NationStates Jolt Archive


M1A5 Emperor Abram Released for Sale!

Space Union
24-06-2005, 21:48
Overview:

Following the release of the SPM-192, Space Union looked for another MBT to complement the SPM-192 and the new tank being developed by both Space Union and Aequatio, but wanted it to have lower development costs. To fullfill this desire, it was decided to modify an existing design instead of starting an entirely new one from scratch. Evaluations began that year with the testing of multiple tanks such as the Challenger 2, Leopard 2, and M1A2. It was decided that the new tank would be the M1A2. It performed better in rugged areas and was much more crew friendly than either of the other tanks. But the M1A2 had many shortcomings such as its incapability in some areas that the others were excelling in. So research began to outfit the M1A2 with new systems, weapons, and overall design. The project saw the birth of the M1A5 Emperor Abram. It was like no other. It had a formidable weaponary comparable to the SPM-192. Its 120mm Smoothbore gun was replaced with a much more powerful 140mm Smoothbore. It had the addition of 12.7 Anti-Armor machine guns, along with the addition of other weapons. Not only that but its armor was changed and updated with current standards. By the end of the year, the first prototype was out and it proved remarkable. One on one tests with the SPM-192 showed that the M1A5 was capable of holdings its own against the tank. Space Union's Army (SUA) was so impressed that it has filed an order for the M1A5 for all its Armored Divisions. An export version dubbed the M1A5E1 has been created for foreign exports. Allies may receive the domestic version of the M1A5 if they wish at a higher price but can receive the E1 at a 10% discount.

Weapon - Main Gun:

One of the major differences between the M1A5 and the M1A2 is the new main gun. The old 120mm gun has been replaced with a new 140mm Smoothbore gun. This gives the M1A5 an extremely powerful gun that will punch through any armor thrown at it. It will pick off targets as if they were ducks sailing in the open sea ready to kill. The choice to keep a conventional gun instead of a ETC gun is mainly because of the power and IR usuage. Unlike an ETC gun, the conventional gun uses far less power resulting in more mobility because of smaller size and less weight. It also allows the M1A5 to not stick out like a sore thumb ready for enemy Javelin missiles to pick them up easily.

The 140mm has been built from mainly composite material. It has plastic and stainless steel to forge this powerful gun. This has been done to cut-back on gun wear compared to others. This results in a longer life and less maintaince for the M1A5 compared to other advaned MBTs.

Another thing is that because of the friction created from the projectile, the gun sheds off lots of heat. The same system employed in the SPM-192 is used in the M1A5. It captures some of the heat created from the friction and turns it into electricity. This procedure has cut back on the usuage of the battery dramatically. 86% of the friction heat is harnessed to turn into electricity! That is enough to power the entire tank for a while.

Weapons - Secondary Guns:

The M1A5 features a formidable array of secondary weapons that will make even the most durable soldiers run away as if they were little girls screaming for their lives. The main secondary weapons are as follow:

1x 12.7mm Anti-Aerial Machine Guns
2x 7.62mm Anti-Personal Machine Guns
4x 40mm Smoke Grenade Launchers

The 1 12.7mm Machine guns are mounted on-top of the turret of the M1A5. They are coxial toward the main gun and serve as a weakener of enemy targets before the main gun fires. This ensures that the enemy won't ever be able to escape the wrath of the M1A5 Emperor Abram.

Alongside the 12.7 are 2 7.62mm machine guns. These are designed to be used by either the commander or gunner. They serve as mostly anti-infantry weapon although they can be used against armor in a last ditch effort.

Around the entire tank are 4 40mm Smoke Grenade Launchers. These tubes are used by either the commander or gunner to fire at incoming enemies or even low-flying aircrafts. They can be used to fire into tight positions to kill enemy soldiers with a much smaller amount of ammo instead of the standard machine gun "mowing" method.

