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the nation of amurashakur has been masproducing many military weapons.
the ams10 is a light battle tank equiped with 50 caliber main gun and light armor and is easily produced. My people have produced 10,000 of these.
The amsabt is a light quick fighter bomber with the ability to drop 10,000 pound bombs... and also has 50 cal. machine guns but its drawback is also its armor due to costs we had to lighten the armor on all military equipment... out people have also created a light machine gun for the infantry its also light and holds 45 shots per clip...

You suck. Who puts a .50 on a tank and then supermass produces it...
By the way, it's pretty damn hard to drop a 10,000 lb bomb.

Go easy on the kid Hogsweat... don't go all high and mighty. Just give him pointers.

It is extremely difficult to drop a 10,000 lbs bomb. Most people will ignore you for that. Also, the tank with the .50? Not a good idea. That will get slaughtered. Think your stuff out a little bit more, and you'll be alright

I'd bump up that main gun to at least a 25 or 30 mm chaingun, but more likely a 90 or 105 mm main gun, and have the .50 as a secondary weapon.

OOC: One does not absolutely have to pay any serious attention to military affaris in order to play NS, but since you seem to have made the decision to play this aspect, I think that it makes sense to browse the net a bit for real systems, and either start out by using real examples or by closely imitating them until you find your feet. I don't think that listening to one-off instructions to re-chamber this or decrease the weight of that will really teach you anything worth knowing. It is my opinions (perhaps nothing more) that you ought either to put in at least some research time or else just leave this part of your role-play deliberately aside and concentrate on other avenues of play.
But hey, it's not my life/account.

Nice to see that you're interested, however, as previously mentioned, a .50 on a tank is less than useless, the only armoured vehicle I know of (other than maybe some old soviet vehicles) whose main turret gun is a fifty cal is the Canadian grizzly, and thats a light army reserve APC designed more for training than anything. As already mentioned, you'd want at least a 90 or 105mm on a tank, as you get older and design more vehicles, up it to a 120 or 125mm. If you want examples of how to sell stuff and vehicle designs, check out some storefronts, the only link I have on hand is this one: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=384594

Actually, if he's planning on going up against 1950's and 1960's era Soviet APCs and PT-76s, a .50 Cal weapon will serve him wonderfully.

Otherwise, yeah, he's boned.

Actually, if he's planning on going up against 1950's and 1960's era Soviet APCs and PT-76s, a .50 Cal weapon will serve him wonderfully.

Otherwise, yeah, he's boned.

I agree, how about purchasing tanks from me they have larger cannons firing 120 mm shells of armour piercing fun! Also, rename it a very light APC, and keep it in reserves and for training. Otherwise, scrap the thing and build some T-62s.

Though we could reconsider the idea of using it on land vehicles, perhaps as a very light anti-aircraft tank role for use as an anti-helicoptor weapon. Even US attack helicoptors fall to 7.62 mm fire from ARs, think about a hail of 12.7 mm rounds from a light anti-aircraft tank.

And your machine gun, specify caliber in metric or standard, .50 cal = 12.7 mm etc. Also 45 rounds a clip? Perhaps you are thinking assualt rifle or maybe sub-machine gun. With a real full size machine gun, 45 rounds will disappear in a few seconds and you don't want troops reloading constantly. For a good AR just make some AK-74s or AKMs, cheap and easy. Then there are the FN FALs that are also good. Just Google, Assualt Rifle, Machine Gun, etc. to get your stats.

Just a quick thing on the 10,000 pound bomb. It is possible, just not common, example: a US MOAB weighs in at 21,700 pounds I believe. Granted, you pretty much have to shove it out the back of a C-130, but hey, a couple of those things will rather nicely flatten a city.

Just a quick thing on the 10,000 pound bomb. It is possible, just not common, example: a US MOAB weighs in at 21,700 pounds I believe. Granted, you pretty much have to shove it out the back of a C-130, but hey, a couple of those things will rather nicely flatten a city.

"The Economical Alternative to a Nuke" ;)

Just a quick thing on the 10,000 pound bomb. It is possible, just not common, example: a US MOAB weighs in at 21,700 pounds I believe. Granted, you pretty much have to shove it out the back of a C-130, but hey, a couple of those things will rather nicely flatten a city.

