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Today, under strong, unyielding pressure from Minister of Morality Francois Vorster, Parliament passed a controversial new bill, the "Regulation of Morality Act," which was signed into law today by Chancellor Adolfo Portocarrero. The law stipulates that:

1.Abortions are to be made illegal, with no exceptions.
2.Gambling is to be outlawed.
3.Profanity is to be outlawed.
4.The wearing of skirts with hems above the knees by women is to be outlawed; moreover, women will be prohibited from wearing jeans.
5.Halter tops, short shirts, etc. are to be outlawed.
6.Kissing in public is to be outlawed.
7.Vulgar, off-color jokes are to be outlawed.
8.Proper manners are to be strictly enforced (i.e., "Yes, sir," "no, ma'am," "please," "thank you," "you're welcome," etc.); those who do not comply are to be publicly lashed ten times and forced to pay a fine of 500 Pesetas.
9.Pornography is to be outlawed.
10.Alcohol and all drugs are to be outlawed.
11.Pre-marital sex is to be outlawed.
12.Adulterty is to be outlawed.
13.Stem cell research is to be outlawed.
14.Homosexuality and bisexuality are to be outlawed.
15.Transvestism, transsexualism, etc. are to be outlawed.

What? Okay, welcome to the nation where you eat, sleep and work without having any real fun. Now, to get back to my whiskey.

~ The God-Emperor Count JWolf

I see nothing moral in this act. How very hypocritical.

Commander-in-Chief Benjamin Greeson
Gorkonian High Command

What? Okay, welcome to the nation where you eat, sleep and work without having any real fun. Now, to get back to my whiskey.

~ The God-Emperor Count JWolf

"'Fun' need not entail immorality, vulgarity, or obscenity, my good man."

--Francois Vorster, Minister of Morality--

I see nothing moral in this act. How very hypocritical.

Commander-in-Chief Benjamin Greeson
Gorkonian High Command

"Adhering to God's word is not immoral. You are a fool."

--Minister Vorster--

The poor fools caught in your trap of hypocritical immorality and stupidity are more then welecome to flee to our nation, where we do not oppress our people.

- Head of State, Dictator of Sumer,
Feild Marshal Peshtur Namtar

This act is viciously immoral, violating the essential human right to free expression and to love whomever one chooses.

We agree with Minister Vorster about the necessity of fostering moral values, but there is a limit, and some of the prohibited acts are not at all immoral.

Dania Larnion
Holy Voice of Righteousness

Damn, I feel bad for your people. It would be unfortunate for anyone to be under your 'moral' regime, and being restricted by your hypocrisy.

Respectfully,
King Alexander I

"'Fun' need not entail immorality, vulgarity, or obscenity, my good man."

--Francois Vorster, Minister of Morality--

Come up, man. Number two through eleven are all the fun I was talking about. Without them, you play board games at night with your family. You know what I do at night? Shit, I go to my nightclubs. I fell sorry about your people.

~ The God-Emperor Count JWolf

"How tragic it is indeed when morally bankrupt cretins such as yourselves scrutinize the alleged immorality of this act, all the while reveling in recreational activities that would win the admiration of Lucifer himself."

--Minister Vorster--

Come up, man. Number two through eleven are all the fun I was talking about. Without them, you play board games at night with your family. You know what I do at night? Shit, I go to my nightclubs. I fell sorry about your people.

~ The God-Emperor Count JWolf

"What is wrong with playing boardgames with one's family? I do so every night, right before we pray together to the Almighty. Your idea of 'fun' is Godless, reprehensible, and immoral. There is no doubt in my mind that upon your demise your soul will be banished to a stygian abyss of eternal damnation."

--Minister Vorster--

"Adhering to God's word is not immoral. You are a fool."

--Minister Vorster--

Insulting national leaders in such a blatant manner? I have come to expect snide comments and subtle jabs, but outright name-calling is always a good indication of whom I should be taking seriously. I find it humorous more than anything else, so unless it is your intention to give an old man a chuckle you may as well give up and act in a more professional manner.

The word of your 'god' promotes the freedom for people to make their own mistakes in life. Will power, it is called. It is up to him to judge you upon your death. It is up to him to hand out punishment for such 'sins'. You insult your own religion by believing yourself to be capable of the same level of judgement as your god.

This 'morality act' is immoral, and it insults your own faith. Plus it has the potential to cause serious civil unrest in your nation. It doesn't seem to accomplish anything other than alienating yourself. I find it hard to believe that anybody of sound mind would even consider passing it.

Commander-in-Chief Benjamin Greeson
Gorkonian High Command

ooc: If I wasn't about to leave in a few days, i'd be invading you right now.

And please, please, please don't become the new Decisive Action.

Oh and please take these RP pointers.

1.) Instead of making a simple list and an announcement, try to describe the atmosphere inside your government as this proposition was drafted.

2.) Describe why you drafted what you did, and either explain to us your method of government, your nation, your culture etc. directly (i.e: "I R Dictator, hear me roar.) or indirectly (i.e: A minister consulting with the Chancellor about the lack of morality among you people and potential solution, or maybe a powerful lobby exerting pressure on the government.)

ooc: If I wasn't about to leave in a few days, i'd be invading you right now.

And please, please, please don't become the new Decisive Action.

Oh and please take these RP pointers.

1.) Instead of making a simple list and an announcement, try to describe the atmosphere inside your government as this proposition was drafted.

2.) Describe why you drafted what you did, and either explain to us your method of government, your nation, your culture etc. directly (i.e: "I R Dictator, hear me roar.) or indirectly (i.e: A minister consulting with the Chancellor about the lack of morality among you people and potential solution, or maybe a powerful lobby exerting pressure on the government.)

(OOC: I'm a plutocratic absolute monarchy with strong theocratic leanings. And no, I don't plan on becoming the new DA. My nation abhores racism and anti-Semitism. And my anti-homosexuality is 100% IC. IRL, I have many gay friends.)

I guess God didn't have much to do on the day He decided to prohibit women from wearing jeans. Good call there...make sure they have to wear skirts even when impractical.

Wonder if by "jeans" you meant slacks. Because those nasty immoral women can still wear slacks, shorts, tube tops or other such sin causing devices.

Curiousity here.....is it more moral to make everyone behave the way you want them to.....or to teach them so that they WANT to behave the way you wish them to?

You can't ever force morality.

I guess God didn't have much to do on the day He decided to prohibit women from wearing jeans. Good call there...make sure they have to wear skirts even when impractical.

Wonder if by "jeans" you meant slacks. Because those nasty immoral women can still wear slacks, shorts, tube tops or other such sin causing devices.

Curiousity here.....is it more moral to make everyone behave the way you want them to.....or to teach them so that they WANT to behave the way you wish them to?

You can't ever force morality.

"If you were a denizen of this nation, you would be lashed ten times and heavily fined for your crass, rude, impolite mannerisms."

--Minister Vorster--

Although the United Kingdom has ne’er before this moment in time had any sort of relations with your nation, diplomatic, economic, or any other kind, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs must officially express its displeasure with El Caudillo’s “Regulation of Morality Act.” In accordance with our formal disagreement with said policy, the citizens of the United Kingdom are hereby warned that travel to the nation of El Caudillo should be limited to trips of the utmost importance – and even then avoided.

However, this government must also firmly say that while we vehemently disagree with the aforementioned legislation, we do fully recognize the right of the Parliament of El Caudillo to pass such legislation for implementation in territories under its sovereign rule. Of course, the United Kingdom shall open its borders to any citizens of El Caudillo wishing to flee under the pretense of political asylum.

Emily Deveraux
Minister of Foreign Affairs

Wow....how quaint. Illegalising abortion in this day in age doesn't make sense, nor does illegalising most fun things.

-Foriegn Ministry

"What is wrong with playing boardgames with one's family? I do so every night, right before we pray together to the Almighty. Your idea of 'fun' is Godless, reprehensible, and immoral. There is no doubt in my mind that upon your demise your soul will be banished to a stygian abyss of eternal damnation."

--Minister Vorster--


Rest Assured, Ereshkigal will have a special place of torture for you in Irkalla when you arive.

