NationStates Jolt Archive

After careful consideration , Mationland has decided to invade Msn World after discovering that they have taken in refugees from the fleeing Mation Milita (which was driven out after 10 days of non-stop firefights) . We called upon Msn World to return the militants to our custody but they have refused and even granted visas for every militant . This was clearly an act of defiance and war .

---At 2:00 A.M , at the coast of Msn World---

-in the flagship sat the admiral and his commanders , having a meeting-
Mationland Royal Navy (MRN) 10th , 20th and 15th Fleet Admiral : As we approach Msn World , we expect a little resistance but not that much , however , we are certain that this war will not go un-noticed by the international community .
Commanders : Yes , this is agreed .
Admiral : Today I call upon you , mainly for a reason . We need to decide wether to call for aerial support .
Commander Dert : I really think that we do not need aerial support , because our fleet is big enough to crush opposing shoreline defences .
Commander Gaser : I oppose that statement fully . We definately need support , or else we'll be blown to pieces .
Admiral : I say its best we await to see what happens before calling for help . Meanwhile , I'm sure HC (high command) has appealled to the international community for help .

---Meanwhile at HC---
-the cos is having a meeting with the generals-
Chief Of Staffs (COS) : Gentlemen , today , we will broadcast a message to every nation (except MSN world) for help to conquer Msn World . It has been reported by our spies that Shildona has sent military aid to Msn World .
General Guff : Yes , my telecommunications men have done that .
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Mationland is calling upon the international community to send military aid to assist Mationland in conquering Msn World and possibly Shildona and its allies who have assisted them . Mationland will divide the loot (land , money etc) equally among every nation which assists us .

Regards ,
Mationland Foreign Affairs Ministry , Mationland War Ministry , Mationland Defence Ministry , Mationland Combined Forces , Mationland Homeland Security Force , Mationland High Command .

The People's Republic does not take kindly to your threats of war. Until these threats are lifted, we will be imposing economic sanctions against Mationland. In addition, the readiness state of our armed forces will be increased. We wish to emphasise to the international community that we do this only to ensure our security in the face of these baseless threats by these pirates.

The People's Republic does not take kindly to your threats of war. Until these threats are lifted, we will be imposing economic sanctions against Mationland. In addition, the readiness state of our armed forces will be increased. We wish to emphasise to the international community that we do this only to ensure our security in the face of these baseless threats by these pirates.

Mationland will also impose economic and diplomatic and military sanctions and calls upon all CSN Nations and Allies to help us in this war against Shildona which has a record of blantlant speeches . Mationland would like to inform the international community to be on their guard and stand firm on their negative views on Shildona and impose sanctions of them . We have to declare war only to ensure the peace and security of Mationland by those pirates .

(Have you actually declared war on me or are you just threatening to do so?)

We sincerely hope that this declaration of war is a joke as your reasons for declaring war are quite idiotic. Never have we seen such blatent warmongering from one nation before.

Nascent is right. You don't have a good reason for war. That's why I decided to take you out if you go ahead with this war.

Mationland has issued a order to its fleet to withdraw from Msn World and we withdraw all threats of war with Shildonia and Msn World . While ties with Msn World has continued , Mationland is appealing for Shildonia to forgive us for our mistake of war and become allies . We also acknowledge that sinking the Msn World Warship was our wrong and we will take more steps before turning to force . This is due to diplomatic pressure from our allies and the international community .

Regards ,
Mationland Foreign Ministry and Mationland War Ministry

After serious consideration, Kuehenberg offers its help to Mationland in order to offer a free world to our children, we will help Mationland not only with the military but with the economic and also with trade, if any nation attemps to betray our ally we will be forced to declare war or even attack without a previous declaration.

Alexander Hanfstaengl
Embassador

After serious consideration, Kuehenberg offers its help to Mationland in order to offer a free world to our children, we will help Mationland not only with the military but with the economic and also with trade, if any nation attemps to betray our ally we will be forced to declare war or even attack without a previous declaration.

Alexander Hanfstaengl
Embassador

Mationland gladly accepts this offer . We will be sending diplomats and an ambassador to your nation via airplane . We will also warmly welcome your ambassador and diplomats . We pledge to support you in times of war and also help you during peace time in both military and economy .

Regards ,
Mationland Foreign Ministry

The Republic of Legionaire views the justification for war laughable but nevertheless, will be sending a Carrier group to the region.

