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Tragedy at Sea (ATN: Blue Garbage Cans)

Leafanistan
08-06-2005, 03:24
LNNN: Tragedy at Sea

Today a Leafanistani Battle Group finishing exercises off the port of New Meiji encountered a Blue Garbage Can cruise liner; the Majestic. It was signaled, however there was no response, the ship kept bearing on the fleet and its flagship, the Superdreadnought HFS Glorious. Several frigates fired on the ship suspecting it was a terrorist vessel. However the truth was revealed. A series of engine malfunctions and power plant malfunctions left the ship derelict and mute. They couldnt change course and communicate. Today High Father has issued an official apology to Blue Garbage Cans.

"To our bretheren in Blue Garbage Cans, we shall send $200 million US in funds to rebuild those broken familes. Our sincerest apologies to all those related to those killed, it was not our intention to sink the cruise liner. It was an accident and nothing more, and we hope for continued good relations between our nations."
Blue Garbage Cans
08-06-2005, 03:58
I appreciate the apology but this will not be tolerated. The majestic was a trade ship and the family of the General of the Garbage Can army was on that ship. Whether you know or not, the nation of BGC doesn't mind the act of suicide attempts against other nations. General Knawer has offered to sacrifice his life to get revenge on The Glorious Republic of Leafanistan.

If I knew it was an accident and radio communications had been turned off I would of surely have called of the attack.

Knawer being a General in the Army was allowed to pass the metal detectors and he was scheduled to sit in that plane before the ship tragedy even happened. He realized that around 15-25 people were from The Glorious Republic of Leafanistan so he decided to go through with the plan and hi-jack the plane. He ended up shooting a female flight attendant named Katie Johanson. He then told every body on the plane what he would do so they can respectively call there loved ones. The pilot's door was open and he shot both of my nation's pilots in the head. He took control of the plane and he wanted to smash it right in the general area of the heart of your capital. The 20 or so civilians from Leafanistan retaliated and started to gang up on Knawer. One of the Leafanistan people grabbed the gun and pistol whipped Knawer in the face. He then took a knife from the pocket of Knawer and slit his throat. All the remaining people on the plane had no flight experience and had no idea what to do. The plane was 100 miles east of the capital of Leafanistan. The person who killed Knawer, we now know his name is George Letizia. George took control of the plane and he knew that he could not land it. He then though of a last ditch plan and land it in the water. He turned the wheel of the plane and pulled it up. Little did he know, that made the plane descend and he had no time to take it over the water. The plane came crashing down to an open field, 7 miles east from the capital of Leafanistan.

This tragedy happened around 7:15 pm and approximately 15 people from BGC died and the 23 people from Leafanistan died. There were no survivors.

This tragedy has affected both of our nations, and it is all due to the fact that your nation did not give my ship a chance to send you a message of peace.

In conclusion of all of this, The Republic of Blue Garbage Cans declares war on The Glorious Republic of Leafanistan
McKagan
08-06-2005, 04:04
The Republic of McKagan will aid Leafanistan.

Although his navy is larger than your entier population.
Blue Garbage Cans
08-06-2005, 04:14
Realizing that I am out populated, I will have to enact a draft. All men in BGC between the age of 18 and 30 will be drafted. All people between the age of 25-35 will have the choice of navy or army (30-35 is all navy)
McKagan
08-06-2005, 04:19
Over 5% of your population in the army is still godmodding, anyway.

That said, you've got an army of NO MORE than 400,000, which a fighting force of like, 200,000.

That has to be devided between Army, Airforce, Navy, and Marines (if you have Marines)

I have 700,000, and that's without a draft.

Leafanistan probably drawfs that; you didn't enter into a very smart war, there.
Halberdgardia
08-06-2005, 04:21
Add my forces on top of that, and you're pretty much screwed, BGC. Although I might just stay out of this, what with the Monitgnac Civil War getting hot and all...rest assured, though, if you are foolish enough to attack Leafanistan and McKagan, we will move in to assist them in crushing you.
McKagan
08-06-2005, 04:24
The 2nd, 5th, and 7th fleets have all been launched.

2nd Fleet
2 DDX Destroyers
4 Arleigh Burke Class Destroyers
6 Ticonderoga AEGIS Guided Missile Cruisers
12 Advanced Tactical Frigates
2 Virginia Class Attack Subs
1 Nimitz AAC

5th Fleet
1 DDX Destroyer
3 Arleigh Burke Class Destroyers
4 Ticonderoga AEGIS Guided Missile Cruisers
6 Raptor Class Cruisers
5 Advanced Tactical Frigates
2 Virginia Class Attack Subs
1 Nimitz ACC

7th Fleet
2 DDX Destroyers
5 Arleigh Burke Class Destroyers
8 Ticonderoga AEGIS Guided Missile Cruisers
1 Nimitz ACC
4 Raptor Class Cruisers
6 Advanced Tactical Frigates
1 Virginia Class Attack Sub
[NS]Algeristan
08-06-2005, 04:40
Message from the office of the Presidency of the Holy Republic of Algeristan

The Holy Republic of Algeristan is alarmed at the current situation between Leafanistan and Blue Garbage Cans.

Our nation weeps for those innocents who died at the hands of Leafanistani incompetence.

Algeristan however considers the 200 million USD offered to BGCs to be insulting.

What Leafanistan should do if it wants to put things right with BGCs is that Leafanistan should ARREST all military/naval staff who took part in this horrible attack. It's out of order that these KILLERS still serve in the Leafanistani military.

Our nation considers the trial of these killers in a court of law to be a just response to these events and a way to calm the minds of the people of BGCs, thus avioding war as the guns have yet to fire in this conflict.

If Leafanistan and BGCs will accept these proposals, then the two nations would be more than welcome to hold peace talks in the capital city of Algeristan, Najjaf.

I hope both sides consider this proposal and work towards a more peaceful future.

From the President of the Holy Republic of Algeristan

Sayeed al Bakr
McKagan
08-06-2005, 04:44
Arresting a naval crew isn't the smart thing to do. They were probably acting because they thought they were going to be fired on.

OOC: BGC has been harrassing me in TG for the last 3 days. I'm looking forward to having another province.
Omz222
08-06-2005, 04:46
The Omzian nation is extremely distubed and disgusted by this prime example of maritime terrorism and bullying, currently conducted and orchestrated recklessly and ruthlessly by the government of Leafanistan and its allies. The claim of a membership in a pact that 'aids less powerful nation' is even more ironic, since the current actions of the irresponsible government of Leafanistan is in a direct contradiction. Though the Omzian government still has concerns about breaking its current neutrality, if Leafanistan still persists and chooses to follow the course of aggression, the choice of defending Blue Garbage Cans with the flesh and blood of the Omzian Forces may certainly be a possibility.

Ministry of Foreign Affairs,
Omzian Democratic Republic
McKagan
08-06-2005, 04:47
You must remember, Leafanistan didn't declare war.

Leafanistan's naval forces protected themselves from what they thought was a threat.
[NS]Algeristan
08-06-2005, 05:07
Message from the office of the Presidency of the Holy Republic of Algeristan

To: Mckagan

Does your nation consider it right that if someone makes a BIG mistake that results in the loss of life and incompetance that could lead to war, that the individual in question should then not be held to account?

These naval staff in question didn't just make a small harmless mistake, they KILLED many innocent people and have now ENDAGERED the lives of ALL Leafanistani people as they have caused war to erupt between them.

These naval staff have shown beyond doubt that they are NOT fit for military service and should be held to account.

Besides, whether you think it right or not, by arresting them, we can avoid war which could kill MILLIONS and that is a LOT WORSE than depriving a few incompetant naval staff of their liberty!

The original offer by Leafanistan was not enough, as you cannot quench people's desire for justice with money.

It was also unrealistic to expect BGCs to not declare war as their government would be under GREAT pressure to do so.

The ONLY way to prevent the bloodlust of the people of the BGSc pushing their government to war is to give them a response that can calm them down.

To not do this would be akin to asking a woman to forgive and love the killer of her child.

We are all human and our emotions always do get the better of us.

But this situations should not get out of hand.

I urge to to reconsider your approach and to put on hold your naval deployment as BGCs are not even able to mount a land invasion of Leafanistan. This war would just end up with BGCs defending her land against superior foes.

I would also like to know the REAL reason as to why your nation has entered this war, as your nation has shown a rather imperialistic and expansionist approach to the world.

From the President of the Holy Republic of Algeristan
Elendriana
08-06-2005, 05:10
The Holy Empire of Elendriana wishes it to be known that it will agitate without cause or provocation against whichever side seems to have the more valid argument, purely for the sake of it's own personal amusement. :sniper:
McKagan
08-06-2005, 05:19
When a US Submarine hit and sank a Japanese student vessel war was not declared.

Even because it was a bad mistake that cost lives, we can't replace naval officers everytime. Held to account, yes. Removed from duty, no.

If the same situation was to arise and the ship actually was a terrorist plot to sale a thermonuclear warhead into the center of the fleet, would it be wrong to fire without first waiting to determine if the ship is hostile? Time is lives, my friend. This was unfortanate, yes, but it was the correct decision on the part of the Commanding Officer of the frigate.

That said, we're allies with Leafanistan. War being declared upon him was a direct hostile action taken first, thus, we were obligated to help.

We're not here for a war. We'd much rather their not be one. But little countries with the population of Leafanistans military shouldn't declare war everytime something happens to them and then hide behind the international community for help.

If Blue Garbage Can's stands down now I won't attack him, I won't land an amphibious assault, and I won't carpet bomb his country like what happened in the Saharistan War and Pine Orchard. I'll just ask that he go home. I'll also pay a monetary sum to the families, if that helps.

But removing officers from command isn't the thing to do. Perhaps a face to face meeting or something of the sort?
McKagan
08-06-2005, 05:26
The Holy Empire of Elendriana wishes it to be known that it will agitate without cause or provocation against whichever side seems to have the more valid argument, purely for the sake of it's own personal amusement. :sniper:

At which point you will probably be dogpilled. A little like in Saharistan.
Omz222
08-06-2005, 05:33
It is simply ridiculous and to a limited extent, laughable that a responsible government can even label a reckless and atrocious attack against a civilian vessel sailing peacefully in international waters as an act of self defence. It is as well, overly obvious that this is nothing more than a pre-planned mass murder of thousands of civilians and countless children and families, as surely even an amaeturish military force would still be able to make great distinction between a cruise liner and an armed vessel.

However, with the concerns aside, by sending direct threats against the people of Blue Garbage Cans it only further proves the irresponsibility of Leafanistan's allies such as McKagan, and their inability in handling even the slighest of world affairs. The possibility for the Omzian government to tolerate a direct attack against Blue Garbage Cans is growing more and more distinct.

Ministry of Foreign Affairs
Ministry of National Defence,
Omzian Democratic Republic
Algeristan
08-06-2005, 05:36
Message from the office of the Presidency of the Holy Republic of Algeristan

To: Mckagan

Well I do not share your conviction that the staff of the US ship who sank to student ship were right. You must always have an effecient intelligence gathering system for your nations security. I do think Leafanistan should invest in one.

Besides, you make two contradictory claims, first that BGCs has the population of the Leafanistani military and then that Leafanistan cannot afford to lose a 100 or so naval staff to prison.

If Leafanistan has millions in it's military forces, then it can afford to try these staff in court and replace them with MORE EFFICIENT men!

Is it not the thing to do, to ensure that ALL your personnel in your armed forces are able and effiecient. I know that I would NOT want people in my military who were incompetant and who could cause wars with their mistakes.

I would also like to remind you that Leafanistan has yet to make a formal reply to our proposals and it is THEY, not you, who will decide on whether to accept the peace plan or not.

I would also like to WARN you about this war, it is not going to be easy as Ozmain has sided with BGCs and Ozmain has a 4.5 BILLION population with a powerhouse economy, so you are ALL outnumbered now anyway.

Please be sensible and save your own people by not going to war!

From the President of the Holy Republic of Algeristan

Sayeed al Bakr
McKagan
08-06-2005, 05:37
Just because a crew can tell the difference between an armed vessel and cruise liner doesn't mean they can tell the difference between a cruise liner and a ship that has been hijacked by terrorists with a thermonuclear warhead onboard.

Again, I'm not interested in taking military action first. That's of BGC backs down. Any hostilities against Leafanistan will be met with a full military retaliation.
Omz222
08-06-2005, 05:39
Though we must once again reiterate our neutrality as of this time, we must also repeat our disgust and disappointment at this continued threat issued by McKagan and its allies. Though we do not as of the moment support Blue Garbage Can's declaration of war, we nevertheless view this situation as a disgusting example of bullying and even to a limited extent, terrorism. Regardless of who will take the first action, we do not feel that a direct attack against Blue Garbage Can's homeland would be fully justified.

If one does not want to face consequences, take this as our final warning.

FltAdm (Ret.) Loran,
Minister of National Defence,
Omzian Democratic Republic
McKagan
08-06-2005, 05:40
Message from the office of the Presidency of the Holy Republic of Algeristan

To: Mckagan

Well I do not share your conviction that the staff of the US ship who sank to student ship were right. You must always have an effecient intelligence gathering system for your nations security. I do think Leafanistan should invest in one.

Besides, you make two contradictory claims, first that BGCs has the population of the Leafanistani military and then that Leafanistan cannot afford to lose a 100 or so naval staff to prison.

If Leafanistan has millions in it's military forces, then it can afford to try these staff in court and replace them with MORE EFFICIENT men!

Is it not the thing to do, to ensure that ALL your personnel in your armed forces are able and effiecient. I know that I would NOT want people in my military who were incompetant and who could cause wars with their mistakes.

I would also like to remind you that Leafanistan has yet to make a formal reply to our proposals and it is THEY, not you, who will decide on whether to accept the peace plan or not.

I would also like to WARN you about this war, it is not going to be easy as Ozmain has sided with BGCs and Ozmain has a 4.5 BILLION population with a powerhouse economy, so you are ALL outnumbered now anyway.