- Head of State, Dictator of Sumer,
Feild Marshal Peshtur Namtar

OOC: MassPwnage, I'm tempted to take over that for you. It's been hard getting myself into a worth while war.

Although the United Kingdom has ne’er before this moment in time had any sort of relations with your nation, diplomatic, economic, or any other kind, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs must officially express its displeasure with El Caudillo’s “Regulation of Morality Act.” In accordance with our formal disagreement with said policy, the citizens of the United Kingdom are hereby warned that travel to the nation of El Caudillo should be limited to trips of the utmost importance – and even then avoided.

However, this government must also firmly say that while we vehemently disagree with the aforementioned legislation, we do fully recognize the right of the Parliament of El Caudillo to pass such legislation for implementation in territories under its sovereign rule. Of course, the United Kingdom shall open its borders to any citizens of El Caudillo wishing to flee under the pretense of political asylum.

Emily Deveraux
Minister of Foreign Affairs

"We commend your respect of our sovereignty. Of course, anyone who wishes to flee is welcome to corrupt your nation and pollute it with sin."

--Minister Vorster--

That is Disgusting beyond words, you and your false idols will fall at the hands of you people if you don’t stop being all frigity fucky

That is Disgusting beyond words, you and your false idols will fall at the hands of you people if you don’t stop being all frigity fucky

"Watch your tongue, daemon!"

--Minister Vorster--

-Oh you did not like that did you? Hahaha learn to live with it, you frigity fucky bitch


Sir Duchest
Commander of the Unity party
Leader of Hinderlan

"What is wrong with playing boardgames with one's family? I do so every night, right before we pray together to the Almighty. Your idea of 'fun' is Godless, reprehensible, and immoral. There is no doubt in my mind that upon your demise your soul will be banished to a stygian abyss of eternal damnation."

--Minister Vorster--

You're a geek, man. Pray to the Almighty as long as you want because I'm one of the Almighty's best beings. I followed the foot steps of Jesus Christ. I watched them put him on that cross. Jesus Christ and his followers did drink wine and lived life the right way. If you can’t tell, I’m a child of the night that can walk in the daylight. If my God does not take my sins away , I will go to Hell. Eternal damnation is what you called it. You know something, I have lived eternal damnation on Earth. The thousands of men that have killed by hands, I see them every time I close my eyes. So, I don’t give a damn if I go to Heaven or Hell. Now, let you people live their own lives.

~ The God-Emperor Count JWolf

The United Kingdom most graciously would accept those who seek to diversify and expand the cultural breadth of the United Kingdom and her native peoples through the rich background, history, and traditions of those persecuted by the “Regulation of Morality Act” as imposed by El Caudillo Parliament per request of Minister Vorster. We anxiously await the cultural enrichment that awaits the United Kingdom when former citizens of El Caudillo arrive on the Kingdom’s shores.

Emily Deveraux
Minister of Foreign Affairs

-Oh you did not like that did you? Hahaha learn to live with it, you frigity fucky bitch


Sir Duchest
Commander of the Unity party
Leader of Hinderlan

"Crass daemon! Burn in Hell!"

--Minister Vorster--

"Crass daemon! Burn in Hell!"

--Minister Vorster--

-How about I get into my hot tub? I think its 50C right now!

Sir Duchest
Commander of the Unity Party
Leader of Hinderlan

-How about I get into my hot tub? I think its 50C right now!

Sir Duchest
Commander of the Unity Party
Leader of Hinderlan

"Oh, when you die, you'll be in a VERY hot tub, I can assure you! A tub of MAGMA"

--Vorster--

"Oh, when you die, you'll be in a VERY hot tub, I can assure you! A tub of MAGMA"

--Vorster--


did it take you all three of your brain cells to think of that one, big boy?


Sir Duchest
Commander of the Unity Party
Leader of Hinderlan

did it take you all three of your brain cells to think of that one, big boy?


Sir Duchest
Commander of the Unity Party
Leader of Hinderlan

"You are a very, very rude man. I have had enough of you. Good day."

--Vorster--

ooc: How did you learn about DA? You're a fairly recent member and DA was DDOSed months ago. Anywho, without further ado, here's my IC post.

IC:

The Great Leader checked the news like he did every hour. Clicking on the briefing display function on his desktop, he was automatically and rapidly barraged with a load of useless crap, mostly financial reports, news on wars that didn't concern him, and some other things that.... Hey, this looked interesting. Must be another wannabe Fabusist. What an idiot.

He clicked the link.

"Wow.... so many loopholes", he muttered to himself. Some people were utterly strange beyond reason. The Great Leader knew from many years of experience that those cultures tended to collapse in on themselves....

Unless their leaders were totally batshit fucking crazy.

And there were many nations with leaders that fit the above description.

Damn. Oh well.... he could only hope for the best. He would mail them a 18 inch long double headed dildo or some other kinky sex toy used in strange whorehouses, but honestly, El Caudillo wasn't worth his time, money or plastic.

He closed the window and went on to another bit of news, something more worth his time, like the Prositute's Union strike in Pwnage Hong Kong.

ooc: How did you learn about DA? You're a fairly recent member and DA was DDOSed months ago. Anywho, without further ado, here's my IC post.

(OOC: My friend, a long-time NS vet who will remain anonymous, told me all about DA.)

"You are a very, very rude man. I have had enough of you. Good day."

--Vorster--


Oh no! look here comes the Whaabulance!


Sir Duchest
Commander of the Unity Party
Leader of Hinderlan

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Official Government Response
How very interesting nations insulting each other over a mere matter such as this. Have we become so low as to dare invade another nation simply because he is following his religion, would that make you better then him, in some weird and twisted way?

You bicker and complain simply because a government leader passed a 'controversial' law. I see many other bigger and more 'powerful' nations passing such laws but is there ever such declarations against him? No, we stay silent against such a foe.

You call him hypocritical; well take a look at yourselves. You dare call yourselves respectable nations, I'd spit on your flag if there was one near by. You are all below this nation of El Caudillo in our eyes and deserve nothing but a beat down. Any nation declaring or preparing to invade El Caudillo will face the might of the Dracun Imperium, do not test us.


~Chancellor Tinverian

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Official Government Response
How very interesting nations insulting each other over a mere matter such as this. Have we become so low as to dare invade another nation simply because he is following his religion, would that make you better then him, in some weird and twisted way?

You bicker and complain simply because a government leader passed a 'controversial' law. I see many other bigger and more 'powerful' nations passing such laws but is there ever such declarations against him? No, we stay silent against such a foe.

You call him hypocritical; well take a look at yourselves. You dare call yourselves respectable nations, I'd spit on your flag if there was one near by. You are all below this nation of El Caudillo in our eyes and deserve nothing but a beat down. Any nation declaring or preparing to invade El Caudillo will face the might of the Dracun Imperium, do not test us.


~Chancellor Tinverian


"God bless you, my friend. On behalf of all El Caudillans, I thank you heartily and profusely."

--Vorster--

(OOC: Wanna be allies?)

OOC: Always looking to help out the new guy ;) and sure of course.

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Official Government Response
How very interesting nations insulting each other over a mere matter such as this. Have we become so low as to dare invade another nation simply because he is following his religion, would that make you better then him, in some weird and twisted way?

You bicker and complain simply because a government leader passed a 'controversial' law. I see many other bigger and more 'powerful' nations passing such laws but is there ever such declarations against him? No, we stay silent against such a foe.

You call him hypocritical; well take a look at yourselves. You dare call yourselves respectable nations, I'd spit on your flag if there was one near by. You are all below this nation of El Caudillo in our eyes and deserve nothing but a beat down. Any nation declaring or preparing to invade El Caudillo will face the might of the Dracun Imperium, do not test us.


~Chancellor Tinverian


Hypocritical? look in a Dictionary before makeing clames like that, buddy


Sir Duchest
Commander of the Unity Party
Leader of Hinderlan

OOC: Always looking to help out the new guy ;) and sure of course.