The Republic of Legionaire views the justification for war laughable but nevertheless, will be sending a Carrier group to the region.

What do you mean by sending a carrier group ? P.S , war's over .

We are willing to accept your surrender. However we do have concerns about the conduct of your nation, and feel that in order to prevent any possible repetition of this kind of conflict.


Reparations to be paid to all the victims of Mationland's aggression, to help repair our war-ravaged economies
Mationland will no longer be allowed to possess chemical, nuclear or biological weapons
Mationland will no longer be allowed to possess any warships above 10,000 tons
Mationland will no longer be allowed to possess any missile or other autonomous aircraft capable of flying more than 650km
Mationland will no longer be allowed to possess any aircraft with a range greater than 1000km
Mationland will not be allowed to have an army of greater than 100,000 troops
Mationland will renounce all claims of sovereignty over waters more than 12 nautical miles from it's coastline
Mationland will not be allowed to develop or deploy any weaponry in space
An independant tribunal be set up to investigate possible warcrimes committed by the civillian and military leadership of Mationland. Mationland shall cooperate fully with this tribunal.
A joint taskforce, which will include representatives of all the victorious parties, as well as any other interested parties, will be created to ensure that the terms of this surrender are complied with.


Of course, this list is not comprehensive, and we invite the other victorious parties to add to this list any conditions they feel would be appropriate.

OOC:That treaty not only reeks like Versaille. But also three of those declerations are impossible. First, Ravaged Wartime Economies? What 'Ravaged Economies'? Not a shot was fired.

Same goes for warcrimes... I didnt see any warcrimes. Finally... who is the 'Victorious Country'? Not one sides army was crushed. Not one side even FOUGHT each other.

OOC: That was a fast war.... :rolleyes:

OOC:That treaty not only reeks like Versaille. But also three of those declerations are impossible. First, Ravaged Wartime Economies? What 'Ravaged Economies'? Not a shot was fired.

Same goes for warcrimes... I didnt see any warcrimes. Finally... who is the 'Victorious Country'? Not one sides army was crushed. Not one side even FOUGHT each other.

1) There was an increase in military readiness. That'll have cost a few bob. Might as well claim it back. Other countries sent forces to render assistance. They might want to recoup their losses
2) "Waging aggressive war"? Besides, the tribunal is intended to ascertain if there were any war crimes, not to simply state that there were war crimes. Try reading the actual words that are there, rather than the words you think are there.
3) I would say the side that didn't sue for peace at the first available opportunity won.

OOC:I will say okay to the first and second one. But the reperations cant scarcely be more then a few thousand dollars and the 'Warcrimes' would certainly be nothing to execute people over.

But the last one, according to you, makes YOU the loser.

Well if we're only going to prosecute people for crimes that deserve the death penalty then let's just decriminalise everything short of murder and rape. :rolleyes:

Official Government Condemnation
We are heavily annoyed with this so called treaty. It is nothing but an excuse for one nation to make a nation pay for a war that never happened. You may make any excuses you wish, nothing can defend such terms. Here are some major problems.

-"Reparations to be paid to all the victims of Mationland's aggression, to help repair our war-ravaged economies" Your war-ravaged economies? We are very sure you can easily refill the 'ravaged' treasury of your country within minutes.

-All limitations on military capacity. You act as if they committed vast war crimes. The war was solved and that was it, no one was even killed

-War crimes? A war wasn't even fought! I'm sorry but this entire treaty is a joke.


~Chancellor Tinverian

We merely wish to ensure that no other nations fall victim to Mationland aggression. Limitations on their military capability are the best way of achieving this aim. Were it not for the timely intervention of the international community, an extremely bloody conflict could have resulted, and we do not believe that Mationland should ever be allowed into a position it can once again mount a war of aggression.

Official Statement
"'International Community'? You act like you are speaking for all of us."
End Message

We are willing to accept your surrender. However we do have concerns about the conduct of your nation, and feel that in order to prevent any possible repetition of this kind of conflict.


