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*Secure Transmission To Huntaer*

"Greetings to you. I am emperor Arfus Sealous, emperor of the Imperial Seal Republic of Joseph Seal. I have something here that will greatly interest you.

While exploring the galaxy, one of my Star Destroyers found an abandoned wreckage of what appeared to be another, possibly Executor-class Super Star Destroyer. The wreckage was not as important. What was important was INSIDE the Super Star Destroyer.

While salvaging the ship for spare parts, one of our salvage droids came across mysterious plans, and transported it back to the exploring Star Destroyer.

Once the plans reached my office, I gave a look, and I can tell you, I was quite shocked, and possibly frightened, at what the plans showed me. I am sending a copy of the plans to you with this transmission, which should be appearing now.

The Plans (http://www.wolfsshipyard.mystarship.com/Drawings/SW/Imperium.gif)

I'm quite sure you'll be amazed at what you see yourself. Now... my proposition. To build a ship such as this one, you need massive amounts of resources, time, and money. You may have all three now, but even you can admit that you probably do not have enough.

That's where my nation comes in. We can give you the resources, money, and time you would still need if you can construct two of these starships. One for you, and one for me.

If we can work together, we can build these terrifying starships, and the security of our empires can be assured. All I ask for, is your promise to agree to build two of these starships, one for you and one for me, in exchange for my nation allying with yours and my nation's contribution of resources, time, and money to make this possible. I await your reply with eagerness.

-Arfus Sealous: Emperor of Joseph Seal

OOC: Bump

OOC: A bump in the night!

OOC: Do you mind OOC comments, if so I will hastily delete this. If you do not then I will make some.

OOC: Nah, I don't mind. Let me guess, you think the Imperium is over-kill?

OOC: Not only that but it will take an extraordary time to build. Ref the Xessmithia Star Dreadnought and my Research and Construction threads, Xessmithia's Star Dreadnought took around a month RL time to build and was 18 km. Mine will be 25km and much more powerful but will take from today until August 8th, even the two of you working together it will take something like 8-10 RL months to complete on of these. The original Death Star was only 160 km across, you could literally fit a full sized super laser into that ship and still have enough room for lots and lots of turbolasers. It won't have the same number as the Death Star but you might as well build a DS instead, it will only take a few more RL months. Chaotic Experiments is selling the blueprints to something like this, and I know why he isn't selling the ships. They take too ridiculously long to build, he has exactly one from along time ago that he was considering selling at less then half price, you may want to bid for that instead.

OOC: You have very good points there. However, I am also considering having other nations allied to Huntaer and myself build this, possibly 4 to 5 more people to lower the build time to... maybe 6 months, which is of course still alot of time. However, the Imperium is essentially the ultimate weapon, more powerful (and MUCH more kick-ass) than the Death Star could ever be. With this ship, well, security for a nation or planet is absolutely 120% assured, and I do not want to pass it up.

OOC: If you build this I doubt it will remain a secret, you might be able to hide something >30 km but after that it becomes pratically impossible to hide especially if it involves more then one nation. You can be assured that if you try to construct something like that then another alliance will create something to match it. I know that the first I would do would be to propose something even larger to the variety of people I'm allied with, especially because this would be something that the GE would be using. If you got a bunch of people together then you could do it in about six month RL, but any opposing ship will be finished in equal or less time.

OOC: Not only that but it will take an extraordary time to build. Ref the Xessmithia Star Dreadnought and my Research and Construction threads, Xessmithia's Star Dreadnought took around a month RL time to build and was 18 km. Mine will be 25km and much more powerful but will take from today until August 8th, even the two of you working together it will take something like 8-10 RL months to complete on of these. The original Death Star was only 160 km across, you could literally fit a full sized super laser into that ship and still have enough room for lots and lots of turbolasers. It won't have the same number as the Death Star but you might as well build a DS instead, it will only take a few more RL months. Chaotic Experiments is selling the blueprints to something like this, and I know why he isn't selling the ships. They take too ridiculously long to build, he has exactly one from along time ago that he was considering selling at less then half price, you may want to bid for that instead.