(OOC: Thanks a lot, man! :))

OOC: El Caudillo, I sent you a TG in regards to a small scale war, not an allied dog-pile, which could involve only you and me. Take a look at it and tell me what you think.
Dracun imperium, I sent it before you made your declaration, so I in no way intended to get involved with any more then El Caudillo. Anyway, I intend to discuss this over TG.

Message to Sir Duchest,
Maybe you should as well? Your grammer and spelling seem to be quite off.
Signed,
Minister Adrienne Zavar
Foreign and Trade Minister
http://www.cswu.cz/characters/img/char/mon_mothma_l.jpg

Hypocritical? look in a Dictionary before makeing clames like that, buddy


Sir Duchest
Commander of the Unity Party
Leader of Hinderlan

"The only book YOU should be concerned with reading is the Holy Bible. If you renounce the ways of the Evil One soon, and begin living a moral Christian life, perhaps salvation may eventually be yours."

--Vorster--

OOC:Why don't we discuss this over AIM or MSN?

OOC:Why don't we discuss this over AIM or MSN?

OOC: Either or is fine with me.

Message to Sir Duchest,
Maybe you should as well? Your grammer and spelling seem to be quite off.
Signed,
Minister Adrienne Zavar
Foreign and Trade Minister
http://www.cswu.cz/characters/img/char/mon_mothma_l.jpg


well you see "Good" woman I did not have the chance to get a proper egucation


(OOC bit of back history, Duchest has spent basicly his hole life trying to reunite his nation)

"The only book YOU should be concerned with reading is the Holy Bible. If you renounce the ways of the Evil One soon, and begin living a moral Christian life, perhaps salvation may eventually be yours."

--Vorster--

Please the only thing that book is good for is stopping bullets and starting fires


Sir Duchest
Commander of the Unity Party
Leader of Hinderlan

Please the only thing that book is good for is stopping bullets and starting fires


Sir Duchest
Commander of the Unity Party
Leader of Hinderlan

"Bite your tongue, blasphemous one. Soon, very soon, I will deliver you into the arms of your dark master, Satan."

--Vorster--

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Official Government Response
How very interesting nations insulting each other over a mere matter such as this. Have we become so low as to dare invade another nation simply because he is following his religion, would that make you better then him, in some weird and twisted way?

You bicker and complain simply because a government leader passed a 'controversial' law. I see many other bigger and more 'powerful' nations passing such laws but is there ever such declarations against him? No, we stay silent against such a foe.

You call him hypocritical; well take a look at yourselves. You dare call yourselves respectable nations, I'd spit on your flag if there was one near by. You are all below this nation of El Caudillo in our eyes and deserve nothing but a beat down. Any nation declaring or preparing to invade El Caudillo will face the might of the Dracun Imperium, do not test us.


~Chancellor Tinverian

OOC: Um... the only nation threatening to even consider invasion that I can see was MassPwnage, and he only mentioned it fleetingly OOC...

OOC:But it never said MP was the reason, it was just a warning.

"Bite your tongue, blasphemous one. Soon, very soon, I will deliver you into the arms of your dark master, Satan."

--Vorster--


You dare set foot on Hinderlan, and me and my peaple will send you to meet your "lord" (snicker)


Sir Duchest
Commander of the Unity Party
Leader of Hinderlan

You dare set foot on Hinderlan, and me and my peaple will send you to meet your "lord" (snicker)


Sir Duchest
Commander of the Unity Party
Leader of Hinderlan

"As a defender of Christianity, the Almighty would defend me against your rabid Hell-mongering hordes. One day, you shall meet His fury head-on, when He confines you into the eternal abyss of Hell, where your putrid, pitiful excuse for a soul will be damned by your cherished father, Satan!"

--Vorster--

Chancellor Tinverian,

I must dispute your claims of the United Kingdom being below the level of El Caudillo for in the case of policy disputes this government takes the position that should we become aware of them, we will make known public our displeasure with said actions. This does not mean, however, that we intend to take any direct action against such nations for they are well within their sovereign bounds to pass legislation to govern their lands. We simply must speak out against those policies that this government disagrees with, and then warn our own citizens to avoid said nations if at all possible.

Therefore, we must claim offence at your call to spit on the flag of the Kingdom as a most distasteful disrespect of our proud government and proud people. We seek no conflict requiring a “beat down” with your government as this affair should remain solely in the realm of diplomacy; however should you indeed threaten this government or the people of the Kingdom we will defend our interests vigourously. Though, for the record, we do stand by your claim that other nations threatening invasion over such largely trivial matters do not aid their cause by such brash and radical courses of action. In this regard, we stand by your government and your citizens and would, if required by the situation, consider assisting your nation in defending the sovereign rights of a foreign government.

Emily Deveraux
Minister of Foreign Affairs

OOC: Um... the only nation threatening to even consider invasion that I can see was MassPwnage, and he only mentioned it fleetingly OOC...

OOC: Should have read closer. I'm considering a war. And I've already TGed El Caudillo about it.

ooc: Heck, i would LOVE to invade this guy, but I'm too busy to start a new RP. Anyway, this guy has potential to become a good RP'er, don't kill him.

Btw, tip for you El Caudillo: Ignore Guffingford. You'll later find out why.

"As a defender of Christianity, the Almighty would defend me against your rabid Hell-mongering hordes. One day, you shall meet His fury head-on, when He confines you into the eternal abyss of Hell, where your putrid, pitiful excuse for a soul will be damned by your cherished father, Satan!"

--Vorster--

Then COME. See how your almighty protection fairs against cold hard lead


Sir Duchest
Commander of the Unity Party
Leader of Hinderlan

ooc: Heck, i would LOVE to invade this guy, but I'm too busy to start a new RP. Anyway, this guy has potential to become a good RP'er, don't kill him.

Btw, tip for you El Caudillo: Ignore Guffingford. You'll later find out why.

OOC: Exactly, I need some war RP practise, and I'm sure this guy could use the chance to get some in. I'm looking for a war, not a crushing defeat on either side.

OOC: Should have read closer. I'm considering a war. And I've already TGed El Caudillo about it.

OOC: And you're only considering it OOC as well, so...

Then COME. See how your almighty protection fairs against cold hard lead


Sir Duchest
Commander of the Unity Party
Leader of Hinderlan

"I would almost rather step into Hell than enter the abyssmal cesspool of Satan that is your nation."

--Vorster--

OOC: And you're only considering it OOC as well, so...

OOC: Pending discussion with El Caudillo, and possibly Dracun imperium. Anyway, I'm off to AIM and TG, so as not to continue to clutter this thread.

Message to the Nation of Azazia,
That earlier statement by the Chancellor was addressing a group of nations who were going rampant on El Caudillo. We hoped certain nations; those only expressing their displeasure would not take notice or offense to it. I apologize for the Chancellor for not making it clear enough.

But we thank you in your possible assistance if need be required, you will be remembered by the Dracun Imperium.
Minister Adrienne Zavar
Foreign and Trade Minister
http://www.cswu.cz/characters/img/char/mon_mothma_l.jpg

ooc: Heck, i would LOVE to invade this guy, but I'm too busy to start a new RP. Anyway, this guy has potential to become a good RP'er, don't kill him.

Btw, tip for you El Caudillo: Ignore Guffingford. You'll later find out why.

(OOC: Thanks for the compliment, MassPwnage! Btw, I'm curious about Guffingford. Why ignore him?)

"I would almost rather step into Hell than enter the abyssmal cesspool of Satan that is your nation."

--Vorster--


as we see, the fundis will not put there money where there mouth is.

Sir Duchest
Commander of the Unity Party
Leader of Hinderlan

All I'm hearing right now is Satan this and God this. I’m getting bored of this. The hell will all of y’all, I’m going to the Wolf Academy of Higher Learning to check on my students. Bye and have fun yelling at each other.

