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The Chancellor looked worried from a standpoint, his hand was shaking a bit, and he was worried of what was to come. It was raining outside, as if a forewarning of a storm to come, and this was his greatest obstacle yet. The Vice Chancellor entered the room, "Sir, its time."

The Chancellor looked at him and gave a grim smile, "I know, I'm not sure if I'm ready for it though." The Angelo (Vice Chancellor) gave him a comforting look, "You will do fine Chancellor, now you have a job to do." And he left the room, and the Chancellor soon did as well.

They came to small office, with the Dracun Flag hanging down, and the room was decorated elegantly. Though of this mattered, it was time for the hardest thing he had to do in his career, "Sir were on in 5-4-3..."

Dozens of thoughts flashed through his head of what was to come and then it hit one, "Hello my friends, today I bring troubling news. As many of you know we have allied ourselves closely with a nation who is quite controversial, and hits name is El Caudillo. Over the past several months our two nations grew closer as El Caudillo became a state of unbelievable darkness and was close to bringing us down that very path we have traveled before.

Now though we must stand firm against an ally who is in need of help, even if its not the help it wants. El Caudillo I am sorry to say this but we are not asking... we are demanding that you allow citizens to leave your country, the morality acts be somewhat repealed and reparations for all those killed under this current regime be paid.

As of now El Caudillo you and the Dracun Imperium are facing a fork in the road. One leads down a path all to well traveled, and the other the road that we need to follow. El Caudillo... chose the right the road I beg of you."


OOC: I also ask that this become the official EC thread, we don't want to keep spamming II.

The Ambassdor from Scellia, the familiar Mr. Lenitz stands up and begins clapping. Those who support action agianst El Caudillo, assuming that nothing changes, clap with him. After the appluase dies down he begins to speak,
"Mr. Chancellor, during the negoiations we found you to be a reasonable person trying to find something that we could all live with. With this proclaimation you have shown that this continues past preconcieved notions and into fact. We stand with on this, for genocide is something that no human can turn their back on."

Official Royal Statement Concerning El Caudillo:

Any nation invading the nation of El Caudillo, will not supported by Geisenfried. Be they 'right a wrong' for El Caudillo's tainted human rights record or not, you are trespassing the national soverignty of El Caudillo.

If the citizens of El Caudillo revolt, then I can understand you intervening on the side of freedom, but I see no such revolt, and thus, I can only see you treading on the national soverignty of El Caudillo. That is little more than imperialism, which is much frowned upon by the international community, including us.

However, we will not intervene on the side of El Caudillo either, unless they manage to clean up their human rights record. At least pay reparations to those you executed, and allow those who have discontent for the government to leave.

Respectfully,
King Alexander I

"Empirically genocide supercedes national soveriegnty, Scellia doesn't wish to tell a nation how to run its nation. Only that you cannot committe genocide, which is exactly what El Caudillo is doing."

[Official Imperial Proclomation]
In tandem with our allies, the Parthians, we have pressed an overture and we are to be officially considered an ally of El Caudillo. Furthermore, we must press the fact that we will work to defend El Caudillo without question, and we will not back down until all those who dare infringe upon El Caudillo's sovereignty themselves back off.

[signed]Jonach I

[OOC: This is the percect opportunity to use some of the early divisions of Foreign Waffen-SS.]

(My statement http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=427279)

as previously mentioned, we request that any refugees be sent to our lands, we hope that this will not be seen as a hostile action by El Caudillo's allies.