Armor - Additions:

The M1A5 retains its already powerful Chobham armor but has been significantly upgraded. For one thing, a couple of new layers have been added underneath the origional armor. A layer of stainless steel plating has been applied around the tank underneath the origional armor. Not only that but a layer of reinforced carbon steel has also been added. This has brought the armor's resistance up tremendously.

But the most striking difference, is the addition of the ERA on-top of the armor. ERA further solidifies the strength of the armor compared to other designs. It also has brought the KE ratings up compared to the normal Chobham armor.

Front: 1,600mm (KE)/ 2,100mm (HEAT)
Side: 800mm (KE)/ 1,050mm (HEAT)
Rear: 400mm (KE)/ 760mm (HEAT)

Propulsion:

The other big difference in the M1A5 is the change of the engine. The engine has been changed for gasoline to diesal-electric hybrid engine. This gives the tank much better efficiency compared to the origional gasoline engine and also has increased the range and power of the M1A5. The Diesal-Electric engine (dubbed DE-SU10) is capable of producing a powerful 2,600 hp output. This allows the M1A5 to maintain similar speeds to the origional M1A2 even with the modifications.

Electronics:

The M1A5 uses the same electronics as the SPM-192. This was done mostly to keep maintaince cost down and to make logistics much easier and quicker. The results are more favorable compared to entirely new suite of electronics.

AMPD Suite: This suit called the AMPD (Anti-Missile and Projectile Defense) Suit is intended to provide the M1A5 with superb defense against incoming ballastics. Designed with internetworking in mind, the AMPD Suit takes advantage of all the systems on-board and all the sensors the SPM-192 has, and uses them effectively to monitor the battlefield. When it detects difference in air pressure, blast, or picks up incoming objects, its mini-supercomputer quickly calculates the trajectory of the ballastic in less than 1 second. Once that is done, it uses the secondary weapons to destroy the incoming projectile at all cost. In fact, it can override the user of the weapon so the computer can use it. Tests have shown that it is capable of hitting a missile 90% of the time, while capable of hitting a projectile 87% of the time! Used in conjuction with the armor, it makes the M1A5 nearly impenetrable.

Optical Sensory Suite: This suit gives the M1A5 a wide-array of optical sensors that can determine dangers on the battlefield. It is outifitted a millimeter band radar dome that scans the area for enemy objects on both land, sea, and air. It also features thermal vision and ultraviolet vision to allow the crew to see no matter what.

LIDAR/LADAR System: The M1A5 comes stander with a built-in Laser Rangefinder that is capable of tracking multiple-targets and present them to the commander. It can also determine if an enemy is one the move and how fast.

3D Optical Presentation: The M1A5's most innovative feature is the 3D Model capability that allows it to present to the crew a 3D model of the entire battlefield with enemy and friendly positions marked and displayed. The crew can zoom into parts and zoom-out on others. Most of the info needed is gathered from outside computers and satellites. This effectively allows the crew to see even under a NBC environment or foggy, mysterious environment. And no longer will the enemy have a "homeground" advantage.

Tracking and Manuvering Suite: The M1A5 is given the enemy tracking system. It allows the computer to track enemies all over the battlefield so they can never surprise the crew. It also alerts the crew if the object comes within striking range or could pose a serious-threat to the vehicle. The system works in conjunction with the AMPD System

Specifications:

Length: 11 m
Height: 6 m
Width: 5 m
Weight: 80 tons
Speed: 38 mph (on-road); 34 mph (off-road)
Range: 400 km
Primary Armenant: 140mm Smoothbore Main Gun
Secondary Armenant: 1x 12.7mm Anti-Aerial Machine Guns; 2x 7.62mm Anti- Personal Machine Guns; 4x 40mm Smoke Grenade Launchers
Powerplant/Engine: DE-SU10; Diesal-Electric Hybrid rated at 2,600 hp
Armor Values: Front: 1,940mm (KE)/ 2,700mm (HEAT); Side: 1,070mm (KE)/ 1,250mm (HEAT); Rear: 600mm (KE)/ 960mm (HEAT
Crew: 4 (driver, gunner, loader, commander)
Production Cost: $12 million
Export Cost: $14.5 million
Praetonia
24-06-2005, 22:16
Seems like quite a nice tank if you want something cheap and easy to build. Just a few points:

1) How do you get such massive armour values using relatively conventional armour whilst achieving such a high speed?

