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Three days after current President-For-Life and former Minister of Internal Security Trapagon Melvaig seized power in a well-orchestrated coup, demonstrators calling for democracy have been brutally murdered by riot police.

After calling upon the protesters to disperse, police opened fire, killing an unknown number rumored to be as high as several thousand, and certainly no fewer than five to six hundred.

Over the past week, Kadabadar has gone through three national leaders. Former President Alkranon Pelvadnir, known for his various human rights reforms, resigned amidst protests calling for free elections, and was replaced in a peaceful and orderly fashion by Elkanor Pagnakin, who served as Minister of Justice in the first few years of Pelvadnir's reign, but was removed after calling for political reforms to supplement the civil ones. Pagnakin promised elections within a month, but was assasinated a day after taking power by gunmen rumored to be Pelvadnir supporters.

After a day and a half of tumultuous unrest, Melvaig took control, promising security, and promptly arrested Pelvadnir for his alleged responsibility for the killing of Pagnakin. Most tentatively accepted this transfer of power, hoping that order would be restored and free elections would be held.

But after Melvaig declared publicly that "elections are a grave threat to the security of this great nation," protests for democracy were resumed.

The protesters called for free and open elections and for expansion of President Pelvadnir's reforms.

Melvaig stated after the attack that he "would not rest" until every "traitor, dissident, so-called 'human rights advocate,' and other threats to our national security is shot or imprisoned." Several reports of attacks on pro-democracy organizations - left alone by the former regime - have surfaced, though it is unclear to what extent this has occurred.

An organization calling itself the "Organization for Democracy in Kadabadar" has called upon the international community to intervene to "stop Melvaig's slaughter of his own people" and to "establish freedom and democracy."

The Holy Republic of Soheran strongly condemns this vile attack.

Mass murder is never a solution, and is completely unacceptable.

From this point until a time when human rights are respected I have banned trade with the Government of Kadabadar.

Dania Larnion
Holy Voice of Righteousness

Scellian leaders, annoyed at heaving to keep track of all the policy changes and the murders have not only embargoed Kadabadar but also placed an aerial blockade around the nation stopping all land, sea and air traffic into and out of ther nation.

OOC:You do relize that a ariel blockade is impossible from a logistical standpoint... right?

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End Message

Scellian leaders, annoyed at heaving to keep track of all the policy changes and the murders have not only embargoed Kadabadar but also placed an aerial blockade around the nation stopping all land, sea and air traffic into and out of ther nation.

OOC: How did they go about doing this?

Are there Scellian aircraft carriers near Kadabadar? How many?

How many planes are involved in this blockade?

OOC: Most of our planes are based in Scellia, extensive inflight refueling is required to do this. What it won't do is keep out any small stuff like smugglers or single ships but what it will do is keep major traffic and aircraft out. If you wanted an absolute aerial blockade it would be impossible but using about 20-30 long endurance stealth bombers(not B-2's) with submunition dispensing cruise missiles and space based weaponry it is possible. It would cost about the same to maintain the blaockade as it would to keep all the troops currently in Iraq by the US. If you really want specifics on the planes I'll give them too you. The "stopping all land, sea and air traffic" was mostly PR, but it will be a huge headache for a trade minister and stop most large arms shipments.

OOC:RRRRRRIIIIIIIIIIGGGGGGGHHHHHHTTTTTTTTTTTTT.... So you have the capability to constantly keep your planes out there? Pilots need to sleep too. The way I see it, there will be irregular periods of time when you CANNOT mantain the blockade. Plus, sinking other nations ships is considered a act of war.

OOC: If you rotate planes, say every 12 hours, then you wouldn't have a problem. Only if you tried to keep the same planes on station for days at a time would you run into problems. Plus, unless someone RP's one of their ships refusing to turn back it won't be a problem. Its not like my bombers will fire without warning at inbound targets, they will get warnings.

OOC: However you do it logistically, how do you expect 20-30 planes to enforce an effective blockade on a nation of 228 million?

I don't mind the blockade, I'm just trying to figure out how easy it would be to bypass.

OOC:Even with midair refueling... a plane cant remain in the air 12 hours. The tanker has to REACH the plane. Plus, flying a jet fighter is a extremely demanding job, not to mention that the pilots have to have lunch, go to the bathroom, and such. I would estimate you would be able to keep a airplane in the air for 4 hours MAX... and that includes the time it took to fly to and back. Then there is the factor that you cannot turn a ship back with a airplane if it refuses to comply, you would have to sink it. Regardless of whether you warned it or not, that is still a act of war. And if the ship has any weapons, it would be free to fire in self-defense. Finally, since you have not declared war on him, this blockade would be illegal under international law. You also cannot stop him trading over ground which would mean you would have to violate his(and other peoples) national airspace. This is ALSO a violation of international law and allows him to shoot your planes down.

OOC: Not very well. Ground traffic would be practically impossible to stop especially ones that are disguised as civilians as my planes don't really want to start slaughtering people. Things that are obvious like SAMs and tanks would have a high chance of being intercepted. Air traffic would be much easier as they can be warned and easily seen unlike ground traffic, and sea traffic would be hurt but not completely blockaded because small ships could make it undetected.

OOC: Did you read my last post?

OOC:Even with midair refueling... a plane cant remain in the air 12 hours. The tanker has to REACH the plane. Plus, flying a jet fighter is a extremely demanding job, not to mention that the pilots have to have lunch, go to the bathroom, and such. I would estimate you would be able to keep a airplane in the air for 4 hours MAX... and that includes the time it took to fly to and back.
Thats completely untrue, according to Wikipedia the B-2(using it as an example of a similar plane) has a range of 12000 kM and a max speed of 1000 kph. If a B-2 traveled at its max speed the entire flight then it would take 24 hours for a round trip. Since you have no idea the range of my bombers the 4 hours max is a lie. Since bombers can and frequently do a galleys and sleeping bunks it is more then possible that I can have bombers up for 24 hours.

Then there is the factor that you cannot turn a ship back with a airplane if it refuses to comply, you would have to sink it. Regardless of whether you warned it or not, that is still a act of war. And if the ship has any weapons, it would be free to fire in self-defense. Finally, since you have not declared war on him, this blockade would be illegal under international law. You also cannot stop him trading over ground which would mean you would have to violate his national airspace. This is ALSO a violation of international law and allows him to shoot your planes down.
It is against international law to slaughter civilians as well, if Kadabadar doesn't want to play by the rules then why should I? If you want to look at international precedent then look at the US blockade of Cuba, and he can TRY and shoot my planes down, international law doesn't say that he will.

OOC:No, I had already starting replying when you posted it.

