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The Silver Sky Releases the M-125A2 Freedom MBT (Massive updates)

The Silver Sky
10-06-2005, 06:42
M-125A2 Freedom MBT - The Silver Sky’s Next Generation MBT

History: The Freedom MBT started out as the XM-125 MBT, The Silver Sky contacted many nations (Space Union, Pushka, Credonia, and the Soviet Bloc) and many other nations who joined in. (MassPwnage, The Macabees, Duke Barol, GMC Military Arms, and others). The Silver Sky wanted an easily mass-produced MBT that could rival the ST-29 and the T-125, we came up with this, The M-125A1 Freedom MBT, we believe it to be superior to the T-125 in armor (Seeing that Buckyballs don’t bond to shit (Quoted from The Macabees), it also gets rid of many needless energy drainers, and is easily to replace/repair in the field, unlike the T-125 the M-125 does not require the tank crew members to be Engineering graduates. Under the opinion of the nations of Space Union and The Macabees, the M-125 has greater performance then the T-125 in almost every area.

M-125A2:
The M-125A2 is a most needed massive update seeing as the A1 failed to live up to the standards set for it, it includes a totally new turret, new secondary weapons, and a totally reworked electronic system.

Front View (http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y10/68157Silver/Hopefully_the_final_one3.jpg)
Rear View (http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y10/68157Silver/Hopefully_the_final_one4.jpg)
Right Side View (http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y10/68157Silver/Hopefully_the_final_one1.jpg)
Left Side View (http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y10/68157Silver/Hopefully_the_final_one2.jpg)
View with RTMLS in down position (http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y10/68157Silver/Hopefully_the_final_one5.jpg)

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Weapons:
Main Weapon:
The XM-125A1 Freedom uses 140mm ETC smoothbore cannon With the 140mm ETC cannon the projectile is loaded into the barrel, behind which there is a "propellant", which is a dot of light metal (solid or liquid). A powerful electromagnetic force is applied to the metal, which causes its atoms to "switch" directions. This happens so violently that the metal turns to plasma, and this expanding gas then drives the projectile forward. The cannon is also equipped with a Rail-Assist system, it consist of two parallel copper rails that are magnetically charged opposite of each other (One is + the other is -) in order to reduce wear on the rails the round never actually touches the rails and is magnetically charge by the ETC reaction instead of buy the rails, the result is vastly improved velocities of close to 8km/s and in order to give the round a rifling affect (improved range and accuracy) the rails rotate around the barrel causing the round to also rotate, the only problem is that since copper is not a superconductor it can not take the magnetic stress and requires it to be replaced every 400 rounds. And in order to fire HEAT rounds and ATGMs without messing up the wiring the rounds are coated in a 3mm layer of plastic and a 2mm layer of metal. (The metal gets magnetized and the plastic keeps the magnetic/electric effects from messing with the rounds, both the rubber and the metal are stripped off in flight.
Since the cannon is built into a turret; it can rotate 360-degrees and can aim upwards 30 degrees and -9 degrees. Around the firing mechanism and the barrel is enclosed in the Heat-absorbing and dissipating shroud which absorbs the heat and dissipates it over a wide area. This cannon can easily destroy most main battle tanks at ranges out to <5 miles with diminishing effects thereafter (less effective, less damage).
The cannon is stabilized on double axis and can fire on the move.

The Autoloader: The M-125A2 contains a perfected auto-loader. This autoloader does not require the cannon to be brought down to a horizontal position but instead follows the cannon up and uses a variable drive assembly system to load the shell into the cannon's chamber at any elevation. This auto-loader only has a ready-rack of about eight rounds which is then fed by a 'chain-link drive' to the ammunition storage compartment. Each time a shell is fired and one is loaded into the weapon, the armored partition (between the ammo storage compartment and interior of turret) opens, a hydraulic arm pushes the shell onto a 'plate' which then runs the shell to the auto-loader ready-rack. The auto-loader can also load a barrel-fired ATGM providing that a crew member put the weapon on the rack and designate its firing properties. This provides the tank with a theoretical firing rate of 30 rounds per minute, actual is around 12 rounds per minute.


Secondary weapons:
1x 15.5mm FN Heavy Machine Gun: with 2 ammo drums totaling 1,000 rounds mounted co-axle with main gun and can fire up to 750 RPM.