OFFICAL STATEMENT REGARDING THE DECLARATION OF WAR

We will only stand down if El Caudillo stops this atrocity and does not kill any more of his citizens for obseen reasons as what as happened recently, it is called Genocide and genocide is against the international community and should be stopped

END STATEMENT

FENC: BREAKING NEWS

Lara Roads reporting live outside the presidental Capital Hill

Lara: Earlier today the President forced a declaration of War on El Caudillo through congress and from the looks off it through out the day we have been recieveing reports off FutureEngland Naval harbours and Military bases have been jam packed with people preparing for the war also Mount Cape has been reveiled to be a massive weapons storage and missile silo as the top mysteriously opened and soldiers started appearing there through out the day, there is theorys that the president and his family and leading members of congress and the government have been moved to a safety bunker that is heavily guarded and anti-nuclear.

more breaking news will cut in on your normal tv and other side news will be moved to FENC-EXTRA

This is Lara Roads reporting live from outside The Presidental Capital Hill i bid you good night

"All dissidents who have not been executed will be exiled to Geisenfried and Spooty. There, you happy!?"

--Reynaldo Salazar, Minister of Foreign Affairs--

Tag for future ridicule.

i am happy, but im not the only one you have to answer to, a lot of nations are responding to the genocide commited within your nation, they are the ones you should be worried about.

The Imperial Shogunate of Pschycotic Pschycos will also serve in defense of El Caudillo. Despite human attrociaties that may have occured there, each nation is entiltled to run themselves in any way they see fit. It is not anyone's responsibility or right to try to forcefully change this. As such, we have no choice but to side with El Caudillo and help in their defense.

OOC:Good enough for now;)

IC:http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v159/Kacin_Carter/moml.jpg
Official Declaration of War
The Dracun Imperium hereby declares war on Feline Catfish and FutureEngland and the rest of them. Our forces are already moblized, and we are ready for a war like no other. El Caudillo is bending his laws and now we will bend over backwards for him.
~Chancellor Tinverian


OOC:Sorry for shortness be back in like five minutes.

"We thank those nations who are defending us. Their willingness to put principle above politics deeply heartens us."

--Salazar--

Since Scellia's only concren was the genocide being committed against the citizens of El Caudillo and not whatever laws they see fit to enact(beside genocidal ones) Scellia will no longer participate in any war against El Caudillo as long as they continue the policy of exiling dissenter/political prisoners/"scum" to Spooty etc. instead of killing them.

we will be sending 3 Civilian Paddle Steamships to pick up the refugees, they will be escorted up to the International waters border by 2 Ironclad Steamships, if the Civilian ships are fired upon we will consider this an open act of war, unless of course you wish to provide your own means of transportation.

"The nation of Joseph Seal declares itself neutral in this conflict, on grounds that it is dealing with it's own problems, and that it does not know enough about the "atrocities" that the nation, El Caudillo, has commited. However, once Joseph Seal hopefully deals with it's own crisis, it will be able to sell military weapons to both sides of the war, mainly naval ships and weapons."

-The Emperor of Joseph Seal

"All dissidents who have not been executed will be exiled to Geisenfried and Spooty. There, you happy!?"

--Reynaldo Salazar, Minister of Foreign Affairs--

Official Royal Response:

How we managed to get on the refugee recipient list is a mystery to me, but we'll accept the refugees with open arms, none the less.

We've dispatched some transport ships to pick up the refugees from El Caudillo. They will be under escort from a group of cruisers, due to the imminent threat of war.

Any fire on either group of ships will be equivalent to a declaration of war against Geisenfried, and treated accordingly.

Respectfully,
King Alexander I

After further review of "Morality" laws passed by El Caudillo, the Shogun himself has made an intervention and has decided to switch alliances. These so called "Morality" laws override basic human rights to life, libety, and the pursuit of happiness. Though understanding the confusion his nation's unclear stance will have caused, the Shogun has found it neccessary to switch. All humans have the right to do what they want (within understandable limits, not intruding on other's rights), and as such, we have seen fit that despite EC's soverignty, we can not stand by and watch such attrociaties take place. We apologize for the confusion.

Also, we have ordered a full mobilization of our armed services, navy, army, air force, and extra-atmospheric forces. The units of these branches as of this moment will stand ready should they be needed to liberate the people from this corrupt government. However, we wish to solve this without resorting to violence, and as such, we request that El Caudillo repeal their morality laws peacefully. Should this request be denied, the current government's saftey cannot be assured.