OOC:I assumed you were using Multi-Role Fighters, Interceptors, and attack aircraft... not Strategic Bombers. So that is my fault. And Kadabadar is a 'evil' nation who doesnt care about his international reputation(just like me). Unless you want your nation to be seen as a complete hypocrite by the international community... you get the idea. And Kadabadar... you didnt reply to Tech-Coms offer. Anywho...

IC:

Official Statement From Red Tide Goverment
"If the Kadabadar grants us permission, we will move the 2nd Carrier Battlegroup into their waters to protect against Scellia aggression against our cargo ships. Any attack on one of our cargo ships, or this battlefleet, will have the aggressing aircraft shot down and the surviving crew, if any, returned to their home country. Do not think we do not have the capability to detect and engage stealth aircraft. We do."
End Message

OOC:A standard Red Tidean carrier battlgroup consists of:
1 TSUNAMIS Class Super VTOL Carrier
5 G-Battleships
5 M-Battleships
10 TIDAL WAVE Destroyers
24 MOCKING Class Frigates
60 H/K-1 Ground Attack VTOL Aircraft(based on carrier)
60 H//k-2 VTOL Fighter Aircraft(based on carrier)
All the required supply ships.

The Emperor of Gonth Agrees with the actions takena s recently we to have resulted o such needed acts, we stand strong with you as brothers, as friends.

upon further consideration the Nation of gonth will be sending in a military force of 10,000 men to be used at recommended positions. we are also prepping two A7 Hybrid Aircraft carriers to the area.

We will not tolerate a worthless blockade on a soveigne nation.

Red Tide2 - check your telegrams.

IC: The Government of Kadabadar grants Red Tidean forces the right to operate in our waters.

We strongly condemn the blockade against us, and will use force to remove it unless Scellia backs down.

- President-For-Life Trapagon Melvaig

OOC: You must know that's the worst way of RP'ing anything. "My planes are blockading your nation". How many planes? What types exactly? FROM WHERE?
Yes, I read the nonsense about flying from your homebases, refueling in air and such. Blah.
Depending on the geocraphy, that is 1.impossible, 2.extremely difficult. In world, there are such disturbers like other nations you need to fly over to reach your target zone. If you don't have the permission, you need to fly only over the sea, which can easily triple the distance. Imagine Japanese planes keeping up a blockade over Italy. You get the idea, hmm? If you're about to realistically RP this, you need to do WAY more than just post an annoucnement.
You need bases.

We are still waiting for a reply from Kadabadar, as our aircraft are prepped and ready to deliver soldiers and supplies to the area.

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The emperor lifted his head from his desk, two large men dressed in ragged military clothing pointed pistols at his head and demanded he come with them. The emperors cold glare dazed into the great hall as he rose. He hesitated and looked at the two men, from under his robe he pulled a small suicide pistol and pointed it at his head, pointing the nose into a wealth of knowledge the two men hastely clammered to grab the weapon.

From outside the chamber a gunshot rang. Servants and politicians alike stopped and stared, many knew what had just happened, whether instinct or due to the harsh uprisings happening in the nation come late.

Inside the chamber the Emperor lay convulsing on the floor, his blood pouring over the ground peacefully. The two men turned and waited as people rushed in to aid the Emperor. Eventually captured the men where then discovered as Gonth Rebels.

(OOC) this come into play later

Parthia supports the actions of Kandabadar and hereby sends an ultimatum to the Scellian forces blockading the nation agressivley. If all blockading forces are not withdrawn in the next 24 hours, Parthian forces will be dispatched to break the blockade. If the blockade is not removed or Parthian vessels and aircraft attempting to go into Kadabadar territories are fired upon, Parthia will respond by invading and destroying your nation and reducing the population into slavery.

-Shah Khosru III

OOC: It is impossible to blockade someone from the air effectively, I have admitted that already. I would be an idiot to think that it would be possible, however what is possible is for the blockade by air to make things difficult. Even something that approached effective would be nearly impossible like your Japan Italy analogy. However Japan could, assuming that they had the same resources, do what I have been doing. To make this clear to eveyone, the blockade is ineffective and more political then practical

In Scellia, after many speechs by politicans and national leaders interest in the 'Great Scellian Blockade' has died down in Scellia. Without any further political interest Scellia has reduced the "blockade" force down to 5 older model bombers.

General Order 23044
All units currently engaged in the Kad. theater of operations are not to engage any targets unless targets are clearly and undenably carrying weapons systems. All bombers are to maintain a 200km buffer from any forces in the region and Kad air space.

We are still waiting for a reply from Kadabadar, as our aircraft are prepped and ready to deliver soldiers and supplies to the area.

We would appreciate the aid, though at the moment ground forces do not seem necessary.

- President-For-Life Trapagon Melvaig

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A message from the Organization for Democracy in Kadabadar

The Government has continued to brutalize us. Hospitals report to us quietly that the attack on protesters killed over three thousand, and several of our members have been arrested, and will likely be executed. We have recieved reports from other organizations reporting the same thing.

The international community must seize this opportunity to stop a brutal dictatorship before it slaughters more people than it already has. Melvaig has made his objectives quite clear.

We oppose the Scellian embargo as an ineffective measure that, if extended to the long term, will only result in the collective punishment of the Kadabadarans. We, however, thank them for their solidarity, and request that they declare war to liberate our oppressed people.

We strongly condemn the efforts of Gonth and Red Tide in support of the vicious brutality of Melvaig. We request that they cease their collaboration.

We thank Soheran for its solidarity, but request substantial and effective measures to hold up on it. Merely declining to trade is not sufficient. Participation in an international coalition to overthrow the vile regime of Melvaig would be strongly preferred.

OOC:Responding telegram will be sent soon. Anywho...

IC:The Battlegroup had now entered Kadabadarian waters. The crew was called to batttlestations as they scanned the sky for aircraft. The crew was watching several Tech-Com Corporation(a Red Tidean Corporation) cargo planes flying towards Kadabadar. The cargo planes were flying right above to the carrier group. To high to interfere with the fighter patrols

(in a private message to scellia)

The nation of Gonth wishes to help fund your blockade, once our forces are the vacinity we may launch a grande offensive. Killing innocents is an act from which only evil dwells.

We wish to devise a plan wit your nation on how to best cripple thier power.

OOC: I just realized that there could be some mischief to be accomplished here, The Parthians please post if you deploy a fleet to the region. I just realized that there is something I could do if enough people bring in fleets that could result in some interesting RPing. So far we have a Red Tide2 Task Force, Kad defenses which a presume includes some naval units and maybe a The Parthians fleet.

(Secret IC to Gonth)
I have an idea that could help us in our cause without threatening our own nations and give us the validation to invade Kad.

(IC)
Scellia acknowledges the power of the Red Tide battlegroup, especially when compared to that of ANY other military power in the area. Far away from watching eyes Scellian bombers watch as Red Tide aircraft enter into Kad airspace. The pilots aboard the ships wonder what they carry, and why the task force that protects against them carries so many ground attack fighters. High above an old satellite burns up in the atmosphere becoming a beautifal streak across the heavens.