Please be sensible and save your own people by not going to war!

From the President of the Holy Republic of Algeristan

Sayeed al Bakr

*slaps forehead*

For the 4th time: I'm not going to fire first.

Futhermore, yes. He could replace the crewmen that fired upon the ship. That said, how would you like to be that crewman?

Would you like to have your life stripped away just because you fired on what you thought was a threat?

Yes, firing was a little drastic, but it isn't completly unheard of.
McKagan
08-06-2005, 05:42
Though we must once again reiterate our neutrality as of this time, we must also repeat our disgust and disappointment at this continued threat issued by McKagan and its allies. Though we do not as of the moment support Blue Garbage Can's declaration of war, we nevertheless view this situation as a disgusting example of bullying and even to a limited extent, terrorism.

If one does not want to face consequences, take this as our final warning.

FltAdm (Ret.) Loran,
Minister of National Defence,
Omzian Democratic Republic

So it's bullying for us to use our size over BGC, but it's perfectly ok for you to threaten us into backing down when you have a larger advantage over us than we have over BGC?
Omz222
08-06-2005, 05:46
So it's bullying for us to use our size over BGC, but it's perfectly ok for you to threaten us into backing down when you have a larger advantage over us than we have over BGC?
We feel that it is merely a warning for those who seeks to exercise their imperalistic aims and aggression against the nation of Blue Garbage Can. Regardless of the empty talk about differences in population, it would be a failure for the rest of the world if nothing else can assure Blue Garbage Can's survival as a nation. Though we still monitor actions taken by the government of Blue Garbage Can themselves and will adjust our action accordingly, it is only overly obvious that the current threats against Blue Garbage Can are with imperalistic aims and greed.
McKagan
08-06-2005, 05:52
If our long term goals were to colonize BGC we would have done so long ago.

What part of "we're not going to strike first" did you not understand?

Is it wrong for us to threaten military use against him after he declares war on us?

Most other nations would already have made about 3 bomb runs on his capital city by now.
[NS]Algeristan
08-06-2005, 05:55
Message from the office of the Presidency of the Holy Republic of Algeristan

To: Mckagan

WELL WHAT ABOUT THE LIVES OF THE INNOCENT WHO WERE KILLED, THESE NAVAL STAFF MAY HAVE THEIR CAREERS TAKEN AWAY, BUT AT LEAST THEY DO NOT HAVE TO VISIT THE GRAVES OF THEIR OWN RELATIVES OR HAVE THIER OWN LIVES LOST!

IT'S SICKENING THAT YOUR NATION SHOWS MORE CONCERN FOR THE RIGHTS OF THESE NAVAL STAFF THAN ANY SENSE OF REMORSE OF SORROW FOR THE INNOCENTS WHO HAVE BEEN LOST!

Algeristani intelligence sources have actually shown a DECREASE in terrorist activity in Leafanistan over the last year.

To try and use the terrorist threat for this occasion will not pass with us.

Would you accept it if Algeristani guns were to sink a Mckagan ship which we thought was a threat, what would your response be?

Your nations attitude shows NO desire for peace.

If Leafanistan were to bomb ANY BGCs cities or any bases on BGC soil then Algeristan would STRONGLY consider calling the nations of our region, United Arabia, to join us in attacking ALL Leafanistani military bases and sites to DESTROY their military system and their ability to wage war.

Don't let this get out of hand, think wise and save all nations involved.

From the President of the Holy Republic of Algeristan

Sayeed al Bakr
Isselmere
08-06-2005, 06:04
If our long term goals were to colonize BGC we would have done so long ago.

What part of "we're not going to strike first" did you not understand?

Is it wrong for us to threaten military use against him after he declares war on us?

Most other nations would already have made about 3 bomb runs on his capital city by now.
OOC: But a strike has already occurred, and one which could with reason be called an act of war by Leafanistan. Hence...

Televised Conference on the Leafanistan attack on the cruise liner Majestic

The Rt Hon Sir George Fredericks (KL, MP, CS, PC, RC), Minister for Foreign Affairs and International Development, speaking:

It has come to His Majesty's Government's attention that certain nations have engaged in hostile actions against a small nation. While that small nation, Blue Garbage Cans, has declared war on those larger nations, His Majesty's Government sees it fit to send the Atlantic Fleet Group into international waters surrounding Blue Garbage Cans to ensure that those nations that had provoked the aforementioned nation conduct no further hostile acts upon that nation or its merchant fleet. Any hostile action against vessels, personnel, or vehicles of the Defence Forces of the UKIN will be considered an act of war and will be punished accordingly.

You have been warned.
McKagan
08-06-2005, 06:07
You're wasting alot of time and money over the sheer fact that you haven't realized that i'm not going to act first.

We've said that 5 times now.

I'm just going to ignore this unless someone reconizes it.
[NS]Algeristan
08-06-2005, 06:11
To: Mckagan.

If Leafanistan fires the FIRST shots on BGCs and they defend themselves, would you then take action against BGCs?

If your answer is yes, then upon you doing that, we would consider action against you.
McKagan
08-06-2005, 06:13
It's hard to say.

At the moment i'm not interested in invading the country. But if Leafanistan's forces are fired upon, and we fire back; would you fire on us?
Omz222
08-06-2005, 06:14
You're wasting alot of time and money over the sheer fact that you haven't realized that i'm not going to act first.

Regardless of this statement that we already had observed, we feel that if McKagan is truly free of imperalistic aims against BGC, the government of McKagan would not have been so over-reactive and nervous about the prospect of Omzian and other allied deployments near BGC. As well, in no way is the Omzian nation preparing against McKagan, as we are simply preparing to ensure the safety of the government of Blue Garbage Cans themselves. Regardless of what the aims of McKagan is, the possibility of Omzian deployments is still far from distinct.

Ministry of National Defence
Isselmere
08-06-2005, 06:15
OOC: McKagan, you indicated that:

a ) You launched three fleets
b ) That you are supporting Leafanistan

Also worthy of note was that I made no mention of attacking any nation unless attacked. Unless you attack, I don't, simple as that.
[NS]Algeristan
08-06-2005, 06:17
To: McKagan

IF LEAFANISTAN ATTACKS ANY BGC UNITS OR CITIES/TOWN AND THEY FIR BACK IN SELF DEFENCE AND THEN YOU ATTACK GBC, WE WOULD STRIKE YOUR FLEET AND DESTROY YOUR PRESENCE THERE!!!
McKagan
08-06-2005, 06:20
When any of our allies are attacked we mobilize fleets, that's no biggie.

Also, Algeristan, are you the dude with a population of 10 million? I thought you were another one of the 4.5 billion guys. I'm not going to fear your threats very much, y'know.
McKagan
08-06-2005, 06:23
Regardless of this statement that we already had observed, we feel that if McKagan is truly free of imperalistic aims against BGC, the government of McKagan would not have been so over-reactive and nervous about the prospect of Omzian and other allied deployments near BGC. As well, in no way is the Omzian nation preparing against McKagan, as we are simply preparing to ensure the safety of the government of Blue Garbage Cans themselves. Regardless of what the aims of McKagan is, the possibility of Omzian deployments is still far from distinct.

Ministry of National Defence

The standard buerocratic response of launching our navy is due to high paranoia amongst our Joint Cheifs of Staff.

The deployment of such large fleets was a little uncalled for, yes, but at the time I thought we were heading into a full naval war and I didn't want our boys outgunned over there.

Anyhow, I'm going to wait to see what Leafanistan does before I decide to wtihdrawl many ships. I'll pull 2 fleets out and leave the smallest in the general area of Blue Garbage Can's.
[NS]Algeristan
08-06-2005, 06:26
You should better fear them.

My nation has chemical missiles (1350 missiles) and nuclear missiles (460 missiles).

If you bomb my cities or are about to invade my land, after I have to strike your naval fleet should they take action against GBC, then these weapons would be used against you killing MILLIONS.

Think about it hard!
McKagan
08-06-2005, 06:27
Most members consider a nation your size (or mine, for that matter) with WMD's godmodding, and will ignore it.

Anyhow, if a country your size has that many, I have several times that many, and if I have that amount then I fear the numbers some people in this thread have.
Flightopia
08-06-2005, 06:29
My republic will come to the aid of Leafanistan if need. We have an ok army and vary good navy, I'm dispatching a Carrier group to the area. also, we have a damn fine airforce, so they are on the tarmac ready to scramble.


Hunter Alldredge, President of the Armed Republic of Flightopia
McKagan
08-06-2005, 06:30
OOC: Going offline now. We'll see if WW3 has started by morning.
[NS]Algeristan
08-06-2005, 06:31
I have a multi BILLION dollar defence budget and a Uranium mining industry!

You dont need billions of people to have WMDs.

WMDs are better for smaller nations who lack manpower.

Who said you have to be over 50 million or 100 million to have WMD.

In RL Isreal has 4 million people and 200 nuclear warheads, despite it's economy in recession and the fact that it's defence budget relies heavily on foreign aid.
Flightopia
08-06-2005, 06:34
Very true, I as well mine nuculer products, buti I'm not gonig to flot the fact I may have nukes.
McKagan
08-06-2005, 06:34
You're just making all that up.

http://www.sunsetrpg.com/nsxmlparser.php

It's a common thing around here that nations not have WMD's until they have a certain ammount of people. If you use WMD's on me i'll just ignore it because it's godmodding. You also have a SMALL defense budget, mine is about 19 times higher.

All together, I wouldn't waste my time on someone that has no idea how to play the game.

Goodnight.
[NS]Algeristan
08-06-2005, 06:43
Yesterday my budget stood at 8 billion for defence, now its 5 billion, thats due to changes in the economy from powerhouse to thriving and a lowering of taxation in my budget.

I do NOT consider my WMD to be godmodoing.

If I had said I had 2000 nuclear missiles and 10000 or so chemical weapons then that WOULD be godmoding.

But I feel I have stuck to realistic numbers, a few hundred for my nuclear and just over a thousand for my chemical.

Especially my chemical weapons, you don't need much money even for them.

I hope I don't ever have to use them on you, but to say you would ignore a WMD stike by me on you would allow me to say I could ignore a WMD strike by you on me. It would be pointless, beside you yourself admitited that your nation is also BELOW the pop. req. for WMDs yet you claim to have them!

I reconise your WMD ability, it's only fair that you do mine, given that I can afford it and my nation has Uranium fields and a Arms manufacturing industry.

CHECK MY NATON HOMEPAGE TO SEE FOR YOURSELF!
Flightopia
08-06-2005, 06:54
I also have a good ecnomnoy, even though we are small we have alot of volunter military servicemen and women, also I did'nt say i had nukes I siad if I did I wouldn't go arround floting that fact.
Hamptonshire
08-06-2005, 07:07
Statement from the Office of the Commander-General

At this time I have ordered elements from the Fourteenth and Sixtieth Fleet Squadrons to bolster Allied naval deployments in the waters surrounding Blue Garbage Cans. The Royal Navy shall be present only as a deterrent force, Hamptonian warships will only engage if fired upon. I, in conjunction with the Lord Protector, have placed the Royal Armed Forces in an increased alert level. Should we be forced to defend ourselves, the Royal Armed Forces will use all measures at their disposal to do so.


Lord Phillip Rosecrans
Commander-General of the Royal Armed Forces
Defense Minister
Grand Duchy of Hamptonshire
DontPissUsOff
08-06-2005, 12:33
The present "crisis" concerning Blue Garbage Cans and the various nations against her is by no means one where culpability is uniformly in the hands of the coalition against BGC; however, regardless of the allegedly "standard" response of McKagan and that nation's protestations that she bears no ill-will towards the nation of Blue Garbage Cans, the deployment of not inconsiderable naval assets to the vicinity and the belligerent tone adopted by McKagan (which has notably moderated since the arrival of our various companions of the Organisation of Maritime Powers) gives us reason to believe that the word of McKagan is not to be trusted. While our previous dealings with Leafanistan have been minimal, we are certain that the latter would be willing to negotiate a settlement to this unfortunate and potentially costly situation.

However, to guard against the possibilty of certain parties taking advantage of this hiatus for their own ends, a force of 2 CVBGs is being deployed to the area, to remain in international waters and prevent hostile action being undertaken if necessary. Note that these vessels will gladly act in self-defence if necessary.

- Foreign Minister A. Sch├╝tzer

OOC: CVBG =
1 Dragon class aircraft carrier
2 Soyuz/Frunze/Hunter class BBGNs
3 Boar class cruisers
6 Jackal class DDGs
4 Jackal class DDGs (ASW variant)
4 Akula-IV SSNs
3 Oscar-III SSGNs
Dostanuot Loj
08-06-2005, 13:32
Incident Response:
To: All Nations Involved

Let me start by saying that I am cncerned only by the harsh reactions by some of those involved.
Blatant threats of the use of certian unconventional weapons, including but not limited to nuclear and chemical weapons, have put my own government at an uneasy state. This incident is clearly a misunderstanding, and should be dealth with accordingly in a diplomatic fashion, not with nuclear and chemical weapons.
To this extent I wish to proclaim neutrality in this matter for the good of peace. However, if any nation involved were to use unconventional weapons, including but not limited to nuclear and chemical weapons, durring conflict (Be it the agressor, or defender), we will be forced to respond in kind.
I wish to stress that we will retaliate any unconventional attacks in methoed designed to cripple the offending nation by use of simmilar means, and will not become further involved unless such an action is taken.
I am positive that most, if not all, of the nations involved understand my reasoning for this, and understand that this is not a threat of agression, merely an effort to keep things under control.
Please, for the sake of all involved, work out a diplomatic and peaceful solution.

- Head of State, Dictator of Sumer,
Feild Marshal Peshtur Namtar
Skinny87
08-06-2005, 13:59
Grey House Private Statement

To: All Nations Involved

My fellow state leaders; Presidents, Premiers, Prime Ministers and Leaders, I have been following this situation with some trepidation for several days now, and I find myself seeing the beginnings of a possible international debacle the likes of which have not been seen for many years in the International Community.