1x 30mm DREAD WEAPON SYSTEM: The primary second armament is a triple-barreled rotating 25mm cannon mounted in its own remote-controlled (by commander) mini-turret with its own thermal imager. The cannon is tied into the tank's 'Integral Fire Control Suite', which ties in all offensive/defensive systems into a centrally operated threat detection/targeting system. This allows the cannon to target anything the tank's main gun is tracking or targeting or anything that shows up on detection systems, meaning this cannon can target and annihilate anything seen on the thermal imagers, millimetric radar, LIDAR, LADAR, electro-optical, or low-light optical sensors. Now, this 30mm cannon isn't a conventional weapon as it’s a centrifuge-type weapon, as mentioned above. Instead of a conventional system, the 30mm cannon fires using a centrifuge-layout with the rotating barrel counter-rotating to the rotation of the centrifuge (therefore reducing wear on the barrel while stabilizing the rounds). The rounds fired are 25mm slugs with no propellant (safer, no noise, no muzzle flash) and are fired at firing rates reaching 120,000 rounds per minute (capable but not likely). The centrifuge's electrical motor is programmable to firing rates from 1000 rounds per minute and up and can program the velocities from 1500 feet per second all the way to 8000 feet per second. Can you say total target saturation? Not to mention the fact that each round exits the barrel only a 1/32nd of an inch behind the round in front of it meaning you fire a quick burst at a tank and you can maybe punch through its armor, imagine the effects on infantry fighting vehicles, light vehicles, helicopters, aircraft, and infantry? Ouch. The mini-turret is also connected to the active missile defense systems and can be used to target missiles, aircraft, or other enemy units (such as ATGM crews). (20,000 rounds of ammo)



1x 15.5mm machine gun: With its own secondary thermal imagers. This system was mainly designed for taking out close threats including infantry, helicopters, or other threats; it is mounted in its own mini-turret and can be controlled by either the gunner or the commander. (1000 rounds of ammo)

Long range disruption grenades: The grenade launchers on the tank are connected to all the warning and sensor systems. When the systems detect hostiles, grenades, such as smoke grenades, flashbangs, thermite grenades etc. are fired at the hostiles when the hostiles get within range or simply to mask the presence of the tank. The system consist of 10x 40mm Grenade Launcher racks with 6 grenades each mounted around the tank (60 total) (Can use HE, Smoke, and Thermite Grenades, it can also be used to fire off Chaff canisters and flares) The grenade launchers can be easily reloaded from the inside.

Side mounted Weapon Systems:
The M-125A2 gives the buyer the option of mounting different weapons pods/systems on mounts provided; here is a list of weapons.

.50 MG (AA)
Any higher-caliber AA Cannons (up to two on each side)
ATGM missiles
ATGM missile pods
LOSAT (Line of Sight-Anti-Tank)-tubes
Unguided rocket pods
SAM Missile Pods
Sensor equipment
Communications equipment


Rear Turret Missile Launching System:
The RTMLS is a bank of weaponry that can be mounted on the rear of the turret. The foremost of these systems is the RTML-02A missile launch system. The system includes an armored 'bank' of 8 laser-guided munitions. The bank is hydraulically lifted or tilted (its default setting is tilted at a 30 degree angle). If a target is chosen, the gunner illuminates a target with a laser or infrared beacon and fires a missile. The missile locks onto the infrared beacon (which can be set at a certain infrared wavelength or laser and maneuvers toward the target, even being able to change course (assuming target is far enough away). The ATGMs fired are a variant of the buyer’s choice. The laser designators and infrared beacons are located on two small rotating turrets that can be used together or independently to target two different vehicles (commander targeting one, gunner targeting the other) and firing two missiles at the same time. (The RTMLS also can be laid flat inside the turret due to an indention made for it)
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Electronics:
[U]AN/VLQ-10 Warlock Green/Warlock Red Shortstop Electronic Protection System (SEPS): (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/an-vlq-9.htm) Can prematurely detonate incoming artillery rounds and missiles to help protect the tank and surrounding troops and vehicles. It has about 90+% Effectiveness in incoming shells (6+inches) and missiles. It can also detonate nearby stores of enemy ammo and suicide bombers.