( secret to scellia)

Ok outline your plot.

(end secret to scellia)


"The Gonth naval forces are ready and deploying as I speak. We will crush the blockade and the threat these invaders pose to your nations way of life. Our fleet includes two hybrid carriers along with four small S type support ships mounted with state of the art chainguns," The officer of military affairs then proceded to answer questions as men could be seen waving from the ships behind him.

OOC: The Ground Attack Fighters are there incase you bring in any ships(they can carry anti-ship missiles and bombs). And I dont see what the sattelite has to do with anything.

IC:The Tech-Com Cargo planes flew on to the Northern part of Kadabadar. They came in and out along the same route as the Red Tidean Battlegroup was patrolling. As it turned out there were SEVERAL groups consisting of 10 cargo planes each. They landed and at a airfield in Northern Kababadar and began to unload their cargo, which were M-1 Tunguska RT Mobile Anti-Aircraft GUn/Missile Systems. Each cargo plane was carrying three of them. The last one carried only one. The last group flew out, leaving behind a total of two hundred of these fine veichles.

23:23 The First Gonth Planes reach thier positions

A loud thunderous roar could be heard as five hercules cargo planes made a quick landing, thier wheels schreeched as clouds of dirt spun up from the harsh ground. 20 men hopped out of the first plane carrying gear and supplies enough to set up a small temporary base.

As the moon gave way to the rays of the sun a small city had been built. with Abrham tanks patrolling the perimeters. This first task force had entered the country with out permission, but as things were about to get heated these men would come in handy, with them was a veteran news reporter Lebb Packard.

OOC:So, you know that but does Kad? Sorry if this comes in the middle of yours and Gonths last posts but I'm trying for timing. This may or may not work dependant of Kad.

As a blazing satellite, whose ownership was lost in the depths of time but was assuredly not Scellian, crossed the sky two pieces of blazing rubble broke off and fell appearing to burn out in the upper atmosphere. It was the culmination of a Scellian program, planted on the old satellite a few years earlier and set with a pair of micromotors to slightly alter the satellites course from stable to crashing. Unless you were watching for it it was practically impossible to see.

As the matte blue stealthed missiles plummeted through the atmosphere they extended fiberglass wings and began to gradually pull up. Their courses had been mathmatically calculated to take them directly over one of the Red Tide Battleships. The size of elongated chairs, weighing only 200 lbs and incorporating less then 20 lbs of radar reflective material the designers of the missiles hoped that the heavily stealthed missiles would be all but invisible.

(Secret IC to Gonth)
If you see Red Tide shoot and Kad then fire as well, and declare of both of your behalfs war on Kad.

To: Leaders of Kadabadar
From: Leader and Imperial chancellor of Dementhia, Josef Akritedes

The Dementhian government gives its full support to Kadabadar. If any military units is needed, Dementhia will look on the matter and could possibly aid you in the possible war agains other countries. I hope this is taken seriously and considered.

Regards,
Leader and Imperial chancellor of Dementhia, Josef Akritedes

A Red Tide RADAR Men aboard all the TIDAL WAVE Class Destroyers noticed a VERY VERY weak signal moving at high speeds toward them, the signal was so weak it could have just been a atmospheric anomaly, but protocol required that they report it to their superior officers. The officers protocol required that they send 2 H/K-2 VTOL Fighters. They were being directed by the officers to the signal. Then they were right on top of the signal, they did a '360 turn(with the help of their VTOL Boosters) and began to search the sky while keeping up with what was, according to the radar men, the signal. They saw nothing. So they dove down that they were hovering merely feet above the water, and then they saw it. A missils.

Both pilots shrieked a warning and immediatly began to laydown auto-cannon fire on the missile. The 15.5mm autocannons, while being weaker then most autocannons, ripped it to shreads. There was a sigh of relief... however, the Destroyers radars hadnt even picked up the OTHER missile...

OOC: Actually, the missile wasn't to attack your battleship. In fact, neither missiles carry any explosive warheads.

As the pilots begin to scream their warnings and fire at the first missile a brief burst of powerful static drowns the airwaves, just powerful enough to disrupt temporarily long distance communications.
Then the second missile ignites a small but powerful rocket motor comprising nearly 70% of the missiles weight. The small projectile's skin suddenly shifts, and its radar signature becomes identical to that of a Red Tide land attack cruise missile. The speed and direction of the missile are consistent with that of a nuclear capable cruise missile fired at the nearest Kadabadaran defenses. It appears as if the Red Tide battleship has fired on Kadabadar with a cruise missile that could easily be carrying a nuclear warhead.

We don't approve of the murders, and we see that the "good" Shar is helping you. We decided to use force to disarm you.

OOC: Two things, the cruise missile is heading AWAY from your ships and toward the Kad fleet. Second is that I said Battleship not which type, as I recall you have both in your fleet. The missile didn't change until after it was over your battleship and the first had been destroyed so it looked like your ships fired it. I'll respond after you post since I think that this changes your response.

OOC: Isn't it quite absurd to gang up against a rather 'small' country and bomb them off of the map? :rolleyes:

The radio had detected the jamming on the frequency and had automatically switched frequencies. The pilots warning got through.

Back at the Battlegroup. There was some quick discussion between the Red Tidean Admiral and the other ships captains. None of the M-Battleships(the ones who carried the Cruise Missiles of the fleet) had any nuclear tipped missiles aboared, neither did they have any cruise missiles launched. The Destroyer and Frigate line launched a series of MDSM-4(a Naval version of the land based MDM-4) and blew the missile out of the sky.

Red Tideans used a modified Tomahawk missile. The missile was the exact same except in payload and range(having more of the former and less of the latter). Since they had the same signature as the tomahawks(as well as the same speed) the 'missile' was brought down quickly.

OOC: The Government of Kadabadar has not actually ordered the use of force to break the blockade yet. They are just threatening to.

Regarding Kadabadar's military: Kadabadar has vast numbers of ground forces and a very large (though technologically unadvanced) airforce, but lacks much in the way of naval power. This is because the primary threat has always been seen as a popular insurgency, probably with substantial aid from the neighboring nations, countries that have always viewed Kadabadar as a threat to their national security.

Brydog: Are you actually acting, or for the moment merely threatening?

IC:
To the Government of Gonth:

Remove your unapproved forces from our territory immediately. If this is just a misunderstanding we apologize, but in such a state of heightened tension we cannot tolerate them.

If you refuse to, we will expel them forcefully.

(OOC: How many soldiers are in this "small city"?)

To the Government of Dementhia:

We do not need forces at the moment, but that may swiftly change.

