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Some time ago I codeveloped an FTL engine called the Time Manipulation Drive (TMD). It has worked well up to this point, but now I fear that I will have to transfer over to another system. You see, the TMD is a very bulky system, taking up a room about the size of a shuttle bay, and it uses complicated theories which are hard to explain the the heat of an RP. So, I am looking to either develop a new drive system with someone, or adapt an already in use system to fit my style. The engine would have to meet the following requirements:

1)Must be small enough to fit in a large starfighter
2)Must have reasonably long range
3)Must be efficient
4)Must fit into the Warhammer 40,000 universe without much difficulty
5)Must be reasonably low cost

If you want to work with me on this, post. If you have an already existing FTL engine that would fit the requirements, post it here.

bump. I gotta go for the night. Ill read any posts left in the morning.

Bumpage. Come on people, doesnt anyone want this and/or have one already?

The Imperium can offer warp drives for you to examine and modify...
That is, if you so wish it.

The offer is apreatiated, Chronoasia, but how does a warp drive actually work? Does it need a Navis Nobilitae pilot?

For those who do not have friends and Masters in the Immaterium....yes.
We use backup Navigators, should we require them; but often, by the grace of the Gods; we travel through the Empyrean, unhindered...

Depends on what your looking for, Star Trek Warp Drive is really cheap, and VERY small. But its not very fast. But you can always spend the extra money for Coaxile warp drive.
Hyperspace from SW tends to not work, unless you explore your whole area 1st/

Hmmmm... It seems that there really is no perfect drive system around. Looks like im going to have to make one. Again.

There is always the Ascendancy Fold Jump Drive. We can offer designs for both the Class II Fold Drive, and the Class III Zero Point Fusion Cores, and necessary navigation and computational computer cores needed to make the entire System work.

Ascendancy Class XII Drives and Cores are what we use currently, so we are well within security bounds to offer these Drives and systems.

Regards,

Lady Washu Habuki
Gaian Science Council Advisor Chair / Headmistress of NAIS

Do they meet the requirements listed above?

Other than number four, yes. Fold Drives are used even in our Omnifighters, Omni-LAMs and Omni-ARC 210s over decent distances to suprise entire fleet groups with close in disruption fire and quick combat support.

Sounds good, but i have to know how it works. If you are worried about any secret technology being stolen, just TG me.

Hmmmm... It seems that there really is no perfect drive system around. Looks like im going to have to make one. Again.

Unfortuneately I can only meet 3 of your 5 needs, maybe 4....

The Republic uses "wormholes" for transit, generated via our "Kraskinov" Drive

The units are large, unfortuneately; so Point 1 is out.... The actual mechanism is generally as large as; or larger than a shuttle; just for the "Generator"; not including the needed power input (we typically use Zero-Point Modules). The assembly is composed of high ammounts of exotic matter (NQ299) and thus this may effect point 5 (Cost), since NQ299 is relatively rare... [The smallest one is about 50 meters in diameter)...

Range is, however, virtually unlimited (limited merely by the ammount of energy you can produce to drive the system... Though it is fairly efficient)... And could easily handle inter-galactic transits....

Speed is a non-issue; since technically you never exceed your sub-light "speeds"...

It provides little in the way of tactical advantage; since anyone at the destination would see the formation of the wormhole, before you arrive...

It sounds excelent for a starship, however im looking to fit my new system into escort starfighters, so im afraid it wouldnt work.

Bleh, the fighter that I have uses a wormhole drive. It's a little short ranged because it has to fit on a fighter, and be somewhat realistic. The fighter is a little over 17 meters long, and modeled after the Incom ARC-170 starfighter in Episode III.

so imagine that kind of frame, and stuff it with the technologies you know I use, and you have a general idea as to the size of this thing, and implications of changing the size of the drive unit, depending on how much room your fighters will have in them.

Although to me, Gaian's fold drives sound like the best way to go.

Dangit, im basing the escort fighter on the ARC-170! lol

Lol. Well? Shall I go on? Or have you made up your mind already?

Oh, right, sorry. Got distracted. Anyway, go ahead and tell me more about how it works. Gaian has yet to provide the information I requested, so the contract is still open.

Washu starts the lecture by heading to her favorite podium, a clear glasssteel type with the Ascendancy flag logo in front, transparent.

She then begins.

"The simplest terms is that of a piece of paper, with a pencil, and taking one point of pencil, stuck in one point, and that 'any' other point on the piece of paper desired, then folded to the pencil point, becoming the destination point.