~ The God-Emperor Count JWolf

Message to Hinderlan,
Your war mongering will get you nowhere in the world we assure you that. We advise you to stop before you get into trouble, trouble you won't survive such as a war with El Caudillo or... the Dracun Imperium. You are being watched by the Dracun Imperium.
Commander Kronos Shysa
Chief of Armed Forces
http://www.starwars.jp/character/image/exar_kun.jpg

Message to Hinderlan,
Your war mongering will get you nowhere in the world we assure you that. We advise you to stop before you get into trouble, trouble you won't survive such as a war with El Caudillo or... the Dracun Imperium. You are being watched by the Dracun Imperium.
Commander Kronos Shysa
Chief of Armed Forces
http://www.starwars.jp/character/image/exar_kun.jpg

Imperium, First of all, what the hell bussness is it of yours? you are the one who is warmongering here

2. He has been the one to threaten me, I have been telling him, that he can come and try.

Minister Zavar and the Gathering of Nations in Protest,

The United Kingdom graciously accepts the apology of the Dracun Imperium and will once again urge all parties involved in this to respect the sovereignty of El Caudillo despite any national dislike of their internal legislation. Although this government most vigourously opposes the legislation passed, we must also so oppose any military actions taken by other opposed governments to repeal said legislation. This affair ultimately concerns no nation outside of El Caudillo and should it be found that the act is greatly opposed by the citizenry of said state, that citizenry should take it upon themselves to protest the law and actively seek its repeal through the processes afforded to them by their democratic government.

Emily Deveraux
Minister of Foreign Affairs

Message to Hinderlan
You have gathered enough attention to be addressed by me, The Chancellor of the Dracun Imperium. My ministers are completely fed up with you, and I am only writing this message and I'm fed up with you. You are a thin ice, do not break it. You will not like the outcome. We pursue diplomatic action over military action but you are pushing us closer and closer to military action. Do not, push us any father.
Signed,
Chancellor Anthony Tinverian

so you silance peaple who dont agree with you now? why im I not suprised...


Sir Duchest
Commander of the Unity Party
Leader of Hinderlan

Message to Hinderlan,
No, not at all, in fact far from it. We only silence the war monger's which you fall into perfectly. The ice is cracking Hinderlan, don't make another move it could very well be your last.

We are a nation of democratic beliefs, and diplomatic solutions but as stated in our previous statement you seem to push us to the breaking point. I will not tolerate anymore from you if you dare threaten El Caudillo again. Now go away, your pathetic nation is no longer of interest to us.
Signed,
Chancellor Tinverian
Chancellor of the Dracun People

ooc: DI and Dostanuot Loj, what are your AIM/MSNs?

OOC: mine is oonoitzelkinz

bump

I don't believe what ears are hearing. These acts are the work of the Devil himself. Maybe you should listen to the Lord before passing these evil laws

Rev. John M. Browning III
The Haylife Church of the Republic

I don't believe what ears are hearing. These acts are the work of the Devil himself. Maybe you should listen to the Lord before passing these evil laws

Rev. John M. Browning III
The Haylife Church of the Republic

"Pray tell, 'Reverand,' to which faith do you adhere? To which church do you belong? You are probably an apostle of the Church of Satan. Burn in Hell, heretic!"

--Vorster--

Semi-IC: "We will gladly give transfer passes to eternal paradise to anyone that lands up in Hell as a result of these acts."-Satan

Haylife is a religion created with Islamic, Jewish, Hindu, and Christan ideas. It's the religion of Liberalism.

Rev. John M. Browning III
The Haylife Church of the Republic

Haylife is a religion created with Islamic, Jewish, Hindu, and Christan ideas. It's the religion of Liberalism.

Rev. John M. Browning III
The Haylife Church of the Republic

"Just as I thought, a bunch of sickly pink humanists, pseudo-intellectual liberals, and blasphemous Satanists. Your entire nation is doomed to eternal damnation!!!!"

--Vorster--

OOC: 4 exclamation marks. Approaching the point of non return for grammar insanity.

OOC:Keep the OOC to a minimum, this is a good rp keep it that way thank you.

The Protestant Army applauds this move towards a more moral society. However, it is concerned that the vagueness of several of these rules will cause problems for El Caudillo in the future.

-Rick Kordo

To: Francois Vorster
From: The Oligarch of Kriegorgrad, Comrade Leader Nikolai Fedorenkov
Subject: Morality!

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”Kriegorgrad applauds your heroic steps in ridding your nation of intellectual and moral decay – you have the backing of the Collective Oligarchy should any other the atypical western dogs not take kindly to your nobly justified actions. To protect one’s people, one must take away the vices, the potential dangers, from the people in order to safeguard not only your people but your culture!

Don’t falter in your righteous duty, stand tall.“

Yours Sincerely,


The Oligarch of Kriegorgrad, Comrade Leader Nikolai Fedorenkov

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To: Francois Vorster
From: The Oligarch of Kriegorgrad, Comrade Leader Nikolai Fedorenkov
Subject: Morality!

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”Kriegorgrad applauds your heroic steps in ridding your nation of intellectual and moral decay – you have the backing of the Collective Oligarchy should any other the atypical western dogs not take kindly to your nobly justified actions. To protect one’s people, one must take away the vices, the potential dangers, from the people in order to safeguard not only your people but your culture!

Don’t falter in your righteous duty, stand tall.“

Yours Sincerely,


The Oligarch of Kriegorgrad, Comrade Leader Nikolai Fedorenkov

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v227/Kriegorgrad/seal.jpg

"We don't need praise from filthy communists."

--Vorster--

The Great Leader's Office:

The Great Leader continued to monitor the situation on his computer. Oh great, that idiot Oligarch from Kriegorgrad had to open his ass up. He wasn't about to reply to him, but still, his comments were rather unwelcome.

The actual situation though, wasn't looking that good. El Caudillo was not a large nation by any stretch of the imagination and some other so called "military power" would probably see it as easy pickings.

Even the Great Leader was tempted to invade El Caudillo, if only slightly. But of course, no matter how stupid their policies were, El Caudillo as an independent nation was a better idea that someone else gaining even more land by rolling over a rather helpless victim in a massively lopsided victory.

The Great Leader knew what he had to do. He began to turn on his videophone, but that would just give away his obvious disapproval of El Caudillo's policies. He began to draft an email.

Official MassPwnage Government Message to the Government of El Caudillo:

"I could write a letter detailing the litany of complaints and problems I have with your reactionary and draconian morality legislation. I could threaten to embargo, blockade or invade you. But I won't. The issue here is not about what laws or freedoms you may or may not have, but rather about national sovereignty. Invading you to make your people conform to my belief systems is just as stupid as yours invading mine. On that note, you have a promise that I will not infringe upon your national sovereignty and that if anyone tries to interfere with yours, they'll be hearing from me."

Signed: The Great Leader Li

His position was established. Now, to see if that idiot morality minister would actually decline the offer.... He probably would.

Official MassPwnage Government Message to the Government of El Caudillo:

"I could write a letter detailing the litany of complaints and problems I have with your reactionary and draconian morality legislation. I could threaten to embargo, blockade or invade you. But I won't. The issue here is not about what laws or freedoms you may or may not have, but rather about national sovereignty. Invading you to make your people conform to my belief systems is just as stupid as yours invading mine. On that note, you have a promise that I will not infringe upon your national sovereignty and that if anyone tries to interfere with yours, they'll be hearing from me."

Signed: The Great Leader Li

Encrypting...
Affirmed that line is clean
Initiating transmission...
Encryption complete!

To: The Great Leader Li
From: Chancellor Adolfo Portocarrero
Subject: Compromise

"We have neither the desire nor the intention to entangle ourselves in your affairs, let alone invade your nation. So long as you respect our sovereignty, we shall respect yours."

End transmission.

ooc: DI and Dostanuot Loj, what are your AIM/MSNs?

OOC: Sorry I didn't reply to this sooner.
My AIM is Beowulf ONI.

Offical Statement
The Religious Comonwealth of Jagada

Upon the conclusion of our review of your "Regulation of Morality Act", the Religious Commonwealth has come to the conclusion that your regime has sadly come under the rule of this "Vorster" and it appears as though he has abused his powers as a Spiritual Advisor, or whatever you desire to call to the position.

As such, due to that fact that the Religious Commonwealth does not believe forcing, to the degree you have, morality upon our citizens, we are going to voluntarily place an embargo against your nation.