- President-For-Life Trapagon Melvaig

The anti-aircraft units bought from Red Tide, as well as a number of domestically produced air defenses, are being readied, especially near coastal areas. Any violation of Kadabadarian airspace will result in fire.

OOC:Kadabadar, I clearly stated this earlier over the telegrams, the Tunguskas CANNOT engage any targets over 10,000 feet. If you want that ability, you will have to purchase the MDM-4.. And yes the intercepting missiles were radar guided. The Destroyers, Carriers, and Battleships have 2 MDSM-4 SAMs, the frigates have one each. Each MDSM-4s are loaded with different guidance missiles.

OOC: Just to clarify for Kad, it looks like RT just launched a cruise missile at you followed by a spate of smaller ones(which I need to know if they are IR or not).

The Ruthless Imperium of Freudotopia applauds the actions of the new, rightful government of Kadabar, and decries the actions of Scellia in conducting an incomptetent, illegitimate blockade of Kadabar. Kadabar is a sovereign nation, and if Scellia or any other country makes any further attempt to impinge on the rights of this free land, Freudotopia will be forced to intervene.

OOC: OK, we're now over the whole threaten Scellia and support Kad phase and now moving into the Scellia's not doing anything you know about right now phase. Unless you want to send a few battlefleets in to spice up the mix(massive grin).

100 miles away from the nearest enemy ship a Scellian sub discharges a deadly cargo that slowly settles to the sea floor where the small shape begins to slowly crawl along the sea floor. The Scellian sub slips away into the darkness, unseen and undectected.

OOC: Just to clarify for Kad, it looks like RT just launched a cruise missile at you followed by a spate of smaller ones(which I need to know if they are IR or not).

OOC: Wait a second.

Red Tide destroyed one missile here:

Both pilots shrieked a warning and immediatly began to laydown auto-cannon fire on the missile. The 15.5mm autocannons, while being weaker then most autocannons, ripped it to shreads.

And another here:

Red Tideans used a modified Tomahawk missile. The missile was the exact same except in payload and range(having more of the former and less of the latter). Since they had the same signature as the tomahawks(as well as the same speed) the 'missile' was brought down quickly.

Since originally you used two missiles, doesn't that mean that there was no attack on Kadabadaran forces?

Red Tide: I am aware of the limitations. The Kadabadaran military will have to use its own SAMs against high-flying planes.

IC message to Red Tide: Though the blockade has ended, we request that you maintain a presence in case hostilities with Scellia, Gonth, or some other nation do break out.

OOC: I was saying before the second missile was destroyed, which took a little time because his brass conferred before ordering the second missile destroyed AND his missiles had to compensate for the intial difference in speed. So I wanted to know if you reacted at all when you saw the incoming missiles. Plus I have some surprises when he posts what type of missiles are attacking it. If they are radar guided then I should be able to shake them and IR should have a decent chance.

OOC:What if they are laser guided? I already said I shot the missile down with MULTIPLE Radar guided missiles. The MDSM-4(and its land counter part, the MDM-4) are capable of using Laser Guided, Radar Guided, and IR Guided missiles.

OOC: I was saying before the second missile was destroyed, which took a little time because his brass conferred before ordering the second missile destroyed AND his missiles had to compensate for the intial difference in speed. So I wanted to know if you reacted at all when you saw the incoming missiles. Plus I have some surprises when he posts what type of missiles are attacking it. If they are radar guided then I should be able to shake them and IR should have a decent chance.

Got it.

The Dabad Air Base, near the capital of Dabad, which is a coastal city, began preparations for operations against Red Tide ships, and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs began preparing a message of protest to the Red Tide government.

OOC: I also use LADAR so my missile include stealth agianst LADAR as well, your own missiles will interfere with shipboard LADAR and your missiles have proportionally weaker seeker heads.

As the interceptor missiles approach the Scellian(you don't know this but I have to call it something) missile it suddenly reconfigures again to its orginal configuration. It fires a minute decoy whose duration only last a few seconds, but it should be enough for it to escape the missiles in its extreme stealth. If the missile survives it will look like it simply jumped on the radar screen, hardly noticable but enough to decoy the missiles following it.

To Scellia

We the Republic will gladly assist you against Red Tide but are afraid to regret that due to the fact the cowardly parthian shah doesnt fight opponents equal to his stance on technology (or he says he will be equal which in other words the nations that tries to face the parthians are as good as dead). The faces of freedom are few and we are one of them. We are sending in an Militia team, do not underestimate them, their weapons are equal to near future but can be constructed with modern materials. We hope to fight alongside with you.

OOC:WOAH! WAIT! WAIT! How can you fit a DECOY LAUNCHER on a object the size of a chair?

At Starkey Air Base in Sierra Leone, The planned disarmament went into a effect. The plan was to use the high speed boats to attack enemy vessels and the big guns of the crusiers and battleships to attack sea and land targets. Two F-4Gs take off with anti-ship missiles, they fly below 5,000ft. They fire their missiles at the M-Battleships ships and head back to base.

The 30mm gattling guns on the ships took care of the Anti-Ship missiles easily. The fighters that launched them foundthemslves being followed by a barrage(20) of radar guided SAMs.

The radar gulided missiles hit the aircraft, lucky the four nmen got out in time. They row to the fleet waiting for them.

"We fully approve of the measures taken by the wise and just government of Kadabar. Dissent must always be crushed, by any means necessary."

--Friedrich Erhard, Minister of Justice--

OOC:A: Negative... I think you mean when aircraft fly behind something like a valley or a mountain that blocks the 'view' of the radar. But we are over the open ocean... THERE IS NOTHING TO HIDE BEHIND! B:Those radar guided missiles WERE NOT AIMED AT YOUR SHIPS. They were aimed at the two planes that fired anti-ship missiles(which you never stated the amount fired, so I assumed they fired one each), chances are those planes are NO WHERE NEAR YOUR BATTLE FLEET. Therefore your battlefleet cannot protect them. I suggest you edit that message or get ignored.

As the Leviathan Series battlecruiser entered the fray, the squadron were order to keep their conflict with red tide until other combatants enter combat. The naval commander then order their ships to begin battering the forces of red tide with Astral Series artillery shells. Immediately the fleet began bombardment....

OOC:Wait... are you Future Tech?

OOC: Yes, but my Milita forces are MT (and in the prime of it) you got a problem with that?

OOC:Yes... as a matter of fact I do. You see, I am a strict Modern Tech Player. Since your ships are Future Tech... I am going to pretend they arnt there. I have no problems with your militiam, as long as they have NO Future Tech equipment.

OOC: Wow, this isn't exactly what I was expecting. I can fit a one or two single use decoy luanchers on something the size of a enlongated chair because they are small and short duration. Like a flashbulb is small and short whereas a regular bulb with an equal power output would be ten times larger. So, what happens to my missile?