2) How do you fit an engine twice the size of that of the RL Abrams and a bigger gun into the same sized package?
Space Union
24-06-2005, 22:35
Seems like quite a nice tank if you want something cheap and easy to build. Just a few points:

1) How do you get such massive armour values using relatively conventional armour whilst achieving such a high speed?

2) How do you fit an engine twice the size of that of the RL Abrams and a bigger gun into the same sized package?

1) I think that a 2,600 hp engine should be able to make-up for the extra weight put on the tank. Also using wheels instead of tracks increases the on-road speed but slows the off-road speed. But I'm still learning so I may be off on the speed.

2) Good point. I'll adjust it. I must have overlooked it because those specs were from before I reworked the design.

I'm actually going to decrease the armor effectiveness. It might be too high.

Thanks for the compliment. Thats whats it's main function is. :)
Space Union
24-06-2005, 23:27
bump
Kazakh Provinces
24-06-2005, 23:33
What worries me is the nuber of Secondary weapons.

There are too many. You are only gonna be able to store around 1,000 .50 cal rounds and 4,000 7.62mm rounds, which will be eaten up in seconds by that number of weapons. If you ask me, three is enough, not 6.
Space Union
24-06-2005, 23:44
What worries me is the nuber of Secondary weapons.

There are too many. You are only gonna be able to store around 1,000 .50 cal rounds and 4,000 7.62mm rounds, which will be eaten up in seconds by that number of weapons. If you ask me, three is enough, not 6.

Most of the weapons are used by AMPD Suite. But yes I'll decrease it.
El Caudillo
25-06-2005, 00:05
"We will purchase 100 of these tanks for $1,450,000,000.00. Money will be wired if this order is confirmed."
Space Union
25-06-2005, 00:07
"We will purchase 100 of these tanks for $1,450,000,000.00. Money will be wired if this order is confirmed."

Thank You. The M1A5s will be sent in 3 weeks.
Space Union
25-06-2005, 00:50
bump
Skitsojd
25-06-2005, 00:55
I must know will this tank stand up to the heavy barrage of 300mm Artillery guns.
Second why would my small country want this?
Third do these tanks have emp shielding?

Thank you
Head of the Senate of the People's Republic of Skitsojd
Space Union
25-06-2005, 00:58
I must know will this tank stand up to the heavy barrage of 300mm Artillery guns.
Second why would my small country want this?
Third do these tanks have emp shielding?

Thank you
Head of the Senate of the People's Republic of Skitsojd

1) It will survive bombardment from them.
2) It will serve your nation quite good. It is cheap and is easily mass producable. It also require far less maintaince compared to other tanks while offering all the capabilities of those tanks.
3) It has EMP shielding.
Skitsojd
25-06-2005, 01:00
How much would 50 cost. As you know my nation is very small but the military is very hardy.



Sincerly
Head of the Senate of the People's Republic of Skitsojd
Space Union
25-06-2005, 02:04
That will come out to a total of $725 million. Your order will be done 2 weeks. Thank You.
The Silver Sky
25-06-2005, 02:20
1) It will survive bombardment from them.
2) It will serve your nation quite good. It is cheap and is easily mass producable. It also require far less maintaince compared to other tanks while offering all the capabilities of those tanks.
3) It has EMP shielding.
OOC: 1) How could it withstand a 300mm artillery shell, let alone many of them? Those could take out a ST-29.
2) "Ouite Well", I have doubts about the maintance claims also.
3) How is it shielded?
Skitsojd
25-06-2005, 02:25
You will recieve payment when the delivery gets here.
Space Union
25-06-2005, 03:22
OOC: 1) How could it withstand a 300mm artillery shell, let alone many of them? Those could take out a ST-29.
2) "Ouite Well", I have doubts about the maintance claims also.
3) How is it shielded?