It truly is sad to do this to another religious nation, especially since the world is slowly being consumed with Neo-Liberals, who desire to impose their ways under the mask and viel of false doctrine of equality. We do hope that El Caudillo will reconsider the aforementioned act and revoke it soon enough.

Highest Minister Hunter Norris--The Religious Commonwealth of Jagada

Luxus Mond Intelligence Service has just informed me of gross human rights abuses in El Caudillo. This small nation is worst than Pseudo-communist totaliarian societies. In the compassiate spirit of Luxus Mond, we open our borders to any asylum seekers from this horrible atmosphere. We will not spend any troops to "liberate" El Caudillo. Let this vile government rot, but let her tired, her hungry, come to the luxurious moon city of Luxus Mond. In Luxus Mond, not only will asylum seekers enjoy great freedoms and civil rights, they will be immediately processed into the work force, so as to faciliate them into society faster. Asylum seekers will bask in the beauty of the glorious city with the locals who enjoy revealing clothing, open sexuality, open science. Basically a society free of the chains of oppression that religion brings.

Thank you. I send my dearest wishes to those poor citizens in El Caudillo.

Preimer Kyle Caskey of Luxus Mond, Moon.

Luxus Mond Intelligence Service has just informed me of gross human rights abuses in El Caudillo. This small nation is worst than Pseudo-communist totaliarian societies. In the compassiate spirit of Luxus Mond, we open our borders to any asylum seekers from this horrible atmosphere. We will not spend any troops to "liberate" El Caudillo. Let this vile government rot, but let her tired, her hungry, come to the luxurious moon city of Luxus Mond. In Luxus Mond, not only will asylum seekers enjoy great freedoms and civil rights, they will be immediately processed into the work force, so as to faciliate them into society faster. Asylum seekers will bask in the beauty of the glorious city with the locals who enjoy revealing clothing, open sexuality, open science. Basically a society free of the chains of oppression that religion brings.

Thank you. I send my dearest wishes to those poor citizens in El Caudillo.

Preimer Kyle Caskey of Luxus Mond, Moon.

"Oppression, indeed. Religion is the cornerstone of civilization. Without the guiding hand of God, the world would be nothing but tyranny by majority, communism, anarchy, and sheer mayhem. Renounce your faith in the dark one, turn away from your sinful past, and abandon your sickly pink humanist religion and embrace the grace of God."

--Vorster--

Offical Statement
The Religious Comonwealth of Jagada

Upon the conclusion of our review of your "Regulation of Morality Act", the Religious Commonwealth has come to the conclusion that your regime has sadly come under the rule of this "Vorster" and it appears as though he has abused his powers as a Spiritual Advisor, or whatever you desire to call to the position.

As such, due to that fact that the Religious Commonwealth does not believe forcing, to the degree you have, morality upon our citizens, we are going to voluntarily place an embargo against your nation.

It truly is sad to do this to another religious nation, especially since the world is slowly being consumed with Neo-Liberals, who desire to impose their ways under the mask and viel of false doctrine of equality. We do hope that El Caudillo will reconsider the aforementioned act and revoke it soon enough.

Highest Minister Hunter Norris--The Religious Commonwealth of Jagada

"A ' religious nation?' What, pray tell, is your religion? Humanism? Satanism?"

--Vorster--

To: Francois Vorster

We somewhat look undecided at your actions. In one way we feel that if your population are agreed to that, they must be a very strong type of people. That we applaud, and we look with a bit jalousy at your actions. We, as a liberal nation, could never ever implent such rules, as it would result into millions - if not billions - of Camewottians protesting. A fairly interesting nation you are, however, we respect that you follow the path of your religion, and would like to make official contact with you. You are invited in the Ministry of Foreign Relations

~ Princess Layla

OOC: There's a link to it in my signature, if you cannot see it, search Camewot and then make an IC post in Ministries v2.0, we are looking forward of making contact with you.

To: Francois Vorster

We somewhat look undecided at your actions. In one way we feel that if your population are agreed to that, they must be a very strong type of people. That we applaud, and we look with a bit jalousy at your actions. We, as a liberal nation, could never ever implent such rules, as it would result into millions - if not billions - of Camewottians protesting. A fairly interesting nation you are, however, we respect that you follow the path of your religion, and would like to make official contact with you. You are invited in the Ministry of Foreign Relations

~ Princess Layla

OOC: There's a link to it in my signature, if you cannot see it, search Camewot and then make an IC post in Ministries v2.0, we are looking forward of making contact with you.

"Thank you, Your Majesty, but if you wish to establish diplomatic relations, you're talking to the wrong man. Please direct your inquiries to the Minister of Foreign Affairs, Reynaldo Salazar (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y160/Roach-Busters/Reynaldo_Salazar.gif)."

--Vorster--

To: Reynaldo Salazar

After having talked to your emperor, you, or one of your delegates, are invited in the Ministry of Foreign Relations for a chat.

~ Princess Layla

OOC: You know the way.

To: Reynaldo Salazar

After having talked to your emperor, you, or one of your delegates, are invited in the Ministry of Foreign Relations for a chat.

~ Princess Layla

OOC: You know the way.

"I have been granted permission by my dear Emperor to exchange embassies with you. We would be delighted to begin diplomatic relations."

--Salazar--

(OOC: IRL, I have many gay friends.

OOC: I bet!!! HAHA!

OOC: Eh... Hope that's not too forward... Just a joke man...

IC: Moral standards cannot be inforced by government... (Same thing that led to the creation of the USA) Personal choice and freedom is paramount in todays society, putting funds into advertising a proper lifestyle and supplying an alternate education that supports strong ethical and moral standards would be the better resolution to pass.

OOC: I'm sorry I'm horrible at RP, I do try but I cannot for the life of me describe some surroundings to this message... lol

OOC: Eh... Hope that's not too forward... Just a joke man...

IC: Moral standards cannot be inforced by government... (Same thing that led to the creation of the USA) Personal choice and freedom is paramount in todays society, putting funds into advertising a proper lifestyle and supplying an alternate education that supports strong ethical and moral standards would be the better resolution to pass.

OOC: I'm sorry I'm horrible at RP, I do try but I cannot for the life of me describe some surroundings to this message... lol

IC:

"You may be able to stomach the presence of sinners, but as a God-fearing nation, we have zero tolerance for sins committed on our sacred soil."

--Vorster--

Message to Jagada,
Embargoes are completely legal and efficient ways to further your condemnations without pursuing military force. We applaud you for this move and hope you continue this diplomatic way, we hope not to see another possible end to the 'situation' go down in the fires of war.
Signed,
Minister Adrienne Zavar
Foreign and Trade Minister
http://www.cswu.cz/characters/img/char/mon_mothma_l.jpg

OOC:To avoid hijacking this thread, El Caudillo, please respond to this message via Telegram.
IC:
Top Secret Message from Tech-Com Corporation to El Caudillo Goverment
"Congratulations on your attempt to purify your nation! Although we do not approve of all of the points on the act, a majority of them hit home in the right places... just to use the words the Americans use. Anyway, we noticed you are a rather new nation who probably has a outdated military. We can help you update it! Here is a sample of the items we sell. For a full catalog, please contact us.

MBT-66: This State-of-the-Art Main Battle Tank has 37% more armor than a M1A2 Abrams, yet moves at the same speed. The reason for this is instead of using the Abrams Steel-DPU Advanced Composite Armor, we use Titanium-DPU Advanced Composite Armor. Titanium is 40% stronger than steel yet lighter. The MBT-66 armament consists of one 140mm ETC Cannon, one 7.62mm co-axial machinegun, and one top mounted 12.7mm(.50 Caliber) machinegun. It has all the electronics you would find on a M1A2 SEP(Special-Electronics Package). Its gun is capable of firing HEAT(anti-APC/IFV/LBT), SABOT(Anti-MBT), and HE-FRAG(Anti-Infantry) shells. Cost:10 million USD per tank

APC-45:This Armored Personnel Carrier is capable of carrying 10 men inside. It has a fully rotatable turret armed with two 23mm rapid firing FLAK guns. These guns are also effective against infantry and unarmored veichles. 3 million per APC.