Onboard Computer System: Consist of a small supercomputer and compiles all data in an easy to process form in order for the tank crew to react more intuitively

Omni-Directional panoramic Tank Cameras: 5 Omni-Directional panoramic Tank Cameras mounted around the tank (2 on each side and one in the back): The system uses a patent pending omni-directional optics which provides continuous coverage of a 360 degrees field of view without rotation mechanism, and provides the entire vehicle's crew with real-time awareness of the vehicle's surroundings and potential threats outside the vehicle. It is equipped with a video motion detector that can be programmed to selected areas of interest, providing real-time alerts. The system utilizes a high resolution digital camera mounted on masts placed on the upper turret. The system feeds the processed images to the computerized display which is installed in the tank. Also is equipped with a thermal/infa-red sight.
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SYSTEMS:

Without fire control systems, a tank is nothing the M-124A2 has an abundance of inter-connected fire control systems, all working together to make this tank the most advanced tank in the world.

Integral Fire Control System- This system is a series of infrared, IRST, millimetric wave radars, and flat panel directive wave radar systems designed to give the commander an all-around view of the tank and anything within its viewing range. The system utilizes these modes of detection located in many different 'banks' of sensors which are usually armor protected. The system is connected to a threat identification computer as well as a fire control computer giving the commander and gunner the ability to fire on targets while watching targets on the sides and rear (which can be miles away but being detected using another tank's sensors) and even fire on those targets using ATGMs or firing the cannon in a way resembling artillery. This system also works in conjunction with the close in defense systems.

TSS-AFCTS-09 Mk.I: Tracks up to 100 enemies and ranks them according to range, heading, threat level, and tank-type to provide best possible firing solution. Also computes MOA, wind, distance, weather, gravity, potential air resistance, MOA, shell ballistics and the nature/speed of the given target and other variables and automatically sets turret and barrel to correct heading (when this feature is engaged) and can fire on up to two targets simultaneously (assuming ATGM’s are on their respectable fittings). Also tracks and targets enemy targets at up to 500 ft. altitude and up to 30 miles away (Depending on weather conditions, terrain, and other factors).

TSS-FOTMS-04: The barrel will always remain aimed at target while tank is in motion and will not waiver even over small hills, dips, bumps, and other obstructions. The barrel will always target enemy unit unless commander targets a new target or disengages system. The SS-FOTM-04 system will continually track all targets and align barrel to fire on the target even if the target is on the move, the barrel will constantly update and move with the target while computing wind, weather, and MOA abilities for the best possible accuracy. The barrel will move on two different axis'. The commander's station is outfitted with night vision capabilities, infrared capabilities, radar tracking capabilities (if an EW, radar aircraft, or radar station is near and able to send information), and advanced targeting systems. The commander's station is also outfitted with a periscope with night vision, infrared capabilities, and a computerized screen to locate targets if they are obscured. Coupled with this system is the ALRS (Advanced Laser Range-Finder System) which utilizes a laser rangefinder with a triple layer screen with crystals at different angles to scatter any enemy lasers that are attempting to disable the rangefinder. The rangefinder laser passes through a roughly 3mm hole in the screen.

TSS-MWR-01- Millimetric wave radar

TSS-LRS-05- Joint LIDAR/LADAR system with emitters, receivers, and central processing unit.

Digital Imaging System: 5 digital cameras mounted in front of the driver’s position that work together to create a digital picture of the battlefield. It is useful because it allows the driver to drive without opening a big hole in the glacis for enemies to shoot into.

Shtora-3 defense suite: Scrambles enemy laser rangefinder, making it nearly impossible for enemy tank to fire, unless they guess the range. Also scrambles enemy communications systems and tracking systems. Also interferes with enemy laser-based systems and laser-type weapons by using a controlled beam of ultraviolet rays to scatter the laser (communications systems, weapons systems, rangefinder systems) and alter the read out [since combining different wavelengths of light alters the actual wavelength, producing a wavelength the sender unit cannot turn into useable data).

FNCDETMS-01: Shares target information with other friendly tanks in the field along with other information, also allows friendly tanks in large numbers to make coordinated attacks through out the battlefield. Also allows friendly tanks to instantly reorganize into new squadrons and divisions for new assaults and relays all information back to command. This system also checks in every 2 minutes (or shorter; can be adjusted) with GPS and military satellites to update terrain and enemy movements. Also takes updated information and relays it to the commander's screen which displays all friendly tanks, enemy tanks, standing orders, enemy formations, buildings, objects, and other environmental objects.
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Armor:
The M-125A2’s armor is nearly impenetrable. It stops every type of round imaginable, from KE rounds, to HEAT rounds. It’s psychologically satisfying to serve in a tank designed with the safety of the crew specifically in mind, as told from test crews.

