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Today, after several years of research The Van Luxemburg Navy presnted the first prototype of the Diekirch class Superdreadnaught. the Ship, called VLS Diekirch is a competer to the world-famous Doujin class and probably all other Superdreadnaughts. for this ship, the Van Luxemburg navy has set aside it's tactics for this ship, and is very proud of it. the specifications are:

Diekirch Class Super Dreadnaught
Note: all rocketlaunchers mentioned have other names, but it’s easier to mention the rocket name.

Length 900.84m (wl), 915.18m (oa); width: 316m (oa), 300m (wl); draught: 20m full load, 16.2m standard
Displacement: 3.7 Mt (full load)
Complement: 11,000 (base) 4,000 (Air Crew) 5,000 (Marines) Max. 25000
Propulsion: 8 A4W Nuclear generators, Backup consisting of 6 30000HP Gas Turbines
Speed: standard: 21 kts.; maximum sustained: 23.2 kts.+; maximum burst: 24.3 kts.+
Armour: (Main belt): 145 cm; (turrets): 146.3 cm; (Main barbettes): 147 cm; (Main missile magazines): 48.3 cm; (Hangar): 49.62 cm; (Deck (key spaces)): 45 cm; (CIC): 44 cm; (Bulkheads):46.08cm.
Vehicles
Air (Possible): 19 Mirage 2100 (Navy), 30 Rafale M, 1 E2C Hawkeye, 5 Sea Tiger Naval Assault Helicopters, 5 NH 90 Helicopters, 1 Westland Seaking Helicopter
Boats: 10 LCAC (stored under Stern of Ship) 3 HLCAC, 30 RIB’s, 20 LCM-8.
Amphibious: 20 VAB, 10 VBCI
Elevators: 4, each situated on one of the far sides of the ship. 70T capacity
Crane: 3 Cranes, can Lift 10T
Flight Deck Length: 900M with Steam Catapult. 2 flight decks, each side of the ship.
Helidecks: 4 (located on the sides of the ship)
Weapons:
20 635mm cannons (5 turrets, 4 barrels each, 2 fwd, 3 aft.)
12 155 mm cannons (6 turrets, 2 barrels each, 3 fwd, 3 aft.)
25 56mm autocannons
20 37mm AA cannons
10 Sea Wolf AA missile launchers
22 Crotale AA missile launchers
15 SAAM AA (Aster 15 navalized missile)
10 AA lasers (capable of holding off missiles by Burning their electric systems or igniting their payload in mid-air)
5 VLS cells ( 127 cells each)
7 AGM-84 Harpoon
9 BGM-109 Tomahawk
8 RIM-7 Sea Sparrow
16 RIM-67 SM2 Standard Missile
8 RIM-116 RAM
15 UUM-139 ASROC
12 MK 32 Surface Vessel Torpedo Tube (SVTT) (Mk. 46 and Mk. 50 supplied, aswell as Mk. 60 CAPTOR)
Radar:
SPY-2 Multirole Radar
COBLU Combat Direction Finding
MK 36 SRBOC Decoy
AN/TPX-42 AATC DAIRAN/SPN-46 Precision Approach Landing System (PALS)
AN/SPG-51D Missile Director
AN/SPG-62 Illuminator
AN/SPN-41 Navigation
MFR
AN/SPS-64 Surface Search
AN/SPS-52
AN/SPS-55 Surface Search
Countermeasures:

N/SLQ-25 Torpedo decoy system
AN/WLR-12 ACINT Torpedo countermeasure system
AN/SLQ-37 mine countermeasure system
MWS 80-4 Mine Countermeasure system
Sonar:

AN/WQN-1
AN/UQN-4
AN/UQQ-2 SURTASS
TASP Process unit
AN/SQQ-89 ASWCS
AN/SQQ-32
AN/SQS-56 Hull Mounted
Others: AN/KAS-1A Chemical Warfare Detector
AN/UMK-3 TESS Tactical Environment support system
AN/UMQ-12 MRS Meteorological system.
Radios:
FLEETSATCOM
VHF/UHF
AN/USC-38
AN/SAT2B
ADNS
JMCS SLICE
Command:
AN/USQ-119E GCCS-M
AN/USQ-119 JMCIS
Control
Mk. 7 AEGIS
Mk. 1 SSDS
Intelligence:
AN/SYQ-23 JSIPS-N
AN/ULQ-20 BGPHES
CHBDL-ST
STACINTEL II+
TADIXS

All systems come together in a very strong computer, to be processed. After that, Data
is sent to corresponding processors. Specs of computer:
60 Thz (1 TeraHerz is 1000 GigaHerz)
102400 MB RAM
2000 TB (Terabyte, 1 TB is 1000 GB)(What The hell is the name for units higher than 1000 TB?)



Price: 450 billion.
currently being built for the VLM (Van Luxemburg Marine):
VLS Esch sur Alzette (SD 2) (completion: 10 NS years)
VLS Eschweiler (SD 3) (Completion: started in 5 NS years)
VLS Differdange (SD 4) (Completion: Started in 10 NS years)
VLS Nommern (SD 5) (Completion: Started in 15 NS years)
VLS Mourmelange (SD 6) (Completion: started in 20 NS years
VLS Nice (SD 7) (Completion: Started in 25 NS years)
VLS Le Grau Du Roi (SD 8)(Completion: Started in 30 NS years)

Currently In Service :
VLS Diekirch (SD 1) (undergoing last minute updates)

OOC: Comments please. NOT FOR SALE!

OOC: That is quite powerful

Nice ship. I request that you please check out my Zactarn Prime Military Storefront thread and leave comments on my stuff as well.

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C'mon! there has to be something with my design?

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Way to fast, no good seconday armaments, you'd get teared up by fast ships, very little effective missile armament, the speed is WAY to fast for something of this size and weight, proccessor speed is way to low and good luck with only 10024 MB RAM and only 20 TB (I went to a small college, theyhad 2 20 TB servers, and they only had 100 GBs left, they were going to get more, this ships needs way more.


And stealth?! roflmfao!!!!!!

Way to fast, no good seconday armaments, you'd get teared up by fast ships, very little effective missile armament, the speed is WAY to fast for something of this size and weight, proccessor speed is way to low and good luck with only 10024 MB RAM and only 20 TB (I went to a small college, theyhad 2 20 TB servers, and they only had 100 GBs left, they were going to get more, this ships needs way more.


And stealth?! roflmfao!!!!!!
Ok, an update:

-speed reduced by 10 knots
-What do you mean with secondary armament? the 56mm cannons?
-Bear in mind that it's not the number of missiles aboard, but the number of launchers capable to launch them. but I will place more of them.
-upgraded the computer specs (does anyone know the name for units above 1000 TB?)
-stealth removed.

I'd change the 105mm cannons to 155mm (6 inch) or something around that, I'd also get rid of the 25mm MGs as they are to weak to harm most of NS' uber missiles of planes, and by doing that you can increase the amount of the other A weapons.

I won't say anything about the 800mm guns however.

I didn't actually increase the number of AA, I added some Modern european AA missiles, to defeat any incoming Aircraft. I changed the 105mm's to 155's and, as I already said , got rid of the 25 mm AA's.

awsome design

I'm not a 'battleship' person.

I'm not a 'battleship' person.
Considering many nations here have at least 2-5 Super Dreadnaughts, and even more battleships (I have 16 battleships, and planning for 8 SDs) you might want to invest in a couple once your bigger, or maybe a few Hyper carriers, but all in all no other ships can do what a SD can period.

what are hyper carriers

Carriers that are bigger then Super Carriers, usually over 250 planes, Sarzonia is selling a hyper carrier in his storefront.

Hypercarriers:

Loch Ness-Class Hypercarrier - Space Union
Gavin Newsom-Class Hypercarrier- Sarzonia

These are the only known hypercarriers that I know of. Mine is a enlarged version of the Couragous-Class Superdreadnaught and carries over 2,500 planes but is extemely huge. I've had CSJ check it so I don't think its a godmod.