M-100 Assault Rifle:This rifle fires about 100 meters more then the AK-74, 10 more Rounds Per Minute, and has a slightly larger clip(34 instead of 30). It utilises 6.5mm rounds and can come with either a gunsight or laser scope. Fires in semi-auto, auto, and burst. Cost:1200 USD per gun.

MDM-1 Anti-Tank Rocket Launcher:Has the same effective range as the M-100 Assualt Rifle and can be fired inside buildings. Unguided, lightweight, portable, and reloadable. Fire from above or behind the tank for maximum penetration. 2400 per launcher.

MDM-4 Surface-Air Missile: Is capable of effectively targeting all types of aircraft, Cruise Missiles, and Short Range Ballistic Missiles(like the SCUD) at all levels of height. A battery of them comes with Laser-Guided, IR Guided, and Radar-Guided Missiles, the first two are for targetting low-mid flying viechles, the latter targets mid-high flying veichles. A battery also comes with a specialised high powered radar array capable of detecting and targetting most Low Signature(read:Stealth) aircraft. A battery usually consists of 6 of these fine weapons. The MDM-4 is even capable of targetting large bombs(such as a FAE or MOAB), though only the laser guided missiles are capable of doing this. The MDM-4 is a stationary weapon that must be disassembled to move and assembled to fire. The launcher holds 6 missiles(radar-guided) or 12 missiles(IR and Laser-Guided). A single radar array can guide a battery of MDM-4s. The total cost for a Launcher WITH missiles costs about 21 million USD per launcher. The radar array costs 10 million USD.

M-1 Tunguska RT Mobile Anti Aircraft System: This is a modified Tunguska Mobile Anti-Aircraft Gun/Missile System. Instead of firing 8 SA-19 Missiles, it fires 8 QMSAM(Quick Manueverable Surface-Air Missiles)-10 and -20 missiles. These missiles move at Mach 5 and are either Laser(-10 version) or IR (-20 version) guided. Both versions have a 93% success rate against low-flying aircraft and cruise missiles. This will cost 12 million USD per launcher WITH the missiles.

LRASM(Long Range Anti-Surface Missile)-50: This is NOT a cruise missile but instead a long range missile effective against ships, bunkers, and structures(effectiveness against target type depends on warhead). There are two versions, a air launched one and a surface launched one, the former haveing a slightly shorter range of 110 miles instead of 115 miles. There are 4 warheads, deep penetration, anti-structure, anti-ship, and chemical delivery(the last warhead is also capable of carrying cluster bomblets). The missile moves above mach-1 and is a surface skimmer making it difficult to hit with CIWS. It costs 3 million per missile.

Training in above equipment:Each instructor will cost 700,000 American Dollars

We hope these products will fit your needs well. Please contact us soon.

PS:We prefer that you have a place to deliver these weapons."

End Message

Official Imperial Statement

We applaud the nation of El Caudillo's steadfastness when confronted by the many heretical nations who seek to destroy the world's immorality. If needed, the Empire shall deploy forces to safeguard said nation from the oppresion of the heathen. God bless.

Official Imperial Statement

We applaud the nation of El Caudillo's steadfastness when confronted by the many heretical nations who seek to destroy the world's immorality. If needed, the Empire shall deploy forces to safeguard said nation from the oppresion of the heathen. God bless.

"We thank the magnificent nation of Doomingsland for its support. May God's blessings always shine upon your great people."

--Vorster--

To: El Caudillo
From: Director of Foreign Affairs Nidia Aislinn, Mikosolf Corporation
Subj: National Choice

We of the Mikosolf Corporation applaud your efforts in controlling your populace. Though we may not agree with most of the statements made with in your doctrine, we applaud your determination to controll those that need to be controlled.

We hope that your populace will be more willing than ours is at accepting policy, especially when limiting things.

We wish you the best of luck is "fun"pressing your people.

**"Fun"pression/ing is copywrite of the Mikosolf Corporation, and use of "fun"pression in propaganda campaigns or communications will result in swift legal action.**

My intelligence services have continually given me reports of the worsing human rights abuses in El Caudillo. While there are millions of hapless souls on Earth that are being oppressed at this very minute, this does not mean we should give up trying to save the oppressed. Why should a luxurious, industrialized, prosperous Lunar City get invovled with Earth affairs? Well Earth is the homeworld of our forefathers. To turn our back on the people of Earth would be a disgrace. To prevent this, the intelligence department with the ULS Committe on Human Rights, has been monitoring nations on their abuses. When El Caudillo openly displayed this on their newspapers, we felt it would be in our best interests to intervene. While military action would only create hatred towards the peaceful Lunar Citizens, Luxus Mond and other United Lunar Socialist Lunar Cities are joining forces to show that the Moon does not condone abuse. Moments ago, the United Lunar Socialist Congress voted to fund the following actions against El Caudillo.

1) United Lunar Socialist Government is implementing a trade, scientific, and resource embargo against El Caudillo. Other nations are joining the embargo.

2) Search and seizure of all El Caudillo spacecraft with Luxus Mond Special Forces. These spacecraft may be anything from a single astronaut to cargo barges to communication satellites. All will be impounded and detained in Earth or Lunar orbit. Any El Caudillo citizen aboard these craft is able to claim asylum with any United Lunar Socialist city.

3) Landing of large cargo aircraft with military escort fighters in El Caudillo to fly out any fleeing El Caudillo citizen. These aircraft will then move the citizens to refugee camps in the Luxus Mond Earth spaceport. Besides aircraft, direct from space cargo transports will land and rescue any citizen.

4) All embassies of Luxus Mond and other ULS cities will be closed and evacuated in El Caudillo and supporting nations.

5) Radio and TV broadcasts will bombard the El Caudillo aging media network. This will give the citizens hope with messages of freedom and liberty.

6) Any military action taken against any ULS aircraft or spacecraft will result in relatory missile strikes against military installations in El Caudillo. Do not waste your weapons attempting to attack any Lunar City. We are too far away for your wimpy missiles. Any attack on any ULS spaceport will be considered a terrorist attack resulting in further reliatory attacks, but this time on El Caudillo religious, military command, and government facilites.

The sooner the El Caudillo government retracts these oppressive laws, the sooner the nation will return to normal without the threat of "heavens" casting down a fiery rain of hell.

Mark the words of the United Lunar Socialists: "We are sick and tired of those damn religions oppressing people. The time has arrived to faciliate the end of this oppression."

Premier Kyle Caskey of Luxus Mond
22nd Congress of United Lunar Socialists

Today, under strong, unyielding pressure from Minister of Morality Francois Vorster, Parliament passed a controversial new bill, the "Regulation of Morality Act," which was signed into law today by Chancellor Adolfo Portocarrero. The law stipulates that:

1.Abortions are to be made illegal, with no exceptions.
2.Gambling is to be outlawed.
3.Profanity is to be outlawed.
4.The wearing of skirts with hems above the knees by women is to be outlawed; moreover, women will be prohibited from wearing jeans.
5.Halter tops, short shirts, etc. are to be outlawed.
6.Kissing in public is to be outlawed.
7.Vulgar, off-color jokes are to be outlawed.
8.Proper manners are to be strictly enforced (i.e., "Yes, sir," "no, ma'am," "please," "thank you," "you're welcome," etc.); those who do not comply are to be publicly lashed ten times and forced to pay a fine of 500 Pesetas.
9.Pornography is to be outlawed.
10.Alcohol and all drugs are to be outlawed.
11.Pre-marital sex is to be outlawed.
12.Adulterty is to be outlawed.
13.Stem cell research is to be outlawed.
14.Homosexuality and bisexuality are to be outlawed.
15.Transvestism, transsexualism, etc. are to be outlawed.

Mini Miehm is sending in an elite squad of scantily clad or naked, lesbian and bisexual, alchoholic, very puiblicly horny, rude, profane, and vulgar, male and female prostitutes to save the people of this nation from their leaders folly, they will have diplomatic immunity and be sent with a years supply of pornograpic magazines and novels to distribute to the populace, as well as beer, and vodka, they are now the morale department in our newly sent diplomatic mission to this poor misguided nation.