Overriding armored layer - two layers of Kontackt-5 ERA bricks (RHA value of 2000mm against HEAT and 600mm against KE) The 2 layers of ERA are used to render all Dual-stage and most Tri-stage HEAT rounds useless and it also hampers KE projectile by slicing and or disfiguring the projectile or turning it on at an angle to decrease it’s effectiveness.

2nd Layer - 20mm of AMAP (Advanced MEXAS) (800mm of RHA armored value against HEAT and 200mm against KE)

3rd Layer - Chobham Composite armor (mixed layers/fibers of plastic, ceramics, titanium boride, depleted uranium, etc) (600mm RHA against KE, and 1200mm against HEAT)

4th Layer - Ceramics and titanium boride (400mm RHA against KE, and 600mm against HEAT)

5th Layer - A titanium/tungsten honeycomb matrix to further absorb impact, and a thick sheet of boronated plasti-steel to absorb radiation (RHA is 200mm vs. KE and 500mm vs. HEAT).

Last Layer - Anti-Spall Liner (thick spectra/fracture proof polymer resin sheeting on the inside to prevent internal armor from fracturing and flying around.)
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Masking Systems:
Infrared masking system: A series of high specific heat engine/gun liners, and excellent heat sinks reduce the infrared signature of the tank.

Radar masking system: The paint soaks up radar, along with the outer most layer of armor which is made of types of RAM.

Electrical discharge masking system: A system that controls and minimizes excess electricity, while storing waste electricity and heat in extra batteries and the compulsator, also reclaims some energy from the ETC cannon.

Sound masking system: The engine is surrounded by materials that reduce the sound emitted from the engine and the entire tank is painted in a classified material called Quiet Sound received from Space Union, the entire system reduces sound emissions by 15 decibels.
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Engine: (The engine is no bigger then the diesel turbine used on the M1 Abrams, the engine is also mounted towards the front)
The engine is a diesel-electric hybrid rotary engine capable of making 2400hp (more like 2200hp in combat). The engine can be set to run in many different ways. The primary method of operation is that only part of the of diesel runs the tank, while another part charges the batteries. If the tank needs to get somewhere fast, both the batteries and the diesel are engaged at once. Also, only the batteries can be engaged. While battery only drive is engaged the tank is completely silent. Operation modes can be chosen by the driver automatically or manually. The entire engine system is cooled by several efficient heat sinks and a liquid cooled radiator with a self sealing tank (to prevent liquid spillage) and is cordoned off from the rest of the tank by armored bulkheads that prevent fuel/engine explosions from killing the crew. The engine also includes a powerful compulsator to hard line power to the batteries and the tanks electronics.
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Transmission:
The transmission is a proven automatic hydraulic transmission (with a manual back-up), this allows for a very good easily replaceable transmission without the complexity of an electrostatic transmission.

Suspension:
The suspension is a tried and true Hydraulic suspension system, with a mechanical back-up; this keeps the cost of repair and manufacturing down to a minimum while still retaining a very good suspension system.

Track/Wheels:
The new wheel and track system combines some old, proven technology with new and revolutionary technology. The tracks are double pinned, heavy duty, landmine resistant, high traction pieces of equipment that are resistant to many of the dangers faced by tank tracks on previous generation tanks. The wheels are also reinforced, to prevent breakage.

The first layer is made up of metal, with a pin in the center. Attached to each of the pins is a panel of the 2nd layer of track, which is constituted out of a heat and concussion resistant, high impact, yet flexible high grip polymer. The 2nd layer and the pins can easily be replaced if they are blown off in combat.

The wheels and roller components are hugely strengthened to prevent battle damage. The rollers and wheels are strengthened by high strength carbon fiber composites and tungsten carbide spokes running through them. They can resist fire from up to 30mm rounds and a several light anti-vehicle mines or one heavy anti-vehicle mine.
The tracks are wide enough to give maneuverability superior to the T-125.
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Other Notes:
The tank also has an energy reclamation system to reclaim power from the ETC and Rail assist when fired.

The main turret has blast resistant doors and storage containers for the ammo and blow-out panels to prevent HEAT rounds from detonating the ammo inside and killing the crew.

