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The Charlatan-class Spacecraft

[Project Background]

With the rise of highly-advanced space technology in a number of Halberdgardia's allies, and the increased funding and subsequent importance of the Halberdgardian Space Agency (HSA), there were growing calls for Halberdgardia to join its fellow nations of the world in reaching out to the stars. The HSA had previously looked at acquiring foreign-made spacecraft to jump-start its Interstellar Exploratory Division (IED), but no suitable models could be found. Therefore, the HSA appealed to the Senate for increased funding, and made the ambitious plan for the designing of a Halberdgardian-made exploratory spacecraft the agency's flagship project. The Senate allocated trillions of dollars of additional funds to the HSA to fund this project, and after nearly thirty years of breakneck research and development in a slew of fields ranging from quantum computing to artificial intelligence to advanced quantum physics to nanotechnology, the first Charlatan-class exploratory spacecraft was completed, named the D.R.H. Second Chance.

[Hull Construction and Armor]

The Charlatan's hull consists of two main parts: the life-support section, and the engines. The life-support section, which is where all the crew facilities are located, consists of a large, fifty-meter-thick vonBraun wheel three-hundred meters in diameter. This wheel rotates at a constant speed to provide approximately .2 Earth gravities along its rim. The FTL and plasma engines are located in a cylinder four-hundred meters long and one-hundred-fifty meters in diameter in the center of the space of the wheel. The two hull components are connected by eight reinforced struts, each of which are twenty meters thick; the four so-called "cardinal" struts (those at the north, south, east, and west positions if you face the craft from the front) contain accessways from the habitation areas to the engineering sections. The entire hull is constructed of an enzyme-bonded titanium-hyperfilament alloy.

Hyperfilament is an artificial material made with zero-gravity nanotechnology processes, and has a pseudo-one-dimensional diamond crystal structure, consisting of mainly carbon and some other trace elements in carefully-controlled amounts. It can only be mass-produced in a zero-gravity environment, where there is nothing to interfere with the growth process. Its tensile strength far outstrips that of diamond, and it has been theorized by some that hyperfilament is the strongest material that can exist.

In addition to the heavy armor plating on the hull, the Charlatan is also protected by a four-tiered system of energy and particle shields. The outermost particle shield protects the craft from micrometeorite and debris impacts and kinetic weapons, the energy shield underneath it protects against radiation and energy weapons, and there two redundant shields underneath those, one of each type. These shields are powered by seven powerful dedicated generators, which provides a great deal of additional redundancy for the defense system.

[Armament]

Though the Charlatan is primarily an exploration craft, it does have some armament, to protect against pirates or other hostile forces. The Charlatan boasts two powerful particle lances (each rated at approximately 15 terajoules), which are mounted side-by-side in the center of the front face of the fore end of the engine cylinder, and six ion cannons (each rated at approximately 10 terajoules), which are mounted at intervals on the wheel. The ion cannons can be fired individually or together in a concentrated beam of ion fire. The Charlatan can additionally carry a complement of one dozen high-yield nuclear missiles.

[Sensors and Electronics]

The Charlatan has a highly advanced sensor suite, the main component of which is the hysradar. The hysradar works on the principle of using hyperaccelerated gravity waves the same way an Earth-based radar uses radio waves. However, as can be expected from such advanced technology, the hysradar provides a far more detailed analysis of detected objects than an Earth-based radar does; however, like an Earth-based radar, this is also determinant on the skill of the operator. The hysradar has an effective range of approximately one-thousand AUs. In addition to the hysradar, the Charlatan boasts a wide suite of radiation, molecular, and biological sensors.

In addition to the sensor suite, the Charlatan also has a complement of one dozen Armstrong-class unmanned probes, which have sophisticated sensor suites in their own right, and are capable of performing reconnaissance on the surface of planets with a wide variety of climates and conditions.

All electronic systems of the Charlatan are nominally controlled by the ship's restricted intelligence (RI), one of the results of the breakthroughs in extensive Halberdgardian research into artificial intelligences. The RI is fitted with specially programmed inhibitors to prevent it from denying control of the craft to its human counterparts, as well as to prevent it from seeking its own goals. Despite this, it is nevertheless a powerful AI that is fully integrated with all the Charlatan's systems, and manages the craft far beyond human efficiency. The human crew members, and particularly the bridge crew, are fitted with a variety of biotech implants, including memorycells, retinal inserts, and quantum processors that augment the body's neural processes. This allows for more efficient human-to-RI interaction.

[Propulsion]

The Charlatan is primarily powered by fifteen massive niling d-sinks. Niling d-sinks are the product of vast amounts of Halberdgardian research into the field of advanced quantum physics. They are artificially-created "sink holes" in space used to store vast amounts of energy, which are contained using manipulations of the quantum field; they have far greater amounts of potential energy than even the most advanced cold fusion reactor in use by Halberdgardia today. There are, however, three fusion reactors on board to serve as back-up power supplies.

The Charlatan utilizes five simple plasma engines for sublight travel, powered by a reactant fluid, usually hydrogen, but ammonia and other compounds, even water, can work, though at the cost of reduced efficiency.

For FTL travel, the Charlatan utilizes a powerful wormhole generator, powered by the niling d-sinks. The manipulation of space-time via wormholes is yet another product of Halberdgardian research into the field of advanced quantum physics. It allows the Charlatan to cover vast distances of space in negligible time. The RI is primarily responsible for solving the vast range of mathematical calculations required for each jump, and for managing the exotic matter and energies associated with the jump. The Charlatan's fifteen niling d-sinks give the wormhole generator an effective range of seven thousand light-years.

[Crew]

The Charlatan has a crew of one-hundred-twenty, thirty of which are exploratory and scientific personnel; the other ninety make up the bridge crew and maintenance personnel.

[Vital Statistics]

Length: 400 meters
Width: 300 meters
Armor: Enzyme-bonded titanium-hyperfilament alloy: average of 10 meters; 20 meters around critical components (approximate RHA value of 500m average, 1000m around critical components); four-tiered particle/energy shield system, powered by seven dedicated generators, rated at 300 terajoules
Armament: 2 15-terajoule particle lances (.25-sec. cycle rate), 6 10-terajoule ion cannons (.25-sec. cycle rate), 12 high-yield 75-megaton nuclear missiles
Sensors: Hysradar and radiation, molecular, biological sensors; range of 1000 AUs
Propulsion: 5 plasma engines, one wormhole generator; range of 7000 light-years
Power Plant: 15 high-capacity niling d-sinks, three back-up cold fusion reactors
Crew: 120 personnel; 30 exploratory/scientific personnel, 90 ops/maintenance personnel
Estimated Cost to Build: Due to the large amount of experience gained by Halberdgardia's orbital shipyards in the construction of the vessels of the initial production run, the construction process has become vastly more efficient and substantially more streamlined, allowing new Charlatans to be built at a cost of $90 billion per vessel.