Reparations to be paid to all the victims of Mationland's aggression, to help repair our war-ravaged economies
Mationland will no longer be allowed to possess chemical, nuclear or biological weapons
Mationland will no longer be allowed to possess any warships above 10,000 tons
Mationland will no longer be allowed to possess any missile or other autonomous aircraft capable of flying more than 650km
Mationland will no longer be allowed to possess any aircraft with a range greater than 1000km
Mationland will not be allowed to have an army of greater than 100,000 troops
Mationland will renounce all claims of sovereignty over waters more than 12 nautical miles from it's coastline
Mationland will not be allowed to develop or deploy any weaponry in space
An independant tribunal be set up to investigate possible warcrimes committed by the civillian and military leadership of Mationland. Mationland shall cooperate fully with this tribunal.
A joint taskforce, which will include representatives of all the victorious parties, as well as any other interested parties, will be created to ensure that the terms of this surrender are complied with.


Of course, this list is not comprehensive, and we invite the other victorious parties to add to this list any conditions they feel would be appropriate.

Mationland agrees to some but not all of the terms of surrender . Take note that if Shildonia is unhappy about this and refuses to make a peace treaty , Mationland will have no choice but to continue war with more allies this time . There are reasons why Mationland doesn't agree to all , firstly , not a shot was fired , so , why do we need to pay for "damages" ? Secondly , Mationland needs an army to enhance its security because we are currently faced by threats by Gardenburg .

Here are the terms that we accept and some additional info :
-Reparations to be paid to all the victims of Mationland's aggression (Refers only to the families of the dead sailors , 1 USD Million will be paid to each family)
-Mationland will renounce all claims of sovereignty over waters more than 12 nautical miles from it's coastline (this will be changed to 15 nautical miles instead of 30)


Here are the terms which Mationland refuses to comply to :
-Mationland will no longer be allowed to possess chemical, nuclear or biological weapons
-Mationland will no longer be allowed to possess any warships above 10,000 tons
-Mationland will no longer be allowed to possess any missile or other autonomous aircraft capable of flying more than 650km
-Mationland will no longer be allowed to possess any aircraft with a range greater than 1000km
-Mationland will not be allowed to have an army of greater than 100,000 troops
-Mationland will not be allowed to develop or deploy any weaponry in space
An independant tribunal be set up to investigate possible warcrimes committed by the civillian and military leadership of Mationland. Mationland shall cooperate fully with this tribunal.
A joint taskforce, which will include representatives of all the victorious parties, as well as any other interested parties, will be created to ensure that the terms of this surrender are complied with.

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If Shildonia refuses to accept the terms that Mationland has applied to its policy , Mationland will have no choice but to reject all policies proposed by Shildonia and ready itself for War if Shildonia declares it .
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The Republic of Legionaire views the justification for war laughable but nevertheless, will be sending a Carrier group to the region

After due consideration of the terms and after seeing the sheer amount of sea going traffic of heavy ships such as the carrier The repulblic kindly deployed. We have noted that the Carrier of the Republic strayed into our waters after due discusion from the Joint cheifs of spine and due to the above post Not being removed from the surface of the "impending War" We as Hedgehogs feel our duty to deploy the aircraft carrier Nimitz and the surface raiders north atlantic Fleet together with the 4th and 203rd strategic bomb command to the area on recon as purely precautionary measures the 213th Hell Hogs squadron has been flown from aquitiri to " assist in diplomatic relations" with the "repulblic" as of today at 09:40 hrs Zulu Time the enlisted men of the holy Hedgehog are moved to a state of alert .. not seen since the effects of the holy handgrenade !! You force our hand says Minister for War and hygene Mr Spikewold And We retailiate with the oldest line in the rule book, that which no one can refute, The best defence is a good offence There fore political notions dictate we deploy to ensure our victory of freedom for the Holy Hedgehogs

Peace through superior firepower !!Make no Mistake Gentle men This hedge hog bites .. !!

We cannot comment on whether the level of damages is acceptable, as it was MSN World that bore the brunt of your aggression, and so it would be best for their government to determine what is and is not acceptable. We would recomend that an offer be made to recompsense the value of the ship that was unlawfully sunk in international waters.
We will not accept any territorial claims beyond 12 nautical miles. On this there can be no flexibility. As a member of the United Nations your government is subject to Resolution #74, Article 1 of which prohibits claims of waters more than 20km from the coast. By refusing to comply you are in breach of international law, which is in itself a casus beli.
On that note, Resolution #16 already prohibits the possesion of biological weapons, and the current proposal will, if passed, ban chemical weapons, and so those constraints simply restate an existing obligation.
The other limitations on your armed forces are intended to remove an offensive capability. In this way your right to self defence will not be compromised, but equally there will be way for you to threaten your neighbours in the way that has been seen over the past days and weeks.