The secondary turret is manufactured separately from the main turret and then attached to than main turret during manufacturing. It’s powered via electric motors with a back up hydraulic system, this makes it easier to replace damaged secondary turrets and keeps HEAT and KE hits on the secondary turret from harming the crew below as the blast is vented up and out and allows for fast replacement of the turrets, and if you wanted you could send the tanks into battle without the secondary turret.

EMP Hardening System: A protection system against EMPs that protects the engine, the core computer systems, and the drive controls against EMPs. Also, there is an emergency EMP shutoff system to prevent EMPs from destroying peripherals.

NBC System NBCPS-1- This NBC system protects against nuclear, biological, and chemical threats as well as seal of the internal areas of the tanks from the outer environment, relying on an air recycling and cleaning unit to provide breathable oxygen to the tank's crew.

The M-125 maintains an enhanced frame, strengthened braces, low radar signature (due to absorbent materials coating outer layer of armor), low heat signature for survival systems.

Ergonomical features- Engine based heater (for winter), Central air cooling system or underside-opening vents for fresh air, heated seats, defoggers, dehumidifier (to reduce moisture in air and reduce condensation inside turret), low-noise fans, ergonomically-placed lights

Storage is present for the storage of up to three assault rifles and ammunition.

Modular Construction:

It’s been proven that the more advanced something gets, the more it breaks down or wears out. This cannot be helped as there are far too many things that can malfunction in a modern MBT. However, the M-125A2's designers took this to heart to create a modular tank that could be manufactured and repaired with ease. Each of the tanks's 'sub-systems' is totally independent of each other and in the event something on one system malfunctions it can be removed within minutes and replaced with out removal of the entire system (providing the correct logistical support is nearby). Its engine is mounted towards the front of the tank on a sliding mechanism that can slide out and stay suspended in the air (on its rails) and be serviced in that position. The engine compartment was designed to be pulled out with little assistance. Four men can accomplish it (or two if you have a forklift or similar device nearby). The engine itself is even modular, composed of nine distinct 'pieces' which can be easily removed and replaced. The suspension is its own sub-system as is the drive train. The transmission is its own subsystem composed of three modular sections. The turret can be removed with little effort to be repaired or to make engine easier to repair. The entirety of tank's electronics systems are easy to take out, repair and replace, as is every camera and targeting device in the tank.

The M-125A2 has an average complete repair time of 35 minutes, this includes the replacement of the transmission, drive-train, suspension, ERA, and the driver's and gunner's positions. This is only possible how ever if you have strong supply lines, if you have inadquate logistic support for an armored division of these tanks no amount of modularity can help you. But again this tank was designed with the ease of repair in mind.

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Stats:
Fuel capacity- 290 gallons (60 gallon reserve included)
Range- 550 miles(on fuel alone; does not include electrical power systems)

Speed: 48mph on-road, and 36mph off-road (both Governed, actually is above 52mph on road and 42 off)

Weight: 88 tons
Height: 3 meters, 3.5 meters if you count the antenna array
Width: 4 meters
Length: 12.5 meters

Crew- 3 (driver, gunner, commander)
Obstacle-transversal height: 1 meters

Max fording depth: 2 meters unprepared, 5.8 meters prepared (includes snorkel)

RHA values (Includes ERA which is constant all the way around the tank):
Front: 2,100mm vs. KE: 3,700mm vs. HEAT
Sides: 1,400mm vs. KE: 2,500mm vs. HEAT
Back (Remember it’s a forward mounted engine): 1000mm vs. KE: 1,800mm vs. HEAT

Manufacturing price: $10 million USD
Sale price: $14 million USD

Any nations that have purchased the M-124A1 may get their tanks upgraded to M-125A2 standard for $1 million USD per tank.
Calpe
10-06-2005, 07:36
The Imperial Army has expressed interest in acquiring this tank, to be used for the Praetorian Guards protecting the Emperor and the capital. This army is beeing created as we speak, and we would need the best tank for our elite shock troops. We have decided to award this contract to The Silver Sky, and acquire 1000 M-125A2 Freedom MBT`s for now. After the tank will be tested, we might buy a bigger number to equip other elements of the Imperial Army. The 14 billion $ will be wired as soon as we get confirmation.
The Silver Sky
10-06-2005, 15:16
To: Calpe
From: Steven H. Miller, Silver Sky National Arms
RE: Purchase

Your order for 1,000 M-125A2s for $14 Billion USD has been confirmed, production on your order has begun, it will take 6 months to produce the tanks need, they will be delivered in batched of 500 every 3 months, we hope they serve your are well.