[Additional Information]

A smaller, more heavily armed and armored variant of the Charlatan, designated the Vespir-class cruiser, is also being manufactured for the new Halberdgardian Space Navy (HSN). The Vespir lacks the Charlatan's scientific facilities, as it is purely a military vessel. Major differences on the Vespir include:


Twenty high-capacity niling d-sinks (as opposed the Charlatan's fifteen), five back-up fusion reactors (as opposed to the Charlatan's three)
Six-tiered system of more powerful shields, powered by twelve dedicated generators
Thicker armor, with an armor thickness increase of ten meters around both the hull and critical components
Six plasma engines (as opposed to the Charlatan's five)
A more powerful FTL engine (with an effective range of nearly ten thousand light-years)
Upgraded sensor suite (range of two-thousand AUs)
Additional weapons: five plasma lances, each rated at 30 terajoules (mounted at the NW, NE, SW, SE positions of the fore end of the engine cylinder, and one at the center of the front face of the fore end of the engine cylinder); a dozen ion cannons, each rated at 25 terajoules (mounted at intervals along the wheel); four 200mm fixed railguns, and eight 100mm turreted railguns; three dozen high-yield nuclear missiles (launchers located at the W and E positions, just forward of amidships, on the engine cylinder)


[Railguns]

Fitted exclusively on the domestic Vespir, railguns make a somewhat odd, but effective addition to the other energy-based armaments of the craft. The Vespir mounts twelve railguns: four massive 200mm railguns, one at each of the cardinal positions at the fore end of the engine cylinder, and eight 100mm turreted railguns, placed at compass intervals (one railgun at "N", "S", "E", "W", "NW", "NE", "SW", "SE" positions) around the wheel.

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The 100mm Turreted Railgun

Railguns are simple enough in concept; make a round from a highly conductive, but dense metal (relatively inexpensive ones are copper and gold), and place it between two rails (one a cathode, the other an anode). Charge the rails with a homopolar generator, and there you have it: one super-high-speed metal round. First developed by Sir Marcus Oliphant as a scientific instrument in the 20th century, the railgun has now been adopted for military use. This turreted version fires caseless 100mm rounds, and is primarily used for fighter and missile defense.

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The 200mm Railgun

The 200mm railgun is the mother of all railguns. It looks like nothing less than a deck gun from an ancient Earth ocean-going warship. Firing caseless ammunition in the form of a 200mm copper/cadmium round, the electrode rails that propel the rounds are so powerful that the rounds are guaranteed to cause devastating damage against any virtually any opponent.

[Vespir-class Statistics:]

Length: 350 meters
Width: 250 meters
Armor: Enzyme-bonded titanium-hyperfilament alloy: average of 20 meters, 30 meters around critical components (approximate RHA values of 1000m average, 1500m around critical components); six-tiered particle/energy shield system, powered by twelve generators, rated at 500 terajoules
Armament: 5 30-terajoule particle lances (.5-sec. cycle rate), 12 25-terajoule ion cannons (.5-sec. cycle rate), 4 200mm railguns, 8 100mm turreted railguns, 36 high-yield 75-megaton nuclear missiles
Sensors: Hysradar and radiation, molecular, biological sensors; range of 2000 AUs
Propulsion: 6 plasma engines, one wormhole generator; range of 10,000 light-years
Power Plant: 20 high-capacity niling d-sinks, five back-up cold fusion reactors
Crew: 150 personnel; 100 ops/maintenance personnel, 50 Marines
Estimated Cost to Build: Due to the large amount of experience gained by Halberdgardia's orbital shipyards in the construction of the vessels of the initial production run, the construction process has become vastly more efficient and substantially more streamlined, allowing new Vespirs to be built at a cost of $110 billion per vessel.



The initial production run for these craft was twenty-four Vespir-class cruisers and eleven Charlatan-class exploratory vessels. This brings the current total number of vessels in the HSN to thirty-six, including the D.R.H. Second Chance.

The vessels of the initial production run are as follows:

Vespir-class Cruisers

D.R.H. Adamantine
D.R.H. Adjudicator
D.R.H. Avenger
D.R.H. Conqueror
D.R.H. Courageous
D.R.H. Devastator
D.R.H. Eviscerator
D.R.H. Firestorm
D.R.H. Fury
D.R.H. Glory
D.R.H. Hammerblow
D.R.H. Intimidator
D.R.H. Intrepid
D.R.H. Majestic
D.R.H. Nemesis
D.R.H. Peremptory
D.R.H. Predator
D.R.H. Punisher
D.R.H. Reckoning
D.R.H. Redoubtable
D.R.H. Stormhawk
D.R.H. Valiant
D.R.H. Vengeance
D.R.H. Vigilant


Charlatan-class Exploratory Vessels/Light Cruisers

D.R.H. [I]Allegiance
D.R.H. Emancipator
D.R.H. Freedom
D.R.H. Grey Wolf
D.R.H. Independence
D.R.H. Liberty
D.R.H. Liberator
D.R.H. Red Claw
D.R.H. Relentless
D.R.H. Second Chance
D.R.H. Vendetta
D.R.H. Wolf’s Claw


[Export]

Unfortunately, due to the wide range of advanced, and in some cases, classified, technologies employed in the building of the Charlatan-class and Vespir-class spacecraft as used by the Halberdgardian Space Navy, they will be not available for export.

However, the Halberdgardian Space Navy is pleased to announce that slightly downgraded export versions have been designed, and that are they are now available for purchase on the open market.


Please note that due to the nature of the advanced technology in these vessels, background checks will be performed on all prospective customers.
Customers are requested to kindly do their own math when ordering.
All payment must be made up front. We do not do loans, so if you need one, you must go through a third-party.
Stealing design elements is way below the belt, so all export craft have been equipped with self-destruct devices that will be triggered if you attempt to reverse-engineer any component(s) of the vessel. If you are caught stealing design elements (basically, using them without my explicit permission), you will be blacklisted and forbidden from buying any Halberdgardian products.
Production rights will only be sold to allies.
Allies will receive a ten-percent discount.
Large orders (15 craft or more) will receive a ten-percent discount.
Frequent buyers (three orders or more) will receive a five-percent discount.


Charlatan-class Exploratory Spacecraft/Light Cruiser -- Export Variant

Length: 400 meters
Width: 300 meters
Armor: Enzyme-bonded titanium-hyperfilament alloy: average of 7.5 meters; 12.5 meters around critical components (approximate RHA value of 375m average, 625m around critical components); four-tiered particle/energy shield system, powered by seven dedicated generators, rated at 250 terajoules
Armament: 2 12-terajoule particle lances (.25-sec. cycle rate), 6 8-terajoule ion cannons (.25-sec. cycle rate), 2 missile launchers (6-missile magazine for each)
Sensors: Hysradar and radiation, molecular, biological sensors; range of 1000 AUs
Propulsion: 5 plasma engines, one wormhole generator; range of 5,000 light-years
Power Plant: 15 high-capacity niling d-sinks, three back-up cold fusion reactors
Crew: 120 personnel; 30 exploratory/scientific personnel, 90 ops/maintenance personnel
Export-Variant Restrictions: No RI (client must install their own AI if they wish to have one)
Estimated Cost to Build:
Cost: $110 billion
Production Rights: $2.5 trillion

Vespir-class Cruiser -- Export Variant

Length: 350 meters
Width: 250 meters
Armor: Enzyme-bonded titanium-hyperfilament alloy: average of 12.5 meters, 20 meters around critical components (approximate RHA values of 625m average, 1000m around critical components); six-tiered particle/energy shield system, powered by twelve generators, rated at 350 terajoules
Armament: 5 15-terajoule particle lances (.5-sec. cycle rate), 12 12-terajoule ion cannons (.5-sec. cycle rate), 2 missile launchers (18-missile magazine for each)
Sensors: Hysradar and radiation, molecular, biological sensors; range of 2000 AUs
Propulsion: 6 plasma engines, one wormhole generator; range of 9,000 light-years
Power Plant: 20 high-capacity niling d-sinks, five back-up cold fusion reactors
Crew: 150 personnel; 100 ops/maintenance personnel, 50 Marines
Export-Variant Restrictions: No RI (client must install their own AI if they wish to have one), no railguns
Cost: $130 billion
Production Rights: $3 trillion

[Sales to Date]

Total Sales to Date: $34,414,000,000,000.00

[OOC: This is my debut as a designer; comments/constructive criticism are welcome. I borrowed heavily on most of these concepts and technologies from Peter F. Hamilton's novel Pandora's Star; the hyperfilament, however, came from Arthur C. Clarke's The Fountains of Paradise, and the railguns were stolen from the video game Escape Velocity: Nova (http://www.ambrosiasw.com/games/evn/).]