Further more, Pschycotic Pschycos will open its borders this one time to receive refugees. Three heavy transport ships will be sent to take on refugees. Two fully armed battleships will accompany them. Any hostile action taken upon any of our own, or other nation's peace ships, or escorts, will be returned ten-fold.

OFFICAL STATEMENT

Due to El Caudillo standing down and they have agreed to export all dissidents that have not been excecuted to be exported elsewhere the government offical retracts its declaration of war and asks that El Caudillo forgives us for attempting to go to war, but be warned any more genocide or atrocitys and we'll be back in there in an instant you wont know what hit you

END STATEMENT

STATEMENT TO ALL NATIONS ATTACKING El CAUDILLO

We regret to inform you that El Caudillo has given his word that there will be no more genocide or atrocitys and that all dissidents that have not been executed will be deported, and if any nations try to invade or attack El Caudillo we WILL step in and protect El Caudillo

OOC: sorry if i'm confusing any of you

Parthia has already declared our intentions to defend El Caudillo against Marxist agression, count on our support.

-Shah Khosru III

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v159/Kacin_Carter/moml.jpg
Official Government Declaration
We will not allow El Caudillo to be continually threatened; FutureEngland the state of war still exists between our two nations.

Statement
Jensai still stands against El Caudillo and their allies. They are the worst kind of monsters. THey cannot be allowed to continue their oppresive policies.

OOC:Can we get maps of your nations, FutureEngland and Jensai?

Official Imperial Statement

This cannot be allowed to stand! We will withdraw our support of El Caudillo if they release the heretics to the Marxist satanists. If they properly punish these criminals, the 200,000 Doomingslanders stationed on her soil shall fight to the last.

My nation will also be in this war. We're siding with FutureEngland, just so everything's clear.

OOC: well i'm kinda new to rping and i dont have a map, plus go up to my other post i said i'd protect El caudillo from threats to his nation in effect i've just switched sides because he apolgized and said that he wouldn't do it again

IC: Our Policy of protecting El Caudillo from attack still stands and will continue to stand as soon as the government of Dracun imperium drops his threats we will unmobilize our Military & Naval forces

if they release the heretics to the Marxist satanists

that would be clever if it wern't for the fact that were not Marxist and we dont belive in the devil

Official Imperial Response

You do Satan's will simply by being an unbeliever.

so we help Satan by not believing in him, ok, are you sure you're christian?

Okay, looks like I'm against FutrueEngland now. Also, I'm neither a Marxist or a satanist, thank you very much.

The Democratic Republic of Lankuria is to withdraw its trade sanctions against El Cordillo as a message of our hope for a diplomatic future between El Cordillo and ourselves, and is to adopt a neutral position in the conflict.

OOC: Wait, everyone is confused.
FutureEngland, do you think that you are supporting EC against Dracun?
Dracun, are you invading FutureEngland because he said that future atrocities will result in invasion of EC?
Doomingsland, are you invading EC due to the new policies?

OOC: Wait, everyone is confused.
FutureEngland, do you think that you are supporting EC against Dracun?
Dracun, are you invading FutureEngland because he said that future atrocities will result in invasion of EC?
Doomingsland, are you invading EC due to the new policies?
OOC:I already have 200,000 guys on his soil defending him, and I'm threatening to withdraw support, not attack.

OOC: Ok FutureEngland you can't flipflop like that your with or against EC
Doom wouldn't invade only withdraw his support and his troops
And I'm invading FE and the rest because they say there gonna attack or are attacking at the next oppurtunity

OOC: now i'm kinda confused ok lets sort this out, i am now neutral but if people like feline catfish etc try to invade EC i will protect EC, dracum apparantly is on EC's side but has still not retracted his declaration of war but as soon as he does i will unmobilize my army. ok to put it short to stop me babbling on i'm with EC

(OOC:I'm invading FE and the rest does that include me?)