OOC:Okay... let me get this straight, I have just relized a few things, you have a rocket the size of a chair? That has a decoy launcher? And yet also has enough fuel to have a range of 450 Kilometers?

OOC: I said elongated because I couldn't think of anything the right size, so it left me with a little play in the exact size. I just visited the USS New Jersey so its about the size of a 16" shell, but with a rocket motor and assorted stuff instead of explosives. So it could weigh anywhere from 1 to 1.5 tons, and where did you get the 450km range from? You where near the shore and I fired on the few ships or nearby installations that Kad has. Unless you are saying that you are 450km from them I don't need near that range.

OOC:Thats just the range of my Cruise Missiles...

IC:When the 'missile' dissappeared off the scope of the Radar guided missiles they flew directly forward. The sweet thing about the MDSM-4s radar guided missiles is that they never switches its target. The downside of course is when it loses the target they never re-acquires... they keeps flying forward until it hits something or its fuel runs out. But this wouldnt be the case. That missile would not be able to do a quick enough turn before the intercepting missiles closed in on it.

OOC: Ah, I see. I just don't need the fake missiles to have the range of real ones.

IC: Could you repeat that? Did you say that the missiles lost track of mine or that mine couldn't do what I said it did and they still tracked or what?

OOC:They lost track... but are still on the same course they were when pursueing your missile... so that missile is dead anyways.

OOC: But the missile dodged to the side, not a whole lot because its not that manueverable, but enough so that the missiles won't hit it. Interestingly enough this means that the missiles you fired are on a direct course for the Kad ships with no target and enough fuel to make it to them. Kad, what class of ship am I shooting at? Is it a destroyer or frigate or part of a small fleet?

OOC:I never saw you write that your missile dodged to the side. And these are SAMs. They will run out of fuel before they reach the Kad fleet or homeland.

OOC:
If the missile survives it will look like it simply jumped on the radar screen, hardly noticable but enough to decoy the missiles following it.

Sorry if that was unclear, it jumped on the radar screen because it shifted position. Now we get to see what Kads reaction is, please correct me if I'm wrong but right now we have SAMs flying straight at the Kad ship(whatever it is) and a "tomahawk" that looks like it was fired by your fleet.

IC:The SAMs ran out of fuel well before they reached the Kad ships, the said SAMs fell into the ocean and exploded.

At the same time the report of the whole incident had reached Red Tidean Command. This was sent to the defence minister who told the Supreme Commander. The Foreign Minister sent out this message.

Official Message To Kadabadar Goverment From Red Tide Goverment
"We have recieved a report that what appeared to be cruise missile was fired from a position which was where our fleet was at at one of your ships. The admiral reports that he never gave a order to launch a missile and neither did the captains of our M-Battleships. Although we can always rely on the captains, our admirals are not so reliable(the reasons behind this are a State Secret. We cannot reveal them to you). The Consortium(OOC:Thats Red Tides Secret Police/Federal Agency/Intellegince Agency) are investigating whether the admiral is lying to us. Thank you."
End Message

OOC:Yes... as a matter of fact I do. You see, I am a strict Modern Tech Player. Since your ships are Future Tech... I am going to pretend they arnt there. I have no problems with your militiam, as long as they have NO Future Tech equipment.

My milita is devoid of FT, the battleship's artillery shells are also state of the art modern tech (the cannons have flak rounds stuffed into the shells, allowing it to strike low flying aircraft while creating maximum damage but it is dangerous so it may either fire blanks or explode if used excessively.) My soldiers use RCP-120 machine gun with the cloaking field replaced for a grenade launcher. The reason why it is modern tech is one: FT tanks in my army uses a ballistic plating that makes even the strongest minigun do little to no damage to the earliest version of my tanks and have the effective of a SAW machine gun with almost none of the recoil. In other words, just because my milita use modern tech doesnt mean it uses modern army weapons but are equal to the average american soldier if not slightly better.

OOC:Okay then...

IC:A soon as the first Gyro-Botian Shells came down A barrage of exactly 200 CM-40 Model B Cruise Missiles were let loose from the M-Battleships. Along with them were 600 LRASM-50s(look at my first post on the first page of this thread) armed with Anti-Ship warheads. They were directed at the Gyrobot fleet. Also, each of the five G-Battleships turned their 18 inch ETC Guns on the Gyrobot Fleet. Each G-Battleship fired 4 volleys.

The losses amounted to 4 Frigates sunk, witha destroyer and a G-Battleship damaged.

OOC:Each of my G-Battleships have 8 18 inch ETC guns. 4 on each turret. Since there are 5 ships, 5X4=20. 20 guns X 4 volleys=80 shells. These, when assisted with my missiles, are gonna make your fleets life a living hell.

OOC: That message will never arrive before this is over and done with, but good diplomatic move.

IC: Deep below the waves of the ocean the small automated craft began to pick up speed, no longer hiding with absolute certainty it speeds up its engines to mimic that of a Seawolf-class attack sub. It approaches the 60km mark, begining to round the bend of the small peninsula it had been travelling behind. It was still safely out of dection range of the Red Tide fleet.

ICC: The Leviathans soon were hit by the artillery shells, doing good amounts of damage to 5 of them, sink 4 of them and the juggernaunt frigates fired flare beacons to distract the missiles and ordered the Leviathans to withstand the missiles. The Leviathans sent to stop them have anti missile plating which will do little damage to the fleet. Then they ordered 20 trident submarines to begin attacking the battleships and the Leviathan cruisers use the Shatterer X Shells one of the most advanced artillery shells modern technology can buy, they have excellent range and fast firing rates each ship could fire 4x5 volleys per minute.

From the Dabad Air Base, thirty jet bombers with an escort of twenty fighters launch airstrikes against the Gyrobotian naval forces. (OOC: I am not a combat aircraft expert - assume these are rather modern planes, but without any extraordinarily high-tech features.)

A small Kadabadaran fleet - a battleship, two cruisers, and two destroyers - moves to aid the Red Tide navy.

Emergancy session of Presidium:

The Chairman: Those STUPID Republikank (OOC: previous gov't that abolished the military)!

-Rest of Presidium agrees-

The Chairman: Let's just get the Green Crescent (Dovakhanese Red Cross) to the scene to help the soldiers since we can't take military action.

-Presidium votes in favour-

Official Statement

While taking a neutral stance, the government of Dovakhan sends 100,000 nurses and doctors of the Dovakhanese Green Crescent (DGC) to help all soldiers involved in conflict. Care packages will be dropped on refugee camps and military camps. Please do not shoot down the planes of DGC (indicated by green crescent on sides, wings, and fins of plane).

OOC: Kad, how do you know they aren't suporting you? After all to them, and you, it looks like RT just launched missiles at you. Are any of those ships that you list going to fire on the incoming missile?