Bump for comments.

[OOC: Is this future tech or modern tech?]

OOC: This is most definitely future tech. Although it could be seen as rather crude compared to other FT ships, my country views it as the most highly advanced piece of technology we have.

A bump before bed. Comments are welcome, people! If a few FT ship designers could weigh in on this, that'd be great.

A bump for the morning. Comments are good! Really!

OOC: Seems well thought out, nicely done, only thing I'm concerned with is your armor seems very thick. That would cost alot.

OOC: Seems well thought out, nicely done, only thing I'm concerned with is your armor seems very thick. That would cost alot.

OOC: That is true, but you have to keep in mind that if the shields fail, the armor is the only other line of defense. But, looking at the figures again, perhaps the armor could be thinned somewhat. With a meter being approximately 3 feet...yeah, I'll fix the armor.

EDIT: Fixed the armor; the Charlatan now has an average armor thickness of 10 meters, with 20 meters around critical components. The Vespir has an average of 20 meters, with 30 meters around critical components.

EDIT2: Also, I wanted to ask you about the price. I might open the ship up for export when I'm done building my own fleet. By the end of that time (maybe as long as 10 NS years, we'll see), I think I can plausibly lower the cost-to-build figure, citing our new experience with zero-G construction. However, even if I halve the price, $100 billion is still a big pill to swallow, and I'm going to want to sell this ship at a profit, too. Is the cost to build too high? And if not, would anyone actually be willing to buy this ship for $100 billion ($115 billion for the Vespir)?

OOC: Nice on the armor now, the price is okay too, I think, because look at it this way: Some MT ships cost alot, I've seen up to $45 billion. For a ship this much more advanced, it's alright.

OOC: Nice on the armor now, the price is okay too, I think, because look at it this way: Some MT ships cost alot, I've seen up to $45 billion. For a ship this much more advanced, it's alright.

OOC: There are MT naval dreadnaughts and super-dreadnaughts that are $100 billion and above, so I know there are ships priced that high. But my concern is that someone will look at this ship and think, "Why the hell would I buy one of these if I can go out and get a dreadnaught...?" and then go out and buy a dreadnaught. Meh. Whatever. I'll open the ship up for export when I'm done with my fleet, cite an improved cost-to-build figure of somewhere around $80-90 billion/ship, and charge $100 billion or so.

ooc: engineering and life-suport section..hmm....you could use this pick if you think it fits the image you made about it:
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OOC: Thank you, but that's a bit more ST than I want. The basic structure of the Charlatan is a large cylinder with the engines in the center, connected to the crew habitation areas, which are in a massive, hollow, rotating wheel, by eight struts. The Vespir is the same design, but slightly smaller, and there is less space between the wheel and the cylinder.

OOC: Thank you, but that's a bit more ST than I want. The basic structure of the Charlatan is a large cylinder with the engines in the center, connected to the crew habitation areas, which are in a massive, hollow, rotating wheel, by eight struts. The Vespir is the same design, but slightly smaller, and there is less space between the wheel and the cylinder.

ooc: got it...unfortunately i didnt see pics like those around...good luck with the ship...hmm...maybe the vulcan kind?

ooc: got it...unfortunately i didnt see pics like those around...good luck with the ship...hmm...maybe the vulcan kind?

OOC: Thank you much! If you know any other FT designers, please refer them to this thread. I'm trying to get as much input on this as I can, so I can fine-tune the design as much as possible.

I will by 15 and would like to ask Halberdgardia if you can move to the region "The Allied Planets of Cravious" the password is ally and your friend Joseph Seal is there to.

OOC: Sorry, but I'm happy in my current region right now. Thank you, though.

OOC2: Export section updated.

IC:

Unfortunately, the Charlatan- and Vespir-class spacecraft are not available for export at this time. Slightly downgraded export versions of both classes are in the process of being designed, but these will not be released for some time yet. We appreciate your interest, however, and will inform you as soon as the craft come onto the market.

OOC: Hal, do you have any type of IM or MSN? I would like to get in touch with you.

OOC: Hal, do you have any type of IM or MSN? I would like to get in touch with you.

OOC: Yes, I have AIM and MSN, but my copy of Trillian is on the fritz, so to speak, and I'm currently trying to work a fix. You'd probably be better off just TGing me, I check them somewhat frequently.

OOC2: Railgun description added to the Vespir-class description.

First note:

As shielding is quite important in ships these days, I think I'd like to see a bit more development in this area. Such as the power ratings of the shields, what can they withstand, and the like. I applaud the redundancy to the power generation, although, it seems that with the number of reactors that you placed in there, and the level of sophistication that they have, you're going to have quite some maintenance issues. More than 80 some crew can properly maintain, and with only 40 of them working on it, you might have some issues.

First note:

As shielding is quite important in ships these days, I think I'd like to see a bit more development in this area. Such as the power ratings of the shields, what can they withstand, and the like. I applaud the redundancy to the power generation, although, it seems that with the number of reactors that you placed in there, and the level of sophistication that they have, you're going to have quite some maintenance issues. More than 80 some crew can properly maintain, and with only 40 of them working on it, you might have some issues.

OOC: Thanks for weighing in; I know you're one of the big FT guys around NS, and I'm glad to have your advice on this. First off, the crew level was an semi-educated guess, based on the size of the ship, because the book I based these ships off of didn't specify the total number of crew (or if it did, I didn't catch it; it's a huge book). What would you recommend for the crew? 120?

For the shields, I specifically refrained from going into the power ratings and such, because the book itself didn't go into much detail on the shielding (again, it's a massive book, so I could have missed it). Thus, I based it on the generic particle/energy shield configuration, with some redundancy built in for good measure. Again, any recommendations you could provide on specific power ratings would be much appreciated.

OOC EDIT: OK, I'm going to up the crew to 120 on the Charlatan, and 150 on the Vespir (should I make it bigger if it's going to have a crew of 150?), but I'll leave the shields alone until I hear back from Kyanges on them.

OOC: Added more railguns to the Vespir, and way upped the energy ratings for the particle lances and ion cannons on both variants. I was thinking that 1 TJ was a little weak, especially when there are energy shields out there measuring in the hundreds or thousands of TJs. Also made some minor edits regarding wording in the section on the hull, the positions of weapons mountings on both craft, and minor wording changes in the sections on propulsion, additional information, and railguns.

OOC: Thanks for weighing in; I know you're one of the big FT guys around NS, and I'm glad to have your advice on this. First off, the crew level was an semi-educated guess, based on the size of the ship, because the book I based these ships off of didn't specify the total number of crew (or if it did, I didn't catch it; it's a huge book). What would you recommend for the crew? 120?