The paper of course is as large as the cosmos is, and as long as you have coordinates, 'any' coordinates desired in your database catalouge, then you can jump to that point with impunity. It works simply by moving through a special layer of subspace that acts a lot like planspace the Abh use through Sords, but a vessel travels a 'lot' further, and a heck of a lot more quickly than by use of movement variables, but essentially jumping between the two points rather than 'moving' between them.

Distance is not so much the factor, as is the proper power source, and that's where the Zero Point Cores come in. By using the very fabric of space itself, which is rediculously infinite thanks to the infinite layers of subspace, dimensions, space-time and whatnot, then the 'fuel' that all these particles make up, become the fuel source for the Zero Point Core. A special type of trans-spatial fusion that draws the fuel then powers not only the drive, but the rest of a vessel's systems with replete power. It's possible to use the power source to fuel weapons that can't be concieved, such as the infamous Dimensional Cannon fabled to 'actually' destroy a small galaxy.

But Ascendancy forces are also environmentally conscious, as using ZPCs means drawing the lifeforce of the universe itself. (..and what happens if all the 'fuel' is used up? Even infinity has a limit in places. Hence the boundries between subspaces and dimensions.

Or why would seperate realities even bother to exist? Um... straying here..)

In the end, the Fold Drive uses liberal, but not overwhelming power supplies, and the vast Ascendant Star Map archive, to make the Fold Drive work. (Drive, Power Source, Map Coordinates.

...that's 'all' a Fold drive needs.)

The Fold drive also allows a vessel to remive the need for fuel tanks for a drive, as the fuel is already drawn from the 'infinite' fuel tank of the cosmos itself. That means space can be used for other functions a vessel needs. More weapons, crew space, replication substance tanks, whatever a vessel needs with the extra space. More a Fold Drive also allows space for a backup jump drive in the 'rare' case a Fold drive malfunctions, more more likely, damaged in combat. Ascendancy forces use long range Boson Type teleportation drives, though hyperdrives and Space-Time Orbs are also used.

And as demonstrated, Ascendancy forces uses the drive in both A-SSDs, Capital Ships, High-Mobile WarShips, FACAF WarShips, JumpShips, DropShips, and down to it's Omni-Starfighter forces. This is the reason why a civilization over 700 million light-years from the Milky Way Galaxy can even still affect the course of events in the same said galaxy, and even further beyond.

..and why it's wars are so rediculous in scale.

As for the distance factor, an application of energy amplification is all that is required, as well as a slight time-lag effect of a few seconds. (not much different from a radio signal travelling a short distance between the Earth and Moon. Trans-Dimensional Folds will eventually take several seconds to complete when it gets that far along.)

Now imagine all that with a large scale fleet. Thank you. =^^=

And that is our inital lecture on the benefits of the Ascendancy Fold Drive. Cookies and refreshments are on the far table."

Very intriging system, Gaian. Tell me, does the Zero Point Core take up much room? And is it able to power other systems?

*runs to the cookies...* Looks like there's not much left here for me (~.~)

Now I havnt made up my mind yet! Plus, price may be a factor.

Some time ago I codeveloped an FTL engine called the Time Manipulation Drive (TMD). It has worked well up to this point, but now I fear that I will have to transfer over to another system. You see, the TMD is a very bulky system, taking up a room about the size of a shuttle bay, and it uses complicated theories which are hard to explain the the heat of an RP. So, I am looking to either develop a new drive system with someone, or adapt an already in use system to fit my style. The engine would have to meet the following requirements:

1)Must be small enough to fit in a large starfighter
2)Must have reasonably long range
3)Must be efficient
4)Must fit into the Warhammer 40,000 universe without much difficulty
5)Must be reasonably low cost

If you want to work with me on this, post. If you have an already existing FTL engine that would fit the requirements, post it here.


My Coaxile warp drive can meet all of your needs. Care to know how it works?

sure, hit me

sure, hit me
My version is a bit different than what coaxile warp drive is.

What it does, it shoves you in between multiple universes. And then uses a standard warp drive. From there you can reach your destination pretty quick.

Speeds reach up to 12,000 Lightyears Per Hour.

I would go on more, but unless your not interested I wont list how it works fully,.

I have no idea what a standard coaxial warp drive is, to explain it to me like I was a two-year old.

Washu shakes her head at the Kyanges delegation, then responds.. "The Cores take up no more room than a standard power core of the appropriate vessel or starfighter size needed.

As for cost, we're not so much in if for profit, as for long term diplomatic relations. It would actually behoove us if more nations were more Fold worthy capable, as it extends the power of more nations into the greater cosmos.

There are always larger things that need small things to happen first.

Plus we're not in a need of profit."

