often personified as being great, glorious, without fault, etc. The Motherland is like a deity to the people so highly indoctrinated in Motherlandism. People give their lives for the Motherland, like they do for their religion. There is extreme cases of Nationalism and Patriotism in Motherlandism, although, Motherlandism promotes racial and class equality as "Wherever you were born, in whatever kind of hospital, everyone is a child of the Motherland and is therefore all treated equally and without bias."
Motherlandism is incredibly anti capitalistic and imperialistic, saying that Capitalism "...leeches off the people of the Motherland and the Motherland itself, ripping it apart at its seams while selling it's natural resources to greedy nations to make profit for oneself, and betterment for oneself, not others and the Motherland."
Imperialism "...dictates to capture the Motherland and enslave it and it's people. This MUST not happen, no foreign soldier must step one foot over our sacred borders!"
Motherlandism claims that “[Fascism]… is an evil that must necessarily be eradicated.. Fascism seeks to overwhelm the dictatorship of the people, the people of the Motherland, and replace them with one leader that does not seek to further the betterment of others and the Motherland.”

Motherlandism shows that it is necessary to have a strong military and economy to
“…Protect the Motherland from fascist, capitalist, and imperialist foreign invaders that would wish to separate sacred Motherland from it’s people. It is imperative that the fascist menace that looms over our world is defeated so that the holy soil of our Motherland remains intact forevermore; the only way for this to happen is to have a strong military and an economy that will never drop beyond levels that would cause absolute poverty to the Motherland.”

Motherlandism has several common slogans;
”The Motherland is of utmost importance!”
“Forwards, for the Motherland!”
“Drive the Fascist invader from our Motherland! (wartime only)
The Motherland watches over our endeavours, socialist people be inspired to acts of further economy heroism!” (from a famous propaganda poster)
“The Motherland provides!”
“The Motherland protects!”

Most, if not all, of these represent the need for the Motherland to be protected and it’s standards to be upheld; and also the fact that the Motherland is the one thing that everyone needs, just as much as oxygen and water and food. The Motherland is the living, breathing soul, of the country.

Motherlandism also integrates a harsh judicial system based upon ones actions. The statement that "Everyone is Equal" is not entirely true in Motherlandism; Motherlandism prefers to agree that everyone is born equal and is treated equal until their actions prove so - for example a murderer has proved that he is not worthy of being treated equal because he cannot treat others equally. Incidentally, Murder leads to a instant death sentence. The sentence is mostly commited by shooting or gas chamber.
The highest five sentences, and the only ones that one can be executed for, are listed here in order; 1st being the worst.
1.) Traitor to the Motherland
2.) Murder of a Motherland Citizen
3.) Race, Class, Religious hatred crime
4.) Huge profiteering
5.) Drug dealings

Motherlandism Economy
Motherlandism’s Economic Policy dictates a collective economy where any business employing over fourteen persons over working age. Say a factory employs thirty people, some in management, some in production, and some in distribution, at the end of the week the entire earnings of the factory is put together and distributed equally to all the members of the factory. Although there is a manager of the company, he only directs the company, and receives only as much profit as the worker.
Motherlandism’s trade policies are something similar to free trade, although it rather contradicts itself in that subsidies are constantly handed out to national businesses. Motherlandism is highly anti capitalistic, showing to it’s people that capitalism oppresses them for profit. Capitalists are seen as fat people with big hats that like to be surrounded by whores while the worker is working ten to fourteen hours a day honestly to feed his starving family with just enough bread, while the capitalist dips his loaf in caviar, even if this may not always be the case. There are no official statistics for production, as they are constantly changed, but it is thought 45-50% of businesses are mines, quarries, collective farms, or woodchipping stations, while nearly 65-70% of production is geared towards military. Resource gathering is heavily orientated around industrialisation like mines and quarries, rather than retail and others.
Motherlandism Health and Education
-WORK IN PROGRESS
The Island of Rose
09-07-2005, 21:36
Still a bloody commie >_> :P
Hogsweat
09-07-2005, 21:39
If you don't have anything constructive to say... fuck off.
Dreamsdom
09-07-2005, 21:46
A clarification, you have free elections, and can you breakdown how your elections our run? I would be interested in that greatly :)
The Island of Rose
09-07-2005, 21:46
If you don't have anything constructive to say... fuck off.


Well excuse me. It was merely a joke, gee whiz. Fine, I apologize. And if you want a constructive comment:

It sounds a bit like Democratic Stalinism in my opinion, sure you can vote representatives, but it's still one party rule, the nation is the "god" of the people, and red seems to be their favorite color.
Hogsweat
09-07-2005, 21:53
Yeah, that's pretty much right. Still...
Shasoria
09-07-2005, 22:03
Very cool. So basically, it's extreme nationalist socialism on one side, like Russia, and it's extreme nationalist capitalism on the other side, like America? I like the way you've plotted it out.
Hogsweat
09-07-2005, 22:07
Thanks. But i'm not sure how it is national capitalism?
Shasoria
09-07-2005, 22:09
Well because you draw so much from Socialism and Nationalism, I figured the other side of the tracks would be Capitalist Nationalism.
Hogsweat
09-07-2005, 22:11
Ah, I see. Well, I would say that analyses was incorrect as there is no capitalism really in Hogsweat, internally anyway. Still, thanks for the praise!!
El Caudillo
09-07-2005, 22:12
Great job, Hogsweat :)
Hogsweat
09-07-2005, 22:14
A Map of the Motherland!
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b245/ComradeMatt/Maps/HogsweatMap.png
Hogsweat
09-07-2005, 22:20
Thanks, Caudillo ;)
El Caudillo
09-07-2005, 22:21
Holy crap, that's a cool looking map!
Hogsweat
09-07-2005, 22:21
Thanks again :P
Beth Gellert
09-07-2005, 22:23
Looks quite Turkish.