For the shields, I specifically refrained from going into the power ratings and such, because the book itself didn't go into much detail on the shielding (again, it's a massive book, so I could have missed it). Thus, I based it on the generic particle/energy shield configuration, with some redundancy built in for good measure. Again, any recommendations you could provide on specific power ratings would be much appreciated.

OOC EDIT: OK, I'm going to up the crew to 120 on the Charlatan, and 150 on the Vespir (should I make it bigger if it's going to have a crew of 150?), but I'll leave the shields alone until I hear back from Kyanges on them.

Yess, I do think that you should up the size of this Vespir... About the power rating, I suggest that you assign a power rating that best suits the purpose of the shields. So your particle shileds which deflect meterites and the like should have a good power rating for that purpose.

What is also recommended would to have shields that can stand up to your own weapons. So since your weapons are 6-10 TJ, your shields should obviously have a rating higher than that.

My shields have have a rating upwards of 270 TJs. Our reactor is rated 4*10^30 power.

OOC: I edited some things before I saw your post; fixed the energy ratings on the weapons of both variants (originally had them upped to low petajoule ratings!) and added cycle rate, and added approximate energy ratings for shields and RHA values of armor. I think they're OK, having finally found some other somewhat similar FT specs to use as comparison.

The export variants of the Charlatan and Vespir are now available! See the Export section of the technical report for more details. We are now taking orders for anyone interested in these vessels.

A bump before bed. (Heh, an alliteration...)

Orders are welcome!

Good-morning bump. Orders are being taken! We eagerly await our first customer.

EDIT: So that it might be easier for any prospective customers to look at the export variants of our spacecraft at a glance, we have copied them here:

[Export]

Unfortunately, due to the wide range of advanced, and in some cases, classified, technologies employed in the building of the Charlatan-class and Vespir-class spacecraft as used by the Halberdgardian Space Navy, they will be not available for export.

However, the Halberdgardian Space Navy is pleased to announce that slightly downgraded export versions have been designed, and that are they are now available for purchase on the open market.


Please note that due to the nature of the advanced technology in these vessels, background checks will be performed on all prospective customers.
Customers are requested to kindly do their own math when ordering.
Stealing design elements is way below the belt, so all export craft have been equipped with self-destruct devices that will be triggered if you attempt to reverse-engineer any component(s) of the vessel. If you are caught stealing design elements (basically, using them without my explicit permission), you will be blacklisted and forbidden from buying any Halberdgardian products.
Production rights will only be sold to allies.
Allies will receive a ten-percent discount.
Large orders (15 craft or more) will receive a ten-percent discount.
Frequent buyers (three orders or more) will receive a five-percent discount.


Charlatan-class Exploratory Spacecraft/Light Cruiser -- Export Variant

Length: 400 meters
Width: 300 meters
Armor: Enzyme-bonded titanium-hyperfilament alloy: average of 7.5 meters; 12.5 meters around critical components (approximate RHA value of 75m average, 125m around critical components); four-tiered particle/energy shield system, powered by seven dedicated generators, rated at 250 terajoules
Armament: 2 12-terajoule particle lances (.25-sec. cycle rate), 6 8-terajoule ion cannons (.25-sec. cycle rate), 2 missile launchers (6-missile magazine for each)
Sensors: Hysradar and radiation, molecular, biological sensors; range of 1000 AUs
Propulsion: 5 plasma engines, one wormhole generator; range of 5,000 light-years
Power Plant: 15 high-capacity niling d-sinks, three back-up cold fusion reactors
Crew: 120 personnel; 30 exploratory/scientific personnel, 90 ops/maintenance personnel
Export-Variant Restrictions: No RI (client must install their own AI if they wish to have one)
Cost: $110 billion

Vespir-class Cruiser -- Export Variant

Length: 350 meters
Width: 250 meters
Armor: Enzyme-bonded titanium-hyperfilament alloy: average of 12.5 meters, 20 meters around critical components (approximate RHA values of 125m average, 200m around critical components); six-tiered particle/energy shield system, powered by twelve generators, rated at 350 terajoules
Armament: 5 15-terajoule particle lances (.5-sec. cycle rate), 12 12-terajoule ion cannons (.5-sec. cycle rate), 4 200mm railguns, 8 100mm turreted railguns, 2 missile launchers (18-missile magazine for each)
Sensors: Hysradar and radiation, molecular, biological sensors; range of 2000 AUs
Propulsion: 6 plasma engines, one wormhole generator; range of 9,000 light-years
Power Plant: 20 high-capacity niling d-sinks, five back-up cold fusion reactors
Crew: 150 personnel; 100 ops/maintenance personnel, 50 Marines
Export-Variant Restrictions: No RI (client must install their own AI if they wish to have one), no railguns
Cost: $130 billion

(OOC: I'd like to know how the auto-destruct will be able to differentiate between trying to repair something, and reverse engineering...)

(OOC: I'd like to know how the auto-destruct will be able to differentiate between trying to repair something, and reverse engineering...)

OOC: It's a generic "magical if-you-steal-my-design-elements-the-ship-blows-up" self-destruct device. ;)

OOC: It's a generic "magical if-you-steal-my-design-elements-the-ship-blows-up" self-destruct device. ;)

(OOC: Lol, fair enough.)

How much will 50 full-equipped spacecrafts cost me.

OOC:

Any chance we will get to see an image of what this ship looks like?

How much will 50 full-equipped spacecrafts cost me.

The Democratic Republic of Halberdgardia is pleased that you have taken an interest in our spacecraft. However, we would like to clarify a few things.

Firstly, the cost is dependent on which class of craft you choose, the Charlatan, or the Vespir. [OOC: And at any rate, you're really supposed to be doing your own math.]

Secondly, as "fully-equipped", do you mean without the export restrictions? If so, we are afraid to say that this cannot be done; we are not selling the domestic variants of either of these craft. However, the export variants are still fine craft, so do not be discouraged.

Thirdly, we are wondering if you can, in fact, actually afford fifty of either of these craft. However, having reviewed the large sums of money you have made selling planets to other powers, we somewhat hesitantly accept the fact that you can afford fifty spacecraft.

OOC:

Any chance we will get to see an image of what this ship looks like?

OOC: If I can find someone with enough artistic ability to interpret the description of the craft into a reasonable good computer graphic, then yes, you will get to see it (eventually). If not, well...that's what your imagination's for. ;)

OOC: I'm a planet tycoon. I should make a board game called planetopoly. LOL


Well one your like a car salesmen except with something bigger, stronger, and with lasers so you should tell me the consumer the price. And on another note in your own opinion which craft do you think is best fit in Defence and attack and which do you think is better in speed?

OOC: I'm a planet tycoon. I should make a board game called planetopoly. LOL


Well one your like a car salesmen except with something bigger, stronger, and with lasers so you should tell me the consumer the price. And on another note in your own opinion which craft do you think is best fit in Defence and attack and which do you think is better in speed?

OOC: I'm going to assume that was all OOC, so I'll answer it OOCly.

First off, I don't really see myself as a car-salesman type, more like a, uh, salesman. The price is fixed as is (there are certain discounts, of course, but that's not the point); I'm not going to haggle over the price.

As for which craft is better in defense and attack and speed...I'd have to say the Vespir is better in all of those categories, because it's a military craft. However, this doesn't mean you shouldn't buy Charlatans, especially if you're going to go out and explore for new planets for your business. The Vespir is a faster, better-armed and -armored craft, but lacks the Charlatan's sophisticated scientific facilities and unmanned probes necessary for scouting out new planets.