1) Hmm, I thought I read somewhere that a M1A1 withstood a direct shot from a 300mm. Must have misread it. :confused:
2)Grammer...I don't spell when summer comes. J/K
Actually the M1A5 will require less maintaince than other NS tanks because it doesn't feature a logistic's nightmare, the ETC gun, or any other newly developed complicated systems. It uses technology already present which most engineers are experienced with, dramatically cutting back on maintaince. Also conventional guns and conventional systems have records and are more reliable than the newly developed uber systems.
3) Mainly it uses fiber optics and light instead of metal cables and electricity so that EMP doesn't affect it. It also features backup batteries that can be used if power fails.
The Macabees
25-06-2005, 03:24
[OOC: I doubt an Abrams could take a direct hit from a WWII German 88mm gun. An artillery round, is an artillery round. Imagine a SABOT with two or more times the force - there's no way that Abrams is going to survive, especially if you're firing from a 300mm gun. But then again, who uses a 300mm artillery gun?]
Space Union
25-06-2005, 03:25
[OOC: I doubt an Abrams could take a direct hit from a WWII German 88mm gun. An artillery round, is an artillery round. Imagine a SABOT with two or more times the force - there's no way that Abrams is going to survive, especially if you're firing from a 300mm gun. But then again, who uses a 300mm artillery gun?]

True. I'm going to retake my statement about it being effective against 300mm. That was a mistake on my part.
The Macabees
25-06-2005, 03:26
[OOC: Ah yes, your armor ratings are too high. ERA will only give you about an additional 600mm of RHA armor value against KE weaponry, meaning total readings should be at around 1,500mm to 1,600mm.

Also, I have my serious doubts about engines which exceed 2,000 horsepower. Not in their power, but in the ability to build them for a tank, and cheap enough for a tank.]
Space Union
25-06-2005, 03:42
[OOC: Ah yes, your armor ratings are too high. ERA will only give you about an additional 600mm of RHA armor value against KE weaponry, meaning total readings should be at around 1,500mm to 1,600mm.

Also, I have my serious doubts about engines which exceed 2,000 horsepower. Not in their power, but in the ability to build them for a tank, and cheap enough for a tank.]

Yeah I'm changing the armor values, but forgot :)

I've seen engines around in NS that can produce over 3,000 hp. Since a lot of engines in NS average over at least 1,800 hp, I'm pretty sure that a 2,000 hp wouldn't be that much of a stretch. And since its a hybrid is is compacter than other engines, effectively. But I may be wrong on this.
Roman Republic
25-06-2005, 03:48
Could I buy to production rights for the Abrams.
Space Union
25-06-2005, 03:54
Could I buy to production rights for the Abrams.

Sure. I'm currently selling the production rights for $26 billion. That should be right.
Roman Republic
25-06-2005, 04:03
Sure. I'm currently selling the production rights for $26 billion. That should be right.

Sounds fair. I'll still call your tank Abram instead of Emperor Abram, but it hauls more ass.

*Money wired from Roman World Bank*
Space Union
25-06-2005, 15:01
bump
BlackKnight_Poet
25-06-2005, 15:31
[OOC: I doubt an Abrams could take a direct hit from a WWII German 88mm gun. An artillery round, is an artillery round. Imagine a SABOT with two or more times the force - there's no way that Abrams is going to survive, especially if you're firing from a 300mm gun. But then again, who uses a 300mm artillery gun?]


ooc: My uncle works for General Dynamics in Warren and is an engineer. He said that yes the M1A1 can take a direct hit from an 88mm field gun and keep going.
JihadOrange
25-06-2005, 15:54
Having fiber optics would not shield the tank from EMP. Even though the cables may be fiber optic the tank's electronic systems would still be fried. But, that idea by using the gun to power some of the tank is brilliant, assuming the tank's pounding other targets all the time.
Praetonia
25-06-2005, 16:04
ooc: My uncle works for General Dynamics in Warren and is an engineer. He said that yes the M1A1 can take a direct hit from an 88mm field gun and keep going.
[OOC: Even British Matilda tanks (pre-WWII with 40mm guns) could take several 88mm hits and keep going.]
Space Union
25-06-2005, 16:13
Having fiber optics would not shield the tank from EMP. Even though the cables may be fiber optic the tank's electronic systems would still be fried. But, that idea by using the gun to power some of the tank is brilliant, assuming the tank's pounding other targets all the time.