As such, and hoping to prevent further bloodshed and conflict, as President of this Republic I declare our neutrality in the conflict; however, more importantly I call on all the involved leaders to suspend their actions and come to the capital city of this Republic, Dowland City, for a conference where a peaceful and long-lasting resolution can be created without the need for any further military or political action.

President Xavier Martin
Sarzonia
08-06-2005, 14:25
When any of our allies are attacked we mobilize fleets, that's no biggie.

Also, Algeristan, are you the dude with a population of 10 million? I thought you were another one of the 4.5 billion guys. I'm not going to fear your threats very much, y'know.[OOC: I'm sick and tired of people playing the population wank game. You don't automatically win jack squat by having a larger population. Asserting that you do is n00bish behaviour. And also, there's no need to explain OOCly what your IC intentions are unless someone asks you to clarify your IC intent.]

Official Statement, Incorporated Sarzonian Government

The Incorporated Sarzonian Government is appalled at the actions of both McKagan and Leafanistan and we strongly advise both countries to stand down from their ridiculous threats against Blue Garbage Cans.

We have mobilised our Eighth Fleet and it is setting off for international waters around McKagan, while the Ninth Fleet is mobilised and is setting off for international waters around Leafanistan. Both fleets are there to serve as observational forces and will not fire unless fired upon. However, should either Leafanistan or McKagan fire the first shot, retribution will be swift and severe.

You shall only receive one warning.

Grant Haffner
Deputy Senior Vice President and External Affairs Officer
Incorporated States of Sarzonia
McKagan
08-06-2005, 15:21
[OOC: I'm sick and tired of people playing the population wank game. You don't automatically win jack squat by having a larger population. Asserting that you do is n00bish behaviour. And also, there's no need to explain OOCly what your IC intentions are unless someone asks you to clarify your IC intent.]



And I'm sick and tired of people doing the same thing to me.
McKagan
08-06-2005, 15:24
Algeristan']

I do NOT consider my WMD to be godmodoing.

If I had said I had 2000 nuclear missiles and 10000 or so chemical weapons then that WOULD be godmoding.

But I feel I have stuck to realistic numbers, a few hundred for my nuclear and just over a thousand for my chemical.

Especially my chemical weapons, you don't need much money even for them.

I hope I don't ever have to use them on you, but to say you would ignore a WMD stike by me on you would allow me to say I could ignore a WMD strike by you on me. It would be pointless, beside you yourself admitited that your nation is also BELOW the pop. req. for WMDs yet you claim to have them!

I reconise your WMD ability, it's only fair that you do mine, given that I can afford it and my nation has Uranium fields and a Arms manufacturing industry.

CHECK MY NATON HOMEPAGE TO SEE FOR YOURSELF!

That's probably just from an issue you had, it'll go away in a few days.

I never said I had WMD's (I don't think) and if I did, I was wrong.

There ARE other ways to fight a war, you know. Most other people are the same way by WMD's.

Yesterday my budget stood at 8 billion for defence, now its 5 billion, thats due to changes in the economy from powerhouse to thriving and a lowering of taxation in my budget.

My defense budget was over 125 billion this morning, it went up last night. That said, you've got the rest of your economy thing there misworded.

Going from "powerhouse" to "thriving" is because the economy went down. It's just a matter of speech (and the way the UN states it.)

When I first joined I went down like that because of UN Resolution, but now it's going back up since I left the UN.
Sarzonia
08-06-2005, 15:28
And I'm sick and tired of people doing the same thing to me.OOC: But yet you do it to someone who's a 10 million population country? Doesn't that strike you as being hypocritical?
McKagan
08-06-2005, 15:30
OOC: But yet you do it to someone who's a 10 million population country? Doesn't that strike you as being hypocritical?

OOC: What's worse.

Someone with a population of near 70 million (not looked this morning) threatening military force against a 10 million person country.

or

Someone with a population of 4.something billion threatening someone with a population of near 70 million for protecting themselves?
Omz222
08-06-2005, 15:34
Someone with a population of 4.something billion threatening someone with a population of near 70 million for protecting themselves?
OOC: We are merely protecting the nation of Blue Garbage Cans, no matter what our population is (and I could care less about population anyways). If your government take it as a direct threat, then we'll be forced to assume that you do have imperalistic ambitions against Blue Garbage Cans.
McKagan
08-06-2005, 15:39
OOC: Ok, but I have a situation here. What if my ships are in theatre and Leafanistan decides to fire and when BGC's retaliates my ships are hit. When I return fire do you think i'm an imperialist then?
Halberdgardia
08-06-2005, 15:50
OOC: To all those nations choosing to side with BGC here, you do realize that this war exists only because BGC refused Leafanistan's perfectly accepable apology and declared war on Leafanistan, right? Just let Leafanistan annihilate the BGC military, and let them learn their lesson.
Sarzonia
08-06-2005, 15:53
OOC: To all those nations choosing to side with BGC here, you do realize that this war exists only because BGC refused Leafanistan's perfectly accepable apology and declared war on Leafanistan, right? Just let Leafanistan annihilate the BGC military, and let them learn their lesson.OOC: I wouldn't call an "apology" and chump change for "reparations" a perfectly acceptable apology for firing on a cruise liner. They were well within their rights to take action as the victimised party of a naked act of aggression.
McKagan
08-06-2005, 15:55
OOC: Next time they'll learn to place more than one radio on a cruise liner.
Isselmere
08-06-2005, 15:58
OOC: Next time they'll learn to place more than one radio on a cruise liner.
OOC: Well, then I suppose your nation -- should it involve itself in the dogpile on the smaller nation -- will learn how the reverse feels.
McKagan
08-06-2005, 16:27
OOC: Place more than one cruise liner on a radio?

What happened to larger nations not bullying others?
Sarzonia
08-06-2005, 16:32
OOC: Next time you'll learn not to bully smaller nations after a larger one kicks your head in and destroys your military to "teach you a lesson."
McKagan
08-06-2005, 16:39
Well aren't you just a regular hypocritical guy....
McKagan
08-06-2005, 16:50
OOC:

I'm not replying to anymore hypocritical statements, or the thread in general until Leafanistan comes back.
Sarzonia
08-06-2005, 16:57
OOC: What's worse.

Someone with a population of near 70 million (not looked this morning) threatening military force against a 10 million person country.

or

Someone with a population of 4.something billion threatening someone with a population of near 70 million for protecting themselves?OOC: If we both "transgressed," you can't say which one is worse since both parties are supposedly guilty of the same crime. However, you more than likely wouldn't have had to face off against three- and four-billion population countries like Isselmere-Nieland, DPUO, or Omz222 if you hadn't started bullying Blue Garbage Cans and others first. So don't come crying to me or anyone else about hypocrisy when you have shown it in your own posts and demonstrated it by your own actions.
Isselmere
08-06-2005, 17:13
OOC: Place more than one cruise liner on a radio?
OOC: Your wit is egregious.

And I doubt that coming to the aid of a smaller nation threatened by a combination of slightly larger nations could be considered "hypocrisy". I and the other nations are protecting Blue Garbage Cans against dogpile tactics. Had this remained a Leafanistan - Blue Garbage Cans conflict, I would have seen little reason to involve myself.
[NS]Algeristan
08-06-2005, 17:48
Message from the office of the Presidency of the Holy Republic of Algeristan

To: Halbergardia, Leafanistan and Mckagan

This conflict is escelating and soon the guns could start firing!

Whilst our nation has stated our WMD capacity, Algeristan HAS NO INTENTION OF USING WMD IN THIS CONFLICT.

Algeristan simply stated it's WMD strength for the purpose of highlighting how BAD this conflict could get if things were to get out of control and if nations do not give dialogue a chance.

We must all be responsible in our actions.

Algeristan will ONLY defend BGCs if her nation's land is under attack or her government is about to be overthrown by hostile powers and our nation WILL ONLY DEFEND BGCs WITH CONVENTIONAL WEAPONS AND COMBAT.

We only seek to prevent BGCs becoming a colony/protectorate of a foreign power, whoever that may be!

I hope this will clarify the Algeristani position and that our nation will NEVER strike first against any of your nations and ONLY support BGCs if her national soil or government are under attack by ANY nation.

To: All concerned nations

Diplomats and officials of the Holy Republic of Algeristan have declared their membership of a Algeristani government initiative to restore dialogue and stop this war.

The Holy Republic of Algeristan has announced the creation of the Leafanistan-BGC Settlement Committee (L-BGC-SC).

The policy of the L-BGC-SC is as follows:

1.) To ensure that ALL invloved nations are to resume dialogue and to refrain from action UNLESS in self defence, so as to give the process of dialogue a chance.

2.) To allow for a proper explination of why the Majestic incident took place and how it can be prevented in the future.

3.) To ensure that BOTH nations offer MEANINGFULL apologies to each other and to ensure that both nations ensure that their differences can be resolved peacefully.

4.) That all nations that support both BGC and Leafanistan keep their naval forces in the national waters of their allies and that no naval forces of one side venture towards the other, this is vital to prevent any further incidents that could cause more fighting and a loss of life.

5.) If BGC accepts these proposals and retracts her declaration of war on Leafanistan, Algeristan will pay 2 BILLION USD to BGC for the loss of her people in the Majestic incident.

6.) Leafanistan must put forward a plan to reform her naval response to ensure that other nations do not have their civilian liners attacked by a tragic mistake.

Algeristan hopes that both sides can agree to this framework and that common sense can prevail on both sides.

May Allah bless all who work for the right outcome.

From the President of the Holy Republic of Algeristan

Sayeed al Bakr
McKagan
08-06-2005, 17:54
We'll support Algeristan's basic principals; and we're sorry for the overly hostile response last night.

We're sending in a DDX (finished design) to the waters off BGC's coast (international waters, no closer) and removing all our fleets from the theatre.

Although we do not wish to see the removal of naval officers, we do have the following idea.

Leafanistan's Navy should be forced to write a well layed out protocol on how to deal with ships in that situation, and then present it to the international community (meaning the nations involved in this thread.)

We're also taking a more neutral stance. Whereas we'll return fire on any forces that act first.
Blue Garbage Cans
08-06-2005, 19:11
OOC: OK im sorry, but obviously I missed a lot so if someone can update me on what's going on, it will be appreciated.
McKagan
08-06-2005, 19:23
OOC: I launched fleets to destroy you. Then it was bogged down when several multi billion people nations said it was dogpilling.

Now your country is surrounded with international peacekeeping forces, including mine.
[NS]Algeristan
08-06-2005, 20:14
Message from the office of the Presidency of the Holy Republic of Algeristan

To: McKagan

Algeristan praises your well thought out response and your firm desire to resolve this conflict through dialogue.

All of your changes in policy regarding your involvement in this conflict have been met with a warm response from the Algeristani government and President Bakr salutes the courage of your nation and your firm desire to resolve this issue by peaceful means.

Algeristan is in agreement with McKagan on the need for Leafanistan to reform it's chain of command, to prevent Leafanistani military personnel making life or death decisions without the authority and knowledge of the Leafanistani government and executive.

Many nations past have been sucked into unwanted conflicts due to their military personnel taking action without their respective governments authority.

Algeristan has a policy that in peacetime, the executive has total control over all decision making and thus we strive to avoid mistakes like the Majestic incident.

Algeristan would be able to, should Leafanistan and BGC agree to it, provide both nations with communication technology and advise them on how to set up an intergrated chain of command, in order fro both nations to posses the ability to make the correct decisions without time delays and thus keeping both nations ability their effective defence mechanisms.

On another note, what is McKagan's policy regarding trade ships who trade via BGC ports? I hope McKagan has not put up an economic blockade.

From the President of the Holy Republic of Leafanistan

Sayeed al Bakr
McKagan
08-06-2005, 20:25
We believe that Leafanistan does have an intregated chain of command. Although this may or may not be true, the whole idea of how to deal with civilian ships in this situation needs to be looked at.

On top of that, we put forth the following idea. After the proposal on how to deal with this type of situation is complete; the crew be subjected to the punishment that they would be subjected to if the proposal was in place at the time of the incident.

While the DDX Destroyer, RMV Slither, is in the area, we aren't approaching any civilian transports bound to or from BGC's ports citys. However, we are monitering and patroling the shipping lanes that are nearest to the other fleets just to provide increased security to the area.
Flightopia
08-06-2005, 20:33
Ok, as a show of good faith I will pull back one of my carrier groups and move the other farther into interantional waters. My military will also lower it's alert status. I hope others do the same.
McKagan
08-06-2005, 20:35
Our alert level is moderate at the moment, but cannot be lowered because a nation with over a billion people threatened us.

Once those threats are removed, the alert status will fall.
Leafanistan
09-06-2005, 02:16
The Incorporated Sarzonian Government is appalled at the actions of both McKagan and Leafanistan and we strongly advise both countries to stand down from their ridiculous threats against Blue Garbage Cans.

And everyone assumes while I'm gone that Naval staff aren't being punished? Leafanistan is appalled at needless death. The death penalty is banned in Leafanistan and we are going through the standard procedure for firing upon a civilian vessel. The Captains of the frigates who ordered the firing WITHOUT informing FleetCom is standard practice when a threat is imminent. Needless to say Red Brigade terrorist activities along with Holy Jihad activities have shaken up military personnel. We've seen the Red Brigade use nuclear weapons to further their means, we have seen the Holy Jihad, ram cars into our kindergardens to further their means. It is understandable that a (with terrorism practically as often as in Israel a few years ago) country with this level of international terrorism takes such a paranoid step. We've lost over 100 men to "fishing boats" in an incident with Saharistan. We are truly sorry that people had to die, and the naval staff responsible have been demoted, and will be doing galley duty for the rest of their concievable career.

However, Leafanistan seeing such a large (dogpile! h4x!) threat approaching will not let itself be overwhelmed. We respect the actions of our bretheren in McKagan and Halberdgardia and are currently mobilzing Destroyer Task-Forces in the area. As of this moment 2 Nimitz-class aircraft carriers and their escort fleets are leaving port to being patrols.