Fair enough I will split it down the middle I will take 25 Charlatans and 25 Vespirs. And I might be able to sell you some planets.

Fair enough I will split it down the middle I will take 25 Charlatans and 25 Vespirs. And I might be able to sell you some planets.

OOC: Since you're my first customer, I'll let you get away with not doing your own math.

IC:

The Democratic Republic of Halberdgardia is pleased to be able to confirm the nation of Zactarn Prime's order of 25 Charlatan-class exploratory spacecraft and 25 Vespir-class cruisers. The total cost comes out to $6,000,000,000,000 ($6 trillion) before the ten-percent discount for large orders, and comes out to $5,400,000,000,000 ($5.4 trillion) after the discount. Construction will begin as soon as we receive payment. As this is a large order, it will take approximately 7 NS years to complete.

Done deal I will be sending a transport ship full of laborers over to help build the order. It should be there in about 10 minutes with the money

Bumpity-bumpity-bump for more sales.

OOC: Working on a pic cause I'm such a kind person. 1 question, is the habitat wheel area vertical or horizontal?

Halberdgardia it is good to see you are just as successful into your forays into space as we are. Leafanistani Offworld Works on the Green System as we call it has just begun mining the various elements we need to start a good offworld shipyard. So far our own domestic works at full speed have only produced a few frigates and destroyers using similar sheild devices, and we desperatly need ships to reinforce our border regions. Your spacecraft has met our design needs and the similar technology employed shall be useful in helping to maintain these ships.

Lets get to business, we are placing an order for 12 of each ship coming to a total of 2.88 trillion USD. After allied discount it is 2.592 trillion USD, though we aren't sure a 24 ship order also overlaps with the large order discount. We'd also like to assist you in building these ships and wouldn't mind sending specialists and general labourers to assist you in your shipyards. We'd also wouldn't mind if we purchase production rights for both ships for an additional 5 trillion USD, we'll pay the 5 trillion over the next 4 years if that is all right.

Following normal procedure half the money has been sent now the rest will be sent after delivery.

OOC: Working on a pic cause I'm such a kind person. 1 question, is the habitat wheel area vertical or horizontal?

OOC: I appreciate your help! I think I'll get more sales if people have a picture to look at. I'll try and do a rough sketch of the ship here, using dashes and such. This is the side view, where the dashes represent the engine cylinder, and the vertical lines are the wheel:


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Again, many, many thanks for your assistance!

Halberdgardia it is good to see you are just as successful into your forays into space as we are. Leafanistani Offworld Works on the Green System as we call it has just begun mining the various elements we need to start a good offworld shipyard. So far our own domestic works at full speed have only produced a few frigates and destroyers using similar sheild devices, and we desperatly need ships to reinforce our border regions. Your spacecraft has met our design needs and the similar technology employed shall be useful in helping to maintain these ships.

Lets get to business, we are placing an order for 12 of each ship coming to a total of 2.88 trillion USD. After allied discount it is 2.592 trillion USD, though we aren't sure a 24 ship order also overlaps with the large order discount. We'd also like to assist you in building these ships and wouldn't mind sending specialists and general labourers to assist you in your shipyards. We'd also wouldn't mind if we purchase production rights for both ships for an additional 5 trillion USD, we'll pay the 5 trillion over the next 4 years if that is all right.

Following normal procedure half the money has been sent now the rest will be sent after delivery.

The Democratic Republic of Halberdgardia thanks its esteemed ally, the Glorious Republic of Leafanistan, for their kind words. We would be most pleased to assist in the supplying of your space navy, and are honored that you have chosen our Charlatan- and Vespir-class vessels.

We are pleased to confirm your order for twelve Charlatan-class exploratory spacecraft and twelve Vespir-class cruisers. This does overlap the large-order discount, so, combined with your ally discount, the final price is $2,304,000,000,000. Additionally, we are pleased to confirm your order of the production rights for both craft for $5,000,000,000,000, to be paid over the next four years. As this is a large order to fulfill, the last vessel will be delivered to you in 5 NS years. We thank you for purchasing from us.

Me and Vespetrium Minor have mergered and I want 100 Vespir's and 100 Charlatans

OOC: OK, the first order I could do because I knew you made a bunch of cash off selling planets, but this is kind of ridiculous. I'd be willing to sell them to you on two conditions: 1.) bring Vespeterium here with proof that you have enough cash to buy them and 2.) please, please, PLEASE DO YOUR OWN MATH. I am not your calculator.

OK look at the Zactarn Prime Planet Selling Real Estate thread for proof and 2 I have a calculator but your not consumer friendly

This is his thread, unveiling his spacecraft, and he shouldn't feel obligated to do the math for those that have the means to do it themselves. Google even has a great calculator, just type in the numbers and their respective functions (+, -, *, or /) and hit enter and it'll give you the outcome. It's what I always use when I visit storefronts. Most storefronts require to do your own math, so get used to it.

I already did the math thank you very much. It came out to 24 Trillion as I ordered 25 of each earlier which cane out to 6 trillion and since I ordered 100 of each this time i multiplied 6 trillion by 4 and got 24 trillion.




OOC:That was all in my head to!!

OK look at the Zactarn Prime Planet Selling Real Estate thread for proof and 2 I have a calculator but your not consumer friendly

OOC: I checked that thread (I believe this (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=429044&page=1&pp=15) is the one you are speaking of) and the only transaction I saw occur in that thread was VM paying you $7 trillion for your "planet-cloning technology." That may or may not be enough to pay for your order, but as I'm not going to do your math (I was nice and did it he first time, but not again), I don't know. And Tannenmille is right: virtually every single storefront in II requires the customer to do their own math.

OOC EDIT: Thank you for doing your own math this time. Unfortunately, I doubt you can pay for the order you have requested, as it appears from that thread that you have only made $7 trillion.

but i made 700 Trillion yesterday by selling a planet to Huntaer for his cause in destroying the Jedi scum

but i made 700 Trillion yesterday by selling a planet to Huntaer for his cause in destroying the Jedi scum

OOC: Link, please? If you show me this, I will happily confirm your order.

ask him if i sold him a planet he will tell you because i dont know if i have the link

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=428638&page=1


there is your link

ask him if i sold him a planet he will tell you because i dont know if i have the link

OOC EDIT: Well, looks like you have 100 trillion, which is more than enough for your order.

IC:

After a long delay due to required background checks, the Democratic Republic is pleased to confirm your order for 100 Charlatan-class exploratory vessels and 100 Vespir-class cruisers. Due to the massive number of vessels that must be produced, we are expecting to have the final unit delivered to you within 20 NS years. The total cost of your order, with the large-order discount, comes out to $21,600,000,000,000. Construction will begin as soon as payment is received.

did you go to the link http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=428638&page=1

OOC: Yes, see above post for the edit.

We have sent the money and it will arrive in 22.775 minutes

Bumpage.

WHAT THE...?!

<<bump>>

...Oh, it's just another bump. Damn things breed like cockroaches...

Halberdgardia please look at the Zactarn Prime Military Storefront thread and reply to any items you like and please comment on them

OOC: Please don't threadjack.

I'm envisioning something that looks somewhat like this:

http://thecomputerman.dyndns.biz/fleet/fleet/others/charlatan.jpg

OOC: Tekania, you rule. :D

OOC: Tekania, you rule. :D

If you like the basic layout; I'll start revamping the unit with the weapon systems... That was just the basic image: It should do for now.