OOC:No

OOC: I think that FE was warning EC not to start another genocide, not that he was going to invade at the next oppertunity.

OOC: sorry if i mucked up its my first real rp

Official Imperial Response

You do Satan's will simply by being an unbeliever.
"The nation of Joseph Seal takes offense to that statement, because the people are not Marxist, nor do they share your views, not even the Christians of this nation. Therefore, the people, and the government, demand that you retract your statement immediately."

-A letter from the emperor of Joseph Seal

Official Imperial Statement

This cannot be allowed to stand! We will withdraw our support of El Caudillo if they release the heretics to the Marxist satanists. If they properly punish these criminals, the 200,000 Doomingslanders stationed on her soil shall fight to the last.

Unofficial Royal Response:

HOW THE HELL WOULD WE BE MARXIST IF WE'RE A MONARCHY?!

Or does that fail to get through to your mind?

I can assure you we aren't satanic either.

We told you, we didn't expect to get the refugees, but since El Caudillo's asking us to take them, we will.

Respectfully,
King Alexander I

[OOC:

Ok guys, before we go on arguing over satanist and marxist, let me key you on something known as potilical propaganda. Technically, those prisoners might not be either satanist, nor Marxist, however, those supporting El Caudillo might refer to them as that, simply due to propaganda - in effect, they are exxagerating the "threat" and thereby justifying their claims.

Technically, these justifications might not be true, however, technicalities don't really matter in politics. So stop arguing about the fact that you're a monarcy - it's not going to stop him calling you satanist.]

OOC: I know. However, the leader I play as doesn't like to be called a marxist, fascist or just about any -ist you can think of. I'm simply roleplaying as the character would act.

However, I'm quite aware it's propaganda, thus why it's an unofficial Royal Response.

Parthia too, still holds FutureEngland in a state of war, your desire to build alliances against my good ally has forced me to decide you are a threat to his well being that can only be changed with a regime change in your nation.

-Shah Khosru III

{OOC: Lol, I never thought I'd side with EC...}

Offical StatementThe Religious Commonwealth of Jagada

Despite the fact that the Religious Commonwealth has condemned every actions committed by El Cordillo, along with establishing an embargo of the nation. It is El Cordillo's soverign right to govern themselves how they choose.

This so called "International Laws", which must be guiding the dissent directed towards El Cordillo does not stand up as a justification for war. In fact, I believe we should ask El Cordillo if they have ever signed any International Laws which forbid them to conduct themselves like they have.

That said, the Religious Commonwealth offically lifts its embargo of El Cordillo, and we pledge to stand and fight against the tide of liberals who proclaim to fight for "freedom", when they simply fight for bloodshed.

Signed,
Hunter Norris--The Religious Commonwealth of Jagada

"All dissidents who have not been executed will be exiled to Geisenfried and Spooty. There, you happy!?"

--Reynaldo Salazar, Minister of Foreign Affairs--


This statement deserves a chance. I urge everybody to stop using military force and start a peace conference.

Statement from Jensai Government
THe government has officially withdrawn it's decleration of war against El Caudillo. However, we not that Parthia is making threatening moves against Future England. If Parthia attempts invasion we will fight alongside Future England. Parthia will fight us a tough nut to crack.

Department of External Affairs

Official Imperial Statement

This cannot be allowed to stand! We will withdraw our support of El Caudillo if they release the heretics to the Marxist satanists. If they properly punish these criminals, the 200,000 Doomingslanders stationed on her soil shall fight to the last.

"Then they will not be released."

--Salazar--

"The emperor, and the nation of Joseph Seal for that matter, are outraged by the recent decision made by El Caudillo. The nation reminds El Caudillo that it had promised to release the "heretics" to other nations, yet now it has, essentially, flip-flopped. The nation demands that El Caudillo retract it's decision immediately."