The Republic of Legionaire views the justification for war laughable but nevertheless, will be sending a Carrier group to the region

After due consideration of the terms and after seeing the sheer amount of sea going traffic of heavy ships such as the carrier The repulblic kindly deployed. We have noted that the Carrier of the Republic strayed into our waters after due discusion from the Joint cheifs of spine and due to the above post Not being removed from the surface of the "impending War" We as Hedgehogs feel our duty to deploy the aircraft carrier Nimitz and the surface raiders north atlantic Fleet together with the 4th and 203rd strategic bomb command to the area on recon as purely precautionary measures the 213th Hell Hogs squadron has been flown from aquitiri to " assist in diplomatic relations" with the "repulblic" as of today at 09:40 hrs Zulu Time the enlisted men of the holy Hedgehog are moved to a state of alert .. not seen since the effects of the holy handgrenade !! You force our hand says Minister for War and hygene Mr Spikewold And We retailiate with the oldest line in the rule book, that which no one can refute, The best defence is a good offence There fore political notions dictate we deploy to ensure our victory of freedom for the Holy Hedgehogs

Peace through superior firepower !!Make no Mistake Gentle men This hedge hog bites .. !!

As of this stage , Mationland does not understand your intentions . But let us warn you , if this concerns either disrupting peace between Shildonia and Mationland or interfereing with our nation's sovereignity , we will have no qualms about eliminating this minor threat posed . As you know , my army is much larger than yours .
Therefore , we suggst you pull out your fleet before this matter escalates into a fight/war . There is a exception though .

exception : if you are assisting us , we warmly welcome you .
One question : You are still a n00b , how can you have Nitmitz Carriers , which I know are part of the US Navy , you are NOTHING compared to them ...
You may have battleships/frigates/cruisers , but definately not carriers or subs . Even my country (in real life) , which has a population 0f 4 million and quite rich among our regional neighbors (SE Asia) has subs but NO carriers !

Regards ,
Mationland Defence Ministry

We cannot comment on whether the level of damages is acceptable, as it was MSN World that bore the brunt of your aggression, and so it would be best for their government to determine what is and is not acceptable. We would recomend that an offer be made to recompsense the value of the ship that was unlawfully sunk in international waters.
We will not accept any territorial claims beyond 12 nautical miles. On this there can be no flexibility. As a member of the United Nations your government is subject to Resolution #74, Article 1 of which prohibits claims of waters more than 20km from the coast. By refusing to comply you are in breach of international law, which is in itself a casus beli.
On that note, Resolution #16 already prohibits the possesion of biological weapons, and the current proposal will, if passed, ban chemical weapons, and so those constraints simply restate an existing obligation.
The other limitations on your armed forces are intended to remove an offensive capability. In this way your right to self defence will not be compromised, but equally there will be way for you to threaten your neighbours in the way that has been seen over the past days and weeks.

-Mationland has already compensated Msn World for the value of the old piec of junk (it is a old old warship) .
-Mationland will stand firm on its 15nm territory from the coastline .
-Mationland will also stand firm on possesing and building nuclear/biological/chemical weapons wether there is or isn't a UN . If you want to ban us from having WAMDs , you should set an example too since you also posess Nuclear Warheads or in short WAMDs .

Mationland

"I sternly advise Shildonia against it's current course of action. There is no justification or warrant for the irational terms being imposed. With the full authority of the Republic I demand that ALL terms be removed from the table immediatly"

Senator Ivona Cuvalo
Minister for National Defence
Minister for Internal Affairs

"I sternly advise Shildonia against it's current course of action. There is no justification or warrant for the irational terms being imposed. With the full authority of the Republic I demand that ALL terms be removed from the table immediatly"

Senator Ivona Cuvalo
Minister for National Defence
Minister for Internal Affairs

Mationland fully backs Rotovia . Mationland's allies and CSN nations have also pledged support if war breaks out . Meanwhile , Rotovia , would you like to be our ally ?

Regards ,
Mationland Foreign Ministry

At the very least we wish for you to fulfil your obligations under international law. By choosing to join the United Nations, you chose to accept to follow international law. If you are not willing to do so you must accept that there are consequences.
While the People's Republic does possess a nuclear deterrent, we do not stand in flagrant violation of international law, and we have not attempted to wage aggressive war. Your nation has done these things, and many more, and as such should not be trusted with such capabilities.
We are prepared to be lenient, and to allow you to possess an army of whichever size you wish. However to balance this we must insist that your nation comply with its obligations under international law, and that it give up nuclear weapons.