Thank you and tell your allies,
[Signed]
Steven H. Milller
CEO of Silver Sky National Arms
The Silver Sky
10-06-2005, 17:14
*bump*
The Silver Sky
10-06-2005, 18:44
*bump*
The Silver Sky
10-06-2005, 19:54
*BUMP* Come one peole, comments are welcome!
MassPwnage
10-06-2005, 20:05
ooc: For fuck's sake man, DON'T RIP OFF OTHER DESIGNERS!!!!
And the thing's too light for the gun.
The Silver Sky
10-06-2005, 20:09
EDITED: And, I'm feeling like shit, I just got back from throwing up in the bathroom, I'm gonna be off line for a while.
The Silver Sky
11-06-2005, 04:00
*bump*
imported_Illior
11-06-2005, 04:08
OOC: just a question about ground clearance, from the picture, it gave me the impression that there was little ground clearance on the tank, which may become a problem, you might wanna look int that...
The Silver Sky
11-06-2005, 04:10
OOC: just a question about ground clearance, from the picture, it gave me the impression that there was little ground clearance on the tank, which may become a problem, you might wanna look int that...
OOC: It's the POV from the cameras, there's a good 2-3 feet of clearance, it's just that the ERA covers it a bit, especially from the POV of the camera.
The Silver Sky
11-06-2005, 05:27
*bump*
Omz222
11-06-2005, 05:48
OOC: Despite the fact that I have some other issues with this unit (though not too bad), I do have a problem with this:

Modular Construction:

It’s been proven that the more technologically advanced something gets, the more it breaks down. This cannot be helped as there are far too many things that can malfunction. However, the ST-29E1s designers took this to heart to create a modular tank. Each 'sub-system' is independent of each other and in the event something malfunctions it can be removed within minutes and replaced (providing the correct logistical support is nearby). [snip]

The average field service time for this tank (a complete field overhaul [in ASS's standards] is the replacement of the following: engine, transmission, drive-train, track system, ERA panels, and the driver compartment) is now at a record time: 36 minutes. [snip]

Is this a strange concidence, or are you just copying two complete paragraphs of text from Soviet Bloc's thread of his own product? No offense or anything, but copying whole lines of text from someone else's product does damage your credibility and reputation as an arms designer ICly and OOCly. So you might want to seriously reconsider.
The Silver Sky
11-06-2005, 05:50
OOC: Despite the fact that I have some other issues with this unit (though not too bad), I do have a problem with this:


Is this a strange concidence, or are you just copying two complete paragraphs of text from Soviet Bloc's thread of his own product? No offense or anything, but copying whole lines of text from someone else's product does damage your credibility and reputation as an arms design. So you might want to reconsider.
Soviet Bloc actually helped me design this tank and let me use alot of his stuff, that paragraph was almost exactly what I needed but it escaped editing, I'll fiz that.
Omz222
11-06-2005, 05:54
Soviet Bloc actually helped me design this tank and let me use alot of his stuff, that paragraph was almost exactly what I needed but it escaped editing, I'll fiz that.
OOC: Ah, if this is the case, then my humble apologies for the confusion, though I do believe that you could be somewhat more careful next time.
The Silver Sky
11-06-2005, 06:06
OOC: Ah, if this is the case, then my humble apologies for the confusion, though I do believe that you could be somewhat more careful next time.
OOC: Yeah, I will be, and it's been edited.
Freudotopia
11-06-2005, 07:06
On behalf of the Freudotopian Imperial Army (FIA), I would like to place an order for one (1) M-125A2 main battle tank. The total price is $14 million. Money will be wired automatically upon confirmation of purchase. Thank you for your business.

--Colonel Edgar Doolittle, Director of Procurement, FIA.
The Silver Sky
11-06-2005, 15:01
To: Colonel Edgar Doolittle, Director of Procurement, FIA.
From: Steven H. Miller, Silver Sky National Arms
RE: Purchase

Your order for One (1) M-125A2 Freedom MBT has been confirmed, work has already begun and you will receive it within Two (2) NS weeks (1 RL hour), we thank you for your purchase, we hope this tank will serve you well.

Thank you and come again,
[Signed]
Steven H. Miller
Silver Sky National Arms
Space Union
11-06-2005, 15:39
We would like to buy the production rights for the M-125A2 Freedom MBT. Thank You.