1) United Lunar Socialist Government is implementing a trade, scientific, and resource embargo against El Caudillo. Other nations are joining the embargo.

2) Search and seizure of all El Caudillo spacecraft with Luxus Mond Special Forces. These spacecraft may be anything from a single astronaut to cargo barges to communication satellites. All will be impounded and detained in Earth or Lunar orbit. Any El Caudillo citizen aboard these craft is able to claim asylum with any United Lunar Socialist city.

3) Landing of large cargo aircraft with military escort fighters in El Caudillo to fly out any fleeing El Caudillo citizen. These aircraft will then move the citizens to refugee camps in the Luxus Mond Earth spaceport. Besides aircraft, direct from space cargo transports will land and rescue any citizen.

4) All embassies of Luxus Mond and other ULS cities will be closed and evacuated in El Caudillo and supporting nations.

5) Radio and TV broadcasts will bombard the El Caudillo aging media network. This will give the citizens hope with messages of freedom and liberty.

6) Any military action taken against any ULS aircraft or spacecraft will result in relatory missile strikes against military installations in El Caudillo. Do not waste your weapons attempting to attack any Lunar City. We are too far away for your wimpy missiles. Any attack on any ULS spaceport will be considered a terrorist attack resulting in further reliatory attacks, but this time on El Caudillo religious, military command, and government facilites.


OOC:Are you future tech? If so he has the right to ignore you.

IC:Official Statement From Red Tide Goverment
"1.Okay... but we wont be joining it...
2. That is an act of war on your part and if El Caudillo decides to press the issue and declare war they will have our full support.
3. See above.
4. Fine with me.
5. He can jam those you know?
6. If you do that... dont be surprised if your presidents living residence is wiped out by a kamikaze sattelite loaded with plastic explosives.

Mini Miehm,

Would your elite squad like to use one of our cargo aircraft or spacecraft into El Caudillo? We should be able to have our escort fighters provide cover fire to allow for a quick and easy landing of the transport craft. When your squad is done, we will be more than willing to retrieve them and bring them back to safety.

Any nation wanting to send special ops or care packages, Luxus Mond and other ULS Lunar Cities will be able to allow for quick and safe entry and exit. The Council of Presidents of the Moon would like to thank all nations willing to support actions against El Caudillo. Thank you all.

OOC:Are you future tech? If so he has the right to ignore you.

IC:Official Statement From Red Tide Goverment
"1.Okay... but we wont be joining it...
2. That is an act of war on your part and if El Caudillo decides to press the issue and declare war they will have our full support.
3. See above.
4. Fine with me.
5. He can jam those you know?
6. If you do that... dont be surprised if your presidents living residence is wiped out by a kamikaze sattelite loaded with plastic explosives.


Any attacks upon those who oppose this heretic El Caudillo will result in KEW attacks from orbiting satelites.(they shoot out really big rocks and the impact blows things up, it's perfectly possible with MT)

Mini Miehm,

Would your elite squad like to use one of our cargo aircraft or spacecraft into El Caudillo? We should be able to have our escort fighters provide cover fire to allow for a quick and easy landing of the transport craft. When your squad is done, we will be more than willing to retrieve them and bring them back to safety.

Any nation wanting to send special ops or care packages, Luxus Mond and other ULS Lunar Cities will be able to allow for quick and safe entry and exit. The Council of Presidents of the Moon would like to thank all nations willing to support actions against El Caudillo. Thank you all.


We thought the playboybunny-mobile would be a better way to send them in and deal with these uptight clerics.

Official Response From Red Tide Goverment
"Good thing we have Anti-Sattelite Sattelites over our nation."

Official Response From Red Tide Goverment
"Good thing we have Anti-Sattelite Sattelites over our nation."

KEWs cannot be tracked, they make no emissions, they are not that easy to stop and they can be launched out of range of any weapon you could stop it with.(it's true, if they launched far enough out they could launch days in advance and still hit your nation in the proper spot, and the satelites aren't over your territory, they're at an angle to it that still allows impact at the proper targets, I've done my research on KEW theory, they're almost unstoppable.)

OOC:So... you have a sattelite that not even SPACE BASED ANTI-SATTELITE MISSILES can shoot down? Thats one nice godmod if I ever saw one.

OOC:So... you have a sattelite that not even SPACE BASED ANTI-SATTELITE MISSILES can shoot down? Thats one nice godmod if I ever saw one.

OOC: no, I have a weapon on the satellite that you couldn't stop, and missiles don't work very well in vacuum, what with the lack of oxygen and all, so my satelites should have plenty of time to launch if you fire on them.

This is not future tech, only by about ten or twenty years.

In response to Redtide:

Any search and seizure of spacecraft in space is not considered an act of war under the Clavius Geneva Code of Space Conduct. In recent years, as the threat of terrorism rises, the 5th Clavius Geneva Congress allowed for all signing member nations, colonies, space stations, and cities to protect vital interests through any necessary and legal means. This is no different than American Coast Guard. El Caudillo spacecraft will be warned that if the ship does not shut engines down, then the search team will dock and seize the ship. This will rarely happen since reports have shown El Caudillo has a weak space force. Also most ships will usually heave to for searches. This isn't uncommon in the oceans of space, so lay off.

Jamming of radio and TV broadcasts would be expected.

Any attacks on the Moon, like I said earlier will be wasted. The distance is too far for Earth launched satellites to be effective. The sheer time and distance allows for adequate protection.

Now this can be easily resolved in the Valhalla Space Station, a neutral Clavius Geneva Peace station that helps conflicting nations to solve disputes. Luxus Mond's and the Moon's dispute with El Caudillo is the injustice being served by the religous government. Other nations have seen this and are joining forces.

OOC:Uhhh... with a few exceptions(IE:The Tomahawk and V-1) missiles are nothing more then guided rockets... and rockets store their own oxygen. Besides, you wouldnt detect my anti-sattelites firing at another sattelite(unless you luckily had a spy sattelite that was looking at my Anti-Sattelites when they fired) and missiles move faster in space then in the atmosphere.

OOC: This is directed at Luxus Mond... Your first argument is stupid. Chances are El Caudillo has not signed that treaty. As a matter of fact, would you like to provide a link to when the treaty was signed on NS.

The fact that you are unassalable to Earth based nations is a complete and utter godmod. If you continue to act that way I will ignore you and advise El Caudillo to do likewise... although wether he will do it is entirely up to him.

OOC:Uhhh... with a few exceptions(IE:The Tomahawk and V-1) missiles are nothing more then guided rockets... and rockets store their own oxygen. Besides, you wouldnt detect my anti-sattelites firing at another sattelite(unless you luckily had a spy sattelite that was looking at my Anti-Sattelites when they fired) and missiles move faster in space then in the atmosphere.


A weapon must be able to find its target, and by the same token it must be able to find out if it is a target, all satelites in orbit from my nation have ten kilometer proximity releases, where anything that comes within ten kilometers automatically triggers a shot from the satelite at its programmed target(usually some spot in the pacific or ant antarctica, targets are changed in war time).

Most misslies are missiles, not anything like guided rockets, since most rockets are, by definition, unguided, and I can only think of one missile that carries its own oxygen, and no rockets(RPGs, and the various rocket weapons that are man portable are almost the only rockets left anyway.)

OOC:A:That means all your KEWs are out of ammo by now, since there is all sorts of space debris up there that would count as a 'object'.

B:As for your argument that missiles are not rockets. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! It is a proven fact that a missile is just a fancy name for a GUIDED ROCKET. If you still dont believe me, let me ask you this. What propels a majority of missiles?

A weapon must be able to find its target, and by the same token it must be able to find out if it is a target, all satelites in orbit from my nation have ten kilometer proximity releases, where anything that comes within ten kilometers automatically triggers a shot from the satelite at its programmed target(usually some spot in the pacific or ant antarctica, targets are changed in war time).

Most misslies are missiles, not anything like guided rockets, since most rockets are, by definition, unguided, and I can only think of one missile that carries its own oxygen, and no rockets(RPGs, and the various rocket weapons that are man portable are almost the only rockets left anyway.)
OOC:Wrong. Anything that utilizes a solid or liquid fuel rocket motor (such as the RPG-7 or the AT-4) has its own oxegen. The TOW-2B is a missile that utilizes a solid fuel rocket motor and is guided, same with the AIM-54 Phoenix, the AIM-9 Sidewinder, and the list goes on.