Mobilized:
120 Bravo-class Destroyers
212 Skate-class Frigates
114 Snake-class Attack subs
2 Carrier battle groups
1 Superdreadnought battle group with 2 carriers as escort

All on Patrol duty in Leafanistani waters

However this is only in self-defense. As of this moment we are trying to establish relations with Blue Garbage Cans and to have them take responsibility for the airplane incident and to further make reperations for the accident involving the cruise liner: "Majestic".
Leafanistan
09-06-2005, 02:27
One thing about Leafanistani central command or FleetCom. Last time a battle group relied on FleetCom on how to deal with everything, we lost hundreds of men due to terrorism. Terrroist attacks have been damaging power plants and hackers have disrupted satellite communication. Ultraviolet Direct-line of sight LASER contacts are very limited, and our fleets have been told to act with autonomy to a certain level. However we are not condoning the action of these captains. As said before, they are going to be court-martialed and demoted to galley work for the rest of their careers. However there is no need to needlessly fire skilled personnel from our navy. We've had another situation. One of the captains of the GRLS Duration tried to commit suicide, he's in a hospital in critical condition. We are sedating the other captains and keeping them under close guard so they can at least stand trial. However, Leafanistan will not take orders from other countries and will deal with these officiers in our own national courts.

As of this moment we do not acknowledge Blue Garbage Can's declaration of war. However if their military fires on us, on our soverign territory we shall have no choice but to defend ourselves.
Sarzonia
09-06-2005, 02:34
Official Statement, Incorporated Sarzonian Government

We find your so-called explanation of your naval officers' aberrant actions to be a wasteful exercise in attempting to justify the indefensible. One cruise liner would not have posed even the slightest threat to a Glorious-class superdreadnought, let alone a fleet of warships.

Until we see irrefutable evidence of your government making a legitimate attempt to bring a peaceful end to this tragic series of events, we will consider your government a threat to peace. As a result, we have announced a prohibition of trade with your rouge band of ruffians. As of now, no Sarzonian company may commit to any financial transactions with the governments or the people of Leafanistan or McKagan.

Grant Haffner
Deputy Senior Vice President and External Affairs Officer
Leafanistan
09-06-2005, 02:40
You don't understand. While a superdreadnought is powerful, a nuclear f'ing warhead in the side is going to sink it. We've seen the Red Brigade use nuclear weapons, we've seen the horrors they perpetuate.

In response to that, I have not started hostilities. Blue Garbage Cans has declared war on me. I will not respond with a counter-declaration, we shall sit here and negotiate with Blue Garbage Cans via TG and IC in II, if we are fired upon at any point, we shall defend ourselves.

OOC: What do you want me to do with Naval officiers that have fired upon cruise liners?
McKagan
09-06-2005, 02:43
Oh no, economic blockade... we're going to run out of post-it notes!

jk... JUST KIDDING!

On, read our last statements. McKagan has 1 ship in the theatre, and we've took a different stance, what more do you want us to do?
Leafanistan
09-06-2005, 02:48
Until we see irrefutable evidence of your government making a legitimate attempt to bring a peaceful end to this tragic series of events, we will consider your government a threat to peace. As a result, we have announced a prohibition of trade with your rouge band of ruffians. As of now, no Sarzonian company may commit to any financial transactions with the governments or the people of Leafanistan or McKagan.

Well, what would you like us to say? How about you tell Blue Garbage Cans to cool it too and retract the declaration of war. Or do your economic sanctions only extend to countries that defend themselves?
Leafanistan
09-06-2005, 02:53
I recall one person that demands that Blue Garbage Can retract the declaration of war. Everyone else attacks us, a coalition of countries with no other external interests besides mutual defense. I've mobilized a defense fleet. McKagan has mobilized one ship to keep an eye on things. Halberdgardia has promised me troops to assist just in case of the worst. And Blue Garbage Can declares war on me. I may be a bit dense but, wtf?
McKagan
09-06-2005, 02:57
It's hypocritical, I already called them on it.

If a group of allies (we were allies before this, BTW) bands together to fight a nation that declared war on us it's wrong.

But if a coalition of nations with about 6 billion threatens us even when we're trying to take the peaceful road out it's perfectly ok.

I've shown a great deal of restraint, I was going to carpet bomb him just like we did in Saharistan.
Leafanistan
09-06-2005, 02:58
It's hypocritical, I already called them on it.

If a group of allies (we were allies before this, BTW) bands together to fight a nation that declared war on us it's wrong.

But if a coalition of nations with about 6 billion threatens us even when we're trying to take the peaceful road out it's perfectly ok.

I've shown a great deal of restraint, I was going to carpet bomb him just like we did in Saharistan.

Damnit man, Saharistan nuked us, wait until something happens. Well ignore the airplane he hijacked. But wait for someone to blink, if necessary we can put K504 into use.
McKagan
09-06-2005, 03:02
I know... I was a little antsy last night. I was ready to go, I mobilized like, a huge fleet.

If K504 comes into this though, i'll take everything every non SATA nation in this conversation has, though!
Leafanistan
09-06-2005, 03:04
I know... I was a little antsy last night. I was ready to go, I mobilized like, a huge fleet.

If K504 comes into this though, i'll take everything every non SATA nation in this conversation has, though!

Damnit man, we aren't imperialists (I love saying DAMNIT MAN/WOMAN!), I sincerly do not want K504 to come to this use.
Sarzonia
09-06-2005, 03:07
Official Statement, Incorporated Sarzonian Government

Your repeated statements that you are "defending yourselves" against one small country with a miniscule military border on the comical. We suggest you ask Blue Garbage Cans to determine the level of reparations they believe would be appropriate.

We will call upon Blue Garbage Cans to rescind their declaration of war once your nations remove your military threats against them and they inform us that they believe that you have acted in good faith to end these tensions.

We emphasize that we are sending our fleets to international waters surrounding your respective countries to ensure that your governments are making honest efforts to ensure peace. We have no intentions of interfering with your nations' imports or exports to other countries. However, we are enacting our economic sanctions to prevent trade between Sarzonia and each of your countries. It is not a naval blockade.

Grant Haffner
Deputy Senior Vice President and External Affairs Officer
McKagan
09-06-2005, 03:09
I know that, but my military budget had gone up a little and I had all sorts of good ideas.

I don't want Contraband to come into this either. It's not just 100% battle ready. Besides, I've not got a crew together yet. I've 250 positions to feel and 150 people minus a Marine battallion, do you want to send some people?
Pacitalia
09-06-2005, 03:11
Official Emergency Statement of the Government of Pacitalia

Be it known that we hereby support our allies in Sarzonia, Isselmere and the Omzian Democratic Republic, and thusly the nation of Blue Garbage Cans. Be it further known that we are repulsed and disgusted by the arrogant terrorist actions of the putrid, amphident, hypocritical nation known as McKagan.

We accept that it was not the principled decision of McKagan to involve themselves in this war, and that said involvement violates the subjugation laws of international marine standards conventions. The act of war against Blue Garbage Cans will not be tolerated, either.

Be it known that the Pacitalian Naval Forces and Special Attack Force Delta are an increased alert stage at this instant, and are ready to mobilise. We suggest to the nation of McKagan that it is in their best interest, along with their equally putrescent, arrogant terrorist friends in Leafanistan, that it is a good idea to back off before the incident heats up too much to be stopped.

Signed,
Timothy Ell, Prime Minister
Dr. Adrian Copilul-Minune, Senior Deputy Prime Minister

[ OOC: McKagan, I noticed you're flamebaiting. It's a good idea to stop before you're reported to the mods by someone, trust me. ]
McKagan
09-06-2005, 03:12
Sarzonia,

I've got one ship in the theatre, and I post no threat (actually read my post where I changed my stance.)

While your ships are in international waters, I believe it's pointless that you pressure me into easing tensions while I am causing NO tensions.
HailandKill
09-06-2005, 03:12
It's hypocritical, I already called them on it.

If a group of allies (we were allies before this, BTW) bands together to fight a nation that declared war on us it's wrong.

But if a coalition of nations with about 6 billion threatens us even when we're trying to take the peaceful road out it's perfectly ok.

I've shown a great deal of restraint, I was going to carpet bomb him just like we did in Saharistan.


OUT OF CHARACTER!!!!
This hasnt turned into saharistan (thank god) and the only insane country id be worried about would be the one who stated they had 1300 hundred weapons (Godmodding because small nations with small budgets cannot rele upkeep them all but he was flamed enough so ill stop). If BGC is going to delcare war and wage it against a larger nation he has to deal with the consequences so why is everone flipping. Especially since everyone is trying for peace and now other nations are declaring peace boats as threats...WTF?
Im watching this thread and if its a shooting war i got your back leafanistan.
Leafanistan
09-06-2005, 03:13
We will call upon Blue Garbage Cans to rescind their declaration of war once your nations remove your military threats against them and they inform us that they believe that you have acted in good faith to end these tensions.

Neither nation has made any military threat. We've neither stationed ships outside their waters, launched aircraft, even declared any sort of agression. All we have done is increase our patrol levels, 10 fold, war isn't about playing fair and quiet, if we have to defend ourselves, I want us to have the full advantage of having a huge navy mobilized. But all the ships Leafanistan has put up, are still in Leafanistani waters and will continue patrol within Leafanistani waters. The 200 million is a preliminary reperation, if BGC simply ASKED for more instead of declaring war, we would have complied. We also ask that you remove the statement "rouge band of ruffians", we find it offensive, as Leafanistan has participated in nothing but defending itself and nations under mutual aid pacts.
McKagan
09-06-2005, 03:17
This hasnt turned into saharistan (thank god) and the only insane country id be worried about would be the one who stated they had 1300 hundred weapons (Godmodding because small nations with small budgets cannot rele upkeep them all but he was flamed enough so ill stop). If BGC is going to delcare war and wage it against a larger nation he has to deal with the consequences so why is everone flipping. Especially since everyone is trying for peace and now other nations are declaring peace boats as threats...WTF?
Im watching this thread and if its a shooting war i got your back leafanistan.

I told him the nukes thing was wrong. He has NO idea how to play the game.

I find it funny that the ignorance in some countries is running so high that a destroyer in international waters is being called terrorists.

Hey, if I'm a terrorist, I'll start issuing the breifcase nukes now! [/endsarcasm]
Leafanistan
09-06-2005, 03:18
Official Emergency Statement of the Government of Pacitalia

Be it known that we hereby support our allies in Sarzonia, Isselmere and the Omzian Democratic Republic, and thusly the nation of Blue Garbage Cans. Be it further known that we are repulsed and disgusted by the arrogant terrorist actions of the putrid, amphident, hypocritical nation known as McKagan.

We accept that it was not the principled decision of McKagan to involve themselves in this war, and that said involvement violates the subjugation laws of international marine standards conventions. The act of war against Blue Garbage Cans will not be tolerated, either.

Be it known that the Pacitalian Naval Forces and Special Attack Force Delta are an increased alert stage at this instant, and are ready to mobilise. We suggest to the nation of McKagan that it is in their best interest, along with their equally putrescent, arrogant terrorist friends in Leafanistan, that it is a good idea to back off before the incident heats up too much to be stopped.

Signed,
Timothy Ell, Prime Minister
Dr. Adrian Copilul-Minune, Senior Deputy Prime Minister

[ OOC: McKagan, I noticed you're flamebaiting. It's a good idea to stop before you're reported to the mods by someone, trust me. ]


We ask that you remove the offensive parts of your statements against Leafanistan and McKagan, McKagan is part of a mutual defense pact with me, and he is coming to my aid as required by this treaty, which is very honorable. He has one ship in the theatre, I have mobilized hundreds, in my own waters. Though it is overkill for such a small nation, I don't want a single destroyer to be caught outgunned, so 'better safe than sorry'.

Also "back off"? Niether of us has declared war. If you read the thread clearly, McKagan has come to my aid, I'm trying to establish peace negotiations, and BGC the person you are defending? He has declared war. Another nation has implied his threat of WMDs. Excuse me if I feel a little upset at this situation and its blinding irony.
Pacitalia
09-06-2005, 03:18
I told him the nukes thing was wrong. He has NO idea how to play the game.

I find it funny that the ignorance in some countries is running so high that a destroyer in international waters is being called terrorists.

Hey, if I'm a terrorist, I'll start issuing the breifcase nukes now! [/endsarcasm]

[ OOC: Did I not just say to stop flamebaiting? Stop while you still have a chance to walk away unscathed. ]
Pacitalia
09-06-2005, 03:20
-snip-

The Pacitalian government could honestly care less if you are in a mutual defence pact with McKagan, it changes nothing of our opinion. We will remove no parts of our statement, have no plan to do so in the immediate future, and have no fear in backing them up further with the "blinding[ly] iron[ic]" hypocrisy of your coalition. 'Back off' simply refers to our desire to see an easing of tensions if at all possible.

Timothy Ell
Prime Minister
Sarzonia
09-06-2005, 03:25
I told him the nukes thing was wrong. He has NO idea how to play the game.

I find it funny that the ignorance in some countries is running so high that a destroyer in international waters is being called terrorists.[OOC: And you're some NS expert when you go and population wank? Give me a break.

You attempt to justify dogpiling an eight million population country after one of you committed an act of war by firing on their civilians by complaining about someone else dogpiling you, then when it's pointed out to you that your actions are hypocritical, you call me a hypocrite, which is a personal attack when I have taken great pains to attack your ACTIONS without attacking you personally.

With the kind of attitude you've been displaying throughout this RP, I'm not going to want to RP with you again after this thread.]
HailandKill
09-06-2005, 03:26
OOC: Ok seriously this is getting outta hand over something that could of been easily settled. Hehe McKagan i agree with you on that.