This thing has the technology Centerpoint Station was equipped with. You know, that gun that can move planets through hyperspace and blast stars from dozens of lightyears away or vaporize entire battlefleets without even thinking? I ain't even going to try to compete.

The Lord of Creation class' SMAC can't blow a planet to pieces like a superlaser can, but it could certain make it uninhabitable and blow huge chunks off for fun. It can't carry fleets of Star Destroyer's, though.

OOC: It could remain a partial secret if you make a shipyard big enough to build it in some distant, remote part of the galaxy. Invent a rumor or two about a haunted shipyard or something, and people tend to get nervous and stay away. (Hey, it worked in Star Wars: Rebel Assault II with the TIE Phantoms... though this is on a much larger scale.) Also, the nation's builders involved in this building project will be under ABSOLUTE top secrecy. Meaning if you tattle, you get shot. No questions asked.

And as for the opposing alliances... well... that's a risk we'd have to take. Besides, you saw how big this motherf*cker is(pardon the language). Anyone that wanted to build something bigger would be called crazy, because it'd be too unrealistic, thanks to the size and firepower. But yes... it's a possibility, but I'm willing to take that risk.

It worked for the TIE Phantom because that is a fighter, and you also have to deal with the material used to build it. Then you have to deal with transportation, then build the shipyard that is somewhere off the map that no one knows about. Then you have to tack on the time and material spent building the shipyard, and then you have to add on the time that it takes to get way out to the boontoolies versus the heart of an Empire. Essentially if you do it in the highest secret possible it will add months to your scheduel and add the possibility for discover during the shipyard building phase that may entirely counter act the benefit on having a secret shipyard. If you build it slowly enough that people won't notice ANY of this then 4-5 nations will literally take RL years to finish.

OOC: Again, we'll have at least 6 other trusted nations on this project, so the materials and buidling of the shipyard won't be as big of a problem. As for transportation, there will be relatively little, because two allies of mine, Vespeterium Minor and Zactarn Prime can actually build planets. (If that is godmodding, talk to them. Not me). Of course, this will be in a QUITE remote, non-interesting place in the galaxy, so secrecy will be partially assured. Again, for the construction, note that Huntaer has some of the best shipyards in the galaxy, and it's obvious he can also build ships with a greater ease than most. Therefore, that will cut down the time it takes to build the Imperium. Finally, as for the secrecy part, again, only certain, absolutely 100% trustworthy people will be able to be allowed to the shipyard where the Imperium will be built, where they'll be isolated for quite sometime.

All in all, the buiding of the whole thing will probably take... maybe 7 months, give or take one month.

Tag. I have some other stuff to do, then I'll respond.

Again, we'll have at least 6 other trusted nations on this project, so the materials and buidling of the shipyard won't be as big of a problem. As for transportation, there will be relatively little, because two allies of mine, Vespeterium Minor and Zactarn Prime can actually build planets. (If that is godmodding, talk to them. Not me).

I'm not saying that you won't have the material, its just that using up so much material will give away the project. They may build planets but they don't do it in secret, I don't have a problem with building planets as long as it costs in the high trillions to low quadrillions. My Cityships are much larger then planets and cost around 10 quadrillion a peice, but I'm a much larger nation and use more advanced tech so it costs me less on average. My point is is that it may be possible to transport all the material, just that much harder to keep it secret. Not only that but you will be using six different nations transportation schemes but also system of secrecy.

Of course, this will be in a QUITE remote, non-interesting place in the galaxy, so secrecy will be partially assured. Again, for the construction, note that Huntaer has some of the best shipyards in the galaxy, and it's obvious he can also build ships with a greater ease than most. Therefore, that will cut down the time it takes to build the Imperium.