If you like the basic layout; I'll start revamping the unit with the weapon systems... That was just the basic image: It should do for now.

OOC: Yeah, that works great for the basic image. Thanks again for your help!

I'm envisioning something that looks somewhat like this:

http://thecomputerman.dyndns.biz/fleet/fleet/others/charlatan.jpg

OOC: That actually is how I imagined it would look like. Add some turrets and we are in business. You are great Tekania.


Public Encryption Key Transmission
From: Sirius Galactic Systems Inc.
To: Halberdgardian shipyards

Leafanistan has been working on obtaining and reproducing as much technology as possible and to working on native designs to advance her ship designs. And as the shipyard who got the contract to start producing Concord-class Destroyers we have good news for you. After experimenting with the Quantum-Induction Coil for use in Howard-Fukijawa Gravity Drives, we've realized we can use them for artificial gravity units. As of this moment we are reworking some of your designs to incorporate these experimental units. If you want the production rights, I think our country's alliance allows for mutual sharing of technology. Free of charge of course.

[END]

I use ZPM's as power sources (Zero-Point Modules); so I'd imagine our technology would be similar.

I also might note the Constitutional Republic uses "Kraskinov" based wormholes for FTL as well.

Though we appear to be abit ahead of you in ship construction technologies:

Our newest vessel under trials and soon to begin operation is the Anubis Class Battlestar:
http://thecomputerman.dyndns.biz/fleet/fleet/anubis.jpg

at a full 3,100 meters in length; 1,600 meters across beam; and 550 meters high she is also the longest battlestar; though still slightly smaller than the "Redemption Class" which is 3,060 meters long and 3,100 meters across beam.

http://thecomputerman.dyndns.biz/fleet/fleet/redeption_free.jpg
Redemption Class Battlestar...

Designs look good Halberdgardia, although some of the stat-formatting looks rather familiar, and I'm wondering if you used anyone else's storefront as a template.

Also, terajoules are only 'kiloton' range(rather, 4.184 TJ per kiloton-equivilent); afaik, your average NS interstellar anti-capital ship weapon is in the gigatons, although those around Sol seem to use hardware more in line with what you're using.

As for the price.. well.. I used to suspect that I was charging alot, but you could practicly buy 3 of my Zenith-Class Battlecruisers for the cost of a Vespir, and they use 25 terajoule pulse-lasers for point-defence.

Also, you might want to think about doing the math yourself, or atleast checking it; I know that most of my customers did their own, and I've caught some rather substantial errors in my time.

Designs look good Halberdgardia, although some of the stat-formatting looks rather familiar, and I'm wondering if you used anyone else's storefront as a template.

Also, terajoules are only 'kiloton' range(rather, 4.184 TJ per kiloton-equivilent); afaik, your average NS interstellar anti-capital ship weapon is in the gigatons, although those around Sol seem to use hardware more in line with what you're using.

As for the price.. well.. I used to suspect that I was charging alot, but you could practicly buy 3 of my Zenith-Class Battlecruisers for the cost of a Vespir, and they use 25 terajoule pulse-lasers for point-defence.

Also, you might want to think about doing the math yourself, or atleast checking it; I know that most of my customers did their own, and I've caught some rather substantial errors in my time.


I concur with this.... Though it may be inline with his "level" of technology.

Weapon systems in use outside of Sol tend to be in the Exa-watt range, or at least massive multi TJ numbered weapons...

My heavier cannons consume 350 tera-watts, a single charge takes ~10 seconds imparting close to 3 exa-joules upon the target (for main weapons; point-defense weapons are of course lower; but more rapid, and accurate) [Just under a gigaton]... And I have several; a single Kali class battlestar has 250 of these cannons.

I'd say, however, given the lack of AG technoligies; and the like; that the weapons are in line with your capabilities as this stage...

Just remember to advance your weapons technologies; as your fleet vessels advance...

OOC: Whoa, lots of responses all of a sudden. Let me take these one at a time.

Public Encryption Key Transmission
From: Sirius Galactic Systems Inc.
To: Halberdgardian shipyards

Leafanistan has been working on obtaining and reproducing as much technology as possible and to working on native designs to advance her ship designs. And as the shipyard who got the contract to start producing Concord-class Destroyers we have good news for you. After experimenting with the Quantum-Induction Coil for use in Howard-Fukijawa Gravity Drives, we've realized we can use them for artificial gravity units. As of this moment we are reworking some of your designs to incorporate these experimental units. If you want the production rights, I think our country's alliance allows for mutual sharing of technology. Free of charge of course.

IC: Encrypted Transmission to Leafanistan

We are most grateful for your offer, and graciously accept. The incorporation of the Quantum-Induction Coils into our current spacecraft will be a great boon, and will eliminate the necessity of including an alternate means of generating gravity (e.g., a rotating wheel like on the Charlatan and Vespir) on future spacecraft designs. Once again, our sincere thanks for your offer.

End Encrypted Transmission

-First snip-

OOC: Yeah, I'd say you're ahead of us too. But then, I wasn't trying to portray us as the most advanced FT nation out there. I was trying to fill something of a niche I felt was missing from NS: spacecraft for the early FTer. Because the way I see it now, there's no spacecraft available for the early FTer; all the FT storefronts have advanced craft that early FT nations would have no idea how to operate, much less maintain and build themselves. Now, of course, they could just ignore the fact that they're barely FT and take these ridiculously advanced craft anyways, but I didn't want to do that. Thus I said that we spent thirty years and trillions of dollars in R&D to come up with our end product, because we were essentially PMT before we released this. As time goes on, we'll of course come out with more advanced spacecraft. But these are supposed to be our first forays into space, and as a first foray, they're pretty damn advanced (or so I think).

Designs look good Halberdgardia, although some of the stat-formatting looks rather familiar, and I'm wondering if you used anyone else's storefront as a template.

Also, terajoules are only 'kiloton' range(rather, 4.184 TJ per kiloton-equivilent); afaik, your average NS interstellar anti-capital ship weapon is in the gigatons, although those around Sol seem to use hardware more in line with what you're using.

As for the price.. well.. I used to suspect that I was charging alot, but you could practicly buy 3 of my Zenith-Class Battlecruisers for the cost of a Vespir, and they use 25 terajoule pulse-lasers for point-defence.

Also, you might want to think about doing the math yourself, or atleast checking it; I know that most of my customers did their own, and I've caught some rather substantial errors in my time.

OOC: The formatting for the titles and such I stole from the Macabees, because I thought it was nice, simple, and clean. Take a look at his thread for the Argentine-class galleon and you'll see that the formatting is almost, if not exactly, the same.

As for the weapons' power ratings, see my above spiel to Tekania as to why I chose them.

I may reduce the price as time goes on (and as we presumably can cut construction costs by further streamlining the construction process), but for now, I stand by it, because right now, it's damn expensive for us to churn out all these materials. We're not "uber-FT-nation-X" yet, we're more like "barely-FT-newb-like-nation." We'll get more advanced as time goes on.

And I'll take into mind what you said about doing the math.

I concur with this.... Though it may be inline with his "level" of technology.

Weapon systems in use outside of Sol tend to be in the Exa-watt range, or at least massive multi TJ numbered weapons...

My heavier cannons consume 350 tera-watts, a single charge takes ~10 seconds imparting close to 3 exa-joules upon the target (for main weapons; point-defense weapons are of course lower; but more rapid, and accurate) [Just under a gigaton]... And I have several; a single Kali class battlestar has 250 of these cannons.