IC:
===Message from the presidential office of HailandKill===
In seeing the recent escalation of events concerning Blue Garbage Cans and Leafanistan over something that, in the large scale of things and my personal opinion is trivial, we wish to host peace talks to try and resolve this issue. Total, large scale war over this issue would result in countless deaths and involvement of many nations leading to large scale destruction. We do not want to see a war over something that can be solved here and soon. All leaders of nations are invited. We urge and hope that all nations will sit down at these talks to resolve this issue and prevent the loss of life.
-Signed- President Revello, HailandKill
McKagan
09-06-2005, 03:26
You're calling us an hypocrite because we are defending ourselves from your fleet?

What part about that is a bright decision?
Pacitalia
09-06-2005, 03:28
OOC: Bullying a small nation with basically no chance of even putting up a thimble of defence against you is terrorism. At least, in my books, it is. I don't know about my allies here.
McKagan
09-06-2005, 03:29
[OOC: And you're some NS expert when you go and population wank? Give me a break.

You attempt to justify dogpiling an eight million population country after one of you committed an act of war by firing on their civilians by complaining about someone else dogpiling you, then when it's pointed out to you that your actions are hypocritical, you call me a hypocrite, which is a personal attack when I have taken great pains to attack your ACTIONS without attacking you personally.

With the kind of attitude you've been displaying throughout this RP, I'm not going to want to RP with you again after this thread.]

So it's not population wanking when you use your 2 billion + population to influence me?

I'll say it again, hypocritical.
McKagan
09-06-2005, 03:30
OOC: Bullying a small nation with basically no chance of even putting up a thimble of defence against you is terrorism. At least, in my books, it is. I don't know about my allies here.

And that's exactly what you're doing.
Pacitalia
09-06-2005, 03:30
-snip-

We refuse. You have publicly displayed your support for the opposing side in this conflict, and we do not wish to send diplomats to a nation that, under a threat assessment by PSAT and PCIC is a heavy risk for any of our citizens and diplomats. We cannot accept any guarantees of safety from a nation we have never learned to trust. We feel the same even with the supposedly genuine signature attached.

Timothy Ell
Prime Minister
Leafanistan
09-06-2005, 03:32
OOC: Ok seriously this is getting outta hand over something that could of been easily settled. Hehe McKagan i agree with you on that.

IC:
===Message from the presidential office of HailandKill===
In seeing the recent escalation of events concerning Blue Garbage Cans and Leafanistan over something that, in the large scale of things and my personal opinion is trivial, we wish to host peace talks to try and resolve this issue. Total, large scale war over this issue would result in countless deaths and involvement of many nations leading to large scale destruction. We do not want to see a war over something that can be solved here and soon. All leaders of nations are invited. We urge and hope that all nations will sit down at these talks to resolve this issue and prevent the loss of life.
-Signed- President Revello, HailandKill

Thank you, we accept your request and are flying over 2 delegates from our nation.

OOC: Every other nation: Where did you come from? I understand a few of you guys as being brothers in arms, but everyone else... Reminds me of the US barging in on others affairs.
Pacitalia
09-06-2005, 03:32
And that's exactly what you're doing.

He can use his population however he wants. I don't see him changing his population in order to intimidate you, thus it's not popwanking. Far from it, in fact.

You have got to be kidding me. Do you honestly think that we're terrorists. We're defending a small, indefensible nation from being slaughtered mercilessly by you. It's not terrorism. It's defence of freedom. Again, there's a difference.
Pacitalia
09-06-2005, 03:33
Thank you, we accept your request and are flying over 2 delegates from our nation.

OOC: Every other nation: Where did you come from? I understand a few of you guys as being brothers in arms, but everyone else... Reminds me of the US barging in on others affairs.

The larger nations (Omz, Isselmere, Sarzonia and I) are all allies either/both in or out of the Organisation of Maritime Powers. Mutual defence and protection of indefensible nations is the reason for our involvement.
McKagan
09-06-2005, 03:34
That's what I was thinking.

This was strictly between SATA and BGC.

Next time I suggest closing the thread.

IC: We'll send in 3 delegates, if we're wanted.
McKagan
09-06-2005, 03:36
You have got to be kidding me. Do you honestly think that we're terrorists. We're defending a small, indefensible nation from being slaughtered mercilessly by you. It's not terrorism. It's defence of freedom. Again, there's a difference.

So just because he's small he's allowed to run about declaring war on nations 10 times his size and get away with it?
Pacitalia
09-06-2005, 03:36
That's what I was thinking.

This was strictly between SATA and BGC.

Next time I suggest closing the thread.

IC: We'll send in 3 delegates, if we're wanted.

OOC: Yes, that might be a good idea. Instead, you find yourself at a terrible disadvantage both IC and OOC, wherein you are a candidate for being reported to the mods for your arrogance and insulting behaviour.
Pacitalia
09-06-2005, 03:38
So just because he's small he's allowed to run about declaring war on nations 10 times his size and get away with it?

OOC: He has a reason to declare war on you. You attacked someone who can't defend themselves. What did you expect would happen, especially since you didn't make it a closed RP?
Leafanistan
09-06-2005, 03:38
That's what I was thinking.

This was strictly between SATA and BGC.

Next time I suggest closing the thread.

IC: We'll send in 3 delegates, if we're wanted.

OOC: Actually this was between McKagan, I/royal We, and BGC. Still its kinda odd that all these people are coming to his defense when he didn't ask for it. Seriously, where do you come from; the woodwork, that cabinet over there, possibly that window over there, or maybe this outlet (licks outlet, ZAP!), whee!
McKagan
09-06-2005, 03:39
@That one dude i'm arguing with. (sorry, I didn't quote you and someone got a post between us)

I'm not going to waste my time explaining to you why you're being a hypocrite with that post.
Leafanistan
09-06-2005, 03:40
OOC: He has a reason to declare war on you. You attacked someone who can't defend themselves. What did you expect would happen, especially since you didn't make it a closed RP?

Actually I find his reason deplorable. I sink a cruise liner by accident, I apologize and try to initiate negotiations. He declares war. McKagan stations ships to defend me in case of invasion, because neither of us has imperial desires, (well McKagan has a bit but K504 should sastify him when it gets up to full spin), and we were waiting to be attacked or invaded by said small nation. It is not that he can't defend himself. He probably can't against someone our size, but its just that he is attacking, what am I supposed to do. Let his troops walk into the capital?
HailandKill
09-06-2005, 03:41
We refuse. You have publicly displayed your support for the opposing side in this conflict, and we do not wish to send diplomats to a nation that, under a threat assessment by PSAT and PCIC is a heavy risk for any of our citizens and diplomats. We cannot accept any guarantees of safety from a nation we have never learned to trust. We feel the same even with the supposedly genuine signature attached.

Timothy Ell
Prime Minister

OOC:
I showed support in an OOC comment. I am sorry if that wasnt made obviously clear. It was tottally OOC...

IC:
Leafanistan you are cleared to land in the capital airport. Instructions will be given upon arrival. We thank you for helping in the peace process.
Leafanistan
09-06-2005, 03:42
OOC:
I showed support in an OOC comment. I am sorry if that wasnt made obviously clear. It was tottally OOC...

IC:
Leafanistan you are cleared to land in the capital airport. Instructions will be given upon arrival. We thank you for helping in the peace process.

No thank you.
[NS]Algeristan
09-06-2005, 03:43
To: HailandKill

(OCC)HailandKill, my nation (Algeristan) has just boosted military spending and our defence budget is now at 10 BILLION USD.

You claim our nation cannot afford this, wrong, our defence budget is large enough to cover 1300 chemical weapons. Many RL nations have SMALLER budgets than 10 BILLION USD and they DO have WMDs.

As for the population thing, I would of thought it common sense for a smaller population nation to have WMDs as WMDs give you a military advantage WITHOUT being to great a strain on manpower as opposed to a larger conventional military force.

Besides Algeristan has stated (McKagan will back me up here) that we will NEVER use WMDs in this war, our WMDs are for those who use them on our nation FIRST ONLY!

You can have whatever opinion you want on this, I stand by what I have said.

I also take offence to you describing Algeristan as 'insane'.

Algeristan has been the ONLY nation up until your offer that has tried to use DIALOGUE as opposed to force for both sides. Algeristan has already set up a committee to help Leafanistan and BGC resolve their differences and McKagan (Ask him if you don't trust me) has taken a more passive and less overtly hostile stance due to Algeristani declarations for a peaceful solution.

Out of all the nations that are beating the drums of war, Algeristan has tried to work for peace. We simply stated our WMD status for the purpose of showing all nations that this is not some small sideshow that can be won quickly but that it has the potential to end up being a destructive and stupid war.

Algeristan again states her desire for a peaceful solution and for dialogue to start between Leafanistan and BGC.

I take offence, HailandKill, that our nation works for peace and yet you label Algeristan 'insane', retract your satement and give that label to the other nations which are adopting an aggressive and anti-peace stance!
McKagan
09-06-2005, 03:43
Yeah,

It's not like I'm going to go in and drop the 27th Tac Wing into his capital.

I deployed fleets to protect both nations incase of an invasion.

Yet all I see from the larger nations is that we're supposed to let him defeat us because he's small.
Sarzonia
09-06-2005, 03:45
Official Statement, Incorporated Sarzonian Goverment

We will not send a single delegate to HailandKill since they have demonstrated their support for Leafanistan and McKagan. We believe the governments of Leafanistan and McKagan have shown themselves to be incapable of grasping the simplest basics of international diplomacy.

Sarzonia and her allies became involved when the rogue terrorists who run both so-called governments saw fit to threaten a country with a miltiary that would have stood no chance of defending itself against their naked acts of aggression. Then they saw fit to attempt to warp the truth and claim that we were being aggressive toward them and attempted to use that as justification for their actions.

We are continually stunned by the extent of hypocrisy on the part of both governments.

Nicole Lewis
Lieutenant President
Incorporated States of Sarzonia
Leafanistan
09-06-2005, 03:45
Yeah,

It's not like I'm going to go in and drop the 27th Tac Wing into his capital.

I deployed fleets to protect both nations incase of an invasion.

Yet all I see from the larger nations is that we're supposed to let him defeat us because he's small.

We are totally leaving as fast as we possibly can when K504 and the other "projects" are finished. Perhaps then other nations can stop meddling in our private affairs.
McKagan
09-06-2005, 03:45
OOC: Seriously dude, almost everyone here considers it godmodding if young nations use WMD's. Although I have been guilty of listing nukes as part of one of my subs compliments, I've never used them to force anyone to do anything.
Leafanistan
09-06-2005, 03:46
OOC: Seriously dude, almost everyone here considers it godmodding if young nations use WMD's. Although I have been guilty of listing nukes as part of one of my subs compliments, I've never used them to force anyone to do anything.

Damnit man, let him have his nukes, he is just pointing out that if anything, if we start using the big guns, he'll have to chip into the pile. I say that is rather honorable, good use of deterrants.
McKagan
09-06-2005, 03:47
We are totally leaving as fast as we possibly can when K504 and the other "projects" are finished. Perhaps then other nations can stop meddling in our private affairs.

I'm still going to keep a forward presense here, though.

That way once all of that starts we can put it all on the line and then "suddenly disappear."
McKagan
09-06-2005, 03:48
Damnit man, let him have his nukes, he is just pointing out that if anything, if we start using the big guns, he'll have to chip into the pile. I say that is rather honorable, good use of deterrants.

I know. But if he gets nukes... that means I can, for once, say I have a nuclear arsonel!

K504 is going to have a little... "upgrade" now...
Leafanistan
09-06-2005, 03:51
I know. But if he gets nukes... that means I can, for once, say I have a nuclear arsonel!

K504 is going to have a little... "upgrade" now...

Oh wonderful, I presume we are going to need more coils then.
Devon Land
09-06-2005, 03:51
The Republic of Devon Land supports a peaceful resolution between the Nations of Leafanisgtan and Blue Garbage Cans, and will remain neutral in this conflict.

The Republic of Devon Land recommends the court marshalling or discharge of the officer that ordered the attack on the BGC Cruiser in the interests of peace.
HailandKill
09-06-2005, 03:52
OOC:
Ok for Christ sake the support comment was OOC. So IC i am supporting peace for this conflict. Seriously it was TOTALLY OOC, so i ask that everyone consider that support comment was OOC before flaming me.

Algeristan, again that was OOC, but i just hate nukes and chem weapons so of course im going to get a little mad. Ive calmed down and as long as the WMDS arent gonna be used i rectract my insult.
McKagan
09-06-2005, 03:54
Oh wonderful, I presume we are going to need more coils then.

I wouldn't think so. The thing is rated for the nukes plus a fighter wing, and we don't have anything that can operate in that "theatre", so it doesn't really matter much.
[NS]Algeristan
09-06-2005, 03:56
McKagan, as a young nation, Algeristan has NO DESIRE to use WMDs and our nation has a policy of ONLY using them if we are attacked by WMDs.

I will not, repeat, NOT use WMDs in this conflict.

My nation is small in size and people, so if I were to use my WMDs on you, I would be commiting suicide as my nation at this moment in time CANNOT survive a WMD attack, espc. nuclear.

Algeristan want to have a change to grow, develope and prosper and therefore I would NEVER put my nations very existence into the firing line.

I simply stated my WMD status to put off any potential aggressors who have a desire to occupy Algeristan.

Algeristan does NOT believe that WMDs shuold be used in an offensive capacity.

If my nation were to ever get into this war, Algeristan WILL FIGHT WITH CONVENTIONAL WEAPONS.

I aim to build up my WMD strength, not see Algeristan's small amount of WMDs being used up in a conflict so early on in our nations existence.

I hope this helps to clear up any confusion about all of this.
McKagan
09-06-2005, 04:00
Well if you fired a nuke at us we have something that's more efficent to fire back.

A virus that, out of the body for more than 3 hours dies. Think of "Dawn of the Dead" crossed with Season 3 of 24.

People cough up blood for a few days, die a painful death and spread the virus to others, and then come back as a zombie to ravage the poor bastards that are still alive.

The zombies die after a few days of "resurrection," and the virus inside them dies. Then the enemy country and equipment are free to be occupied.
Blue Garbage Cans
09-06-2005, 04:03
Thank you, we accept your request and are flying over 2 delegates from our nation.