-A Letter From The Emperor of Joseph Seal

"The emperor, and the nation of Joseph Seal for that matter, are outraged by the recent decision made by El Caudillo. The nation reminds El Caudillo that it had promised to release the "heretics" to other nations, yet now it has, essentially, flip-flopped. The nation demands that El Caudillo retract it's decision immediately."

-A Letter From The Emperor of Joseph Seal

"Releasing them would mean forfeiting the protection of Doomingsland. We do not wish to lose the support of an ally, hence, we had no choice but to 'flip-flop,' as you put it."

--Salazar--

"Then they will not be released."

and what of the Paddleboats in your docks who are loading with refugees as we speak?

(OOC: dude get your ass over to op santa guerra, :p)

"Releasing them would mean forfeiting the protection of Doomingsland. We do not wish to lose the support of an ally, hence, we had no choice but to 'flip-flop,' as you put it."

--Salazar--
"The nation of Joseph Seal is speechless of Salazar's response. The emperor himself is appalled, and announces that his nation will never sell weapons to El Caudillo or it's allies during this war."

-A Letter From the Vice-Emperor of Joseph Seal

DEespite our condemnations of El Caudillo, we believe it is the sovereign right of El Caudillo to govern their people how they choose. If you want to decale war on them, get a better reason.

~Valdun Nodockor

DEespite our condemnations of El Caudillo, we believe it is the sovereign right of El Caudillo to govern their people how they choose. If you want to decale war on them, get a better reason.

El Caudillian allies have began a campaign against the land of Future England for no just cause, we see this as a violation of anothers sovreign territory and so as a just cause for war, however we are attempting to solve this matter with the least casualties as possible

Official Imperial Statement

This cannot be allowed to stand! We will withdraw our support of El Caudillo if they release the heretics to the Marxist satanists. If they properly punish these criminals, the 200,000 Doomingslanders stationed on her soil shall fight to the last.The Red Temple will accept the refugees instead; indeed, we will accept any criminals who are not wanted in their current domicile. We need settlers for help in developing our hinterland.

As far as Doomingsland's concerns go, rest assured that the transported persons will likely consider life under our rule as bad a punishment as anyone can imagine.

OOC: Picture the Khmer Rouge. Now picture them as royalists who want to restore the old Khmer Empire. Now imagine them a little more Machiavellian and a whole lot smarter.

Welcome to the Red Temple. Yeah, we'll take your deported convicts - er, political asylum seekers. There's lots of good, honest work they can do in the jungles of Southeast Asia <WEG>

"Releasing them would mean forfeiting the protection of Doomingsland. We do not wish to lose the support of an ally, hence, we had no choice but to 'flip-flop,' as you put it."

--Salazar--

Doomingsland is a bad ally that wants war :gundge:

OOC: Sigh, and I thought that we had gotten over the geocide part.

With this lastest statement by El Caudillo officials Scellia feels that it must return to the same position it was at before the reversal of policy. Scellia also hopes that Dracun Imperium will also revert back to its stance previous to the EC policy change.

Doomingsland is a bad ally that wants war :gundge:

[OOC: You got that right. But, Doomingsland also basically guarantees El Caudillo his first major victory on NS. Sure, our invasion of Future England is uncalled for, unjust and unneeded - but we want blood, because we're bored. Meh.]

Please make future posts about El Caudillo in the Santa Guerra thread.

[OOC: You got that right. But, Doomingsland also basically guarantees El Caudillo his first major victory on NS. Sure, our invasion of Future England is uncalled for, unjust and unneeded - but we want blood, because we're bored. Meh.]

This is really starting to tempt me to "Meta-Game" or in other words, jump to the defense of FutureEngland aganist the inevitable dog-pile for OOC reasons, IC be damned.

This is turning into another Feline Catfish or Call To Power dog-pile from a couple months ago. Lets not have this bullshit all over again, or I am going to raise hell like I did two months ago.