OOC:Gyrobot... I suggest you edit the above message. I fired over 800 missiles at you. Your ships should have taken alot of losses. Also... I need specifics on what those shells your firing can do. And how many ships do you have?

Well my fleet got over 50 warships (what I sent in) consisting of the following

25 leviathan cruisers
5 Juggernaugt frigates
20 trident submarines

And remeber my units have missile proof armor so the missiles will do little to the battlecruisers but if it was frigates or subs they wont survive
anyways I got to respond to kadabadar

IC: The massive bombardments soon struck the fleet that hit 2 of the frigates and did good damage to 1 battlecruiser. The Frigates and battlecruisers then returned fire by firing the Astral rounds allong with Odin Reedemer series anti fighter missiles. It had a heavy and devastating volley that was about to hit the Kadabadarian air force. Meanwhile the submarines began attacking the battlecruisers with a volley of Baracuda series torpedos....

OOC:Missile Proof Armor? BULLSHIT! There is no such thing as 'missile proof armor'! If its thick armor, FINE! But that wont protect them from 2,000 POUND ANTI-SHIP WARHEADS CARRIED BY THOSE 200 CRUISE MISSILES! Not to mention the 700 pound anti-ship warheads carried by the 600 LRASMs! I will not respond to any attacks from you until you post REASONABLE losses from my anti-ship missiles!

OOC: Kad, how do you know they aren't suporting you? After all to them, and you, it looks like RT just launched missiles at you. Are any of those ships that you list going to fire on the incoming missile?

OOC: Here's the logic:

Red Tide fired one missile, which apparently they tried to intercept (this WOULD have been noticeable, you don't fire surface-to-air missiles at ships.)

Red Tide immediately sent a message that this attack was unintentional and being investigated. If it was intended to be hostile, why shoot only one missile?

Even if Gyrobot's government's decision to intervene against me was private, the logical assumption when a nation moves a large fleet in Kadabadaran waters without even notifying Kadabadaran authorities, it is hostile.

It seems to me that the most likely position of the Kadabadaran government is one of suspicion but not hostility towards Red Tide and open hostility towards Gyrobot.

IC: One of the battleships fires two surface-to-air missiles at the Tomahawk.

Two of the fighter planes were downed due to Gyrobotan assault, and the others returned to the Dabad Air Base. A second group of the same composition was sent (there are one hundred fifty planes at the base, fifty are not being used in case of further attack.)

To: All Nations currently involved in conflict.
From: Chief Officer of Spiryt, Skylar Valentine.
Concerning: An end to the conflict.

Hello. I have just recently become interested in issues concerning foreign nations, and I admit, that the slaughter in Kadabadar caused me to lose some faith in humanity. Although lauching a military campaign will only cause more deaths on either side. I propose that leaders from all the parties involved come to Neutral grounds on my nation in order to end this conflict. Perhaps we can come to an agreement that will better the lives of people in Kadabadar, or at least one that will avoid another slaughter like what happened recently?

This position also backed by much of the Senate.

Skylar Valentine
C.E. The Rogue Nation of Spiryt.

OOC: Oh well, I thought it was worth a try.

IC:
"Sir, the situation in Kad is rapidly devolving in to a shooting war bewteen Red Tide2 and Gonth."
"What's the situation?"
"Murky, after the last volley of shots no one quite knows whats going on."
"And the ploy with the fake missile launch?"
"Discovered sir, they can't trace it, but it didn't work."
"Recall Package 2, and put the full weight of the diplomatic corps behind the Spiryt Peace Talks."
"Sir, yes sir."

Scellian Diplomatic Corps Release
All nations involved in the fighting are urged to cease at once. A diplomatic solution that might benefit us all is the best wya now, already Scellian bombers engaged in a useless and thoughtless blockade on the nation of Kadabadar have ben recalled. Through trade can we prosper, and only through the bonds of mutual understanding can we trade ideas and wealth. We invite Kadabadar, Red Tide and Gonth to mulitlateral talks held witin the neutral nation of Spiryt, please accept for the good of all.

OOC: Ok I will make a reasonable loss, I am just trying to pile the attack effect

IC: Even as the beacon flare stopped several of the missiles. Many went through and struck the fleet like a hail of needles. All of the fleet took a good deal of damage let it be from the explosions and the missiles themselves. They realised they will try to use mother nature's hand at work when they heard about a conference for peace. They decided to use it to buy time for repair and refuel. Immediately they call for 2 supply boats with rations,recordings of their favorite television shows and weapons in case of another skirmish starts.

OOC:I dont know if the attack you tried back there would take place, what with your fleet thoroughly ravaged and all. So... if you are going to attack me again, go ahead and post!
IC:
But the Red Tideans wouldnt let the Gyrobot fleet get off that easily. The G-Battleships began to keep up a constant barrage of shells against the Gyrobot ships.

Meanwhile on one of the destroyers a sonar man yelled out. "SIR! MULTIPLE CONTACTS! BEARING MARK 20-01! IDENTIFIED AS GYROBOTIAN TRIDENT CLASS SUBS! 20 OF THEM!"

The Captain turned, "Contact the Frigates. Blast those subs out of the water."

3 of the destroyers and 7 of the Frigates fired their ASROCs at the subs locations. Each AROC launcher held 4 rockets. Each Destroyer had 2 of them, each Frigate had 1. 6+7=13 Launchers, 13X4=52 Rockets.

As each rocket hit the water right above the subs, the boosters fell off and the torepedo section of the rocket engaged.

IC: The Torpedos homing device picked trace of the missiles and almost all 500 of them collided with the oncoming barrages, the remaining went directly on the battle ships. Meanwhile the cruisers were generally repaired and they soon returned fired with a devastating Mauler X series shells, they not only created huge explosions but those which missed created powerful waves...

The Government of Kadabadar will participate in peace negotiations.

However, we are troubled by the implication that there is a problem with the righteous elimination of traitors to our country.

The government of Scellia wouldn't command a nation on how to run its government. We just hope that through open and mutually beneficial trade that we might come to agree on a certain way of thinking that would lead to further understanding. We hope that as soon as the fighting stops we can reach a mutually beneficial trade relationship.

A message from the Organization for Democracy in Kadabadar

We furiously condemn the vile plots of apathetic collaborators in mass murder towards the planning of "peace" negotiations.

Peace, perhaps, for selfish nations not willing to help others, but not peace for the oppressed people of Kadabadar, people being brutally slaughtered by a vile government.

Thousands were murdered in the demonstrations. We have reports indicating that thousands have been murdered since. And there is no evidence that this vicious bloodshed will stop.

We call on all nations actually caring about the welfare of Kadabadarans to boycott these "peace" negotiations unless Melvaig agrees to respect human rights and to swiftly hold free and fair elections supervised by international observers.