OOC: Every other nation: Where did you come from? I understand a few of you guys as being brothers in arms, but everyone else... Reminds me of the US barging in on others affairs.

OOC: lol

IC: The country of Blue Garbage Cans also accepts your offer of trying to make peace because obviously this war is getting out of hand. As Leafanistan did, we will also send two of our delegates to your nation and try to work this out.
[NS]Algeristan
09-06-2005, 04:04
Algeristan respects ALL nations soveriegnty and therefore we respect McKagan's right to posses these bio weapons. Algeristan will NEVER tout the liberal BS about 'non-prolifiration' etc...

HOWEVER MCKAGAN, WE WILL NOT USE WMDS UNLESS ATTACKED FIRST BY WMDS, SO I THINK WE BOTH KNOW THAT WE WILL NEVER HAVE TO GO DOWN THIS ROUTE!
Sarzonia
09-06-2005, 04:06
Rear Admiral Joe Collins glared at the tactical display from his seat in the situation room of the Eighth Fleet flagship ISS Cumberland. The Brandywine-class dreadnaught knifed through the waters in its position toward the rear of the Eighth Fleet, while the ISS Potomac under Rear Admiral Karen Davies commanded the Ninth Fleet and studied it with a look of consternation.

"Seems there's a lot of jabbering about a K504 of some kind," Davies said. "Get me Navy Command and Admiral Collins on the secure lines."

"Aye, sir. You're on Admiral."

"This is Rear Admiral Karen Davies aboard the ISS Potomac. We've been monitoring some chatter from both McKagan and Leafanistan about some sort of K504 weapon. We have reason to suspect that it is some nuclear weapon or orbital weapons system. I suggest you get our space borne assets ready and increase aerial patrols."

"Acknowledged," Vice President for Naval Operations Kathy Bunhall and Collins both said in unison. Aircraft from both dreadnaughts took off and began patrols of the international waters the Sarzonian ships were patrolling, while Sarzonian aircraft stepped up patrols of their coastline.

"While we're at it, let's see if we can monitor their communications and figure out where their satellites are and knock them out of the sky."

"Got it," Bunhall said. "Navy command out." She turned to the staff in the situation room.

"Everyone get a move on," she said sharply. Sarzonian satellites began monitoring both Leafanistan's and McKagan's actions for anything that looked threatening. If they were going to strike, Sarzonia's retaliation would be lightning fast.
McKagan
09-06-2005, 04:06
Ok ok ok... I get it.

You'll never nuke me; I'll never reinact the scripts for the next 3 "...of the Dead" movies on your country.

I get it.

(OOC: :p )
Leafanistan
09-06-2005, 04:07
OOC: Pretty much every other nation involved, you are all imperialists, yo. You are totally cramping my style and being not-cool to all these homies here.

Leafanistan today launches an automated space lab today to test how well our hydroponics work in space.

OOC: This is actually a hydroponic lab.

EDIT: EST gets me, good night kids.
McKagan
09-06-2005, 04:09
Sarzonia, you're lost beyond your wildest dreams....
HailandKill
09-06-2005, 04:17
OOC: Jesus this is going crazy.....

IC:
Blue Garbage Cans we are glad to see that you would like to avert this war. We have runways availible at our capital airport for your delegates. Instructions will be given upon arrival. Thank you.
[NS]Algeristan
09-06-2005, 04:20
(OOC) What are the responses of ALL nations with regards to the committee Algeristan set up to work to avert this war and what are the views of Algeristan's six point programme that is to act as a guide to settle this conflict?
McKagan
09-06-2005, 04:20
OOC: I'll say no more about K504 (they'll be a thread in the next few days) other than it's probably the most advanced peice of hardware any nation in this thread owns. This includes nuclear arsonals, too.
McKagan
09-06-2005, 04:22
Algeristan'](OOC) What are the responses of ALL nations with regards to the committee Algeristan set up to work to avert this war and what are the views of Algeristan's six point programme that is to act as a guide to settle this conflict?

I support it, but at the moment i've got imperialist agression against my spacebourne assets.

That said, the K504 crew is almost completly there. I'd watch out against shooting at my satellites.
Blue Garbage Cans
09-06-2005, 04:22
OOC: Jesus this is going crazy.....

IC:
Blue Garbage Cans we are glad to see that you would like to avert this war. We have runways availible at our capital airport for your delegates. Instructions will be given upon arrival. Thank you.


OK thank you for your support in this time of crisis. We will depart within the next 24 hours. My only request is that you BOOST up security to avoid any assassinations.
Blue Garbage Cans
09-06-2005, 04:29
*planes depart for HailandKill*

It is a small private jet consisting of our
- two delegates
- 10 secret service
- 5 army generals
HailandKill
09-06-2005, 04:31
OOC: Algeristan i have a peace conference in the making and i am willing to let you help. I did like the 6-pt plan so if you wanna help lets do it.

IC:
Blue Garbage Cans we have given thought to your statement and we are going to use an airborne division to keep patrols up. We wait your arrival and hope you have a safe trip.
((OOC: Airborne divisions are about 2000 men and 250 APC's))
[NS]Algeristan
09-06-2005, 04:32
(OOC) Im going offline now, so if any conflict starts up while Im gone if the peace talks fail, I pray they don't, then don't count me in until I get back online.

I don't want some n00b attacking me offline thus sucking me into an unwanted war.
[NS]Algeristan
09-06-2005, 04:33
HailandKill, lets discuss this tomorrow, Im going offline now.
Pacitalia
09-06-2005, 04:53
Yet all I see from the larger nations is that we're supposed to let him defeat us because he's small.

Not at all. I think one of us needs to re-read the topic, and it's definitely not me. Oh, and I think it's safe to say you have A LOT to learn here on this site. Your knowledge, your diplomacy, your military presence... it's all very unrealistic, and your attitude has become even more arrogant, moreso since we asked you OOC to stop. Your reputation here could be ruined over this, why risk that?
Pacitalia
09-06-2005, 05:02
Actually I find his reason deplorable.

OOC: Again, we are defending a nation who can't defend themselves. He made a mistake by hastily declaring war on you, there is no question, but he can't back out now and the four larger nations you see now involved are defending him because we don't wish to see him be slaughtered at the hands of your merciless troops.

Oh, and btw, in an RP, you can't use a secret weapon (aka this K504) without revealing its information and specs, or else it's a godmode and subsequently will be ignored by the country you use it on. If it's too unrealistic even if you reveal the specs, it could still be ignored. Just a friendly reminder.
McKagan
09-06-2005, 05:19
Not at all. I think one of us needs to re-read the topic, and it's definitely not me. Oh, and I think it's safe to say you have A LOT to learn here on this site. Your knowledge, your diplomacy, your military presence... it's all very unrealistic, and your attitude has become even more arrogant, moreso since we asked you OOC to stop. Your reputation here could be ruined over this, why risk that?

Actually, you're acting the same, or worse, than I am. I understand i'm being rash, making odd decisions, and not really taking the smartest way out. Moreso, that's why I refer to this site as "not real." This isn't life or death, no reason to RP like it is. In any case, I'm sorry if i've somehow upset you with what I feel is the truth.

Oh, and btw, in an RP, you can't use a secret weapon (aka this K504) without revealing its information and specs, or else it's a godmode and subsequently will be ignored by the country you use it on. If it's too unrealistic even if you reveal the specs, it could still be ignored. Just a friendly reminder.

I'm not GOING to use this on you. It would probably be a godmod even with the specs. But I will reveal some information, OOC, of course.

It's a 350m long starship stored in a hangar in the middle of a desert (think of Stargate.) It's not really got any really big guns (nuclear warheads, but we're still bound as we would be if it were a normal launch systems) but it really can't be damaged by much that an MT nation could throw at it. It's part of my new clause to got PMT. It could, technically, be used in an MT enviroment, but it would be difficult without a blatant godmod.

He made a mistake by hastily declaring war on you, there is no question

THANK YOU. That's ALL I wanted you to say. Now that you've said that, it helps understand you SO much better. It's not you being a hypocrite now that I understand you actually think him declaring war was wrong!

Either way, there is going to be no war here, and I'm dropping out of this RP.
The Silver Sky
09-06-2005, 06:15
*TAGGAGE* And for the record I'm on BGC's side, and no I'm not a multi billion people nation, I'm smaller then Leafanistan, but I have a bigger defence budget and did anyone notice Leafanistan deployed his whole fleet? (200+ Ships) He said it's only one part of his fleet and I have a bigger defence budget then he does.
Isselmere
09-06-2005, 06:39
OOC: Feh, I had about 2,000 ships headed to the vicinity before I decided to ignore this nonsense. McKagan's destroyer I could sink with a single shell. Of Leafanistan's navy, well, meh. This topic seems to be just a massive noob wank-fest, and circle-jerking isn't really my thing.

They may have K504, but I have cobalt-thorium-G (if I remember my Dr Strangelove correctly). Doomsday gap!
Pacitalia
09-06-2005, 06:55
OOC: Feh, I had about 2,000 ships headed to the vicinity before I decided to ignore this nonsense. McKagan's destroyer I could sink with a single shell. Of Leafanistan's navy, well, meh. This topic seems to be just a massive noob wank-fest, and circle-jerking isn't really my thing.

They may have K504, but I have cobalt-thorium-G (if I remember my Dr Strangelove correctly). Doomsday gap!

OOC: I'm dropping out too. This has become a true waste of my diplomatic moxie. Btw, Isselmere, I couldn't have said it better myself, lol.
Clan Smoke Jaguar
09-06-2005, 15:46
OOC:
Regarding nukes in small nations:

Yes, this is something that occurs in real life, and yes, it is acceptable. However, even if a nation starts a nuclear program as soon as it's created, and using the popular 1 RL day=1 NS year formula, an individual will either require 1-2 RL weeks or direct RPed support from a nuclear-capable patron nation. And that's just for initial capability. Nuclear production is slow, especially early on, and it will decades to establish a force of only a few hundred weapons, especially for a small nation.
Thus, while it can be done, a nation of 8 million should not have any nukes without aid from a current nuclear power.

The smallest nation to develop a nuclear weapon on its own was Great Britain (25 million population), which was doing research from 1943, and had a successful test by 1952 (they also had some US assistance due to the war). South Africa and Israel, while smaller, received direct aid from the US and France, respectively.
The French program took over a dozen years to net a working weapon, and Israel took 10 years, even with French assistance.

For production:
The UK had the first production weapon in 1953, and manufactured only 20 in the next 5 years. The arsenal didn't pass the 100 mark until the mid-1960's, or over 20 years after the start of the project. Israel mirrored this rather well, and while they had a potential 200 weapon stockpile 10 years ago, that took about 30 years worth of production, or 40 years total.
Using RL models, a 450 weapon stockpile shouldn't appear in a nation under 100 million, simply because of how long it takes to produce it, and this is where the classic, but flawed NS convention comes in. You can have a nuclear stockpile early on, but it still takes time, and thus won't be a very big one until you're much larger.

There. I've said my part.



Regarding all the other stuff, let's just calm down and think a bit before moving on. This is getting absurd.



IC:
Standard Communique sent to all parties

The Free Land of Clan Smoke Jaguar is disappointed in the direction that this incident has taken, and while we will, if need be, support our allies, we urge both sides to stand down and work this out.

We recognize that the sinking of the cruise liner was a mistake. However, even in a state of heightened awareness against terrorism, only a complete and utter fool would assume that a vessel with thousands of people on board was populated entirely by terrorists. At most this would be hijacked by a few dozen, with thousands of innocents used as sheilds, thus, firing on it should be the last option, and only if there is a confirmed attempt to strike one of your vessels. With this in mind, the inability to deal with this in anything approaching an appropriate manner by the commanders on the scene is a sign of gross negligence that needs to be dealt with. In future incidents, we suggest starting by sending a helicopter to investigate, rather than a missile.
Also, with regards to the reparations. $200 million was all that was stated, but that would hardly even cover for the crew and the cost of the ship itself. A more appropriate gesture would have been an offer of $5-10 million per fatality, along with additional for the cost of the ship, and any survivors. A fixed value of several billion might also have sufficed, but $200 million is wholly inadequate.

To the nation of Blue Garbage Cans, we recognize your situation, but jumping up and declaring war is a hasty and foolish act. Before war is declared, diplomatic options should be exercised first. Thus, we urge you to sit down and work this out peacefully. It will be far more beneficial to your people and economy to act in this manner.

To all involved, the Free Land of Clan Smoke Jaguar, seeing the current presence of her allies, does not see fit to send any forces into the conflict area at this time, but we will support our allies if hostilities break out, up to and including the use of military force to silence threats.
Leafanistan
10-06-2005, 01:06
I deployed all but like 2 ships. That was quick.
Halberdgardia
10-06-2005, 02:13
OOC: Goddamn, will I be happy when we get the hell off this piece-of-shit planet and away from all these multi-billion-population nations popping up out of nowhere and spewing shit about defending a nation like BGC against our "imperialist aggressions"...BTW, I'm quite happy to see that Algeristan is taking a sensible approach to this conflict and promoting peace. Props to you, man.

IC:

The Democratic Republic of Halberdgardia is disgusted at the conduct of several multi-billion-population nations that have entered this conflict. They claim to be seeking peace, yet their support obviously lies with BGC. They insult the leaders of the nations of Leafanistan and McKagan when they mobilize forces to protect themselves. Granted, the nation of BGC is not really large enough to pose much of a threat to Leafanistan, but it was not as though Leafanistan could simply let BGC troops march into Leafanistan without a fight. Halberdgardia and McKagan merely pledged their support to Leafanistan if it was needed. We did not even deploy troops to the region, and yet we are being accused of imperialistic ambitions? We sought only to defeat BGC's military to an extent that they would step down and accept Leafanistan's apology for the Majestic incident, if BGC initiated hostilities; never did we express any desire to conquer BGC. These nations, who take a most hypocritical stance regarding this conflict, should be ashamed at their disgraceful conduct.