We would also wish to inform the government of Rotovia that the People's Republic has been the victim of a war of aggression. We merely wish to ensure that Mationland never again has the capability to wage war in this way. We wish only to ensure our national survival in the face of such unwarranted aggression from a nation with no respect for the rule of law.

At the very least we wish for you to fulfil your obligations under international law. By choosing to join the United Nations, you chose to accept to follow international law. If you are not willing to do so you must accept that there are consequences.
While the People's Republic does possess a nuclear deterrent, we do not stand in flagrant violation of international law, and we have not attempted to wage aggressive war. Your nation has done these things, and many more, and as such should not be trusted with such capabilities.
We are prepared to be lenient, and to allow you to possess an army of whichever size you wish. However to balance this we must insist that your nation comply with its obligations under international law, and that it give up nuclear weapons.

We would also wish to inform the government of Rotovia that the People's Republic has been the victim of a war of aggression. We merely wish to ensure that Mationland never again has the capability to wage war in this way. We wish only to ensure our national survival in the face of such unwarranted aggression from a nation with no respect for the rule of law.

Rotovia , this claim made by Shildonia is totally baseless and nonsensical . Mationland strongly encourages you to stand firm on your judegement . What this Shildonia is doing is simply a case of bullying the smaller and weaker nations , but the nations that are RICHER and have higher technology than them .
We Mationland pledge to assist you (Rotovia) if Shildonia ever dares to provoke you if you are our ally and stick firm to your judgement . Mationland's allies have also pledged to support Mationland in war . All CSN Nations have also pledged so . Mationland hereby cordially invites you to join the CSN (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=423262) .
Mationland has a right to posess nuclear arms as a deterrent against Gardenburg from invading us .
Shildonia is simply finding a reason to remove our nuclear power status because it wants to be the sole super-power of the world , just like the US . This will not be tolerated by the Armed Republic . The Armed Republic , in this case , is a victim of Shildonia's bullying and selfishness . This is an act of terrorism and must be condemned .

Regards ,
Mationland Government

Mationland fully backs Rotovia . Mationland's allies and CSN nations have also pledged support if war breaks out . Meanwhile , Rotovia , would you like to be our ally ?

Regards ,
Mationland Foreign Ministry
"My government would be more than interested in sitting down to begin talks to draw up an alliance aggreement between our nations. A Non-Aggression Pact will be telegramed to your nation shortly"

Sir Charles Wheeler
Minister for Foreign Affairs

At the very least we wish for you to fulfil your obligations under international law. By choosing to join the United Nations, you chose to accept to follow international law. If you are not willing to do so you must accept that there are consequences.
While the People's Republic does possess a nuclear deterrent, we do not stand in flagrant violation of international law, and we have not attempted to wage aggressive war. Your nation has done these things, and many more, and as such should not be trusted with such capabilities.
We are prepared to be lenient, and to allow you to possess an army of whichever size you wish. However to balance this we must insist that your nation comply with its obligations under international law, and that it give up nuclear weapons.

We would also wish to inform the government of Rotovia that the People's Republic has been the victim of a war of aggression. We merely wish to ensure that Mationland never again has the capability to wage war in this way. We wish only to ensure our national survival in the face of such unwarranted aggression from a nation with no respect for the rule of law.
"Understand that the Constitutional Republic of Rotovia has stood again and again for the defence of smaller nations against unwarrented aggression and harrasment.

To impose the conditions you listed is unacceptable and intolerable in the eyes of government and is not nessacary for the interests of global security.

The establishment of a NAP (Non-Aggression Pact) will ensure that Rotovia is not at risk and ergo any territories under it's protection. This said there remains no justification for your statements and our conditions stand.

Withdraw your request, immediatly"

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Official Government Response
The Dracun Imperium does not and will not recognize the treaty in which Shildonia is trying to impose onto Mationland. It is to put it quite simply for lack of a better word, retarded. All the limitations and reparations for a war that never happened would not only possibly cripple Mationland's economy but leave the defense of the country in shambles.