I'd say, however, given the lack of AG technoligies; and the like; that the weapons are in line with your capabilities as this stage...

Just remember to advance your weapons technologies; as your fleet vessels advance...

OOC: Yes, the weapons may not be terribly powerful, but if you look at the stats, they fire pretty damn fast (.25 sec cycle rate on the Charlatan, and .5 sec cycle rate on the Vespir). What we lack in per-shot power, we make up for it with sheer speed. Not only that, but the railguns on our Vespirs can churn out a hell of a lot of bigass rounds in a short time frame, further adding to the hurt. Like I've said, we'll advance the weapons tech as time goes on.

Tekania, you apear to have skipped a prefix; tera-, peta-, exa-.


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Halberdgardia:

Ah; the weapon data formatting closely resenbles those in my own storefront, and armour values given in RHAe isn't something I've ever seen, again, outside my own(and I spent several hours looking up modern tank armour ratings to establish a baseline to work from). I was just wondering if someone I wasn't aware of had borowed elements of my Ship Spec templates.

And, speaking of RHAe, your armour is exactly 1/5th as resiliant as my own, judging from the thickness/RHAe ratio - 10/1 as opposed to my own 50/1 for my creation, Nuclear-bonding force Enhanced Silver, or NES(well, type 12 NES to be specific).

It's also as common, and cheap, as steel, retailing for a mere $0.40 Cents/KG(tho pure silver retails for a mere quarter of that). And it's completly chemicly unreactive.

You don't apear to mind offers of advanced technology, and so I was wondering if you'd be interested of importing it ICly - unless it messes too much with your vision of your nation.

Looks good, but isnt Charlatan a bad name for a ship. I mean, its an insult if you call someone that, so... you know...

Looks good, but isnt Charlatan a bad name for a ship. I mean, its an insult if you call someone that, so... you know...

Especially for an exploration ship likly to engage in first-contact and diplomatic scenarios.

What would we think if an alien expidition arrived aboard the SS Con-Artist, or a Fraudulant Envoy-class diplomatic picket?

;) :p

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OOC: Ah yes, but while "charlatan" can mean "rogue," it is also a synonym for "adventurer."

http://thesaurus.reference.com/search?r=8&q=charlatan

OOC EDIT:

Ah; the weapon data formatting closely resenbles those in my own storefront, and armour values given in RHAe isn't something I've ever seen, again, outside my own(and I spent several hours looking up modern tank armour ratings to establish a baseline to work from). I was just wondering if someone I wasn't aware of had borowed elements of my Ship Spec templates.

And, speaking of RHAe, your armour is exactly 1/5th as resiliant as my own, judging from the thickness/RHAe ratio - 10/1 as opposed to my own 50/1 for my creation, Nuclear-bonding force Enhanced Silver, or NES(well, type 12 NES to be specific).

It's also as common, and cheap, as steel, retailing for a mere $0.40 Cents/KG(tho pure silver retails for a mere quarter of that). And it's completly chemicly unreactive.

You don't apear to mind offers of advanced technology, and so I was wondering if you'd be interested of importing it ICly - unless it messes too much with your vision of your nation.

Well, if that's the case, I may just up the RHA values for the armor to 50/1. I tried to keep it relatively low, as I didn't want to be accused of godmodding. But if you can get away with 50/1 for your NES, then I can probably manage the same, or maybe even slightly more, with my titanium-hyperfilament alloy.

OOC EDIT:

Well, if that's the case, I may just up the RHA values for the armor to 50/1. I tried to keep it relatively low, as I didn't want to be accused of godmodding. But if you can get away with 50/1 for your NES, then I can probably manage the same, or maybe even slightly more, with my titanium-hyperfilament alloy.

OOC:
AFAIK NES is fairly high up there; like I said, RHA ratings on ship armour apear to be rare.

NES also utalises the nuclear bonding forces in a molecular bonding role through the use of some ingenious subatomic engineering to overcome their normal, and rather substantial, distance limitations. It's the result of some pretty advanced material science that first emerged on NS around 2 RL years ago and has been gradually getting cheaper.

Oh, and NES is also cheap. Asteroid mining + centuries of R&D/refining manufacturing tecniques will do that.

OOC:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v614/Eugoria/Charleton.bmp
It's VERY basic as of right now as I'm not really sure where you want weapons and stuff, but this is the pic basically that I came up with.

EDIT: Whoops, just noticed that Tekania beat me to it and wow that's really good Tek. Hat's off to you, you deserve it.

while "charlatan" can mean "rogue," it is also a synonym for "adventurer."

While that may be true, who will know that? Im pretty sure none on this thread knew that until you pointed it out. And even if they did, which meaning comes to mind first?

While that may be true, who will know that? Im pretty sure none on this thread knew that until you pointed it out. And even if they did, which meaning comes to mind first?

OOC: If anyone asks, I'll just point them to that link I gave you. Somehow, though, I doubt I'll get a lot of questions about it. And at any rate, it's a little late to change the class name now. ;)

Bump for more sales.

Willink offers the best of wishes to our allies and friends, halberdgardia.

Justin Scarfe

Blessed Ultimate Mirth Pwns.

In other words, a glorified bump.

Well, you've uprated your armour to relative parity with my own standard material, but I, in all liklihood, can still probide a now-equal material for a fraction of the price it would cost you to produce your titanium-hyperfilament alloy.

*smacks thread*

Get back on that first page!

OMG teh bumpage.

General Message to Halberdgardia:

"We Wish to Buy 1 charlatan."

Alehp trade Commander,
Ferruis



(O.O.C I noticed you have things to keep this from being reversed, But how about just haveing a section of the hull removed and studied? Basicly my race wants to study your attempts at crystal tech since mine is all crystal based. See Galactic Encyclopedia thread posted below for my race and their tech details.)

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=430095

General Message to Halberdgardia:

"We Wish to Buy 1 charlatan."

Alehp trade Commander,
Ferruis

We are pleased to confirm your order of one Charlatan-class exploratory spacecraft. The cost comes to $110 billion. Construction will begin as soon as payment is received. The unit will be delivered within 3 NS months.

(O.O.C I noticed you have things to keep this from being reversed, But how about just haveing a section of the hull removed and studied? Basicly my race wants to study your attempts at crystal tech since mine is all crystal based. See Galactic Encyclopedia thread posted below for my race and their tech details.)

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=430095

OOC: Well, I wouldn't want you to tamper with the hull, as the ship would blow up if you did attempt to remove it yourself (it's got a generic "magical if-you-try-to-mess-with-my-ship-it-blows-up self-destruct device." However, we could sell you the plans to the armor for, oh, $10 billion. A steep price, yes, but this armor took us a hell of a long time to research and develop manufacturing methods for.

Transmition to Halberdgardia

Hmm 10 billion is much better as we only wish to see how far your crystal manufacturing is. We will also swear that the tech will not be given or sold by us infact we don't even plan to use it. To put it bluntly we only wish to see how far behind us you are, and if you could pose a danger to our form of life now or in the near future. If you are willing we might trade tech for tech otherwise the money will be sent in 2 rotations of your homeworld.

Alehp trade Commander,
Ferruis

Approved by Alehp Science Council

Transmition to Halberdgardia

Hmm 10 billion is much better as we only wish to see how far your crystal manufacturing is. We will also swear that the tech will not be given or sold by us infact we don't even plan to use it. To put it bluntly we only wish to see how far behind us you are, and if you could pose a danger to our form of life now or in the near future. If you are willing we might trade tech for tech otherwise the money will be sent in 2 rotations of your homeworld.