Sarzonia's is a built carrier by them that carries around 300 planes (used to carry 500 but he toned it down). Its more capable today then mine but neither are superdreadnaughts ;)

The 800mm guns should be reduced to 25" (635mm, which offers sufficient armour penetration without the immoderate barrel-murdering of larger calibres). The smaller calibre guns would allow more to be place on the ship (say about 18-20 in 6 or 5 turrets respectively, though personally I'm not a great fan of three-tiered superimposed turrets).

The VLS systems should be multi-purpose systems, similar to the American Mk.41. Similar, of course, doesn't have to mean the same. For your missile systems, it's best to settle on a small variety as that reduces the pressure on your replenishment vessels. For instance -- and this is just an example, not a suggestion -- Mistral for very short range (automated mounts), VL-MICA for short-range, Aster-15/Aster-30 for intermediate/medium range, and something for long range engagements (as you would want to wipe out any air threat you might encounter at the longest ranges possible).

With regard to the lifts, did you mean deck-edge lifts? On my super-dreadnought, I placed them on the edge of the primary hull to reduce the radar cross-section (RCS; although on such a large ship, the decrease in RCS would be minimal) as well as the likelihood of them being damaged. One could, however, argue that placing them "within" the outrigger connectors (connecting the primary hull with the outriggers) weakens those connectors.

With regard to the aircraft, don't try to equip a super-destroyer with aircraft larger than what you would put on an aircraft carrier. The outriggers/secondary hulls are not going to be much longer than either Britain's "future aircraft carrier" or a Nimitz carrier (certainly not), so avoid suggesting employing aircraft without either high lift surface or good low speed performance (therefore, yes to the Rafale or Su-33, no to delta-wing Mirages or F/A-22s ). Large transport aircraft should not be considered.

[b]Navalising high performance aircraft
"Navalising" F/A-22s would reduce their performance and would likely entail manufacturing an entirely new aircraft. In truth, I know of very few aircraft that had successfully made the land-based air power to sea-based air power switch (perhaps the de Havilland Sea Venom and certainly the Hawker/BAe Harrier, to an extent the North American Fury, the MiG-29 (slightly altered), and the greatly changed Su-27 (as the Su-33)). By contrast, several aircraft successfully made the switch from Navy to Air Force, most notably the F-4 Phantom II.

Sure, go ahead with 800mm. I'd like to fight this thing with my Northumberland, because before we'd fire a shot your gun barrels would be melted and twisted. Then i'd strike with 25" guns that can fire faster, and more, and more accurately, and just hit as hard. When using superhuge cannons, please bear phsyics in mind. Guns don't just shoot forever, you know. I also doubt the ability for it to launch an AWACs aircraft of that size. The length of the ship is a bit big.. i'd reduce it to about 800-870m. Otherwise it's not bad. Oh, and your specification setup could use some work too. looks a bit ugly.

***/***** Stars.

Check out my Northumberland (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=429043) class.

EDIT: Space Union, I really doubt the ability of an aircraft carrier to launch 2500 planes. Link please? Otherwise my Supercarrier carries 450.. at 900 metres I would assume that would be near the maximum capacity of any aircraft carrier. I hope you can prove me wrong without godmodding ;)

Sure, go ahead with 800mm. I'd like to fight this thing with my Northumberland, because before we'd fire a shot your gun barrels would be melted and twisted. Then i'd strike with 25" guns that can fire faster, and more, and more accurately, and just hit as hard. When using superhuge cannons, please bear phsyics in mind. Guns don't just shoot forever, you know. I also doubt the ability for it to launch an AWACs aircraft of that size. The length of the ship is a bit big.. i'd reduce it to about 800-870m. Otherwise it's not bad. Oh, and your specification setup could use some work too. looks a bit ugly.

***/***** Stars.

Check out my Northumberland (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=429043) class.