That said, we are nevertheless willing to seek a peaceful resolution to this conflict, and, pending permission from the host nation of HailandKill, we will send a contingent of diplomats to the peace conference being held there to determine a reasonable end to this out-of-control situation.
The Silver Sky
10-06-2005, 02:40
The Silver Sky government is disgusted at the conduct of Halberdgardia and their lack of information on this situation.

There is no rule against taking sides in a conflict if they bigger nations want to defend a very small nation against the imperialistic ideals of Leafanistan and McKagan. You say McKagan and Leafanistan did not deploy forces? MaKagan deployed a Naval Strike force just outside ot BGC's national waters and Leafanistan deployed their ENTIRE fleet. McKagan also metioned on numerous occassion that they were thinking about leveling BGC through the use of Carpet Bombers, they also metioned wanting another province to control. I find these statements and ideals very imperialistic. Also if you have noticed no nation has deployed fleets the size of Leafanistan's fleet to protect BGC as of yet.

You except BGC to except chump change and empty apolgizes from the Leafanistan Government? I think not! If Leafanistan would increase the amount to pay for each BGC citizen that they killed and punished the Captains accordingly (We do not think Kitchen duty is worthy of these killers) then maybe BGC would have accepted Leafanistan's offer, but the BGC people hunger for justice, you can not put a price on that.

We too are glad the nations of HailandKill and Algeristan are trying to seek a peaceful solution to this conflict (Which is hardly out-of-control), but as long as McKagan ships stay in the area around BGC we are skeptical of McKagan's policy of wanting peace, the First Fleet of The Silver Sky Navy has been deployed and is now sitting just outside of The Silver Sky's national waters.
Halberdgardia
10-06-2005, 03:06
OOC:

The Silver Sky government is disgusted at the conduct of Halberdgardia and their lack of information on this situation.

Uninformed? Hardly. Not agreeing with your point of view? Yes. There is a difference.

There is no rule against taking sides in a conflict if they bigger nations want to defend a very small nation against the imperialistic ideals of Leafanistan and McKagan. You say McKagan and Leafanistan did not deploy forces? MaKagan deployed a Naval Strike force just outside ot BGC's national waters and Leafanistan deployed their ENTIRE fleet. McKagan also metioned on numerous occassion that they were thinking about leveling BGC through the use of Carpet Bombers, they also metioned wanting another province to control. I find these statements and ideals very imperialistic. Also if you have noticed no nation has deployed fleets the size of Leafanistan's fleet to protect BGC as of yet.

You're confusing OOC comments with IC declarations, buddy. Trust me, following the Saharistan War, none of the three of us want another nation to rebuild from scratch. And granted, Leafanistan's response was a bit over-the-top, but it was probably out of a deterrence mindset rather than imperialistic aggression.

You except BGC to except chump change and empty apolgizes from the Leafanistan Government? I think not! If Leafanistan would increase the amount to pay for each BGC citizen that they killed and punished the Captains accordingly (We do not think Kitchen duty is worthy of these killers) then maybe BGC would have accepted Leafanistan's offer, but the BGC people hunger for justice, you can not put a price on that.

It's not really your place, or any other nation's, for that matter, to decide on the quality or fairness of Leafanistan's apology. They said they were punishing those involved, and the monetary offer was generous. Assuming approximately 400 Majestic victims, that's half a million in compensation per victim. That's very generous, especially when you figure that a lot of 9/11 victims were probably given much less.

We too are glad the nations of HailandKill and Algeristan are trying to seek a peaceful solution to this conflict (Which is hardly out-of-control), but as long as McKagan ships stay in the area around BGC we are skeptical of McKagan's policy of wanting peace, the First Fleet of The Silver Sky Navy has been deployed and is now sitting just outside of The Silver Sky's national waters.

McKagan has adopted a more neutral stance regarding his comments, has repeatedly said he will not attack BGC unless they attack first, has reduced his naval forces in the theater to a single destroyer, and is sending representatives to the peace conference. Don't keep treating him like a warmongerer.

IC:

A Halberdgardian Gulfstream jet, carrying the Halberdgardian ambassador to HailandKill, Richard Powell, and a handful of aides, is en route to the nation of HailandKill to attend the Leafanistan-BGC peace conference being held there. They should arrive within a matter of hours.
McKagan
10-06-2005, 03:19
but as long as McKagan ships stay in the area around BGC we are skeptical of McKagan's policy of wanting peace, the First Fleet of The Silver Sky Navy has been deployed and is now sitting just outside of The Silver Sky's national waters.

Ok, either you're paranoid, or your navy sucks.

I have 1 destroyer there. I've stated that multiple times. Other nations have FLEET'S there.

Do you think I'm just going to pull the DDX up to shore and LEVEL THE WHOLE COUNTRY?

Seriously, why are you so paranoid about 1 ship!
McKagan
10-06-2005, 03:23
IC:

A small jet from Robynson AFB in McKagan launches towards HailandKill for the peace coference.

Aboard are a pair of diplomats, a small security squad, and an operations manager.

4 K12 fighter planes are escorting it.
The Silver Sky
10-06-2005, 03:46
Ok, either you're paranoid, or your navy sucks.
I have 1 destroyer there. I've stated that multiple times. Other nations have FLEET'S there.
Do you think I'm just going to pull the DDX up to shore and LEVEL THE WHOLE COUNTRY?
Seriously, why are you so paranoid about 1 ship!
OOC: My navy hardly sucks(you just said Praetonian and Sarzonian ships suck), and I could care less about the garbage barge you call a destroyer, I'm deploying my fleet to counter Leafanistan's deployment. When Leafanistan's fleet is pulled back I'll pull back mine. (The way the peace talks are gonna be, I'd say this will happen tonight or tomorrow).
McKagan
10-06-2005, 03:49
The DDX? Garbage barge?

I'm ignoring you now.
The Silver Sky
10-06-2005, 03:57
The DDX? Garbage barge?

I'm ignoring you now.
OOC: Hardly grounds to ignore me, i insulted your WEAPON, not YOU, I can have my own opinions about your weapons and you can have your's about mine.
Isselmere
10-06-2005, 03:59
OOC: The Silver Sky, don't bother with this noob fest, it isn't worth your time. It's another Feline Catfish moment.
McKagan
10-06-2005, 04:00
OOC: It's just that in my opinion the DDX isn't a peice of garbage, compared to anything.
The Silver Sky
10-06-2005, 04:04
OOC: The Silver Sky, don't bother with this noob fest, it isn't worth your time. It's another Feline Catfish moment.
Meh, you're right, only this time the nations attacking are the n00bs and the nation defending is actually a semi-good RPer.

IC: The Silver Sky withdraws all forces back to there respective ports, we have also blacklisted the nations McKagan, Leafanistan and Halberdgardia for any international relations.
McKagan
10-06-2005, 04:04
OOC: The Silver Sky, don't bother with this noob fest, it isn't worth your time. It's another Feline Catfish moment.

Yup. We've reached the point where we stop trying to prove each other wrong and you just say "he's a noob! i shouldn't have to think! me special!" instead of actually RP'ing.
Halberdgardia
10-06-2005, 04:13
Meh, you're right, only this time the nations attacking are the n00bs and the nation defending is actually a semi-good RPer.

IC: The Silver Sky withdraws all forces back to there respective ports, we have also blacklisted the nations McKagan, Leafanistan and Halberdgardia for any international relations.

OOC: So I make a few reasonable comments countering your remarks, and you "blacklist" me? Ridiculous. I didn't even flame you. If you can't hold a reasonable argument without blacklisting me, you're not worthy of diplomatic relations with me in the first place.

IC:

The Democratic Republic of Halberdgardia is baffled and regretful that a nation previously thought to be of reasonable leadership, the nation of The Silver Sky, has chosen to cut off all diplomatic relations with us for no apparent reason. We will not retaliate in kind, preferring instead to take the high ground, hoping that the nation of The Silver Sky will realize their error and once again prove themselves reasonable and rational.
The Silver Sky
10-06-2005, 04:16
OOC: So I make a few reasonable comments countering your remarks, and you "blacklist" me? Ridiculous. I didn't even flame you. If you can't hold a reasonable argument without blacklisting me, you're not worthy of diplomatic relations with me in the first place.
Yes you didn't flame me, I know that, I blacklisted you cause of you aggression towards BGC.
McKagan
10-06-2005, 04:19
Who did anything to BGC?

Halberdgardia and I both have done far less than most of the other nations in this thread.

I don't know if Halberdgardia has a ship out there or not, but I have one. We're doing the same thing that every other nation is doing, only without a massive fleet to intimidate others.

How does that deserve a blacklisting?
Dostanuot Loj
10-06-2005, 04:27
Message to all involved:

It is good that threats of unconventional warfare have reduced to nonexistant, and even better that many of, if not all of, the parties involved are agreeing to meet at the table of peace.
For this, I will change the stance my nation has taken on this matter. We still maintain our threat to cripple any nation who brings unconventional weapons to this conflict as swiftly as possible, a reaction I hope will not be required.
Second, I would like to declare that my nation will jump to the defence of any nation that is attacked in these proceedings, regardless of stance. The initial conflict of interest between Leafanistan and Blue Garbage Cans is of no interest to me, only maintaining peace where war is not needed.
Finally, I wish to send a delegate to the peace talk proceedings, as an observer. For this we will be sending High Diplomat of External Relations, Brigadier Josef Rommel, escorted by a Ranger SpecOps team (Elite bodygaurds), to observe the proceedings and offer assistance if required, to any nation that asks.
We will not in any way condone viloence in this dispute as a viable, and efficient way of setteling your differences, and we will go so far as defensive military action to enforce this ideal.

Please, let us talk this over as adults.

- Head of State, Dictator of Sumer,
Feild Marshal Peshtur Namtar
Halberdgardia
10-06-2005, 04:29
OOC: I'm sure I did not deploy any military forces, just condemned the BGC declaration of war and pledged my support for Leafanistan if hostilities broke out. If my memory fails me, and I did deploy naval vessels (which I highly doubt, but hey, you never know), then feel free to call me on it.

IC:

Message to all involved:

It is good that threats of unconventional warfare have reduced to nonexistant, and even better that many of, if not all of, the parties involved are agreeing to meet at the table of peace.
For this, I will change the stance my nation has taken on this matter. We still maintain our threat to cripple any nation who brings unconventional weapons to this conflict as swiftly as possible, a reaction I hope will not be required.
Second, I would like to declare that my nation will jump to the defence of any nation that is attacked in these proceedings, regardless of stance. The initial conflict of interest between Leafanistan and Blue Garbage Cans is of no interest to me, only maintaining peace where war is not needed.
Finally, I wish to send a delegate to the peace talk proceedings, as an observer. For this we will be sending High Diplomat of External Relations, Brigadier Josef Rommel, escorted by a Ranger SpecOps team (Elite bodygaurds), to observe the proceedings and offer assistance if required, to any nation that asks.
We will not in any way condone viloence in this dispute as a viable, and efficient way of setteling your differences, and we will go so far as defensive military action to enforce this ideal.

Please, let us talk this over as adults.

- Head of State, Dictator of Sumer,
Feild Marshal Peshtur Namtar

To: Field Marshal Peshtur Namtar, Head of State, The Nation of Sumer
From: Richard Powell, Ambassador to HailandKill, The Democratic Republic of Halberdgardia
Re: Peace Conference

Greetings. I am Richard Powell, Ambassador to the nation of HailandKill. I am the head of my country's delegation to the peace conference being held in the capital city of the nation of HailandKill, where leaders of some of the nations involved in this conflict are meeting to discuss a peaceful resolution to this conflict. As you seem to be interested in seeing peace restored to this region, we encourage you to send a delegation to the conference. We are sure that, if you are a respectable nation and are interested in bringing peace to this region, conditions you seem to satisfy, then you will be accepted as part of the conference. I hope that our nations can cooperate to bring stability back to this area.

Respectfully,
Richard Powell
Ambassador to HailandKill
The Democratic Republic of Halberdgardia
McKagan
10-06-2005, 04:40
OOC: The thing is, everytime I do something it's met with "he das n00b! tia no worath ur timie!"

However, people are saying I'm posing a direct threat to BGC, they're surrounding my nation and so forth... they act terrified of a single DDX.

My navy takes it as a compliment.
Halberdgardia
10-06-2005, 04:52
OOC: The thing is, everytime I do something it's met with "he das n00b! tia no worath ur timie!"

However, people are saying I'm posing a direct threat to BGC, they're surrounding my nation and so forth... they act terrified of a single DDX.

My navy takes it as a compliment.

OOC:
"OMG MCKAGAN H4S TEH 1337 DDX!!!!!111 SEND 1N TEH FL33TZ0R!!!!!111"

"Y3S, PH33R T3H 1337 DDXZ0R!!!!!111 IT R TEH PWNZ0R!!!!!1111"

;)
Dostanuot Loj
10-06-2005, 04:55
OOC: McKagan, overreaction and blowing things out of context and size is part of RPing. What is said IC by a nation's government is not really fact, just what that Nation wants to say. You shouldn't get so upset about it, instead try to counter it.
Now, I've been following this from the beginning, and I've seen most of what happened, the only problem you seem to have is over reacting to things and, as I see it, screaming your head off about it.
I'm not going to ignore you for it, and I'm more then happy to continue to RP with you (I'd love to go finish this with most of the initial players), but I ask that you stop trying to defend your reputation with words, and just RP. Your reputation is built on your RP here, not what you say about yourself over and over.

I don't want to sound like I'm being rude, I'm just asking you to calm down a little.

EDIT: Oh, and guys, don't hastle him over a DD-X. It's just a ship

IC:

To: Richard Powell, Ambassador to HailandKill, The Democratic Republic of Halberdgardia
Subject: Re: Re: Peace Conference

Thank you for your insight. I too hope we can bring stability back, however because of the turn of some of the events thus far, I wish to state that I will work for peace in this region through any means required. I prefer we do it through peace talks, however if viloent conflict does break out I a not aversed to crushing all those who took up the fight, on whichever side, and instilling peace as an occuiped area. This would be most unfortunate for all involved, espically my nation, as we are not of such a nature to do that.
However, we hope you understand that we wish peace in the region, and will work towards this peace via diplomatic relations as much as we can, but will use military force to settle the dispute if we are forced to.
I know it is not the wish of all involved to have the conflict end in the latter solution, nor is it our wish.