Signed,
Chief-of-Military,
Manjit
The Silver Sky
11-06-2005, 15:54
To: Manjit, Chief-of-Military, Space Union
From: Steven H. Miller, Silver Sky National Arms
RE: Order of Production Rights


We have confirmed your order for the production rights to the M-125A2, we will sell them for $7 Billion (7,000,000,000) USD, they will be sent as soon as the funds are received.

Thank you for your purchase,
[Signed]
Steven H. Miller
Silver Sky National Arms
The Silver Sky
11-06-2005, 18:48
*Baby got BUMP!*
The Silver Sky
12-06-2005, 02:18
*bump*
The Silver Sky
12-06-2005, 04:30
*bump*
Hyst
12-06-2005, 06:36
Hyst Military Aquisitions External Memo:

Hyst would like to hiave it's 4000 M125A1s seaviced for the cost of 4B, the pelimanary field test show the viecles to be extremely promicing.
Axis Nova
12-06-2005, 08:21
Yawn. And another ETC gun carrier debuts into II.

*wishes he'd see something more original once in a while*
The Silver Sky
12-06-2005, 17:01
Hyst Military Aquisitions External Memo:

Hyst would like to have it's 4000 M125A1s serviced for the cost of 4B, the prelimanary field test show the vehicles to be extremely promising.
[OOC: Let's just pretend I already got them]

IC:
To: Whom it may concern,
Hyst Military Aquisitions
From: Steven H. Miller
CEO of Silver Sky National Arms
RE: Refit

We will refit your M-125A1s to A2 standard for the $4 Billion USD you have sent, they will be shipped back to your in batches of 1000 every four (4) months, which you mean you'd have all your tanks updated in one (1) year and two (2) months, we thank you for chosing out Main Battle Tank, we hope you came back to buy more.

Thank you,
[Signed]
CEO Steven H. Miller
Silver Sky National Arms
The Silver Sky
12-06-2005, 18:55
*bump*
The Silver Sky
12-06-2005, 20:58
*bump*
The Silver Sky
13-06-2005, 01:41
*bump*
The Silver Sky
13-06-2005, 03:00
*bump*
The Silver Sky
13-06-2005, 05:03
*bump*
The Silver Sky
13-06-2005, 16:01
*bump*
The Silver Sky
13-06-2005, 18:13
*bump*
The Silver Sky
13-06-2005, 23:41
*bump*
The Silver Sky
11-07-2005, 19:11
Oops, forgot about this, hope no one minds if I *BUMP* this. :D
The Silver Sky
12-07-2005, 06:08
*bump*
The Silver Sky
12-07-2005, 14:46
*bump*
The Silver Sky
14-07-2005, 05:29
*bump* It Up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Silver Sky
14-07-2005, 21:00
*bump*
The Silver Sky
15-07-2005, 02:10
*bump*
USSNA
15-07-2005, 02:14
I'm sorry, but this tank is unreasonable. First off, the gun couldn't take out any modern NS tank at 8 miles out, let alone 5. The Armor is way to strong and too much armorment. If you want all of this, your looking at a tank weighing in at above 100 tons. And it is way too fast.
The Silver Sky
15-07-2005, 02:17
Let's compare for a sec, my tanks has less armor/armament then Soviet Bloc's ST-29, and the max range is 8 miles, effective range is <5 miles, and it's slower then the ST-29(at least I think it is, not sure, if it's faster I'll fix it.)
USSNA
15-07-2005, 02:32
This cannon can easily destroy most main battle tanks at ranges out to 8 miles with diminishing effects thereafter (less effective, less damage).

Now tell me what you said about about range again.

You have 4,900 RHA against HEAT, and 2,500 against KE. Unless this tank is PMT or FT, this is unreasonable. Even at 88 tons. Then you add in all the weight from the weapons and systems. 88 is way underweight.

I'm checking up on SB's ST-29 and will call out against it too, if it unreasonable.
The Silver Sky
15-07-2005, 02:38
Now tell me what you said about about range again.

You have 4,900 RHA against HEAT, and 2,500 against KE. Unless this tank is PMT or FT, this is unreasonable. Even at 88 tons. Then you add in all the weight from the weapons and systems. 88 is way underweight.

