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Information on the Kriegos Army


Proletarian Guard

Overview:- This lumbering organization makes up the bulk of the armies of Kriegorgrad, ineptly armed soldiers, if not badly trained, are the first line of defence for the Collective Oligarchy; the ineptitude mainly falls upon the shoulders of some of the more overconfident generals of the Proletarian Guard. The Proletarian Guard numbers above fifty million fighting men, an absolutely mammoth fighting force and one that is an absolute nightmare to fight in warfare of attrition.

Compulsory to join: Why, of course.

Enlistment requirement: As long as the Collective Oligarchy deems fit.

Average conscription time:- Until the poor bastards catch a bullet in the chest.

Overall Commander:- Comrade General Melchett (http://www.british-sitcom.co.uk/blackadder/graphics/char_melchett2.gif)

Size:- Above fifty million fighting men, numbers too mammoth to be numbered precisely.

Standard Issue Equipment; used but not limited to:- Lee Enfield bolt action rifle (all versions) (http://world.guns.ru/rifle/rfl04-e.htm), Sten submachine gun mk.III (http://world.guns.ru/smg/smg38-e.htm), Bren light machine gun mk.III (http://world.guns.ru/machine/mg10-e.htm), Projector Infantry Anti-Tank (PIAT), Webley mk.IV revolver (http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg91-e.htm) and EM-2 assault rifle (http://world.guns.ru/assault/as59-e.htm) (paratroopers).

Ordos Fedor

Overview:- While the Proletarian Guardsmen are indoctrinated to love Comrade Leader Nikolai Fedorenkov, only the most devout are even considered for the Ordos Fedor, this elite group numbers exactly a thousand fighting men, armed with the best equipment Kriegorgrad has to offer; it has been commented that all the destitution of the Proletarian Guardsmen was the sacrifice needed to allow the Ordos Fedor to be as luxuriously equipped as it is.

Compulsory to join: No.

Enlistment requirement: As long as they can keep up with the rest of the pack.

Average conscription time:- Usually about ten years, upon completion they are given “inner party” status.

Overall Commander:- Comrade General Melchett (http://www.british-sitcom.co.uk/blackadder/graphics/char_melchett2.gif)

Size:- Exactly one thousand Ordos Fedor soldiers, it is always kept at this optimum number.

Standard Issue Equipment; used but not limited to:- SR-90X1 assault rifle and the VEPR (http://s6.invisionfree.com/International_Mall/index.php?showtopic=1053) Next Generation Combat System.



Youth Guard

Overview:- The boy soldiers of Kriegorgrad, the epitome of the teenage years of a Kriegos teenager: filled with lies and training. While only beckoned into combat under times of most extreme pressure for the state, not because of the moral dilemma but simply because children are inferior soldiers, if a child was as strong as a fully grown man; the government would likely exploit them. While rarely seen, they play an important part in Kriegos warfare on the home front – they are used as cannon fodder by particularly ruthless generals when the Proletarian Guard are going to charge an enemy position.

Compulsory to join: Why, of course.

Enlistment requirement: As long as it take for them to be old enough for the Proletarian Guard.

Average conscription time:- Varies, Proletarian Guard only accepts eighteen year olds, so about ten-to-eight years of time in the Youth Guard.

Overall Commander:- Comrade General Melchett (http://www.british-sitcom.co.uk/blackadder/graphics/char_melchett2.gif)

Size:- Numbers haven’t been counted, although the estimates are around one hundred million part time members, only to be used in the case of a draft.

Standard Issue Equipment:- Hand-me-downs from the other two branches, although it is an extremely rare occasion when a piece of equipment arrives from the Ordos Fedor. Lee Enfields make up the mainstay of the weaponry though.

Proletarian Fleet

Overview:- The Kriegos navy, like its land based cousins, relies on quantity, not quality. Many of Kriegorgrad’s ships date back from the cold war era or earlier, the only moderately modern craft would be the Floating Fortress, which, while quite new in design, is ancient in concept. Most of the Kriegos Fleet consists of aging British or Eastern Bloc ships, most notably Soviet.

Compulsory to join: Of course, the Oligarchy needs men to pilot its clumsy and lumbering fleet.

Enlistment requirement: As long as the Collective Oligarchy deems fit.

Average conscription time:- Until their ship gets blown asunder.

Overall Commander:- Fleet Admiral Heatherton (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v227/Kriegorgrad/images.jpg)

Size:- Numbering over eight thousand vessels, the amount of crewmen and ships are too numerous to be counted precisely.

Standard Issue Equipment:- Hand-me-downs from the Proletarian Guard.

