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I was thinking of designing my own aircraft carrier, except that I know nothing about ships, ship-building, etc. Could someone help me out?

Anyone? :(

Well, I've never designed my own MT ship. But, I think it would help others to help you if you gave us a place to start. What are you having the hardest time grasping or something like that.

I wish I had a good resource or something to link to here, but this is the best I can do right about now.

Well, I've never designed my own MT ship. But, I think it would help others to help you if you gave us a place to start. What are you having the hardest time grasping or something like that.

I wish I had a good resource or something to link to here, but this is the best I can do right about now.

Let's just say, I don't know anything about the subject.

Okay I'm no expert but lets start at the basic:

How many aircrafts do you want it to hold? 150? 180? 200?

Then I can help (or others) you.

Google aircraft carrier, that should get you plenty of stats to begin building one around.

Ok ill help you, it starts with what kind of carrier you want. There are 3 general types. A V/STOL carrier, which are genrally smaller and carry a mix of Harriers/Yak-141's(depending on your preference) and have slightly angled flightdecks. The usually carry 10-15 Helicopters and 5-10 Jumpjets. Most smaller navies use this type, such as spain and the UK. Here is a few examples-
Uk's Invicible class (http://www.gillespie.ndo.co.uk/Navy/Pictures/Carriers/R05.JPG)

Spanish Principe de Asturias (http://www.futura-dtp.dk/FLEET/images/skibe/Principe1.jpg)


Then there are larger Mid sized carriers, wich are a little below the Us supercarriers, and i will include the Russian Keiv class carriers here also. The only navies that operate these are France and india(bought old russian one)
They hold 40-65 aircraft, and are larger than V/Stol carriers. The have fully angled flightdecks.
Examples-
Indian Kiev class(not bought yet) (http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/ka/images/img7.jpg)
French Charles de Gaulle (http://homepage.eircom.net/~steven/images/gaule96.jpg)
Russian Kuznetsov/Orel (http://www.volny.cz/recon/letlod/kuznetsov.jpg)

The other carriers are the Us supercarriers, but i dont have enough time to talk about them now. They hold 75-120 aircraft and weigh 70,000-140,000 tons

Clan Smoke Jaguar did an article on naval vessels. It's informative, and he links to some excellent websites that I used to help myself design a carrier: http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=292413
Hope that helps.

Thanks a lot, guys! :)

I still don't understand. :(

Well I suggest that you use the basics of the Future Nimitz Class Carriers. I modified them to fit less than 200 Aircraft/Helicopters. When you build yours, make it a stealth Carrier with an electronic warfare suite. This way, you have a very high chance of winning if the enemy doesn't know what hit them and very high chance the enemy doesn't know where your Carrier Battle group is located.

Roman Republic, it's impossible to make a truely stealth carrier, because there is a general requirement for there to be a large, flat surface known as a "deck" which reflects radar waves in the same way as a highly polished mirror reflects light.

RB, the best way to design an aircraft carrier (like anything) is to come up with an idea of what you want it to do, look at some real life examples of it being done, work out what you want done differently and then write up the stats. As carriers go there are a few different types:

Helicopter Carriers - As you would imagine, they carry helicopters. They're used to deploy marines quickly, or to cover an area with a large number of ASW helicopters. They're general relatively small. An example would be the HMS Ocean, or the HMS Invincible (google them for more details).

Escort / Light Carriers - Small carriers that carry planes. Generally VTOL or STOVL planes due to the short flight decks. They are used to escort convoys, or accompany small fleets. An example would be the HMS Invincible, and they carry 12 - 25 planes.

Mid Sized Carriers - Carriers that are bigger than small carriers, and generally carry VTOL or STOVL planes although usually can carry CTOL if necessary. These usually carry 25 to a maximum of 50 aircraft. Examples include the Charles De Gaulle Class, and the CVF.

Fleet Carriers - Carriers that carry a large number of aircraft to be used with general fleets and carrier battlegroups. They would carry between 50 and 100 planes, and an example would be the Nimitz Class.

Large Carriers - Bigger than fleet carriers, usually carrying 100 - 150 planes. Dont exist in RL, but no reason to suggest they cant in NS with enough cash involved.

Super Carriers - NOT the RL definition of a super carrier. Like a super dreadnaught, these are huge carriers which carry 150+ and usually 200+ planes. I personally dont believe that they're worth the money, but some people do.

*shrug*

Roman Republic, it's impossible to make a truely stealth carrier, because there is a general requirement for there to be a large, flat surface known as a "deck" which reflects radar waves in the same way as a highly polished mirror reflects light.



Well what about Island. Like on the drawing about the CVN-77 G H W Bush. Or like the towers of the LPD-17 San Antonio?? Is that part of the stealth or is that a show piece.

Well what about Island. Like on the drawing about the CVN-77 G H W Bush. Or like the towers of the LPD-17 San Antonio?? Is that part of the stealth or is that a show piece.
The island is used as an air traffic control and radar tower. It's nothing whatsoever to do with stealth, and only covers a small fraction of the surface of the carrier deck.

Well what about Island. Like on the drawing about the CVN-77 G H W Bush. Or like the towers of the LPD-17 San Antonio?? Is that part of the stealth or is that a show piece.The most that stealth can do for an aircraft carrier is reduce its radar profile and make it somewhat more difficult to detect. However, no aircraft carrier is going to be truly stealthy. They're going to get detected one way or the other.