The only problem with that 10,000 lbs bomb is that fact that he said it was to be dropped out of a fast, light fighter bomber. Hell, the F/22 and the Typhoon are fighter bombers, but they cannot drop anything like 10,000 lbs.

ON a note, if you are looking to fight a Soviet-era tech base, try and base yourself in that situation. So, as mentioned earlier, AK's and other such things. For a fighter, I'd go with the Mig-29 Fulcrum or if it's even later the Su-27. For a bomber... it would have to be the B-1/B Lancer or the F-111 Aardvark if you are looking to drop that sort of bomb weight

ooc:yes i know im a Noob but i will just change the stuff...
My scientist and developers have went back to the drawing board and have decided to equip our new tank with a 100mm main gun... and also the calculations on our bomber were off it will only to be able too hold a 2500 pound bomb and we are also working on an artillery cannon

2500lb... that's possible on a fighter bomber but it's not exactly a good idea. You'd be better off giving it 8-11 Hardpoints, and noting that those hardpoints can carry missiles, and fuel, and 500lb bombs (at the biggest). Put a 30mm nose cannon in and your set.

the scientist have decided to make it a more agile airplane and they can only carry 750 pounds of ordinance and has a nose cannon.

Our nation has gone into serious debt with the mess ups on this porject and also the purchase of 10 500 kiliton nuclear missles....

..note that you will be ignored if you said you have nuclear missiles at your nation's age.

..note that you will be ignored if you said you have nuclear missiles at your nation's age.

He bought them from FC, all nice and legal-like.

Personally, I'm buying some from FC as well, although not nearly as much. Just one or two tactical nukes.

From FC, LOL.

From FC, LOL.

Yup.

From FC.

im not just makin up buying nukes i used alotta money to buy em off sum guy who had shop of em

so my current military status is
60,000 troops equiped with light machine guns with 45 shot clips and 9mm hand guns
10,000 ams10's
500 amsabt's
and 10 500 kiliton nuclear missiles

...Your vehicle proportion is way out. I'm also wondering how you are affording to keep these nukes well stored and how you are affording to build silos or launchers for them...

ok
60,000 troops
5000 ams10's
100 amsabt's
and 10 nukes 500 kiliton nuclear weapons which are able to be launched from already prepared rail cars

All 60,000 troops equipped with light machine guns? Variety is key to success. They will have a hell of a time when it comes to urban warfare and close quarter combat, and any other army equipped with what suits the battle. Just my opinion.

Amurashakur, if I may, you might find the following links useful in establishing a respectable military for your country.

The first, and perhaps most important, step is to determine your country's defense spending. This will give you an idea of what your nation can afford, and consequently, how large of a military you can equip and support. For determining your country's military budget, perhaps the most widely used calculator is the ThirdGeek NSEconomy Calculator. The link for your country is here:

http://nseconomy.thirdgeek.com/nseconomy.php?nation=Amurashakur

Currently, you have a defense budget of almost $1.4 billion. This is more than adequate to begin to equip your basic ground forces, like supplying your infantry with weapons and perhaps buying some light armored vehicles. Depending on how much you spend on your ground forces, you may have some money left over for naval or air forces.

If your country is landlocked, then there's obviously no need for a navy. If you're going to spend some money on your navy, keep it small, as naval vessels are far more expensive than ground weapons. I'd suggest sticking to a few cruisers for now; you can build up your navy later, if necessary, when you have a larger defense budget.

Your air force is important. If you aren't spending any money on your navy, and you've got left-over money from your ground forces, you might want to look into buying a small complement of fighters and/or attack helicopters (again, keep it small, because aircraft are also much more expensive than ground forces). I'd suggest F-14s, F-15s, or F-16s for your fighters, and possibly a few Apache helicopters. Again, you can improve the size and quality of your air force once you've got a bigger defense budget.

Keep checking back on your ThirdGeek stats every day to see how much money you've got to spend (remember, the money listed for defense is for the entire NS year; that is, one real-life day).

One important thing before you get to the links: at this early stage, your best bet would probably be to look at some inexpensive packages of military equipment. These packages can be found at some of the following storefronts, and will give you the crucial elements you need for your military for a reasonable price.

Now, for some links to places where you can go to buy some military equipment.

For your land forces, I suggest either the ArmsDiscounters Bonstock Storefront (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=389802&page=1) or the Roman Republican Military Storefront (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=412411) (which actually has land, naval, and air weaponry).