Proletarian Airforce

Overview:- While not really a branch in its own right, the airforce is really a part of the Proletarian Guard, more of an extension to be exact, however the Kriegos airforce does partake in its own missions, on occasion. MIG-21 Fishbeds (http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/mig-21.htm) are the mainstay of the Proletarian Airforce, however SU-22 Fitter (http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/su-17.htm) also serve alongside the more nimble MIG’s, albeit with different tasks in mind. Most of Kriegorgrad’s airforce is based Cold War era Russian technology.

Compulsory to join: What do you think, why, of course!

Enlistment requirement: Until they get blown asunder in one of the Comrade General’s inept “tactical” manoeuvres with planes.

Average conscription time:- As long as they survive/have the ability to fly a plane.

Overall Commander:- Comrade General Melchett (http://www.british-sitcom.co.uk/blackadder/graphics/char_melchett2.gif)

Size:- Roughly twenty-thousand planes, not including the aircraft found on the carriers of the Proletarian Fleet.

Standard Issue Equipment: Smaller, lighter weapons that filter down through the Proletarian Guard, old Webley revolvers and Sten guns are the bread and butter weapons of the crews that pilot Proletarian aircraft.

Proletarian Star Fleet

Overview:- The Proletarian Star Fleet is one of the newest branches to the Kriegos military, bringing its brutal and blunt style of fighting to the inky gloom of space. The Kriegos Oligarchy realised that it couldn’t truly compete with its rivals in terms of technology, so it decided to adopt a tactic that rendered technology obsolete – hand-to-hand combat. Kriegorgrad has trained its Star Fleet specifically for boarding action via Confiscate (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9316206#post9316206) High Speed Insertion Pods, which is in turn launched by the mass drivers built into the Liberator-class starships (Same link). For more information on the boarding teams themselves, please read the description of the Proletarian Marines.

Compulsory to join: Yes but selection is far tougher than the other branches, excluding the Ordos Fedor.

Enlistment requirement: As long as they can crew one of the Star Ships.

Average conscription time:- Until the men crewing it get sucked out into the vacuum due to a well placed rail slug from an enemy vessel.

Overall Commander:- Starfleet Admiral Darlington ( http://www.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/6/6a/180px-Captdarling.gif)

Size:- Numbering about fifty ships with one-hundred and fifty Proletarian Marines per ship.

Standard Issue Equipment: Whatever is left over after the Proletarian Marines have raided the ships armoury.

Proletarian Marines

Overview:- Unlike most militaries’ marines, the Proletarian Marines are trained exclusively for space combat, they are in no way related to the Proletarian ‘wet’ Fleet, trained specifically for boarding actions and defence, they are equipped accordingly and armoured accordingly, wearing the Proletarian Guard uniform reinforced with armour plates and more modern helmet (think a cross between Cadians and English soldiers). The boarding teams often engage in hand-to-hand combat with their trench spikes and bayoneted weapons, this is wear the armour truly shines, thanks to the cramped nature of space vessels, the weapons the marines employ are perfect for cramped spaces where the enemy has no chance of escape.

Compulsory to join: Yes, soldiers are picked from the Proletarian Guard.

Enlistment requirement: For as long as they can do their job.

Average conscription time:- Until the ship they’re stationed on is annihilated or a boarding action goes wrong.

Overall Commander:- Starfleet Admiral Darlington ( http://www.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/6/6a/180px-Captdarling.gif)

Size:- Roughly seven-thousand-and-five-hundred, however, these numbers will swell once the Proletarian Star Fleet increases in size.

Standard Issue Equipment: Lee Enfield bolt action rifle (all versions), submachine gun mk.III, Bren light machine gun mk.III, Projector Infantry Anti-Tank (PIAT), Webley mk.IV revolver, EM-2 assault rifle and Trench Spikes (http://www.gunmuse.com/uploadphotos/1119123586.jpg).



Comments welcome, please note anything that should be added or if I should edit the format. Post nagging/compliment; essentially any constructive criticism. Thanks.

Chunks were procured from ANL’s own template with some added information.

Proletarian Marines and Proletarian Starfleet added!

OOC: Interesting structure Krieg. Do I detect just a hint of Warhammer 40k in your organisation? I'm no expert in this, but perhaps your 'Ordos Fedor' could be slightly larger; considering your main troops number over 50 Million, to just have 1,000 Elite troops seems very small; I know eite units are by their essence small, but perhaps you could have several battalions and still keep it down to an elite number?