We are gracious for your kind words, and will be honoured to join you at the table of peace.

- Head of State, Dictator of Sumer
Feild Marshal Peshtur Namtar
McKagan
10-06-2005, 04:55
@the dude before the dude before this post

Dude, you're better at that than me. I can't read yours.. which is a good thing, I guess.
McKagan
10-06-2005, 04:58
OOC: McKagan, overreaction and blowing things out of context and size is part of RPing. What is said IC by a nation's government is not really fact, just what that Nation wants to say. You shouldn't get so upset about it, instead try to counter it.
Now, I've been following this from the beginning, and I've seen most of what happened, the only problem you seem to have is over reacting to things and, as I see it, screaming your head off about it.
I'm not going to ignore you for it, and I'm more then happy to continue to RP with you (I'd love to go finish this with most of the initial players), but I ask that you stop trying to defend your reputation with words, and just RP. Your reputation is built on your RP here, not what you say about yourself over and over.

I don't want to sound like I'm being rude, I'm just asking you to calm down a little.


I'm not mad at what has been said in character, but i've been pointlessly attacked out of character because of something I supposedly did in character.

It's really just making me mad. I try to RP or ignore it, but I kept getting drawn back in by people that would rather call me a noob and be done with it than RP.

Nonetheless, i'll try.
Halberdgardia
10-06-2005, 05:02
Dude, you're better at that than me. I can't read yours.. which is a good thing, I guess.

OOC: I've run across enough n00bs in all sorts of forums across the Internet to be able to learn to be fluent in n00bspeak. The rough translation (as n00bspeakers are generally so idiotic that they don't really understand the concept of expressing themselves in a real language) is something like this:

(enemies) <<alarmed>> "OMG McKagan has the elite/powerful DDX! Deploy our fleet!"

(you) "Yes, fear the elite/powerful DDX! It whips your sorry ships' asses!"

IC:

To: Richard Powell, Ambassador to HailandKill, The Democratic Republic of Halberdgardia
Subject: Re: Re: Peace Conference

Thank you for your insight. I too hope we can bring stability back, however because of the turn of some of the events thus far, I wish to state that I will work for peace in this region through any means required. I prefer we do it through peace talks, however if viloent conflict does break out I a not aversed to crushing all those who took up the fight, on whichever side, and instilling peace as an occuiped area. This would be most unfortunate for all involved, espically my nation, as we are not of such a nature to do that.
However, we hope you understand that we wish peace in the region, and will work towards this peace via diplomatic relations as much as we can, but will use military force to settle the dispute if we are forced to.
I know it is not the wish of all involved to have the conflict end in the latter solution, nor is it our wish.

We are gracious for your kind words, and will be honoured to join you at the table of peace.

- Head of State, Dictator of Sumer
Feild Marshal Peshtur Namtar

To: Field Marshal Peshtur Namtar, Head of State, The Nation of Sumer
From: Richard Powell, Ambassador to HailandKill, The Democratic Republic of Halberdgardia
Re: Peace Conference

We likewise share your sentiment that we would not like to see things come to blows, so to speak, in this conflict. We are most pleased to hear that you are willing to attend the conference, and would be honored to have your input. We look forward to seeing your delegation there, so that peace can be restored here.

Respectfully,
Richard Powell
Ambassador to HailandKill
The Democratic Republic of Halberdgardia
McKagan
10-06-2005, 05:08
OOC: I just realized something.

OOC: McKagan, overreaction and blowing things out of context and size is part of RPing. What is said IC by a nation's government is not really fact, just what that Nation wants to say. You shouldn't get so upset about it, instead try to counter it.
Now, I've been following this from the beginning, and I've seen most of what happened, the only problem you seem to have is over reacting to things and, as I see it, screaming your head off about it.
I'm not going to ignore you for it, and I'm more then happy to continue to RP with you (I'd love to go finish this with most of the initial players), but I ask that you stop trying to defend your reputation with words, and just RP. Your reputation is built on your RP here, not what you say about yourself over and over.

I don't want to sound like I'm being rude, I'm just asking you to calm down a little.

EDIT: Oh, and guys, don't hastle him over a DD-X. It's just a ship

That makes me sound like Axl Rose! I've become my idol!

Now all i've got to do is start a riot in Canada!
North Mack
10-06-2005, 14:49
Official Press Release from The Dominion of North Mack

North Mack truly hopes that Blue Garbage Cans and Leafistan can work out the problems Diplomaticly, for the Sake of BGC. What BGC may be unaware of is the fact that Leafistan is a member of the Commonwealth of Independant Nations. The CIN currently has over 20 nations, many with a population of over 1 billion. Under the Constitution of the CIN, if any nation in the CIN is attacked, then all nations in the CIN will rise up and defend the nation in question. Once again, North Mack hopes these problems can be solved diplomaticly.
McKagan
10-06-2005, 15:56
You're going to get these people calling you an imperialist, now.
HailandKill
10-06-2005, 16:42
Ok im back now after a day of absense. I still have a peace conference going on for all that dont know this.

IC:
HailandKill's capital airport is being restricted from commercial actvity to accomadate all the envoys and diplomats safely. Instructions will be given when the planes touch down. Security is high and all diplomats will escorted in APCs to the peace conference.
((RP the landing so i know whos here and whos in the air.))
McKagan
10-06-2005, 18:25
The K12's that had been escorting the private plane with the diplomats across the ocean towards their destination were now halfway home.

In the skies above HailandKill the plane with the delegates suddenly drops down to landing prodedures and touches down at the airport, waiting to be escorting to a secure hanger by the natives.
HailandKill
10-06-2005, 19:04
IC:
---ATC tower---
"McKagan your cleared to land" Said the chief, he turned to his aide "Yo, phone the white house and tell em' McKagan is here"
"Right away"

---On the tarmac---
The plane was being led to a hangar reserved for presidential planes. As the doors opened, stairs were being brought to the plane. An APC was their along with three armed paratroopers; the paratroopers were standing in a salute as the LT stated "Follow us please sir!"
McKagan
10-06-2005, 19:07
The delegates leave the plane as their security group walks out first.

After that group of people has walked away, the 2 security personnel aboard the plane along with the Operations Chief begin to take pictures of anything they can (standard practice.)
HailandKill
10-06-2005, 19:19
---In the hangar---
"Only the Delegates and main personel may get in the APC, ((The SOV-06 i am using hold 8 men minus the two armed guards i am putting in)) your people will be fine i assure you; There will be more APCs later for the security entourage."
McKagan
10-06-2005, 19:23
"Well, the only people we're actually sending in are the delegates, there is no "staff" that will go with them. The Operations Manager is staying aboard the plane, as is everyone who cannot enter the negotiations area."
HailandKill
10-06-2005, 19:26
"Well then follow me and enter the APC please, Sir!"
McKagan
10-06-2005, 19:32
"Ok ok, after you."

The lead delegate walked with the other in tow.
HailandKill
10-06-2005, 19:41
The LT walked in first and when he reached the front of the APC he banged on the thin metal wall separating the drivers and the hold. When he banged on it the door started to close.
"Excuse me sir please hang on, all though there is not civilian traffic we are about an hour away from the actual capital and we like to arrive there ASAP!"
At that moment the APC was in motion gaining speed.
Dostanuot Loj
11-06-2005, 10:44
The trio of aircraft carrying the Delegate, Brigadier Josef Rommel, to observe the proceedings closed nearer and nearer to HailandKill airspace. Rommel sat in the forward passanger compartment, surrounding him were the six members of Ranger Team 19, all clad in flat black armour, their faces hidden by the non-reflective one way material of their faceplates. Each soldier was armed with an MR-9T SMG, equipped with more goodies then he had ever seen. He was sitting there admiring the technology these soldiers used as the Flight Engineer came back from the cockpit. "Approaching HailandKill, get ready."

Message:
From: Brigadier Josef Rommel Delegation, peace talks
To: HailandKill Capital Air Port

Requesting permission to enter your airspace and land. We have two armed escort aircraft with us, and a team of bodygaurds, we would like to keep them with us if at all possible. Thank you.

----------------

The lone TPC-5A and two YF-100 Glaive fighters began a slow circle, awaiting authorization to land.
HailandKill
11-06-2005, 17:34
---ATC tower---
"Brigadier Josef Rommel of the Delegation your plane has permission to land, as to the situation of your bodyguards i would like to check with the higher ups and my president. Please hold"

The chief had picked up the phone, and since he was the chief of the capital airport the phone had a direct link to the presidential office in case of any direst emergency. He rang the number and the phone rang twice before it was answered.
"Hello capital aircommand"
"Hello sir, we have a request from a Brigadier Josef Rommel asking permission to have personal bodyguards along with him. Im not sure to answer this question and ask your response?"
"No, politely tell him no. No nation is going to have armed guards at the conference. Tell him the conference will be well guarded by our paratroop division from our own army."
"Yes Sir"

---10 minutes later---
"Brigadier Josef Rommel of the Delegation this is capital airport aircommand, in response to your request to armed guards the answer is no. Please to do not be offended as my president has asked no guards from any country be in attendance. I assure you that the conference will be well guarded with troops from our armed forces. Have a safe landing on strip 14, thank you."
Dostanuot Loj
11-06-2005, 17:51
Rommel had been listening into the radio transmission. Laughing silently to himself as he heard the response.
"No," he cut in sharply after the HailandKill opperator had finished "I did not intend to have them at the conference, merely gaurding my quarters and presence outside of the conference. I have full trust in your paratrooper units to gaurd myself, and the other delegates durring the actual meeting. Either way, we shal work this out on the ground. Once again, thank you for the ability to attend the conference in such a beautiful land."
He sat back as the transport moved in for landing, relaxing in his chair, he always loved flying to new places.
HailandKill
11-06-2005, 18:36
---On the ground---
"Get ready" Barked the LT "We wanna look good"

The APC and its crew were ready to take the delegate to the suite in the presidential house along with the other delegates. The actually conference would take place when the delegates from every country arrived.
Leafanistan
12-06-2005, 01:48
In response to The Silver Sky, I'd just like to say that its kinda odd you are insulting others about being uninformed, because I've only mobilized half the forces I said I would, and those forces, aren't to leave Leafanistani waters, that was said in the beginning, those ships are to act as a defense fleet.

Sure it is a massive fleet consisting of most of my navy, but I'm not going to let even a single transport slip by.
Halberdgardia
12-06-2005, 01:56
Airspace above HailandKill, 1754 Zulu

"This is Halberdgardian Gulfstream VHF-601, requesting permission to land. We have Ambassador Powell, the Ambassador's aide, and a small detachment of Halberdgardian Secret Service agents on board. The Secret Service agents will cooperate fully with your own security personnel."
HailandKill
12-06-2005, 02:01
---ATC Tower---
"VHF-601 this is ATC chief Anderson you are cleared to land on strip 4. Have a safe landing"
Halberdgardia
12-06-2005, 02:41
---ATC Tower---
"VHF-601 this is ATC chief Anderson you are cleared to land on strip 4. Have a safe landing"

"We apologize for the late arrival, Chief, we had some mechanical problems en route and had to divert to a friendly airport for repairs. We'll be landing shortly. Where should Ambassador Powell proceed upon landing, and are our Secret Service agents cleared with your security forces? They're only armed with silenced Desert Eagles."
HailandKill
12-06-2005, 02:47
---ATC Tower---
"VHF-601 when you land your plane will be taken to a special hangar where we will escort your delegates to your living quaters for the time of the peace talks. Everything will be explained when you land."
Dostanuot Loj
13-06-2005, 01:42
The TPC-5A came in low and smooth for the landing, gliding gracefully down the runway before the thrust reversers kicked in and the aircraft came quickly to a halt. Slowly they taxied down runway 14 as the two YF-100's circled overhead. Once the plane had parked safely they would return home.
HailandKill
14-06-2005, 00:02
---On the tarmac---
After the plane touched down it was met with a towing car ((OOC: forgot what their called, yknow the thing im talking about)) and pulled to a hangar. The doors were opened and the delegation team was greeted by a LT.
"G'day sirs please follow me" Said the LT
Outside the plane a few armed paratroops and an APC/IFV was waiting.
Halberdgardia
14-06-2005, 00:22
---ATC Tower---
"VHF-601 when you land your plane will be taken to a special hangar where we will escort your delegates to your living quaters for the time of the peace talks. Everything will be explained when you land."

"Roger that, Control, we're coming in on approach. VHF-601 out."

The Gulfstream touched down smoothly, and within moments, was taxiied on the runway, waiting to be towed into a hangar. Inside, Ambassador Richard Powell adjusted his suit, packed his papers and laptop into his briefcase, and nodded to the three Secret Service agents he had with him. He just hoped that the HailandKill security personnel wouldn't mind the three Remington M700 sniper rifles they'd brought, but not declared to the tower personnel for fear that someone might be listening in.
Shazbotdom
20-06-2005, 18:31
OOC: Sorry to all members of the CIN for this late reply, and the contents of this reply. I already am part of 2 other battle threads, and with the lack of time i can spend on the computer, it will be really hard for me to join a 3rd battle thread.

***OFFICIAL RESPONCE***

The Holy Empire of Shazbotdom is saddened that one of it's allies has come under attack by a warmongering nation. Though our willingness to help is high, our military is already under a mass deployment in several other regions engauging other nations in the battle to stop tyranical governments. We will though, send 300 Billion USD out of our Government Waste to help the military readiness of members of the Coalition of Independant Nations. This is all we can do to help at this moment. We appologize for this inconvenience.

Mr. Shaz Bot
Emporer

Grand Admiral James E. Rockenbach
Minister of Defence