No I mean that all the electronics are lightronics. Meaning that everything runs on light instead of electricity. All the curcuitry is light-based instead of electrical-based. If that is used then the mbt is EMP sealed.
Praetonia
25-06-2005, 16:17
No I mean that all the electronics are lightronics. Meaning that everything runs on light instead of electricity. All the curcuitry is light-based instead of electrical-based. If that is used then the mbt is EMP sealed.
[OOC: No one has ever made an entire chip that is optics based, only cables. Ie. the difference between using an optic cable instead of a copper phone line and using an "optic chipboard" instead of a conventional computer. I dont think it's really possible in MT.]
Space Union
25-06-2005, 16:29
[OOC: No one has ever made an entire chip that is optics based, only cables. Ie. the difference between using an optic cable instead of a copper phone line and using an "optic chipboard" instead of a conventional computer. I dont think it's really possible in MT.]

Actually I think it is possible. I remember reading somewhere in some Tech Magazine (can't remember its name, i'll find it) that said some company was building one of those. If people in NS are using ETC and railguns, I'm pretty sure that we can also use optic chipboards. But I might be wrong. I'll try to find it, if my dad hasn't thrown it away.
Praetonia
25-06-2005, 16:31
ETCs were working in the 80s and the concept of a railgun has been around for decades... they even work now, although not with large enough current for weaponisation.
DontPissUsOff
25-06-2005, 16:40
Agreed with Prae on that one - the light in a fibre optic cable is used to transmit data in much the same way as an electrical pulse, yes, but the thing can only be used to transfer data. Anything requiring power is going to need an electric power source, and as he points out, light-based microchips aren't about yet and probably won't be for some time (I'd imagine, apart from anything else, that there'd be quite a lot of problems in keeping the same degree of reliability one gets with a microchip when you're using a light-based system). The tank's EMP-reistant when it comes to data streams, sure, but it's still gonna need conventional EMP hardening for whatever's at either end.

Couple of things. First off, 140mm gun is nasty for your logistics people and reduces dramatically the number of rounds carried. The round is generally slower than that for a small gun, and if it's not slower than the friction upon the barrel is greater, diminishing barrel life - your system takes the friction's generated heat and uses it to generate electricity (though quite how escapes me - conventionally heat is used to heat water, generate steam and rotate turbines, which isn't altogether practical here) but doesn't reduce wear on the barrel in any meaningful manner. That said, this thing will fire an excellent HEAT shell, though that's not much consolation.

The armour doesn't look too bad, but I'd wager that it's a little high in both areas. Then again, I don't know precisely how good Chobham is.

Too many secondary weapons - it's already been mentioned, but if you put that lot in there'll be about three cubic metres of space for your crew within the tank, and about 1,000 rounds of ammo for each MG. That and the turret grenade launchers would have a seriously hard job reaching a helicopter - unless they can elevate to about 50 degrees and have a range of a thousand metres or so, at minimum.