Anyway, nice writing :)

OOC: Hmm... fifty million fighting men? If so, where's the combat support, logistical support, and most importantly, where are the sailors and airmen? However overall nicely written, and certainly an unique touch to it.

ooc: It's hard work trying to describe the structure of an NS military, i'm sure Kriegorgrad will soon post an edit boasting of how l337 his airforce and navy are.

And I think support is implied in his description.

OOC: Remember people, he's a shitty communist state. Imagine the Proletarian Guard as a horde of cannon fodder, not trained but used to overwhelm the enemy with their superior numbers.

Works for me :D

It says fifty million fighting men, there's no mention of support just that it's a big lumbering beast and as such that makes it rather simpler to defeat through tactical numerical superiority than on a strategic scale. Assuming these soldiers are actually going to be motivated you're going to be paying off huge sums in mere house keeping tasks such as housing, pay, medical care, education and the rest.

You want a big military? Fine but at least state in italics or something This army is grossly incpable of doing anything but sitting on its ass because I can't supply the troops with hot meals let alone bullets.

OOC: Hmm... fifty million fighting men? If so, where's the combat support, logistical support, and most importantly, where are the sailors and airmen? However overall nicely written, and certainly an unique touch to it.I would suppose that this falls under the ineptitude mainly falls upon the shoulders of some of the more overconfident generals of the Proletarian Guard. And given that Kriegorgrad runs on a 1984esque system that demands numbers, not practicality, logistics (Reads, force projection outside your borders) are less of an issue.

It says fifty million fighting men, there's no mention of support just that it's a big lumbering beast and as such that makes it rather simpler to defeat through tactical numerical superiority than on a strategic scale. Assuming these soldiers are actually going to be motivated you're going to be paying off huge sums in mere house keeping tasks such as housing, pay, medical care, education and the rest.Oh? Ever heard the term 'propaganda'. Given Kriegorgrad's style, motivation is a given. There's an enemy out there. And given that Kriegorgrad mentioend ineptitude, no, no education. Not necessary, for the regime.

You want a big military? Fine but at least state in italics or something This army is grossly incpable of doing anything but sitting on its ass because I can't supply the troops with hot meals let alone bullets.What part of Kriegorsgrad didn't you read? The entirety of it? He said rather explkicitly that those are poorly equipped. And given what various nations mentioend in the RL past (Say, Sovjets, Germany), this force is entirely possible.

A fighting force, that is, not what you're assuming. Oddly enough, not everyone goes for the 'Standard western nation' deal.

OOC: Interesting structure Krieg. Do I detect just a hint of Warhammer 40k in your organisation? I'm no expert in this, but perhaps your 'Ordos Fedor' could be slightly larger; considering your main troops number over 50 Million, to just have 1,000 Elite troops seems very small; I know eite units are by their essence small, but perhaps you could have several battalions and still keep it down to an elite number?

Anyway, nice writing :)

I haven't checked on this thread in a long time, I thought it'd died but thankfully, you lot have been breathing life into it, something I should be doing, not you!

Thanks man, I might consider upping the 1,000 Ordos Fedor but I might keep the number, sounds all nice and metric!

OOC: Hmm... fifty million fighting men? If so, where's the combat support, logistical support, and most importantly, where are the sailors and airmen? However overall nicely written, and certainly an unique touch to it.

Fifty million men, the combat support and logistical support is what Kriegorgrad is geared towards, entire cities are devoted solely to the manufacture of bullets and munitions. Kriegorgrad is a backward nation geared for conflict, where other nations fail and splutter in the dark times of war, Kriegorgrad revels in it. Thanks for your comments on the writing, nice to know it's noticed!

ooc: It's hard work trying to describe the structure of an NS military, i'm sure Kriegorgrad will soon post an edit boasting of how l337 his airforce and navy are.

And I think support is implied in his description.

How 1337 my airforce and navy? I used thirty-to-fifty year old ships, as well as MIG-21's as the "high quality craft" for my airforce! However, you did get right that it's hard work trying to describe and NS army.

OOC: Remember people, he's a shitty communist state. Imagine the Proletarian Guard as a horde of cannon fodder, not trained but used to overwhelm the enemy with their superior numbers.

Works for me :D

Tsk tsk Zarbia, don't they teach you to read in the colonies! They are trained but that doesn't stop the fact that they double as cannon fodder!



It says fifty million fighting men, there's no mention of support just that it's a big lumbering beast and as such that makes it rather simpler to defeat through tactical numerical superiority than on a strategic scale. Assuming these soldiers are actually going to be motivated you're going to be paying off huge sums in mere house keeping tasks such as housing, pay, medical care, education and the rest.