Alehp trade Commander,
Ferruis

Approved by Alehp Science Council

OOC: Hmmm...if you're ahead of us, a tech trade might work. What did you have in mind?

(O.O.C Hehe thought that might get your attention ;) but it depends on how well your race can use crystal tech as that is all my race uses. We only just started learning noncrystal tech from allies. How ever shouldn't this be IC?)

(O.O.C Hehe thought that might get your attention ;) but it depends on how well your race can use crystal tech as that is all my race uses. We only just started learning noncrystal tech from allies. How ever shouldn't this be IC?)

...and if you could pose a danger to our form of life now or in the near future....

OOC:

Sounds as if you may have... 'impolite' intentions should that answer be 'yes'. Like, 'preemptive strike'-kinda impolite.


Of course, I'm much more of a threat that he is! Atleast from a technical perspective. :D

(O.O.C Hehe thought that might get your attention ;) but it depends on how well your race can use crystal tech as that is all my race uses. We only just started learning noncrystal tech from allies. How ever shouldn't this be IC?)

OOC: Well, I like to work out details OOCly, then we can officially, ICly declare the terms of the trade. I suppose you could say my race (we're humans) could probably use your crystal tech fairly well, provided it doesn't require psionics (I noticed that you mentioned that the members of your own race are psychics in that thread you gave me the link to). Did you have any specific technologies in mind? Data storage, weapons, armor, shielding, communications? We could use any of these. Or, if you have a suggestion, feel free to share it; I'm open to ideas.

(O.O.C hmm some you wouldn't be able to use but luckly I've been picking up some new tricks from other races :p how's about warp drive and enough Dilithium crystals to last for 2 years useing the number of ships your planing on building at this time of course if you build more we would be happy to supply you with more. we recently bought an Imperial-Class Star Destroyer
Mark III we would be happy to say give you some Turbolaser Batteries or Ion Cannons so you can reverse enginer them. sadly we can't so we can't just give you the tech)

(O.O.C hmm some you wouldn't be able to use but luckly I've been picking up some new tricks from other races :p how's about warp drive and enough Dilithium crystals to last for 2 years useing the number of ships your planing on building at this time of course if you build more we would be happy to supply you with more. we recently bought an Imperial-Class Star Destroyer
Mark III we would be happy to say give you some Turbolaser Batteries or Ion Cannons so you can reverse enginer them. sadly we can't so we can't just give you the tech)

OOC: Thank you for the offer of the FTL drive, but we're quite happy with the one we have now, thanks. However, that ISD Mk. III is looking awfully nice... How about this, then? I'll give you (give you, not make you pay for it) the armor tech, and pay you what you paid for the ISD, in exchange for the entire ISD. Deal?

(O.O.C hmm some you wouldn't be able to use but luckly I've been picking up some new tricks from other races :p how's about warp drive and enough Dilithium crystals to last for 2 years useing the number of ships your planing on building at this time of course if you build more we would be happy to supply you with more. we recently bought an Imperial-Class Star Destroyer
Mark III we would be happy to say give you some Turbolaser Batteries or Ion Cannons so you can reverse enginer them. sadly we can't so we can't just give you the tech)

Much like me, he doesn't use warp-drive; he uses Wormhole based technologies.

Thought I did toy with purchased drives, some time ago.... They were too costly and impractical to impliment; and provided no real advantage for transit...

(O.O.C lol interesting offer but I'm afraid it's currently being refitted as I bought it without a drive system, no hanger bay and the life support systems are there but not connected or powered. lol if I haddent recently bought it I'd have just paid the 10 bil by now :p ok have about we teach you how to build your own gravity drives we use them for sublight travel and they can also be used to creat gravity in the ship.

(O.O.C lol interesting offer but I'm afraid it's currently being refitted as I bought it without a drive system, no hanger bay and the life support systems are there but not connected or powered. lol if I haddent recently bought it I'd have just paid the 10 bil by now :p ok have about we teach you how to build your own gravity drives we use them for sublight travel and they can also be used to creat gravity in the ship.

OOC: Are you talking about a Sharp drive (inertia-less drive)? If you are, I would most certainly accept it...unlimited range, nearly-unlimited sublight speed, no inertia on the inhabitants, and the ability to alter the interior gravity level of the ship as desired...I'll take it! :D

A crystal object Apears at the edge of Halberdgardia it then Transmits Message

"We are an Alehp Science team. We have arrived to teach you how to produce your own sublight drives and study your hull manfacturing."

The voice has a musicly quality like someone running their fingers over the rim of many glasses with verying amounts of water.

A crystal object Apears at the edge of Halberdgardia it then Transmits Message

"We are an Alehp Science team. We have arrived to teach you how to produce your own sublight drives and study your hull manfacturing."

The voice has a musicly quality like someone running their fingers over the rim of many glasses with verying amounts of water.

A Vespir-class cruiser is dispatched to rendezvous with the crystal ship.

"Ah, yes, we've been expecting you. Do you have electronic versions of the plans for the sublight drives you can transmit to us, or are they physical copies? Our plans are being transmitted to you now."

General Transmition:

"Yes, We have plans we could send how ever we thought we'd save your scientist some time by teaching them directly how to make such drives with your current level of tech. Alehp science vessel awaiting reply."

General Transmition:

"Yes, We have plans we could send how ever we thought we'd save your scientist some time by teaching them directly how to make such drives with your current level of tech. Alehp science vessel awaiting reply."

"How do you plan on teaching it to us? Do you need to contact our scientists? I can have them brought up here to the rendezvous point if necessary."

General Transmition:

"We would simply compair notes on your level of understanding then inform your scientist on the energy requierments and materials needed (useing the materials you have available of course) then explain the formula behind it. We would rather you understand it 100% then just "use" it. We can do it aboard your ship as long as it has the science facilitys nessesary."

General Transmition:

"We would simply compair notes on your level of understanding then inform your scientist on the energy requierments and materials needed (useing the materials you have available of course) then explain the formula behind it. We would rather you understand it 100% then just "use" it. We can do it aboard your ship as long as it has the science facilitys nessesary."

"I assure you that our scientists are quite capable. If you could just transmit the data, and provide us with a means to contact you in the future in case they have questions, I'm sure they could adapt it for our uses."

The crystal ship transmits the data waits for the data it's to recive then dissapears. Right before it dissapeard there was a 1 millisecond long quantum energy spike.

In related news, nine new planets have been discovered and colonized by Halberdgardia. Just months ago, a small detachment of Halberdgardian Charlatans discovered an unoccupied solar system, with a huge abundance of planets. Nine of the thirty-five planets in the system were deemed to be habitable, though some had to undergo some minor terraforming before the colonists could arrive. The colonists have been building up facilities on the nine planets for almost eighteen months now, and have finally brought them up to speed with other Halberdgardian colonies. The new planets are as follows:

Anshun
Bastion
Concord Dawn
Halifax
Oaktier
Velaines
Verona
Vinmar
Wessex

OOC: The above is a reference post, but also a glorified BUMP.

BUMP just for the hell of it.

W00tbumpage. [I want the copyright for that.]

Oooh...nice spacecrafts. But since my intergalactic armed forces view this as not fit for the SEAFIG, I will not be requesting for them. However, I have told a friend about this, and he probably would be ordering a couple or so.