This is really starting to tempt me to "Meta-Game" or in other words, jump to the defense of FutureEngland aganist the inevitable dog-pile for OOC reasons, IC be damned.

This is turning into another Feline Catfish or Call To Power dog-pile from a couple months ago. Lets not have this bullshit all over again, or I am going to raise hell like I did two months ago.

OOC: I wanted to invade to secure EC and get a few million slaves myself, at least, moreso than I'm doing it because I'm bored.

OOC: I wanted to invade to secure EC and get a few million slaves myself, at least, moreso than I'm doing it because I'm bored.

Well, don't go overboard, or call in big-ass allies of 1+ billion nations to fight FutureEngland. You can handle FutureEngland by yourself, no need for Dracun Imperium or other big nations to get involved.

Well, don't go overboard, or call in big-ass allies of 1+ billion nations to fight FutureEngland. You can handle FutureEngland by yourself, no need for Dracun Imperium or other big nations to get involved.

OOC: There was no calling in, we just decided El Caudillo's security necessitated the destruction of FE.

Statement to all nations involved in the conflict by Charman Alexance

Recently it has come to my attention that the nation of El Caudilo has been oppressing it's people, they have switched their decisions often as have the oposing parties, it is a wise plan to simply retract all insults, declarations and start over on a fresh slate and see the result. FutureEngland does seem to be looking for an excuse to invade and thus needs to be kept under a stern eye but use of military force is not always the best option indeed will this war be cheap? In both the lives of your nation and your finances?
However I wish no part in this conflict, if conflict it does become, Uldarious hereby states its neutral stance.

OFFICIAL STATEMENT OF THE GOVERNMENT OF SOUTH AFRICA

The South African government believes that the situation in El Caudillo must be contained at all cost. While we do not believe that at this time military action is required, we will begin a policy of non-recognition of the government of El Caudillo.

This is really starting to tempt me to "Meta-Game" or in other words, jump to the defense of FutureEngland aganist the inevitable dog-pile for OOC reasons, IC be damned.

This is turning into another Feline Catfish or Call To Power dog-pile from a couple months ago. Lets not have this bullshit all over again, or I am going to raise hell like I did two months ago.


[OOC: FE is the one who brought it upon himself by calling a godpile on El Caudillo. We're now returning the favor. If you want to jump in, on his defense, go right ahead, I'm not here to stop you.]

[OOC: FE is the one who brought it upon himself by calling a godpile on El Caudillo. We're now returning the favor. If you want to jump in, on his defense, go right ahead, I'm not here to stop you.]

Lets see... FE is a tiny nation, and his allies are mostly 1 - 3 month old nations with tiny military and populations that don't even reach 400+ million. On the other hand, the forming "invader coalition" aganist FE are nations of 1.5+ billion population. If Parthia invaded FE and allies, he can hold his own without any help from Dracun Imperium or anyone else.

Dog-pile A (FE's side) = several tiny nations of 10 - 400 million population each.

Dog-pile B (El Caudillo's side) = several huge nations of 1.5+ billion each.


When more big nations join in aganist FE, it tips the scales too much, ruining RP and perhaps running FE off NS. From what I've seen, FE has promise to be a good writer / RP'er like Feline Catfish showed promise. I really hate to see newcomers get run off NS by the (insert sarcasm) "Big, Old, Wise nations" (end sarcasm) just because they try to be "Good" nations and try to prevent "Evil" like genocide, mass murder, grave injustices, etc.

In I.I. it has became standard for nations to RP as evil nations, and I think its in part due to AMF and Doomingsland. People try to emulate AMF and Doomingsland's brutuality and evilness, exactly like young teenager girls try to emulate Britney Spears or uber-sexy Hollywood actresses and starlets.

I'll bet you $100 bucks that if AMF transfomed into a "Good" nation such as Damien Dreadfire becoming a peaceful person that does "Good" things, then the I.I. crowd will follow suit, transforming themselves into "Good" nations to emulate AMF. He is like the Brad Pitt, Johnny Depp, Matt Damon, or Colin Farrell of NS.