I noticed that although you say your not in it fr money, you didnt say the price. Whenever a TV commercial leaves out the price, it means its way costly, which makes me suspicious.

Ah, I have to go for the day. Ill be back on tomorrow to review your posts and make a descision.

Washu shakes her head at the Kyanges delegation, then responds...

(OOC: That actually made me laugh. Not too sure what to make of it though... -.> )

IC:

Enter... the obnoxious sale person...

The Eshirian Sovereignty (ES) would like to present the Zero Point Energy powered, near insta-respond capable, space time friendly...

Worm hole generator... God that sounds kinda passe next to things like "Fold Generators" and what not eh? Not so!

The advantages of wide scale applications of worm hole technology are nearly limitless! The ES itself uses Wormholes as a almost exclusively for all its FTL needs.

"But is it right for me?" you ask? Well, sure it is!

Judging by the criteria you've set up, our wormhole technology makes any other form of space time manipulation look like a Star Destroyer using wheels! It's just not pretty!

Here's basic rundown, for your set of criteria:

ONE! It can fit in almost any vessel you want! The ES has this baby inside their own starfighters, and they're only about 17 meters long.

TWO! As long as you use our Zero Point Energy modules, (An almost limitless supply of energy found every where within very existence it self.) you can get a nearly infinite range!

THREE! Since it leaves uses nearly no exhaustible energy supply, it is about as efficient as you'd ever want it to be!

FOUR! *pant, pant* ummm... Who needs anything to fit in the WH: 40K universe anyway... Moving on!

FIVE! Because the ES manufactures Wormhole drives everywhere, these drives can be provided at nearly no cost at all!

Well? What do'ya say to that?

Let me just explain it to you like a 2 year old, It is fast. It is cheap, and it is safe!
1. Met
2. Met
3. Met
4. Met
5. We can work out a fair price ( very very very low )

The Mobius Guild of Otagia would be happy to provide Continuum transport to Einhauser.

The Mobius Continuum is essentially a parallel dimension, although it possesses neither space nor time. Thus, it exists everywhere and everywhen. A trained psyker of the Necroscope variant can open doors to the continuum of nearly any size, from single-man portals, to a rift big enough to encompass a planet. Of course, the bigger the rift, the more stable the area must be, and the longer it takes to open. Once in the continuum, the Necroscope simply opens another door to his destination, allowing the group to exit. Please note that minor discomfort may result from Mobius travel, as thinking overly "loudly" can cause physical pain (the current theory is that with no space, even thoughts have mass), and seperation from the Necroscope may result in being stranded in the Continuum.

Travel along the Mobius Continuum is cheap, fast (virtually instantaneous), and efficient. A single Necroscope can be rented from the Mobius Guild for 10,000,000 USD a year, and can provide transport for an entire fleet.

OOC: Apologies for low amounts of originality here.

1) A necroscope will easily fit in a starfighter, assuming you have a passengers seat.
2) Range is infinite. Travel to other galaxies is even possible.
3) Energy use is simple wear and tear on the Necroscope (mental exaustion, occasional psychic backlash, etc.).
4) It uses a psyker (admittedly, not a 40K psyker). What more can you ask for?
5) 10,000,000 USD to transport a fleet for a year seems cheap to me, wouldn't you agree?

@ Kyanges. That part about the whole "What needs to fit in the WH40K anyway. Moving on!" part was great. it does sound like a system that would be useful, especially as it is already in use in fighters of a similar size to our own. two questions: 1) Can other ships use the wormholes generated by the drive? Evene if they colapse the moment the ship is through, it seems to me that enemy ships could follow. 2) What happens if more than one wormhole is opened in close proximity to each other?

@ East Coast Federation. Can I have more detail?

@Otogia. Although your system sounds good for starships, im afraid it would be a huge drain o nthe economy to outfit our several hundred thousand new fighters with such a costly system. Add to that that the Psyker has to be trained to act as a gunner, and that they may go insane and kill parts of my fleet in the heat of battle, and im afraid I will have to turn it down.

ooc: sorry to hijack, but I was wondering if you got my e-mail Einhauser on our project?

No, ill check it now. Im on messenger, by the way.

Washu replies... "If you wish to be suspicious, so be it, we cannot stop such things. So we 'will' label a price.

..which is the entire cultural and historic database of your nation from it's earliest days to the present. To us, such things are more important that currency, because in the end, it is history that is the final arbiter of all things.

And our Monolith Archive needs all 'kinds' of such information."

She then looks at the Kyanges delegation. They should be good cookies, Lady Sasami made them. Won the Ascendancy cookie blue ribbon for fifty-seven years straight.

