NationStates Jolt Archive

Due to the rising fear of terrorists and other dangerous people the Neoman scientists in a think tank have a proposition.

A national ID card. kind of like a pass port but more technical and it works in you home country.

Think of it, you going on a plane, you and your luggage has been checked and now you need to register just insert your NIC (National ID Card) in to a slot with two lights a green light and a red light. if your cleared to pass the green light will come on, and if your not the red light will come on. then if the red light comes on a security guard will collect you and take you to the police to work it out, NOTICE: you wouldn't be arrested for getting the red light.

It could be used for many things. Trains, government buildings, other high security areas. And you could basically put a NICP (National IS card processor) anywhere and any government could put people on it, its approved by the council (one Representative for each country that uses it)

But if you think of it, it could stop people fleeing the country to get out of going to court, it could stop terrorists if there on the list.

but think of it you on the interstate and you need to pay a toll. all you need to do is whip out you NIC and place it in the machine and it will send you a bill and if you don't pay the bill it will lock you out of the highway basically insuring you have to pay for it

We think the card should be about the same size as a drivers license but have your picture DOB what city and country your from. and for security purposes it should have you finger print.

the finger print is for double security, like say you were going into the white house, you would need to place you NIC in the slot and place the same figurer you used for the NIC finger print in a finger scanner to insure you who you say you are.

But for the card to work it would have to verify but not identify.

sounds good 2 me

Our intelligence agency, MICA, had suggeted the same thing a long time ago.

We're still setting it up.

The idea is good but an ID card wont stop a crminal from taking his car and fleeing the country or a terrorist placing a bomb in a car and blowing it up in a public area.
There are RL nations that are working with electronic ID cards, but not for accessing building (may come sooner or later). For such things i'd use a seperate card for those who are permitted to go in said buildings. You never know who will tamper with the ID card to get acces somewhere (Spies?)

yes but if someone is trying to flee the country they will need to use a interstate highway yes?

say thats actually a good idea, have different class of NICs

Well, the MICA folks are having a 12 story building built, and one of the things that's being put in it is a command center for this sort of thing.

If anyone tries to rewrite their card, a few of the RMPF's will be there.

yes but if someone is trying to flee the country they will need to use a interstate highway yes?

say thats actually a good idea, have different class of NICs

Maybe they will use a smaller road. In case of an island, and most nations here are islands (remember; all the Pacifics) a criminal would take a boat and that boat doesnt have to be in a port either.

true but if we get enough nations involved someday they will either need to use a NICP and get tagged or they will be picked up in a raid

Generally, on paper, it seems a good idea with effective decreases in crime, terrorism and trespassing etc. But in practice an identity card scheme is difficult to implement.

You need measures in place to ensure that only your citizens recieve them and that no unauthorised person can apply for one. Also you need a system to update the photograph on the card say every 5 years or so. How will you handle new births? Will a baby/child recieve a card. Photographs need updating more regularly on children as they change more quickly. How will you ensure that everyone recieves one of these cards? (not trying to flame or anything, just a random assortment of ideas to consider)

Then theres the political implications, many people will see this as a violation of their human rights and will object to compulsory ID cards. They tried to introduce something similar here in the UK but it got shot down in flames before it was even voted on (I think???).

Don't take this the wrong way, i'm not trying to start an arguement but just showing some of the consequences of the scheme and how that in theory it's a brilliant idea that could completely eliminate terrorism and other crimes but has other considerations to take into account.

Official Statement From Red Tide
"What you are proposing is the same as a passport and has the same flaw... criminals and terrorists(especially skilled ones) can make fake 'National ID Cards', thus allowing them to essentially bluff their way past the machine. They do the same thing with passports."
End Message

Master Tan like this idea, it will mean that he will be better able to keep tabs on his populus, whilst also lowering crime rates.

true but if we get enough nations involved someday they will either need to use a NICP and get tagged or they will be picked up in a raid

Correct but to get all RPed nations into it you'd need to convince hundreds of people of your idea. Brits dont like it as you see and they make up a large proposrtion of the RP community. If you think about convincing all NS nations then have fun, there are 120.000.
Next, those nations have to arrest and hand over said criminal. there are many dictatorial nations here who have their own ways.
It would help alot in decreasing crime and such so its not a lost cause.

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Well, you dont give a card to a child below 12, you just register them and get them one when they are 12. Then you replace them every 5 years. You simply make certain services 'Electronical ID card only' so people will actually want or need one.
The Electronic card has already been introduced here in Belgium, is replaced the old id card and has never been seen as a violation of Human rights. In fact, the Id card and its electronical cousin allow us to pick up political and economic refugees without papers and thropw them out. If such a refugee reaches the UK, you can no longer do that since you cant check where he comes from and what he is doing in your nation. These refugees could just get an International passport and become citizens without problems.

Security is a problem, thats why different cards for different access is preffered

Official Statement From Red Tide
"What you are proposing is the same as a passport and has the same flaw... criminals and terrorists(especially skilled ones) can make fake 'National ID Cards', thus allowing them to essentially bluff their way past the machine. They do the same thing with passports."
End Message

but the card wont be just a peice of paper, it will be electronic useing codes and possiblie useing an ink that if the caseing is pulled apart the ink will explode ruining everything inside.

Security is a problem, thats why different cards for different access is preffered

i agree

but the card wont be just a peice of paper, it will be electronic useing codes and possiblie useing an ink that if the caseing is pulled apart the ink will explode ruining everything inside.

Official Statement
"We fail to see HOW that will stop someone from MAKING a fake card."
End Statement

but the card wont be just a peice of paper, it will be electronic useing codes and possiblie useing an ink that if the caseing is pulled apart the ink will explode ruining everything inside.

Gee that's a great idea for stopping terrorism. Simply issue everyone in the country a small portable explosive device. I can't imagine why anyone has never had such an excellent idea before.
I salute your genius, and move that you be elevated to the status of god for your services to mankind.

Gee that's a great idea for stopping terrorism. Simply issue everyone in the country a small portable explosive device. I can't imagine why anyone has never had such an excellent idea before.
I salute your genius, and move that you be elevated to the status of god for your services to mankind.

im talking like half of a fire cracker