(end rant)

[OOC: FE has a population of around 3.4 billion last time I checked. And, I can tell you right now, my nation's character has nothing to do with Doomingsland or AMF - in fact, I try to emulate AMF as least as possible, since I dislike AMFs crowd of "lapdogs". Most of what I do is based on what I read about the Second World War, especially the SS and German atrocities. More and more is being based off the Mongols and Turks however, especially the Romanian/Hungarian Vlad Dracula.]

OOC: well, this is one "good" nation that will stand by FE. I may be crushed, but I'll stick to it.

OOC: My nation would also stand by Future England's side, but only as support and selling supplies unfortunately... Joseph Seal has no military. ^^; (Seriously, Joseph Seal has no military, only a very large police and security force.)

OOC: Scellia going to stand by FE because EC switched posittions, again. Could soemone draw up a new list of whose fighting, Dracun Imperium dropped out and I think that Sharina joined the allies.

OOC: Scellia going to stand by FE because EC switched posittions, again. Could soemone draw up a new list of whose fighting, Dracun Imperium dropped out and I think that Sharina joined the allies.
OOC:Dracun's gonna rejoin on the allied side, actualy.

{OOC: Alright, I joined in the defense of El Caudillo, but I would be more than happy to join FutureEngland, if only to improve the upcoming war rp.}

Huh? I thought FutureEngland was a Feb 2005 nation, that would give him a population of 600 - 700 million?

My brain must have been fried when I wrote these posts, as I really actually did believe that FutureEngland was a newbie nation, like 50 - 400 million population. :confused:

After hesitation, the United States of Shalrirorchia has announced it will provide logistical and intelligence support for the coalition to oust the government of El Caudillo, and it may commit troops to combat as well.

Lets see... FE is a tiny nation, and his allies are mostly 1 - 3 month old nations with tiny military and populations that don't even reach 400+ million. On the other hand, the forming "invader coalition" aganist FE are nations of 1.5+ billion population. If Parthia invaded FE and allies, he can hold his own without any help from Dracun Imperium or anyone else.

Dog-pile A (FE's side) = several tiny nations of 10 - 400 million population each.

Dog-pile B (El Caudillo's side) = several huge nations of 1.5+ billion each.


When more big nations join in aganist FE, it tips the scales too much, ruining RP and perhaps running FE off NS. From what I've seen, FE has promise to be a good writer / RP'er like Feline Catfish showed promise. I really hate to see newcomers get run off NS by the (insert sarcasm) "Big, Old, Wise nations" (end sarcasm) just because they try to be "Good" nations and try to prevent "Evil" like genocide, mass murder, grave injustices, etc.

In I.I. it has became standard for nations to RP as evil nations, and I think its in part due to AMF and Doomingsland. People try to emulate AMF and Doomingsland's brutuality and evilness, exactly like young teenager girls try to emulate Britney Spears or uber-sexy Hollywood actresses and starlets.

I'll bet you $100 bucks that if AMF transfomed into a "Good" nation such as Damien Dreadfire becoming a peaceful person that does "Good" things, then the I.I. crowd will follow suit, transforming themselves into "Good" nations to emulate AMF. He is like the Brad Pitt, Johnny Depp, Matt Damon, or Colin Farrell of NS.

(end rant)
I agree there are too many evil nations, I am one of the few voices of freedom but I cant make a stand no because I have a puny nation (how does a Very democratic and An Frightening economy with a pop of 1.1 billion sounds?) But mainly my tech level. So my support is reduced to mental and logistical support.

Lets see... FE is a tiny nation, and his allies are mostly 1 - 3 month old nations with tiny military and populations that don't even reach 400+ million. On the other hand, the forming "invader coalition" aganist FE are nations of 1.5+ billion population. If Parthia invaded FE and allies, he can hold his own without any help from Dracun Imperium or anyone else.