..and she doesn't look a day over twenty-one."

Well, both Kyanges and Gaian are tied right now. perhaps a bidding war would show the victor? Lowest price for the production rights is the winner.

Washu cocks an eye.. "Or we could just simply incorporate both drives into a primary and backup Jump system for all your starfleet vessels. We are more than willing to enter a cooperative venture. We'd send drive components and technicians to Kyanges space, and help create a unique drive system for Einhauser use.

In return, all three nations would enter a long term commerce and trade compact and alliance contract, where all three sides would assist and profit from each other's national capabilites and resources.

As we are in the middle a large intergalactic war, we would be able to use Kyanges and Einhauser forces to help boslter home guard defense (not front line duty...) so as to free more of our forces to the front. In return, the Fold drive and the alliance where, Kyanges and Einhauser benefits from our vast resources, trade commerce and knowledge far 'beyond' the realm of simply need for a jump drive.

To have a good drive, means knowledge how to use it properly, as well as learning about the vast reaches of space beyond just the confines of the Milky Way Galaxy. We would be willing to extend all this knowledge into the alliance. And of course, our forces would be available (within reason..) to help defend both territories. As our forces include the Ascendant and Sphere Allies fleets and forces in addition to the FACAF, we have a very long reach.

So why simply settle for a drive, when we offer a helping hand along with it.

This is the Ascendancy way." Washu stops, taking a moment for a glass of water.

*kicks the ground softly* I kinda wanted a bidding war... *sniff*

Anywho, that allience sounds great. Share technology, fleets, whatnot. We should set up a diplomatic thread. That is, if kyanges is in.

bump

@ Kyanges. That part about the whole "What needs to fit in the WH40K anyway. Moving on!" part was great. it does sound like a system that would be useful, especially as it is already in use in fighters of a similar size to our own. two questions: 1) Can other ships use the wormholes generated by the drive? Evene if they colapse the moment the ship is through, it seems to me that enemy ships could follow. 2) What happens if more than one wormhole is opened in close proximity to each other?

"Well I don't think that I'd look that convincing if I didn't already have an answer to those questions!

The wormhole stays put, where and when you place it, so other ships can easily follow through... However, enemy ships cannot and will not follow. The hole only expands large enough for the ship to flow into. In a sense, the hole follows the contours of the ship. Plus, the wormhole created is set to a particular energy frequency. Only a ship emitting the same energy type can even use the wormhole. Sort of like an energy ticket for travel.

Your second concern about wormholes opening up closely to each other isn't all the well founded. The opening of the wormholes already repel each other. There is no need for concern."

About the proposed alliance, the Eshirian people, and our Government always welcomes the chance to further our enlightenment in science, and foster peace in the galaxy. Although, further information will be required pertaining the use of our units.

Defense only when needed. We'd be more willing to offer our forces and resources in assistance of defense (only defense) of both Kyanges and Einhauser assets and territory.

We already now, in the past short time, have gained several powerful allies in the Dark Eternal war, so direct military assistance by either of your nations is not needed. (..and quite bluntly, would not want you in the middle of such carnage. The memories from such a war would last beyond a normal lifetime.)

In the end, we simply want strong relations between our nations, as we have seeked with so many others on various levels. The main detail is simply flat out, the establishment of an alliance where you both gain far more from us, than we would from you.

..as we would gain the treasures we need, where money is not needed, as mentioned.

Defense only when needed. We'd be more willing to offer our forces and resources in assistance of defense (only defense) of both Kyanges and Einhauser assets and territory.

We already now, in the past short time, have gained several powerful allies in the Dark Eternal war, so direct military assistance by either of your nations is not needed. (..and quite bluntly, would not want you in the middle of such carnage. The memories from such a war would last beyond a normal lifetime.)

In the end, we simply want strong relations between our nations, as we have seeked with so many others on various levels. The main detail is simply flat out, the establishment of an alliance where you both gain far more from us, than we would from you.

..as we would gain the treasures we need, where money is not needed, as mentioned.

I understand.

Believe us when we say that we do not like to jump into alliances in which we do not commit ourselves or offer as much as our allies. Although you may, as you say, gain less from us than we gain from you, we will try to ensuse things remain as even as possible.

Remember also, that the culinary, the tourisim, and the cultural for a Gaian, is as powerful a motivator, as a bar of gold pressed latimum is for a Ferengi.

This is hard to say in words, as you need to feel the passion of such in the Gaian soul to understand how much such appeals to us.

Mind this in the idea of 'even' in the equation, our friends.