I'm checking up on SB's ST-29 and will call out against it too, if it unreasonable.
If you want unrealistic check out Lame Bum's storefront, he has tanks with thousand of grams of buckyballs and 9000mm+ RHA, and most of my tank's armor comes from the ERA plating, once the ERA is gone the RHA rating lowers to 3,700 for HEAT and 1,900 for KE.

Oh, I see I claimed a 8 mile effective range, please excuse me, I'll change that now.
USSNA
15-07-2005, 02:47
still a bit high for a MT tech. I try and be realistic, even when other arn't. My tank has a 2,050 RHA protection on the front and less on the sides, roof, rear, and bottom. And it weight in at 76.1 mt.

BTW can you link me to the SB-29?
The Silver Sky
15-07-2005, 02:58
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=412894&page=1
Found it! The only thing is that he never says the RHA ratings, and his tank weigh less then an Abrams, but he is slower then mine by by 4mph governed (I suspect a hight ungoverned speed)
Omz222
15-07-2005, 02:58
I'll agree that the armour rating is somewhat excessively high and inflated, and comparing it to a tank that is blatantly godmoded in regards to its armour doesn't prove anything other than the fact that armour ratings on tanks are in many instances, over-inflated in NS anyways. With that much armour, even if it is feasible, the weight of the tank will drastically increase (much more than 88 tons) to a point where it is no longer feasible for transport in overseas operations.
The Silver Sky
15-07-2005, 03:05
How about I decrease the armor to 4000mm RHA HEAT and 2200mm RHA for KE for the front armor, that's easily defeat able for most NS tanks.
USSNA
15-07-2005, 03:12
I would lower it just a bit more, but that seem more reasonable than what you have now. for 88 tons, I would lower HEAT 300mm and KE 100mm
The tokera
15-07-2005, 03:16
the tokera would like to buy production rights for this great tank and if that is not possible we would like to purchase 3000 tanks for $42,000,000,000 USD
The Candrian Empire
15-07-2005, 03:19
I don't get all this complaining, RHAe doesn't even prove much. Rating based on steel is kinda subjective, afterall.

EDIT - By the way, what tech level is this? MT?
USSNA
15-07-2005, 03:23
It is a standard of measurement. With RHA, it would be a big game of "My tanks bigger than yours" "No its not."
The Silver Sky
15-07-2005, 03:27
OOC: Ok, and thanks you two, see this is what threads like this are for, they help you better understand things, thanks!

IC:
To: The tokera
From: Steven Miller, Silver Sky National Arms
RE: Order

Your order for Production Rights has been confirmed, the limits of the production rights however include no resale, and no serious modifications unless you contact us first.

Production Rights= $14,000,000,000 USD

OOC: And yes, this is MT, I haven't really used any tech that we don't have now (ETC was played around with in the '80s and is considered MT in NS, although with the rail assist some might consider this close to PMT)
The Silver Sky
15-07-2005, 05:32
*bump*
The Silver Sky
15-07-2005, 14:39
*bump*
The tokera
15-07-2005, 15:17
IC:
To: Steven Miller, Silver Sky National Arms
From: The Tokera

thank you the $14,000,000,000 USD is now wired and we thank you for granting us production rights.
The Silver Sky
15-07-2005, 18:01
*bump*
The Silver Sky
15-07-2005, 21:08
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The Silver Sky
16-07-2005, 03:52
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The Silver Sky
16-07-2005, 15:14
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The Silver Sky
16-07-2005, 19:51
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The Silver Sky
16-07-2005, 23:32
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The Silver Sky
17-07-2005, 04:37
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The Silver Sky
17-07-2005, 14:48
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The Silver Sky
18-07-2005, 16:54
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The Silver Sky
18-07-2005, 20:20
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The Silver Sky
19-07-2005, 18:34
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The Silver Sky
21-07-2005, 19:02
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The Silver Sky
28-07-2005, 19:28
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Southeastasia
28-12-2005, 17:26
TSS, sorry to revive an old thread, but when are you going to add this to your newly revised storefront?
Spizania
28-12-2005, 17:45
Sorry about this as well TSS, but isnt that gun alittle powerful at 8km/s muzzle velocity? i got in trouble for mounting a 155mm ETC with half the muzzle velocity on a 90 tonne chassis.
The Silver Sky
28-12-2005, 18:02
If you guys would have read you would have realized it is a complete and total techwank/godmod, so, please don't bump this old thread.