The island is used as an air traffic control and radar tower. It's nothing whatsoever to do with stealth, and only covers a small fraction of the surface of the carrier deck.

Well I believe that It has to be stealthy since technology is rapidly increase and making things smaller. So a smaller Island is good for stealth. My carriers' Island and the flattop deck are both stealthy so that signatures for the carriers are reduced an remain sort of undected depending on the radar the enemy is using.

Ok ill help you, it starts with what kind of carrier you want. There are 3 general types. A V/STOL carrier, which are genrally smaller and carry a mix of Harriers/Yak-141's(depending on your preference) and have slightly angled flightdecks. The usually carry 10-15 Helicopters and 5-10 Jumpjets. Most smaller navies use this type, such as spain and the UK. Here is a few examples-
Uk's Invicible class (http://www.gillespie.ndo.co.uk/Navy/Pictures/Carriers/R05.JPG)

Spanish Principe de Asturias (http://www.futura-dtp.dk/FLEET/images/skibe/Principe1.jpg)


Then there are larger Mid sized carriers, wich are a little below the Us supercarriers, and i will include the Russian Keiv class carriers here also. The only navies that operate these are France and india(bought old russian one)
They hold 40-65 aircraft, and are larger than V/Stol carriers. The have fully angled flightdecks.
Examples-
Indian Kiev class(not bought yet) (http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/ka/images/img7.jpg)
French Charles de Gaulle (http://homepage.eircom.net/~steven/images/gaule96.jpg)
Russian Kuznetsov/Orel (http://www.volny.cz/recon/letlod/kuznetsov.jpg)

The other carriers are the Us supercarriers, but i dont have enough time to talk about them now. They hold 75-120 aircraft and weigh 70,000-140,000 tons

Is there a way to expand that so they can hold 180?

Well Praetonia, I'm not going to argue over something that I'm not a smart ass on. I'll learn from all the smart asses who know this subject best. The only thing I know is Land Warfare.

My Carriers are the new line of US carriers: CVN-21 (Formerly known as CV(X))

Well I believe that It has to be stealthy since technology is rapidly increase and making things smaller. So a smaller Island is good for stealth. My carriers' Island and the flattop deck are both stealthy so that signatures for the carriers are reduced an remain sort of undected depending on the radar the enemy is using.
Well, the russians, in rl, have invented this little thing for thier latest aircraft called plasma stealth. Its supposed to be 100 times more effective than the conventional stealth tech used on America's aircraft. You might consider using that for your carrier.
Edit: Plasma stealth will make your ship invisible to radar, but your carrier will still be visible to planes flying overhead.

Well Praetonia, I'm not going to argue over something that I'm not a smart ass on. I'll learn from all the smart asses who know this subject best. The only thing I know is Land Warfare.

My Carriers are the new line of US carriers: CVN-21 (Formerly known as CV(X))
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Well. If you want any help making your own class of carriers then give me a TG.

EDIT: A flat top deck cant be stealthy, simply because they are flat, and flat surfaces reflect radar well. And Whittier--, plasma-stealth is used on aircraft not aircraft carriers.

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Well. If you want any help making your own class of carriers then give me a TG.

EDIT: A flat top deck cant be stealthy, simply because they are flat, and flat surfaces reflect radar well. And Whittier--, plasma-stealth is used on aircraft not aircraft carriers.
I know that. But why not use it on aircraft carriers. Its the same concept isn't it? Or doesn't plasma stealth work in saltwater?

what you need in this new age is a anti sub ship,
(picks up top trumps warships set)
you want a nuuklear ship, it can do 1000000 miles before refueling
it needs a ski jump deck for stol craft
AK AK and Flak
storage for planes
garages
crew rooms
decks
torpedo nets
ammo
lots o' stuff
my person preferation is the russki's

I considered a different approach, ekranoplan-based craft.
because a significant gap exists between the maximum speed of a conventional ship, and the stall speed of a warplane, and given the impracticality of mile-long ships, complex equipment is reqired to permit takeoff and landing. with WiG technology, landings are reduced to a manouver scarecly more difficult than midflight refeuling. of course, there are drawbacks, each carrier holds only two craft, and is still a pretty easy target for ememy airplanes

@Praetonia,
I have put a little thought into the concept of a stealth aircraft carrier and i think i have a way. i need someone to provide an alternative to me pulling numbers out my arse, and since your probably the best in the business i'm asking you to make some stats. if your not interested, then this is out to anyone else with a talent at ship-building. Proffit percentage will be 60%.

Well, the russians, in rl, have invented this little thing for thier latest aircraft called plasma stealth. Its supposed to be 100 times more effective than the conventional stealth tech used on America's aircraft. You might consider using that for your carrier.
Edit: Plasma stealth will make your ship invisible to radar, but your carrier will still be visible to planes flying overhead.

Plasma stealth gives you some and takes away some. Its true that plasma stealth decreases stealth but it gives the aircraft a humongous IR signature. The enemy will just find the aircraft using IR signature trackers and missiles. In the long-term, the conventional stealth is better because it has parts from both sectors (RADAR and IR). Sorry ;)