The problem with remote is there are NO SHIPYARDS, or at least no big ones, out in remote sectors. That isn't how economy works so saying that Huntaer will have a huge shipyard lying around where no one else goes is ridiculous. If Huntaer uses SW tech then my shipyards are better, and it still takes them a painfully long time to build something like this. He will have to expand ANY shipyard he uses because none of the currently existing shipyards will be able to handle something 280 km in length. If you do this in secrecy then you will have to add on time for that, taking off at least as much time as Huntaers effeciency adds on. Your best bet would be to publicily annouce it and try and build it as fast as possible.

Huntaer will be getting involved with this project and I could easily handle it myself. Considering I have received funds of well over 2 quadrillion credits from my store fronts, and the fact I have 12 Naval Forge Worlds now, I could easily handle the project alone. Remember, a Forge World is a planet dedicated entirely to a single purpose whether it'd be constructing the Navy, Land Assault Vehicles, Droids, Clones, ect. Just 1 planet constucting a Navy could easily spit out several hundred ships (depending on size) a year.

With 12 Naval Forge worlds, a ship this size could be produce at an abnormaly fast rate.... With the appropriate amount of credits (with 2 quadrillion credits available, you could make a lot of stuff).

OOC: Have you really sold around 20 quadrillion at your storefront?

It will still take months, its nice that you have 12 Forge worlds, I have over a hundred Cityships each of which is larger then a Forge World and each have MUCH more industrial compacity (Read my Factbook before you say anything about that). Chaos Experiments has extensive shipyards as well and it still took him six months to make something half the size of your proposed ship, and we are Jan 2004 and Feb 2004 nations respectively. Your ship will take as long or longer to build then whatever we do.

OOC: Have you really sold around 20 quadrillion at your storefront?

It will still take months, its nice that you have 12 Forge worlds, I have over a hundred Cityships each of which is larger then a Forge World and each have MUCH more industrial compacity (Read my Factbook before you say anything about that). Chaos Experiments has extensive shipyards as well and it still took him six months to make something half the size of your proposed ship, and we are Jan 2004 and Feb 2004 nations respectively. Your ship will take as long or longer to build then whatever we do.

I WISH I have sold 20 quadrillion credits, but it was 2 quadrillion credits(still a heck of a lot of money). One guy purchased 2 star destroyer packages (at a price of ~950 trillion credits each) plus you add up all of the other prices from all of my past store fronts.

*Sigh.* An entire planet the size of earth is a forge world. I already have 2 the size of jupiter. Chaos Experiments ship yards are smaller than a planet thank you, so his production line would be slow. A WHOLE PLANET. Imagine an entire planet dedicated to constructing ships only. Ya know how the planet Courscant is one big city? Same idea, just one huge factory.

OOC: You do realize that only about 10% of the money you make at a storefront is profit, the rest goes to building the ships ordered and even 10% is rather high. So you got about 200 trillion or less from your storefront. If you are claiming to have two Jupiter sized construction facilites, not planets with stuff on them but giant Jupiter sized factories, then I'm going to ignore them. That is ridiculous for a nation your size, I could see someplace like Chronosia having that and it would be nearly the entirety of their production for ships. If its just the surface of the planet like Coruscant then I'm merely skeptical but will shrug it off and say that it balances off in the end.

OOC: You do realize that only about 10% of the money you make at a storefront is profit, the rest goes to building the ships ordered and even 10% is rather high. So you got about 200 trillion or less from your storefront. If you are claiming to have two Jupiter sized construction facilites, not planets with stuff on them but giant Jupiter sized factories, then I'm going to ignore them. That is ridiculous for a nation your size, I could see someplace like Chronosia having that and it would be nearly the entirety of their production for ships. If its just the surface of the planet like Coruscant then I'm merely skeptical but will shrug it off and say that it balances off in the end.

OOC: I probably should've been more specific because it is just the surface of the planet rather than including the core and whatnot. I doubt even if Chronosia (yes, I "know" him through the G.E.) has a construction yard like that, or anyone who is a member of the G.E. for that matter. Forge Worlds kind of come with a nation who does use IoM tech in them (infantry and Land Assault Vehicals for me).