(Secret IC to Rebels)
Obvisouly force won't work here, nothing short of a full scale war with a nation equal to or larger then mine militarily will result in the devastation of both our countries and nothing to benefit you. However I can smuggle large numbers of people out of the country under the guise of business. Thousands every months, maybe even every week once things really start going. Innocent clauses of the trade agreement wil have great ramifications for saving you and your fellows. Scellia will become your new home.

Three days after current President-For-Life and former Minister of Internal Security Trapagon Melvaig seized power in a well-orchestrated coup, demonstrators calling for democracy have been brutally murdered by riot police.

After calling upon the protesters to disperse, police opened fire, killing an unknown number rumored to be as high as several thousand, and certainly no fewer than five to six hundred.

Over the past week, Kadabadar has gone through three national leaders. Former President Alkranon Pelvadnir, known for his various human rights reforms, resigned amidst protests calling for free elections, and was replaced in a peaceful and orderly fashion by Elkanor Pagnakin, who served as Minister of Justice in the first few years of Pelvadnir's reign, but was removed after calling for political reforms to supplement the civil ones. Pagnakin promised elections within a month, but was assasinated a day after taking power by gunmen rumored to be Pelvadnir supporters.

After a day and a half of tumultuous unrest, Melvaig took control, promising security, and promptly arrested Pelvadnir for his alleged responsibility for the killing of Pagnakin. Most tentatively accepted this transfer of power, hoping that order would be restored and free elections would be held.

But after Melvaig declared publicly that "elections are a grave threat to the security of this great nation," protests for democracy were resumed.

The protesters called for free and open elections and for expansion of President Pelvadnir's reforms.

Melvaig stated after the attack that he "would not rest" until every "traitor, dissident, so-called 'human rights advocate,' and other threats to our national security is shot or imprisoned." Several reports of attacks on pro-democracy organizations - left alone by the former regime - have surfaced, though it is unclear to what extent this has occurred.

An organization calling itself the "Organization for Democracy in Kadabadar" has called upon the international community to intervene to "stop Melvaig's slaughter of his own people" and to "establish freedom and democracy."

WHAT THE HELL ID KADABADAR.
Who Cares If Some Guy That no One has heard of dies.

"I Eat Frosted Hippies for breakfeast while doing push ups"

OOC:Gyrobot. Your cruisers are now being constantly shelled. The repair ships would get caught in the shelling. Plus, from what I have read you cannot repiar at sea, you have to return to port to get repairs. Second, the ASROCs came down virtually ontop of your subs. Your torepedoes would not collide with them. I suggest you edit that message.

IC: Official Statement From Red Tide Goverment
"Defense Minister Edgar Barret will come to the peace talks."
End Message

(Secret IC to Rebels)
Obvisouly force won't work here, nothing short of a full scale war with a nation equal to or larger then mine militarily will result in the devastation of both our countries and nothing to benefit you. However I can smuggle large numbers of people out of the country under the guise of business. Thousands every months, maybe even every week once things really start going. Innocent clauses of the trade agreement wil have great ramifications for saving you and your fellows. Scellia will become your new home.

Secret message to Scellia from the ODK:

We do not want to leave Kadabadar. We want to liberate Kadabadar.

You cannot evacuate all 228 million people in this country.

{Sekert IC}
Now if all of you wanted to leave then why hasn't there been a popular rebellion. Barring WMDs there should be nothing your dictator could do to stop a truely popular rebellion. Either conditions aren't bad enough or your people don't care enough. If you want to make the arguement that you aren't well enough armed then we can fix that for you as well. We will funnel generic weapons into the country, you just doen't get to use them until you can be reasonably sure of success. If your dictator goes as far as to order the use of WMDs then we will have international grouned to stand on based on an invasion.

{Sekert IC}
Now if all of you wanted to leave then why hasn't there been a popular rebellion. Barring WMDs there should be nothing your dictator could do to stop a truely popular rebellion. Either conditions aren't bad enough or your people don't care enough. If you want to make the arguement that you aren't well enough armed then we can fix that for you as well. We will funnel generic weapons into the country, you just doen't get to use them until you can be reasonably sure of success. If your dictator goes as far as to order the use of WMDs then we will have international grouned to stand on based on an invasion.

ODK secret response:

A popular insurgency might happen eventually. It has not been very long yet. If a serious war actually takes place, one that taxes the capabilities of the regime and forced the diversion of military forces, immense popular resistance would probably begin swiftly, and the brutal regime would very quickly collapse.

This would stop the mass murder with very little additional bloodshed.

But every day you obsess over meaningless negotiations and irrelevant battles between foreign naval forces, the regime becomes stronger, the regime kills more people, and the cost in lives of the regime's eventual overthrow - if it ever happens - will become larger.

(Secret IC)
You can either accept my help as is or moan and complain how I'm not willing to sacrifice millions of my citizens and soldiers and trillions of dollars on a war I might lose for the sake of a people who won't even help themselves.

(Secret IC)
You can either accept my help as is or moan and complain how I'm not willing to sacrifice millions of my citizens and soldiers and trillions of dollars on a war I might lose for the sake of a people who won't even help themselves.

We will of course accept your help.

But nevertheless we request that more substantial aid be given.

As for "helping ourselves" we would like to remind you that the last time that was attempted thousands of us were murdered - the atrocity that sparked this crisis.

If done right, we think this war could end in a week, with minimal casualties on either side.

Do you think we support the destruction of our nation?

- The Organization for Democracy in Kadabadar

Do you surport the destruction of ours?
This is moot anyway, we won't convice you and you won't convice us. For all we know the Kad dictatorship has no real interest in trade and may not accede to our demands. The best thing that you could do would be to take the arms we give you and start stockpliling for the next uprising. Also assign someone out of country to take several billion dollars and start hiring mercs, the money can be funneled to you in a way that is absolutely untraceable. You will be walking a fine line between terrorism and guerilla warfare, be sure taht you do not cross it.

ooc: I see many are coming, can't recall if all responded in the 4/5 hours, but if you didn't, you are welcome to join in the talks, posting that you're country will send a representative.

Representatives from Spiryt present:
CE Valentine
Head of Senate: Joseph Block
Pres. of Centre for Peace: Alexander Axenfeld
Pres. of the Bureau for Civil Liberties: LeeAnne Richardson

From: Valentine
To all members of the Talks:
Welcome, and thank all of you for coming. I hope we can reach an aggreement that is satisfactary to all Nations and People represented here, as well as the majority in Kadabadar.

To start off, I'd like to ask either side a few questions.
What is your current involvement in the conflict?
What is the reason for this involvement?
What would make you cease said involvement?

and a couple questions for the Representative from Kad:
Why do you feel the murder of Protesters is Neccasary?
What Rights have you people demanded, and what would prompt you to fulfill them?