OOC, Obviously:

Read a physics book. :D

Unless you wish this whole thing to be politically attached, give them all the boot and make your own! Unless you like using someone else's handy work without understanding it intimately, as your own scientists would making their own device. Science is as science does, and ignorance in science leads to disaster.

But if politics is what you want, make an ally or two. Both seem good candidates for such.

Good luck to you all. Rest assured I will not post here again, so happy RP-ing. Peace.

(OOC: Now all pleasant banter aside, I think that somebody would need to start a diplomacy thread. I'm not able to right now simply because I've got to get off the comp soon.)

IC:

What you have said has been noted. We hope to be able to begin official relations soon. As soon as the Einsinites are ready.

((OOC- Let one of you guys start the thread, It would have to be away from my Supercluster since the war is just too far spread in there at the moment. One of your nation's worlds or whatnot would be more 'secure' as it is.

As for you Dysonnia, there 'is' a credible web posting that speculates on the actual possibility of Fold travel. Course then ALL methods of star travel is considered fantasy anyway, so let's not mince words and rp like this please.

Oh: http://www.nastidyne.com/aif/technobabble/babble-foldspace.html

..just so that we are clear here.

And TRY not to take the fun out of this stuff, please with a cherry on top? =--= ))

@ Dysonna. Hey, ive made my own drive once before. Twas a process I dont want to repeat if i can help it.

Im ready for that diplomacy thread anytime you guys are. Do you two have MSN IM?

@ Dysonna. Hey, ive made my own drive once before. Twas a process I dont want to repeat if i can help it.

Im ready for that diplomacy thread anytime you guys are. Do you two have MSN IM?

(OOC: I use AIM. Click the little AIM symbol under my post count.)

Damn, I dont have AIM. Ah well. Howsabout I start the diplomatic thread now? Anyone else want to do it?

I was thinkin we could hold it on Einhauserian Earth. The... "unique" feel of the planet would give us something to talk about other than each other. Heres a brief description of the place:

Earth: Einhauserian Earth is a living hell for the teeming masses that inhabit it. Humongous factories descend hundreds of miles down into the very strata of the planet, while the entire surface is covered in a massive city. It is a perverse abomination born of a hive world and a forge world, an unholy union of pollution. The passageways are narrow, and the only real way to get around is to use the deteriorating maglev system that criss-crosses the globe.

The city extends into the filthy, sludgy water of the poisonous oceans, where the water glows a sickeningly green color from the centuries of nuclear, chemical, and biological wastes pumped into it. Massive, half-mile thick panes of opaque glassteel cover the city, absorbing what little light breaks through the violent, roiling storms that rock the planet constantly, and protecting the ever-toiling beings beneath from the acidic weather above. Only soot-belching smoke stacks and the occasional starport break the pockmarked surface.

The air is thick with toxins, and only by pumping it through miles of filters does it become “safe” to breath. Even then, it kills most humans by age fifty. The water is not much better: in some places, it is so acidic that it is actually eating through the ocean floor. The poles have both melted, causing the water level to rise significantly. Huge planetary shield generators are located there, projecting the void and energy shields that envelope the planet in a protective bubble.

Outside of the city, on the surface, the temperature of the sooty, blood red sky is well over a hundred degrees Fahrenheit, while inside it is kept at a steady 78 degrees by the arcane environmental control devices. That is, except near the factories, where glistening rivers of molten metal are forged into the machines that make life possible on this hell-world, and hundreds of millions of thankless workers toil endlessly.

The landmass formerly known as Australia is home to most of the government facilities, where as the Pacific Northwest is host to most military things.

Overhead flies the massive shipyard that churns out the fearsome vessels that ply the ocean of the stars. It is protected by twenty-nine orbiting space stations equipped with ship-killer weapons batteries, and powered by their own fusion reactors. A gigantic minefield surrounds the planet and its moon. The mines are semi-intelligent, and can differentiate between friend and foe, although if a vessel strays off of the pre-assigned route issued to it, it will be instantly destroyed, no matter whom they are.

Luna: The moon is a dedicated defense station, covered in weapons and garrisoned by millions of crack soldiers. Most of the surface is dedicated to anti-ship weaponry and starports, where hundreds of thousands of Einhauser’s fighters are kept and maintained.

I try to stay away from IMs personally, just not one of my prefered comforts for some reason.

We'll let you Einhauser start the thread however you see fit, and we'll both then come. Hopefully by the end of the thread, the Dark Eternals will be pushed out of my realm, and 'then' we can safely have your delegations come to our Homeworld.

So, shall we begin?

right ho, ill scoot off and make it.

EDIT: Here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=430760) it is