If you haven't noticed lately Shildonia, no one recognizes any rules but their own. There is no set codes anymore, those died a long time ago. The UN even by its members is hardly recognized as rule maker and rule keeper. So therefore any argument you may have is crushed.

We demand that this treaty be withdrawn, and a new more sensible treaty be drawn up.



~Chancellor Tinverian

Official Government Response
The Dracun Imperium does not and will not recognize the treaty in which Shildonia is trying to impose onto Mationland. It is to put it quite simply for lack of a better word, retarded. All the limitations and reparations for a war that never happened would not only possibly cripple Mationland's economy but leave the defense of the country in shambles.

If you haven't noticed lately Shildonia, no one recognizes any rules but their own. There is no set codes anymore, those died a long time ago. The UN even by its members is hardly recognized as rule maker and rule keeper. So therefore any argument you may have is crushed.

We demand that this treaty be withdrawn, and a new more sensible treaty be drawn up.



~Chancellor Tinverian

Mationland fully agrees with Dracun imperium . This treaty that Shildonia has set will cripple our econmic and military status . Its attempt to rob us for these two key factors that keep us alive and our status as a nuclear state is simply a case to selfishness , bullying , destroying other nations and keeping itself as a lone super-power . This will not be tolerated by Mationland . Meanwhile , Mationland is interested for a alliance and embassy exchange with Dracun imperium .

Regards ,
Mationland Foreign Ministry

seeing the rain we take our dingy and return to shore witha job well done the nine hedgehogs rowing are given medals and the air arms that where piloted by the handgliding section of our community are given a hearty cheer fro their acts of bravery over water .. before returning to the caves to make good our tales of daring and heroism

terams are set to repaint the dingy witha new name as this one gets a bit susspect .. and the words Aircraft carrier Nimitz are covered with the words Alfs fishing dingy the craft is duely returned to a "neighbour " who let us borrow it without actually knowing we had as a direct result we leave a present of fresh fish in the starbord locker. before retreating at speed


No hedgehogs where harmed during this excersise ..

we suggst you pull out your fleet before this matter escalates into a fight/war . There is a exception though .

exception : if you are assisting us , we warmly welcome you .
One question : You are still a n00b , how can you have Nitmitz Carriers , which I know are part of the US Navy , you are NOTHING compared to them ...
You may have battleships/frigates/cruisers , but definately not carriers or subs . Even my country (in real life) , which has a population 0f 4 million and quite rich among our regional neighbors (SE Asia) has subs but NO carriers !

Regards ,
Mationland Defence Ministry

Telex reply..

After carefull consideration<STOP> We have decided to address your concerns<STOP><We have no quarrel with the following nations <STOP> Mationland, Shildonia ,Nascent,Brydog,Kuehenberg,Dracun imperiumor Rotovia- <STOP> Our excercise was designed to mirror the actions of The Republic of Legionaire after their deployment to the waters<STOP> to Other buisness <STOP> You say :You are still a n00b , how can you have Nitmitz Carriers <STOP> we reply: to you an aircraft carrier is a great big grey thing that floats and launches planes to Us its a dingy with handgliders.. <STOP> consider your size to that of a hedgehog!! <STOP>YOU SAY:Nitmitz Carriers , which I know are part of the US Navy , you are NOTHING compared to them ...<STOP> I refer the right honourable Person to the answer I gave some moments ago<STOP> EXCEPTIONS to This : HMS ARK ROYAL HMS ILLUSTRIOUS HMS INVINCIBLE <<all time served all part of three Wars and over two hundred "conflicts" collectively <STOP> You say :You may have battleships/frigates/cruisers , but definately not carriers or subs .<STOP> We Say : We refer the right honourable Gentleperson the scale and size of Hedgehogs to Human ratio and advise the Right honourable Gentleperson on the facts and evidence already supplied!!Human 5 to 6 ft hedgehog 6 to 9 hog 6 to 22 inches<STOP>You Say: Even my country (in real life) , which has a population 0f 4 million and quite rich among our regional neighbors (SE Asia) has subs but NO carriers !<STOP> I say : The British Navy Need I say More? <STOP> We expect an shipment of Mint Choc Chip Ice cream by the end of 24 hours or we may yet see war in our time<STOP>Good Luck with your endeavour wit outher nations<STOP> Be warey of Hedgehogs We Bite <STOP> <Message Ends>

occ: I sent a fleet because of the instability of the region.