Dog-pile A (FE's side) = several tiny nations of 10 - 400 million population each.

Dog-pile B (El Caudillo's side) = several huge nations of 1.5+ billion each.


When more big nations join in aganist FE, it tips the scales too much, ruining RP and perhaps running FE off NS. From what I've seen, FE has promise to be a good writer / RP'er like Feline Catfish showed promise. I really hate to see newcomers get run off NS by the (insert sarcasm) "Big, Old, Wise nations" (end sarcasm) just because they try to be "Good" nations and try to prevent "Evil" like genocide, mass murder, grave injustices, etc.

In I.I. it has became standard for nations to RP as evil nations, and I think its in part due to AMF and Doomingsland. People try to emulate AMF and Doomingsland's brutuality and evilness, exactly like young teenager girls try to emulate Britney Spears or uber-sexy Hollywood actresses and starlets.

I'll bet you $100 bucks that if AMF transfomed into a "Good" nation such as Damien Dreadfire becoming a peaceful person that does "Good" things, then the I.I. crowd will follow suit, transforming themselves into "Good" nations to emulate AMF. He is like the Brad Pitt, Johnny Depp, Matt Damon, or Colin Farrell of NS.

(end rant)

Actually, the entry of the Shalrirorchians into Group A may alter the mechanics of the conflict somewhat. 2.467 billion population, powerhouse economy with a huge defense budget. I have been here a long time, and there are not many individual nations here that wield greater power than I. ;)

I do have a suggestion though.....why not recreate the thread and limit the number of people on either side of the alliance who can participate?

And I've never been an evil country. From the time when I was a little nation with only 12 million or so people, I have sent troops and signed alliances to try and rein in bad guys.

i created my nation when NS first started but it died of inactivity a few times unfortunatly so it changed my date of founding

I do have a suggestion though.....why not recreate the thread and limit the number of people on either side of the alliance who can participate?

And I've never been an evil country. From the time when I was a little nation with only 12 million or so people, I have sent troops and signed alliances to try and rein in bad guys.


[OOC: In all actuality, the 'evil' alliance is really splitting up the invasions. FutureEngland is getting invaded by the Parthians, and Dracun by Doomingsland. Myself, I split to attack both, but I'm leaving on the 4th of July. Meaning, the 'evil' nations are severely outnumbered. Of course, there is Fluffywuffy and that adds a lot of weight, and I think he's going to help against Dracun, I'm not completely sure.

Either way, FutureEngland is 3.5 billion, which exceeds The Parthians, while there's also Democratic Colonies, which exceeds any of us, and then there is yourself, which almost equals Doomingsland. Adding all the rest of the small countries, the sides are pretty much even.]

Well I wish I could take part in the war, but the main problem is that I am FT. You know ways for me to help fight against dictators.

Well I wish I could take part in the war, but the main problem is that I am FT. You know ways for me to help fight against dictators.

OOC: Turn modern tech entirely, use modern weapons or make your own modern weapons and then join in on the allied side to tip the balance. It makes you respectable and gives you a chance to throw your weight around. A nation of 1.1 billion is still pretty powerful, hell, last july when I was about your size I was already throwing my weight around.

Gotcha.

I was speaking about the bad guys in I.I. in general. There are too many "Evil Nations" in I.I. that commit genocide and atrocities, but whenever newcomers or "Good Nations" try to put a stop to the genocide and atrocities, they almost always get squashed by massive coalitions of nations supporting the "Evil Nations".

It is no fun to RP if nearly everybody is "Evil". Ditto if everybody is "Good" hence I believe that a good balance of Good / Evil nations would make RP'ing better in NS. Without Good, there cannot be Evil, and without Evil, there cannot be Good. A balance must be found, so that we can actually have RP's that continue for weeks instead of ending in just 1 week from "Giant Squash Of Doom (tm)".

Just my honest and humble opinion.