OOC: Oh I have places like that. How do you think I have several thousand ships. Plus arming all my stalwart Space Marines :P

Takes alot to manage an Imperium which encompasses several systems.

OOC: Oh I have places like that. How do you think I have several thousand ships. Plus arming all my stalwart Space Marines :P

Takes alot to manage an Imperium which encompasses several systems.

OOC: Hmmm....gotta get me some of that Forge World stuff. I have dedicated shipyards, but entire Forge Worlds are beyond me right now. Of course, I have replicator tech, would replicator powered Forge Worlds make things overpowered?

OOC2: Apologies for anything resembling hijacking.

OOC: OK, the other point is that your Forge Worlds aren't a secret since its really hard to hide a forge World, just this side of impossible. If you did this on a Forge World it wouldn't be a secret, I'm not saying that you can't build it. Just that it will take a long time and be impossible to keep a secret. I have no doubt that Chronosia has something like this, they are, after all, a Apr 2003 nation with a Frightening eco. Just about the only type of nation that could build a Jupiter sized factory, even if only one.

OOC: Oh I have places like that. How do you think I have several thousand ships. Plus arming all my stalwart Space Marines :P

Takes alot to manage an Imperium which encompasses several systems.

*In palpatine style* Ah .... Good. So, the all mighty Chronosia does have jupiter size factories. BTW, are you also in on this little project?

OOC: If this was a secret IC from JS to Huntaer how would Chronosia know about this?

OOC: OK, the other point is that your Forge Worlds aren't a secret since its really hard to hide a forge World, just this side of impossible. If you did this on a Forge World it wouldn't be a secret, I'm not saying that you can't build it. Just that it will take a long time and be impossible to keep a secret. I have no doubt that Chronosia has something like this, they are, after all, a Apr 2003 nation with a Frightening eco. Just about the only type of nation that could build a Jupiter sized factory, even if only one.

Another point. But what about isolating the project, on the NFWs? Like, a few isolated spots on the planet dedicated to just making "normal" ISD style hulls, but then delivering them to someone like you, J.S. or someone we can trust? Besides, these are deep within Huntarain space and would be damn near impossible to reach. Any unauthorized ships will be shot down without questions. Even an registered officer (such as a Grand General or Grand Admiral) would have difficulties getting in if he/she isn't on the project.

OOC: If this was a secret IC from JS to Huntaer how would Chronosia know about this?

One could ask the same question to you... or New Dornalia for that matter.

OOC: This is all OOC, none of this I know IC. If you ask if Chronosia is participating in contruction etc then he has to know IC. How would the SD hull thing work?. I don't see what you're getting at here for a method of alternate construction.

For security, I'm not saying that a spy can come away with detailed blueprints and a construction schedual down to the last rivet. I'm saying that the massive amount of resources going to the same place will become rather obivous, it won't take a genius to figure out whats going on. It may takes NS months to years before this would be found out, I'm just saying that keeping it secret past the first few years will be practically impossible. About all that would be found out is that a really big ship is being made, beyond that it would be a godmod to know more without extensive RPing.

OOC: This is all OOC, none of this I know IC. If you ask if Chronosia is participating in contruction etc then he has to know IC. How would the SD hull thing work?. I don't see what you're getting at here for a method of alternate construction.

For security, I'm not saying that a spy can come away with detailed blueprints and a construction schedual down to the last rivet. I'm saying that the massive amount of resources going to the same place will become rather obivous, it won't take a genius to figure out whats going on. It may takes NS months to years before this would be found out, I'm just saying that keeping it secret past the first few years will be practically impossible. About all that would be found out is that a really big ship is being made, beyond that it would be a godmod to know more without extensive RPing.

The SW Galactic Empire managed to keep the Death Star secret for many years before testing it. you know how huge that thing was.