To start off, I'd like to ask either side a few questions.
What is your current involvement in the conflict?

Currently we are the nation being threatened by aggressors.

What is the reason for this involvement?

We are defending our sovereignty from foreign attack. If you are wondering why we are being attacked, ask them.

What would make you cease said involvement?

A peace that would let us rule our nation as we see fit, without foreign countries interfering in our affairs.

Why do you feel the murder of Protesters is Neccasary?

It threatens the stability of our nation. If people believe it is acceptable to publically oppose laws, then eventually they will think that it is acceptable to violate them.

What Rights have you people demanded, and what would prompt you to fulfill them?

The people have requested the right to hold elections. Assurance that a reasonable leader would be elected would give them that right - though it is highly unlikely that that would occur.

Edgar Barret spoke his answers, "To the first question, our involvement is to protect Red Tidean goods from piracy and ensure the sovoreignty of Kadabadar. To the second question, this involvement is merely the protection of our interests and another nations sovoreign rights. For the final question, we will withdraw upon assurance from all nations involved that Kabadar will not be put under scrutiny because he executed a few traitors, which is his sovoreign right, and the assurance that Red Tide trade to him will not be interrupted."

OOC:Gyrobot. Your cruisers are now being constantly shelled. The repair ships would get caught in the shelling. Plus, from what I have read you cannot repiar at sea, you have to return to port to get repairs. Second, the ASROCs came down virtually ontop of your subs. Your torepedoes would not collide with them. I suggest you edit that message.

IC: Official Statement From Red Tide Goverment
"Defense Minister Edgar Barret will come to the peace talks."
End Message

I am actually interested in peace talks and my subs got the first strike. Losses are still heavy though

The sonar man yelled, "TOREPEDOES IN THE WATER!"

The battleships, destroyers, carriers, and frigates immediatly went into evasive manuevers and began releasing Noisemakers, tryine to distract the torepedoes. This worked to an extent. 2 G-Battleships took hits, 1 M-Battleship, and 4 more frigates were sunk. The carrier was able to escape unharmed. The 3 battleships that took hits didnt have holes blown into them... but they were leaking water. That could be fixed with a metal sheet and a welder.

Scellia's current involvement is nothing, nor do we have any forces in the area. Currently we are awaiting the commencement of peace, and more importantly trade, talks with Kad.

Edgar Barret rolled his eyes, "From the information we have and the information that you released, you started a pathetic aerial 'blockade' with 5 bombers. I say blockade sarcastically becuase you never did intercept any cargo ships or planes."
End Message

Scellian Diplomatic Corps Release
All nations involved in the fighting are urged to cease at once. A diplomatic solution that might benefit us all is the best wya now, already Scellian bombers engaged in a useless and thoughtless blockade on the nation of Kadabadar have ben recalled. Through trade can we prosper, and only through the bonds of mutual understanding can we trade ideas and wealth. We invite Kadabadar, Red Tide and Gonth to mulitlateral talks held witin the neutral nation of Spiryt, please accept for the good of all.

Scellia was talking about current involvement, as I believe so were the Spiryt neogiators.

Barret rebuffed, "And our intellegince and your press reliefs state that there are still FIVE bombers involved in the 'blockade'."

The Scellian official retorts, exapserated by the Barret, "We just quoted our press release where we publically stated that all, not some but all, our bombers had been recalled. What you like to think is up there is your own problem, what is actaully up there is what matters."

CE Valentine: "What I believe should happen, is that Kad puts together a sort of Mock-election to see whom it's peoples think would be the best leader. In return, the aggressing nations promise to hold back on any invasion unless another slaughter happens. And my own opinion to Kad would be that protesters need not be slaughtered. Fine, and possibly jailings. If you want to your citizens to not break a law, increase the punishments for breaking the law,"

CE Valentine: "What I believe should happen, is that Kad puts together a sort of Mock-election to see whom it's peoples think would be the best leader.

"Unacceptable... Kadabadar is a sovereign nation and has the right to choose how it will be run.

In return, the aggressing nations promise to hold back on any invasion

"Acceptable..."

invasion unless another slaughter happens.

"Unacceptable... see pointr one."

And my own opinion to Kad would be that protesters need not be slaughtered.

"Errrrr... thats your opinion only... right?"

If you want to your citizens to not break a law, increase the punishments for breaking the law,"

Unacceptable... and rather confusing. For the unacceptable part see point one. The confusing thing is, execution IS the harshest punishment you can give? Right?" And with that, Barret leaned back.

Valentine: "I never said the person who won would be elected into any position of power at all, ever. It would be a mock election to see if a 'resonable' leader would be elected. As for the last part, the punishments might very well be increased to death. However, I feel this should be only put on breaking the law, instead of protesting it,"

The Scellian Ambasador leans forward,
"Since when does Red Tide2 speak for Kadabadar, since as you have repeatedly said it is a soveriegn nation shouldn't it get to speak for itself?"

Valentine looks from the Rep of Scellia to the Rep of Red Tide and back, "No need to get hostile. I was asking that of everybody, as all side will have to aggree in order for this to go through,"

CE Valentine: "What I believe should happen, is that Kad puts together a sort of Mock-election to see whom it's peoples think would be the best leader.

A dangerous course of action.

This would immediately legitimize some incompetent yet popular fool, allowing him to threaten the regime. Other countries would regard this person as the legitimate ruler, and support him. He would contest us for power.

In return, the aggressing nations promise to hold back on any invasion unless another slaughter happens.

Obviously, we also think that the aggression should cease.

And my own opinion to Kad would be that protesters need not be slaughtered. Fine, and possibly jailings. If you want to your citizens to not break a law, increase the punishments for breaking the law,"

No society ever catches all its criminals. The best solution is making traitors fear the government.

Kadabadaran Rebel Group Issues Statement

We, the People's Liberation Front of Kadabadar, demand that the new terrorist regime, responsible for thousands of deaths, hold democratic elections immediately.

We also demand that former President Alkranon Pelvadnir be released, so that he may form his own political party to run in the election. He is well-respected among our organization, and among the millions of poor Kadabadarans whose lives he greatly improved through his economic reforms. As such he is one of the few political leaders who can truly be called popular.

We refuse to comply with the collaborationist "non-confrontational" stance of the so-called "Organization for Democracy in Kadabadar." As it so fiercely pushes for foreign intervention, which will end with high casualties and with foreign domination of Kadabadar, it stands by and watches as those in power slaughter more innocents. We will not do so.

Already we are preparing ourselves. If action towards our demands is not taken within a week, we will overthrow this vile band of murderers, and institute democracy.

Skylar shakes his head, "So mock elections are out. Though I do urge you to reconsider, you have your rights, I suppose. How about you hold elections, or Mock-elections, except that you must approve of each person running? I don't think it'll solve problems, but it's a start,"