Question: What does RAF stand for in a Motherlandist context? I'm assuming that it's not Royal Air Force...

I'll leave it at that, because any more would involve Igovian Communards (residents of the Igovian Soviet Commonwealth of Beth Gellert) criticising the false democracy of the Party and questioning the wisdom of wage equalisation (there are most probably Igovian 'missionaries' trying to distribute left-socialist and anarchist propaganda in Hogsweat), so, er I will leave before I let that happen ;) Ahem.
Hogsweat
09-07-2005, 22:25
Ahh.. it's Red Air Force ;) As HMS in Hogsweat is Her Motherlandic Ship.
Beth Gellert
09-07-2005, 22:29
Ahh, very good!

More catchy than Commonwealth Air-Guard Expert Corps, anyway...
Hogsweat
09-07-2005, 22:30
Lol
Romandeos
09-07-2005, 22:38
Hey, they sold us a good tank design, so I don't really care what style of government they have.

~ King Christian Woodburne I of the Kingdom of Romandeos.

Having made that little IC comment, I wish to compliment you on a nice thread, Hogsweat. Nice map.
Unified Japan
09-07-2005, 22:49
3.) Race, Class, Religious hatred crime

And here I thought the USSR had been all about stamping on Cossaks, the upper and working classes and Christians. :rolleyes:
Hogsweat
09-07-2005, 22:59
And here I thought the USSR had been all about stamping on Cossaks, the upper and working classes and Christians. :rolleyes:
... And here I thought I wrote this about my country, not the USSR. Just because it's a stalinist country doesn't mean I based it completely off the USSR.. do you have any originality? Obviously not if you named your country off an existing one..As I said, if you have nothing good to say, then fuck off.

And thanks Romandeos >_> the map took a while.
Yafor 2
10-07-2005, 06:24
Interesting map, Hoggie. I lik the idea of Motherlandism, too. If I ever have a revolution, I hope you don't mind me taking that idea.
Hogsweat
10-07-2005, 10:44
That'd be awesome :D And thanks.
Tom Joad
10-07-2005, 12:48
Informative and interesting to read, yet you also manage to acknowledge some of the drawbacks in your society without having to put it in italics or have an OOC box around it.
Hogsweat
10-07-2005, 13:27
Thanks. The whole idea was to have a basic description of how my country works. I'm glad you enjoyed it.
Yafor 2
10-07-2005, 13:41
The only problem with that idea is Yafor 2 is a lot like a watered down version of Motherlandism...I really should post one of these threads..I barely understand MY OWN culture ;) ...only problem is that this type of info would be Class-A secret..hmm...
MassPwnage
10-07-2005, 14:03
ooc: Hogsweat, on your economy, is it mostly low tech industry? If it's high tech industry, then you have to have somehow fit intellectuals into your system of economy.
Hogsweat
10-07-2005, 14:04
ooc: Hogsweat, on your economy, is it mostly low tech industry? If it's high tech industry, then you have to have somehow fit intellectuals into your system of economy.
I'm not really getting what you're on about. What do you mean by fit intellectual s into my system of economy?
MassPwnage
10-07-2005, 14:15
ooc: Communism tends to work against the educated unless you make provisions for them. What I'm saying is that a primarily low tech system with mostly blue collar workers or otherwise wage slaves is good under a communist system, but a white collar economy with a lot of high tech industry isn't unless you make provisions that promote intellectuals and communism at the same time.
Hogsweat
10-07-2005, 14:52
Well.. if you are more intelligent, then the chances are you would be able to help your collective business much further than if you weren't, therefore hopefully earning more money for the business, and therefore yourself, if that makes sense. That said, yes, the economy is mostly low tech industrial etc, probably the highest paid job you could have would be to teach at a military academy or at a military designs centre, or maybe a doctor/teacher as they are very well paid.. I will cover that further. The retail sector, etc is very low and possibly entirely smallprivate.
Thank you for your question and bringing that up.
Hogsweat
11-07-2005, 15:29
bumpsex hehehehehe
Tom Joad
11-07-2005, 22:44
Quick question, is it common practice for lazy or incompentent workers to be punished/disposed of or are they simply covered by the work of their bretheren?
Kriegorgrad
12-07-2005, 22:17
OoC: Very interesting government, democratic stalinism in a way, Orwellian but not. I like it. Your system and my own overlap but then they skew off in different directions once more, the idea of the state being God is just like Nikolai Fedorenkov. The man is embodied as the wisened and perfect decision maker, people look up to him but in reality, he is a puppet of the other oligarchs.