Engine looks fine, really - it's a large tank, but I'd ditch diesel-electirc drive since it increases weight and can be a bitch to keep going in the field. Myself, I favour HOP (horizontally-opposed piston) designs, since they provide high power output from a relatively compact engine; those familiar with the "Deltic" will know what an HOP engine can do. However, HOP engines have very high noise levels, are more complicated than ordinary diesels, and have a higher IR signature. The main prob here is the wheels - tanks are designed to manouevre around the enemy where possible, and this thing can't without tracks. Wheels have been tried on tanks before, and they were useless then.
Space Union
25-06-2005, 16:52
Agreed with Prae on that one - the light in a fibre optic cable is used to transmit data in much the same way as an electrical pulse, yes, but the thing can only be used to transfer data. Anything requiring power is going to need an electric power source, and as he points out, light-based microchips aren't about yet and probably won't be for some time (I'd imagine, apart from anything else, that there'd be quite a lot of problems in keeping the same degree of reliability one gets with a microchip when you're using a light-based system). The tank's EMP-reistant when it comes to data streams, sure, but it's still gonna need conventional EMP hardening for whatever's at either end.

Couple of things. First off, 140mm gun is nasty for your logistics people and reduces dramatically the number of rounds carried. The round is generally slower than that for a small gun, and if it's not slower than the friction upon the barrel is greater, diminishing barrel life - your system takes the friction's generated heat and uses it to generate electricity (though quite how escapes me - conventionally heat is used to heat water, generate steam and rotate turbines, which isn't altogether practical here) but doesn't reduce wear on the barrel in any meaningful manner. That said, this thing will fire an excellent HEAT shell, though that's not much consolation.

The armour doesn't look too bad, but I'd wager that it's a little high in both areas. Then again, I don't know precisely how good Chobham is.

Too many secondary weapons - it's already been mentioned, but if you put that lot in there'll be about three cubic metres of space for your crew within the tank, and about 1,000 rounds of ammo for each MG. That and the turret grenade launchers would have a seriously hard job reaching a helicopter - unless they can elevate to about 50 degrees and have a range of a thousand metres or so, at minimum.

Engine looks fine, really - it's a large tank, but I'd ditch diesel-electirc drive since it increases weight and can be a bitch to keep going in the field. Myself, I favour HOP (horizontally-opposed piston) designs, since they provide high power output from a relatively compact engine; those familiar with the "Deltic" will know what an HOP engine can do. However, HOP engines have very high noise levels, are more complicated than ordinary diesels, and have a higher IR signature. The main prob here is the wheels - tanks are designed to manouevre around the enemy where possible, and this thing can't without tracks. Wheels have been tried on tanks before, and they were useless then.

1) Okay I'll change it back to electric and modify its EMP protection.
2) I'll stay with the 140mm. People are pretty much mounting 135mm ETC guns on their tanks. Any less than a 140mm will make it worse than a 135mm ETC.
3) Its a bit high but I think I got it pretty good.
4) How many secondary weapons do you recommend? 3? 4?
5) I'll look into the HOP engine. If I like it I might go with it. But if I don't I'll go with a traditional diesal or even go with a new internal combustion engine that I've been reading on.
DontPissUsOff
25-06-2005, 17:02
I'd only recommend three - co-axial MG, AA MG, and your grenade launchers. That'll leave plenty of turret space and should sill serve your needs in that area.
Space Union
25-06-2005, 17:34
I'd only recommend three - co-axial MG, AA MG, and your grenade launchers. That'll leave plenty of turret space and should sill serve your needs in that area.

Okay changed it.

Also do you think a quasiturbine engine would be feasible for this MBT. Basically its like a rotary engine but instead of having 3 point rotary it has 4 points. So it create a 4 chamer effect. This allows it to have greater fuel efficiency than other engines. It also expels almost no gas as byproduct because it has a complete combustion unlike other internal combustion engines. For more informations heres the link:


http://auto.howstuffworks.com/quasiturbine.htm
Space Union
25-06-2005, 18:22
bump
Kazaki
25-06-2005, 18:37
ATTN:Space Union
Wire From: Kazaki, Ministry of Developement

I agree with what some of the other diplomats have been saying about this tank. I was wondering if you would like to sell the production rights to Kazaki. We will pay the 26 billion you are requesting plus an extra four billion to get authorization to modify this bringing the total to thirty billion. Contract as follows

Kazaki will not sell these for profit purely to upgrade it's own military. Kazaki can remove some of the weapons to create more room and make it a lighter tank. Kazaki can make other modifications as neccessary to convert this from a wheeled tank to a tracked tank. Kazaki can make other modifications as the need arises.