I WISH I have sold 20 quadrillion credits, but it was 2 quadrillion credits(still a heck of a lot of money). One guy purchased 2 star destroyer packages (at a price of ~950 trillion credits each) plus you add up all of the other prices from all of my past store fronts.

*Sigh.* An entire planet the size of earth is a forge world. I already have 2 the size of jupiter. Chaos Experiments ship yards are smaller than a planet thank you, so his production line would be slow. A WHOLE PLANET. Imagine an entire planet dedicated to constructing ships only. Ya know how the planet Courscant is one big city? Same idea, just one huge factory.

To be fair, the minimal roleplay I'm engaging in with my ship designer runs under the banner that he doesn't know how he does things. He can make ships of virtually any type rather quickly, time being appropriate to size of course, but he doesn't understand anything about how he does it, it just happens.

He doesn't even know where he is, seeing as the ships he makes kind of just appear somewhere near where he has in mind for them to go when he makes them.

But also to be fair, my old nation maintained shipyards roughly the size of the entire Jovian system as the main and largest one, but there were others of much more modest size scattered throughout the area.

OOC: I was wondering when you would bring that up, so I made a list. Oh, and the DS I was only 160 km in diameter versus the 280 km length of this ship.

SW GE Keeping the Death Star Secret

1. Kept secret only from own populous, and even then the Rebellion found out about it.

2. Millions of planets, not hundreds or dozens.

3. Did it in a secret place accepting the additional time and material penalties, still didn't keep it secret.

4. The resources of the Rebellion's intel is far outstripped by any one of many nations in FT.

5. The DS II was constructed by materials provided by the mafia, which could only do that because the Empire had millions of inhabitated planets.

6. The SW GE is the equivelent of a Jan 1999 or before nation.

OOC: I know nothing of this; just clarifying misconceptions about my nation :P
Retreating into the shadows now.

Not that this project isn't interesting;)

Points proven. C'mon Chrono. You know you'd like to join in the fun of a ship which would cause utter chaos....

OOC: true, but you'd have to find some plausible way of including me. Feel like having loose lips, Huntaer? :P

OOC: true, but you'd have to find some plausible way of including me. Feel like having loose lips, Huntaer? :P

IC:
Secret Encoded Transmission To: Chronosia
From: The Galactic Empire of Huntaer
Code Number: ******

We request for some help and material supply to help construct a massive starship to use against the Jedi. Feel free to participate.

END TRANSMISSION.

IC:

Secret encoded Reply to Huntaer

"We would be most interested. The resources of the Imperium are available to aid you, but we shall not without...Profit for us. We demand the plans"

IC:

Secret encoded Reply to Huntaer

"We would be most interested. The resources of the Imperium are available to aid you, but we shall not without...Profit for us. We demand the plans"

"Your profit would be the protection and use of the vessile between Joseph Seal, myself, and you. Send a military representative, such as a moff, grand admiral, govorner, ect. to provide for your command. Our goal will be to split the crew between our three nations. Should you actually agree to these terms, then the plans will be sent."

"Deal. We shall give you tech Priests, Space Marines, Imperial Guardsmen and a Commander to oversee the process"

*SECRET TRANSMISSION*

The nation of Joseph Seal is pleased that Huntaer will take part in this, along with Chronosia, and agrees to share the ship between the three of us. We will be sending Admiral Sokinaru and our top techs and guards, once Sokinaru completes his mission in the Panteran incident.

-Arfus Sealous: Emperor of Joseph Seal

*END SECRET TRANSMISSION*

OOC: Unless one of you objects will anyone mind if, since Huntaer has conceded the secrecy point, that I 'discover' this on Wednesday if you start building today or two RL days after you start building?

OOC: Well, the question is, how will you react?

*SECRET TRANSMISSION TO HUNTAER AND CHRONOSIA*

Admiral Sokinaru and the required techs and guards are currently en route to the secret location as we speak.

*END SECRET TRANSMISSION TO HUNTAER AND CHRONOSIA*