OOC:A:That means all your KEWs are out of ammo by now, since there is all sorts of space debris up there that would count as a 'object'.

B:As for your argument that missiles are not rockets. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! It is a proven fact that a missile is just a fancy name for a GUIDED ROCKET. If you still dont believe me, let me ask you this. What propels a majority of missiles?


Most of that space junk is not threat, it's not emmiting and it's not big enough to do damage, there ae still quite a few KEWs left(just over 50)

Missiles are propelled by rocket engines, but their guidance means that they are NOT rockets, a rocket is UNGUIDED, guided rocket is an oxymoron.

OOC:A Guided Rocket is a missile. A unguided rocket is a rocket. Get my drift? Anyways, me and Doomingsland have disproven your thought that missiles cannot operate in space(which is what you said originally).

And there are PLENTY space debris up there that is threatning to a sattelite.

OOC:Wrong. Anything that utilizes a solid or liquid fuel rocket motor (such as the RPG-7 or the AT-4) has its own oxegen. The TOW-2B is a missile that utilizes a solid fuel rocket motor and is guided, same with the AIM-54 Phoenix, the AIM-9 Sidewinder, and the list goes on.

But the TOW-2B is a MISSILE, not a rocket, the guidance makes all the difference, you've never heard of ICBRs but there are plenty of ICBMs out there, because rockets and missiles are different.

Only certain rockets have oxygen, the RPG and AT are two of them, but most do not use propulsion systems that require oxygen in addition to that in the atmosphere, since they use a rockets version of the jet engine, which provides its own air as it flies.(saw it on the hiostory channel, checked with my brother in the AF, it's true.)

OOC:What are most missiles proppelled by(I already know the answer)?

OOC:A Guided Rocket is a missile. A unguided rocket is a rocket. Get my drift? Anyways, me and Doomingsland have disproven your thought that missiles cannot operate in space(which is what you said originally).

And there are PLENTY space debris up there that is threatning to a sattelite.

In RL maybe, but this is the NS multiverse, there are multiple "earths"(not the dumbass RP groups, planets) and I specifically said they would not work WELL in vacuum, since they lack oxygen to operate with, they would get there, it'd just take awhile, although I would be willing to believe that your missiles were equipped for EVA work since they are for anti-satelite work, if that is the case I'll back off.(Doomingsland lost our last argument, and pretty much we ended up scrapping the RP, let's not have that happen again.)

The Presidium members sit in their Libreville chambers at 23h00 Dovakhanese Capitals Time over Marian wine and Agripinanian bread to draft and emergency statement. They unanimously agree after hours of debate to remain neutral:


Statement of the Supreme People's Presidient of the People's Republic of Dovakhan:

On behalf the Dovakhanese People, the Presidium of Dovakhan informs all its neighbours that it has chosen to remain neutral on the matter concerning the passing of El Caudillo's morality legislation. We, however, urge the government to reconsider its decision.

-The Presidium:
Martin Kaar
Johann Fere (Chairman)
Roya Kalima
Moisha Oymann
Roman Serannan
Amelie Letpolitsi
Dimitri Ianoff
Maximilian Richelli
Zazi Maas

(Immediately following the conference, the Presidium departs for the headquarters of the People's Direction for the Treasury to alot funds for a revolution...)

OOC:Since missiles carry their own oxygen... they are not affected by the fact of whether there is a Earth like atmosphere or whether ther is no atmosphere at all. Besides, these missiles are designed to go right up to your KEW Sattelites and detonate(IE:Detonate on impact). And I could always launch my ground based ASAT Missiles.

Also... you mention EVA. Whats that?

OOC:Since missiles carry their own oxygen... they are not affected by the fact of whether there is a Earth like atmosphere or whether ther is no atmosphere at all. Besides, these missiles are designed to go right up to your KEW Sattelites and detonate(IE:Detonate on impact). And I could always launch my ground based ASAT Missiles.

Also... you mention EVA. Whats that?

OOC: Extra Vehicular or Extra Vacuum Activity, items designed to work outside the atmosphere are EVA capable.

ASAT would kill the Satelite, not the launched KEW, they don't emit in any frequency other than IR because of re-entry heat, no electronics could fit in them and survive re-entry, so they're pointed at the target and let go.

OOC: Extra Vehicular or Extra Vacuum Activity, items designed to work outside the atmosphere are EVA capable.

ASAT would kill the Satelite, not the launched KEW, they don't emit in any frequency other than IR because of re-entry heat, no electronics could fit in them and survive re-entry, so they're pointed at the target and let go.
OOC:In that case, the KEW will have absolutely horrible accuracy.

[Live TV Broadcast from the Luxus Mond Premier Solar Sail Yacht]

"Citizens and governments of fellow nations in this growing dispute over El Caudillo's stance on freedom. In the past 48hrs, nations on both side of the issue have been heating. Militaries are deploying forces. Refugee camps and mass burials are being built as we speak. In the vast ocean of space, weapons of both man and computer are being prepared against one another. This is truly a trivial matter to expend thousands of lives over. The governments of Luxus Mond and United Lunar Socialist Lunar Cities have realized that we have played a critical role in escalting this incident into a crisis. Soon nuclear weapons could come into play if we all do not back down. A little while ago, I received a letter from the Clavius Geneva Convention concerning the dispute over our position against El Caudillo. This is what was written to us:

United Lunar Socialists:
We at Clavius Geneva recognize your galiant effort to assistance in a humanitrian crisis. The move to allow refugees asylum, even free transport out, and the radio/TV broadcasts are very legimate with the trade embargo. The stance in space however is proving to be more harm than good. If El Caudillo was a larger nation with an expansive space program as yours, we would not complain or file suit, but the size and scope of their program is comparable to the American 1970s programs. We advise you step down and return any seized ships and cargos. This will be few since El Caudillo's space fleet is rather small, not even big enough to incorpate transports. Please be advised, if your Lunar Cities do not step down, then Clavius Geneva will begin sanctions against your cities. Thank you.
--Chairman Brittany Jones of Clavius Geneva"

As you can clearly see, we of Luxus Mond and the Moon overstepped our powers. We greatly apologize. Thankfully, no ships we ever searched or seized. We will continue efforts to allievate the suffering, but will not harm El Caudillo's space program. My fellow allies and hostiles, I ask that all of you deactivate your space weapons. Call back your troops. Let us all join at a neutral spaceport, Earth city, or other place to begin talks of peace and freedom for the oppressed. Thank you all and have a good evening."

[That was the Premier Kyle Caskey speaking.]

"I have been granted permission by my dear Emperor to exchange embassies with you. We would be delighted to begin diplomatic relations."

--Salazar--

Re: Salazar

Would you be able to provide some additional info? We would like to inform you that getting an embassy exchange, automaticly puts a free trade agreement between our two nations, abolishing almost all taxes on private trade between the citizens of our nations. A Camewottian embassy is also entitled to 100 - 200 Special Ops, depending on the situation in your country. And seeing as it is stabile, a minimum of 100 would be enough. We await your reply.

~ Princess Layla

OOC:Can we all stop hijacking the thread, thanks and he might very well ignore any form of ortillery since it can be classified as an 'rp killer'

OOC: I agree, Caudillo is a fine rp'er, get over it that he's ultra conservative.

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But the TOW-2B is a MISSILE, not a rocket, the guidance makes all the difference, you've never heard of ICBRs but there are plenty of ICBMs out there, because rockets and missiles are different.

Only certain rockets have oxygen, the RPG and AT are two of them, but most do not use propulsion systems that require oxygen in addition to that in the atmosphere, since they use a rockets version of the jet engine, which provides its own air as it flies.(saw it on the hiostory channel, checked with my brother in the AF, it's true.)

OOC: Yes this is true... Hoorah USAF!!!

Also guidance of such a small weapon in space would be next to impossible... Better hope for a perfectly clear target...