OOC:Man I'm tired. If anything is spelled wrong forgive me I'm dying of sleepiness thought
Kroblexskij
25-06-2005, 18:45
But then again, who uses a 300mm artillery gun?]

The soviets did, also 330mm rocket launchers on a scud chassis
DontPissUsOff
25-06-2005, 18:47
Having perused HSW, I'm most impressed by it. Development cost and maintenance issues would be my only reason not to introduce it, but those wouldn't be too much of a problem. However, I'd not recommend sticking it straight in an MBT; better to get experience of small-scale protoypes first, such as cars and trucks, before using it in a vehicle which you might depend on.
Space Union
25-06-2005, 19:12
To: Kazaki

We will be more than willing to sell production rights. That will come out to $30 billion. We hope they serve you better.

OOC: I removed the wheel idea, and cut-back on the secondary weapons.
Space Union
25-06-2005, 19:14
Having perused HSW, I'm most impressed by it. Development cost and maintenance issues would be my only reason not to introduce it, but those wouldn't be too much of a problem. However, I'd not recommend sticking it straight in an MBT; better to get experience of small-scale protoypes first, such as cars and trucks, before using it in a vehicle which you might depend on.

Good idea. If you like we can design a joint prototype by both of our nations. After we do tests we could create a vehicle specially designed with the quasiturbine in it. How does that sound?
Kazaki
25-06-2005, 20:03
To:Space Union
From: Kazaki, Department of Developement

Money has just been wired. We thank you for this transaction and welcome any future cooperation between our two nations.


OOC: I just realized we're both in that Civil War RP but on opposite sides :p DAMNIT! haha I hate it when this happens
Space Union
25-06-2005, 20:32
To:Space Union
From: Kazaki, Department of Developement

Money has just been wired. We thank you for this transaction and welcome any future cooperation between our two nations.


OOC: I just realized we're both in that Civil War RP but on opposite sides :p DAMNIT! haha I hate it when this happens

Thank You. We hope our tanks will serve you well.

OOC: Shoot! I also hate when that happens. Its very annoying :mad:
The Darkening Sky
25-06-2005, 20:33
2) I'll stay with the 140mm. People are pretty much mounting 135mm ETC guns on their tanks. Any less than a 140mm will make it worse than a 135mm ETC.


A 135mm ETC is overkill. A 120 ETC will easily puncture anything in the field. As such, a 120mm conventional gun provides adequate firepower in an easily maintenanced form with more rounds and less weight.
Kazaki
25-06-2005, 20:38
OOC: Yeah it is horribly annoying. I didn't check that until after I had finished posting here. Oh well maybe somehow a nice little compromise will be met by our two nations >.< Ahhh!
Space Union
25-06-2005, 20:58
OOC: Yeah it is horribly annoying. I didn't check that until after I had finished posting here. Oh well maybe somehow a nice little compromise will be met by our two nations >.< Ahhh!

Maybe or maybe not ;)
Nano soft
25-06-2005, 21:06
Yea what you where thinking about is plasmonic computer chips which would transfer data around a chip by photons. Yea I did a google search on what you said before and found out some stuff, some very intresting stuff going on there in that field.

http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn7164
Space Union
25-06-2005, 21:59
Yea what you where thinking about is plasmonic computer chips which would transfer data around a chip by photons. Yea I did a google search on what you said before and found out some stuff, some very intresting stuff going on there in that field.

http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn7164

Yeah that's exactly what I'm talkign about. Thanks for the link. :)
Praetonia
25-06-2005, 22:45
As the link says, this still requires metal elements and still uses electrons, so it would still be affected by EMP.

*meh*
Space Union
25-06-2005, 23:21
As the link says, this still requires metal elements and still uses electrons, so it would still be affected by EMP.