Overall, nice system, explain retail and stuff a bit more, that'd be good to hear. Also, tell us of the indoctrination children receive!
Unified Japan
13-07-2005, 11:28
do you have any originality? Obviously not if you named your country off an existing one

Yes. Obviously, because my NS nation is based on an existing one (to what extent you don't know because my factbook thing isn't up), I have no originality at all, in anything. Well done.

What's so original about your nation, exactly? This is just a cheap knock-off of forties Russia with a cheap knock-off flag from forties Russia, geographically based in a sort of bastardised mutant twin of the United Kingdom. The only thing about it that's original is the name. Hogsweat. Which is, like, a joined-together synonym for pig perspiration. Great idea. Very inspiring name for your Motherland. :p

As I said, if you have nothing good to say, then fuck off.

Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds?

"Hey, I'd like to know your opinions, guys! ...Well, provided that they're glowing and positive. If you don't think "Motherlandism" ( :rolleyes: ) is better than God, then you're a fucking asshole, get out of my thread."
Hogsweat
14-07-2005, 14:50
K, so my nation is like forties Russia..except in forties Russia their Education and Healthcare systems were nowhere near the peak of perfection mine are, and I seriously doubt that forties Russia's was actually ANYTHING like Hogsweat at all. I'd also like to know how geographically, except from names, Hogsweat looks ANYTHING like the United Kingdom; Answer, it doesn't. I wouldn't be surprised if you made a map (and didn't copy and paste it) that it didn't have the actual japanese names. I wouldn't whine about my flag, because [url=http://www.nationstates.net/images/flags/uploads/unified_japan.jpg]your flag isn't exactly the most original design ever, considering that it is EXACTLY what the Japanese Empire used as their flag during the war periods and before. Even my flag is slightly edited. My country is VERY different in comparison to the USSR. Maybe it did sound stupid; however, I don't actually care. When I asked for comments, I didn't ask for;
"The ussr was gay it killed lot sof people your contry is like the ussr exactly :rolleyes: :rolleyes: " which is pretty much what is delivered, except in a less retarded way.
Tom Joad
14-07-2005, 19:04
Quick question, is it common practice for lazy or incompentent workers to be punished/disposed of or are they simply covered by the work of their bretheren?

Ahem. Sensible pursuit of answers.
Ankhmet
31-07-2005, 10:14
ooc:I agree with UJ.
Hogsweat
31-07-2005, 11:33
ooc:I agree with UJ.
Your opinion is worth nothing in this thread.

And this is actually outdated now.
Kroblexskij
31-07-2005, 12:01
contrary to popular belief
i dont think hogsweat is a cheap knockoff and besides its just a game some people here seme to forget that.

people could call me a cheap knock off of whatever country you want to say. but it wouldnt bother me, because i know Kroblexskij is a better version of the Eastern states.

and lastly Hogs flag is most definatly not a russian one.

oh great map and breakdown of motherlandism, i took an encyclopedia of political stuctures out from the library and it describes this kind of ideoligy too but a much more simpler version .
Peopleita
31-07-2005, 12:05
The Commandante salutes his Marxist brother!
Kriegorgrad
31-07-2005, 12:50
OoC: He's actually imperialist now.
Enrosol
31-07-2005, 13:30
Obviously, If intellectuals were in the system, they'd probably be working together, in turn, developing high tech stuff that would turn a bigger profit for the company. Therefore, when profit is split up amongst these intellectual workers, there would be more money to go around. Inadvertantly, you get paid based on what you do, and share profits with other employees at the same time. This might mean splitting up the ones with more potential from those who are of the working class, but by communism's definition, mostly everyone counts as the working class. Depending on where you work, you might get paid more than some other establishment, but technically, you'd still be getting fair wages compared to your coworkers.

Did I get that right? Sorry for answering that question, but I had an opinion I had to express.

That map looks pretty good, too. Like a Communist state with British place names. What you described is kind of what I want my country to be. Good work. ;)
Hogsweat
31-07-2005, 13:35
Thanks Enrosol, that's absolutely correct, for example, if you are clever and can manage your business correctly it means more money for the business, only marginally but still. Thanks for your comments :) You too Krob, it's nice to know people are on the same wavelength as me. What was this system called?

And Krieg is right, I am imperialist now with a monarch, HOWEVER the Monarch has been "appointed" to "talk for the motherland" by "the motherland" My people treat their motherland as god, there is alot of national fervour about it. (2900th on the most devout nations :P)
Enrosol
31-07-2005, 13:40
Hogsweat, what region are you in?
Hogsweat
31-07-2005, 13:52
Haven.
Kroblexskij
07-09-2005, 20:56
may i use some quotes/construction from your motherland explanation for a system i devised.

REVOLUTIONISM

will hyperlink

Its a form of sovietism similar to your motherlandism, but the revolution is the saviour rather than the motherland. simple but different and new
Hogsweat
07-09-2005, 22:07
Yep, go ahead :-)