EDIT: Space Union, I really doubt the ability of an aircraft carrier to launch 2500 planes. Link please? Otherwise my Supercarrier carries 450.. at 900 metres I would assume that would be near the maximum capacity of any aircraft carrier. I hope you can prove me wrong without godmodding ;)


Its huge and a monohull. Origionally it was a trimaran (which would hold 1,600 planes) but I changed to mono because I read some people say that trimaran are really bad turning and I generally think to stick with the mono as its been proven ;) (Can't really say I've heard of a ship thats trimaran)

Here's a link to it, though:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9038717#post9038717

Hopefully its not godmod as CSJ didn't say that, and I understand him as one of the "expert" naval designers on NS.

Wow. 2100 metres. It's a huge target :P

Wow. 2100 metres. It's a huge target :P

But its my huge target ;)

Thats why you need to have lots of escorts to blow up those "enemies" ;)

True, I'm a strong believer in a secure AAW and ASW picket.

OK, just replaced a few things (but I think I removed more than replaced)

- E3 Sentry became the E2C Hawkeye
-removed all irrelevant aircraft (Blackbird, A400M)
-My Sea-Wolf is for Ultra-Short Range
My Crotale is for Short Range
My SAAM is for Medium range
I'm trying to find a decent long-range one.
-from 800mm to 635mm
-from 1065 m to 915m (oa)
- My Mirage 2100 doesn't exist in RL, it was actually built as a Carrier-based stealth aircraft. this is also were it is used. (yes, I know I have something with Stealth)
- my plan was, to launch To launch Ballistic Missiles with the VLS system (Conventional warheads, I don't have any nuclear)
- I think that was most of it.

Ah, I see what you were intending with the Mirage 2100 now. My apologies.

VLS are a good idea for most missile systems (barring certain short-range missile launchers), but if one of your concerns is protection, you might check out the Russian rotary VLS systems. Only one tube fires at a time, but that tube is the only one exposed to potentially hostile elements.

My concern wasn't protection but it can be used. unfortunately, I can't find very much about the Russian Revolver VLS, even the site of the Russian navy mentions the Revolver system (only which ships are equipped with it). but my original intention was to launch ICBM's, SRBM's and MRBM's with it.

A definite improvement! You could try the Aster 30 for long range, if you want. It's a European project.

As I see it now, this is actually one of the only superdreds that I like. I dont use them myself for reasons I wont get into in this thread; but this is just a very good, semi-realistic ship. It doesn't go overboard with planes or guns. I would doubt its abilities to launch ICBM's tough, but I've never done any research into ship-launched ICBMs.

BTW, you might want to convert your armorments into inches insread of mm. Most naval guns are measured this way. Just divide all the mm by 25.4 and you'll get inches.

4.5/5

@USSNA: Thanks for the compliments, and it's possible to launch an ICBM, a Ballistic Missile submarine can launch them too. maybe I'll put some inches in it too, but I'm using the metric system for now.
@ Hogsweat: Thanks too! But here's an Quote from the MBDA site, the developer of the Aster range:

"ASTER 30 SAMP/T is a new generation of ground based Medium Range Air Defence system providing self-defence, projected force protection and national or allied asset defence."

so it's medium ranged after all. but thanks for the Idea anyway.

Subs launch missiles differently than ships do though. A sub releases the missile in a bubble which goes to the surface. Once out of the water the missiles engines fire up. Subs also have the advantage of using the ocean as a giant shock absorber. But seeing as this is a super-dread... it might be able to take the forces invloved in an ICBM launch. I wouldn't put too many on the ship though, for load-out reasons.

I already have 2 Pocket Superdreadnaughts and a normal Superdreadnaught. Though the non-pocket one is being moved via a lenghtened super-heavy transport to an outerworld. So a place opens up for yours. I'll take one please.

Wiring 200 billion USD, restwill be wired upon confirmation of order.

Sorry, but this ship was not intended for sale, so you have to keep looking for another one. should have mentioned it.

Ah.. well the Aster 30 was designed by the EU for long range work and the Aster 15 for short range... then again, considering the range of missiles in NS..lol. still a good ship.