You want a big military? Fine but at least state in italics or something This army is grossly incpable of doing anything but sitting on its ass because I can't supply the troops with hot meals let alone bullets.

The soldiers, as Der Angst said, are highly motivated, due to the fact they are pumped full of propaganda from birth. Housing consists of the cheap English council-esque high rises, covered in grime and muck. Education and propaganda are one in the same. Medical care is an evil tool of the bourgeoisie and the rest, quite frankly, don't exist! The entire nation is tasked with supporting the army, the poverty that results isn't particularly an issue with the Kriegos government, in fact, it's a plus. Poor people with no education don't know if the system above them is working, nor do they care, all they want to do is make ends-meet.



I would suppose that this falls under the ineptitude mainly falls upon the shoulders of some of the more overconfident generals of the Proletarian Guard. And given that Kriegorgrad runs on a 1984esque system that demands numbers, not practicality, logistics (Reads, force projection outside your borders) are less of an issue.

Oh? Ever heard the term 'propaganda'. Given Kriegorgrad's style, motivation is a given. There's an enemy out there. And given that Kriegorgrad mentioend ineptitude, no, no education. Not necessary, for the regime.

What part of Kriegorsgrad didn't you read? The entirety of it? He said rather explkicitly that those are poorly equipped. And given what various nations mentioend in the RL past (Say, Sovjets, Germany), this force is entirely possible.

A fighting force, that is, not what you're assuming. Oddly enough, not everyone goes for the 'Standard western nation' deal.

You understand far more about Kriegorgrad than most do, I liked how you mentioned "an enemy", it doesn't matter who the enemy is, the fact remains that Kriegorgrad needs a huge army to keep its people safe and the "enemy" is simply a justification to its people. I concur with the third paragraph full-heartedly, the fact that Orwell based 1984 off Stalinist Russia implies that the idea of an oversized army is completely within the bounds of possibility.

Kriegorgrad can project its soldiers, as it has a huge but ineptly crafted fleet, however, what Kriegorgrad finds immensely difficult to do, is supply those same soldiers. The best that Kriegorgrad can do, if the nation is too far away, is give each trooper three days of food and water - after that, their on their own, as you might've guessed, looting and scavenging is endorsed by the Kriegos military in foreign lands.

Thank you, also, for not attaching a contemptuous stigmata to the fact that I'm not using the SWEAT (Small, well equipped and trained) template like so many other nations use nowadays. The Proletarian Guard is simply a way to tap into the brilliant character of the World War I British soldiers and to mix it with a bit of Orwellian fanaticism.

Only 1,000 Ordos Fedor? I'm sure you could have more of these.

With the public wanting me, I might have to upgrade the numbers of the Fedorites (great new word, isn't it?), however, it may only come when the rest of the army is enlarged. Yes, the Proletarian Guard might get even bigger!

You should up the Fedorites to 10 000 so it can furfill a wider range of operations otherwise it can only achieve a handfull of objectives before it runs out of manpower, fifty million men is a lot but you do not seem to have much AA or AF (anti fortifaction...probably spelt that wrong) weapons so wouldn't that make it pretty hard for you to engadge a enemy force even a 1/4 of your size? (assuming they have a well equipped army of about 12 million+ not that hard by NS standards).

Standard Issue Equipment; used but not limited to:- Lee Enfield bolt action rifle, Sten submachine gun, Bren light machine gun, Projector Infantry Anti-Tank (PIAT) and Webley Revolver.

I understand what you're on about Uldarious, but my soldiers will have some anti-air systems, I just don't know enough about military stuff to find out what those systems are, with anti-fortification stuff, the Proletarian Guard has more than its fair share of artillery.

By the way, it's spelt "fortification", just to let you know!

Added Proletarian Navy and Proletarian Airforce!

Considering your first post makes no mention of the society, the conclusions I drew are based on a... I won't say normal society but you get the idea. Anyway, it is pleasing to see something other than another SWEAT, as you put it but then again popular culture is centered around such ideas.

[OOC: Krieg, do you mind if I steal your idea?]

Considering your first post makes no mention of the society, the conclusions I drew are based on a... I won't say normal society but you get the idea. Anyway, it is pleasing to see something other than another SWEAT, as you put it but then again popular culture is centered around such ideas.

Actually, I did mention society: Collective Oligarchy. The two words essentially mean "communist state ruled by a council", communism usually entails poverty!


[OOC: Krieg, do you mind if I steal your idea?]

Which one?

[OOC: This thread in general. The decription of the military.]

Only if you use a different template - I want this one to be a Krieg original.

Thanks.

OoC: Major edit and adding of Proletarian Marines/Starfleet.