*meh*

Yeah I'm going to have to design new EMP protection methods.
The FOE
26-06-2005, 00:02
[ OOC: About EMP protection. Keep in mind that an EMP uses ions in the atmosphere. The higher the altitude, An EMP can achieve much greater ionization, making a much more powerful the electro magnetic field and a much larger area of effect. Predictably, a nuclear bomb detonating 200 miles into the Earth's atmosphere above Kansas would effect the entire country. Even with electronics deactivated with no electric currents in them, there would be significant damage to computer chips and the like. So, a tactical nuclear bomb discharged 30,000 ft into the air would be extremely strong and most likely knock out your tank. However, there is a number of steps you can take to protect against the effects. Remember, an EMP is an incredibly strong source of energy, so you will most likely not be able to stop it. You can, however, divert it. "Hardening" electrical equipment will help EMP resistance. Remember that your main concern with an EMP is the outer field of contact, or the outside EMP level. Protection against this can be done with metallic shielding. This is effective for use because it routes the EMP away from vital electronic components. To protect electronic equipment from damage beyond repair, procedures like transient protection like surge protectors, wire termination procedures, screened isolated transformers, protective enclosures, spark gaps, and filters. Of course the best protection against an EMP is to keep vital equipment away from the discharge and backup units. Hope this helps.]
Space Union
26-06-2005, 00:10
[ OOC: About EMP protection. Keep in mind that an EMP uses ions in the atmosphere. The higher the altitude, An EMP can achieve much greater ionization, making a much more powerful the electro magnetic field and a much larger area of effect. Predictably, a nuclear bomb detonating 200 miles into the Earth's atmosphere above Kansas would effect the entire country. Even with electronics deactivated with no electric currents in them, there would be significant damage to computer chips and the like. So, a tactical nuclear bomb discharged 30,000 ft into the air would be extremely strong and most likely knock out your tank. However, there is a number of steps you can take to protect against the effects. Remember, an EMP is an incredibly strong source of energy, so you will most likely not be able to stop it. You can, however, divert it. "Hardening" electrical equipment will help EMP resistance. Remember that your main concern with an EMP is the outer field of contact, or the outside EMP level. Protection against this can be done with metallic shielding. This is effective for use because it routes the EMP away from vital electronic components. To protect electronic equipment from damage beyond repair, procedures like transient protection like surge protectors, wire termination procedures, screened isolated transformers, protective enclosures, spark gaps, and filters. Of course the best protection against an EMP is to keep vital equipment away from the discharge and backup units. Hope this helps.]

Thank you. I'm going to add metallic shielding to its EMP protection. Forgot about that. Thanks for the info. :)
Space Union
26-06-2005, 01:25
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Space Union
26-06-2005, 05:18
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Shearwaters
26-06-2005, 06:20
As a relativly small nation we would like to purhcase 15 of these tanks to protect our nation and economy......
Money will be wired....
Kinshar
26-06-2005, 07:49
We'd like to buy 100 tanks

1.45bn USD wired
Space Union
26-06-2005, 15:31
As a relativly small nation we would like to purhcase 15 of these tanks to protect our nation and economy......
Money will be wired....

Your order is confirmed. That will be $217,500,000. Thank You.
Vespeterium Minor
26-06-2005, 15:39
The Family would like to purchase 300 of these tanks, as we have a big war coming up. I'm not sure how much this is, but we are exeedingly rich so I'm sure we can reach your demands.
Paulo Von Gerrit Vespeterium III, Chairman of the Family Business of Vespeterium Minor.
Space Union
26-06-2005, 16:25
We'd like to buy 100 tanks

1.45bn USD wired

Your order is confirmed. Thank You.
Space Union
26-06-2005, 16:27
The Family would like to purchase 300 of these tanks, as we have a big war coming up. I'm not sure how much this is, but we are exeedingly rich so I'm sure we can reach your demands.
Paulo Von Gerrit Vespeterium III, Chairman of the Family Business of Vespeterium Minor.

Your order is confirmed. That will be $4,350,000,000. Thank You.
Space Union
26-06-2005, 19:42
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