For your naval forces, I'd suggest the Imperial Praetonian Shipyards (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=422657), although those are custom vessels, and as such are quite expensive. Alternatively, you could try the Roman Republican Storefront I mentioned above, which has a wide variety of real-life naval vessels for sale.

For your air force, I'd suggest the CSJMI Aircraft Storefront (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=278767&page=1&pp=15). It has a wide range of aircraft commonly used today at reasonable prices. But the Roman Republican Storefront mentioned above is also good here too.

Finally, you might want to read the International Incidents Consolidation Sticky at the very top of the forum for links to more useful guides. Hope this helps.

the light machine guns is just for the time being...... they also are equipped with a 9 mm hand gun...

A LMG (Light Machingun) and a 9mm handgun? So, you have close range, and long, inaccurate fire. Not good. I suggest you upgrade to an assualt rifle soon... at this stage, the AK-47 is a good one to use. Cheap, and still one of the best rifles in the world

im not fighting anyone with this military i just ran out of money for the day so i will have to wait till tommorow to do anything else

im also adding 60,000 AK-47 assualt rifles and 10 100 mm artillery guns

im also adding 60,000 AK-47 assualt rifles and 10 100 mm artillery guns

only ten artillery pieces? Man... thats not enough. Not by a long way. Best choice is something like the AS-90... 155mm self-propelled howizter *drools*

well im building it slowly .... i dont have alotta money to buy stuff yet

The nation of amurashakur has produced 250 100 mm artillery guns and 100 120 mm artllery guns

so my military is
60,000 troops armed with light machine guns and 9mm hand guns and ak-47's
5000 ams10
500 amsabt's
260 100 mm guns
100 120 mm guns

Now that's starting to look better. Still small, but getting better. Next, you might want to concentrate on buying some APCs and logistical trucks for your military, and possibly even beginning your navy and air force. Is your country landlocked, or do you have seaports? If you have seaports or coastlines, then you might want to look at buying some Estuary-class corvettes from the Imperial Praetonian Shipyards (look on the bottom of third post, under the "Littoral Combatants and Patrol Craft" section). It would serve as a good vessel for establishing a Coast Guard and patrolling your shorelines. If you don't have a shoreline or seaport to defend, then obviously you don't need a navy, and then you can concentrate on your air force.

my country is land locked...... and i already have 500 fighter bomber airplanes.... and i also have 10 500 kiliton nuclear missles with ability to be launched from a rail car.... yes i know im a small nation who shouldnt have nuclear weapons but i purchased them... and im working on producing land launchable missles like normal missles not nuclear or anything like that

I have just now purchased 1500 cruise missiles that are land launchable and are ready to launch at anytime

60,000 Troops? That's quite a lot for a nation of your size, I don't think I got over 50,000 until I have at least 300 Million People. If you keep your ground forces to Small, Special Forces units, you have a very good force ready to defend you until you grow. Also, at this stage, don't make your own tanks and airplanes, buy from storefronts, Roman Republic Storefront is best. One last thing, don't buy nukes or Cruise Missiles, For One, you don't need them, and Second, they draw attention to you. Not good. Just some pointers, just ask if you need any more help.

A good line to use is that you have 1% of your nation in the military at any time during a state of piece. I personally have 3%-5%, but looking at the size of my nation, that's a very large amount of people

A good line to use is that you have 1% of your nation in the military at any time during a state of piece. I personally have 3%-5%, but looking at the size of my nation, that's a very large amount of people
Before my Civil War, I used less than 1%, but after it, I'm planning on using about 2%.

i already bought the missiles so i cant just return them....... but the reason my military is larger than usual is im a dictatorship.... i can force anyone to fight

my military is now
60,000 troops equiped with light machine guns ak-47's and 9mm's
5000 ams10's
500 amsabt's
10 500 kiliton nuclear missiles
260 100 mm artillery guns
100 120 mm artillery guns
1500 cruise missiles

i already bought the missiles so i cant just return them....... but the reason my military is larger than usual is im a dictatorship.... i can force anyone to fight
Yeah but when your people get pissed off they will revolt, that's bad for a dictatorship because it puts it on the international stage. . . And Inkana is right, don't bother with huge armies until you are a huge nation. Smaller and better trained is superior.