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Earth V Invasions Listing

Whittier--
05-06-2005, 16:53
This is just a place where people can post what they are invading.
Once the land is added to your claims or you leave you should edit your post to take it off.

Whittier: (this is what I had already invaded before the terrorist attacks)
Azerbaijan
Armenia
Luzon (Phillipines)
Bahrain
Qatar
United Arab Emirates

Progress Report: before the terrorists struck Whittier was able to occupy the caucasus nations and consolidation was under way.

We faced stiff resistance in the Persian Gulf states when we sent forces there to put an end to piracy and terrorism by their governments who were supporting Arabian Jihad who in turn was supporting COB. AJ was using Bahrain, Qatar and UAE as bases of operation to stop ships at sea and abducted passengers at gun point, often selling them into forced slavery later. Goods were also looted from the stopped ships and members of the crew killed just for the terrorists enjoyment.
Our forces in the PG encountered resistance however. But we had the situation in Bahrain and Qatar under and were shifting resources to UAE due to the extreme intensity of terrorist activity there. And then Arabian Jihad nuked our nation.
However we will not give up. Too many of our own people have died over these lands.
When the conflict is over, we intend to keep Qatar and Bahrain and divide UAE between ourselves and Vineyard so the Vineyardians can have some land connecting main Oman to their terr. on the peninsula.


Military Rules:
These are the rules that were created Mauiwowee and adopted by Earth V (from when it was at Zifos).

Effective April 5, 2005

THE MILITARY STRENGTH RULE

1. All Nations must declare their military strengths in the Military Strengths thread;
2. Pursuant to the following rule, all nations must make reasonable efforts to keep their military strengths up-to-date. You are subject to be called on a "wank" at any time when what you RP doesn't fall within the following Military Strength's calculation rule.
3. THE RULE ITSELF (with an example) -
a. You may have no more than 5 million people including logistics and support personnel on active duty per $1 Trillion in your 3rd Geek Defense Budget (reasonable rounding of numbers is acceptable). You can have less, but you cannot have more;
b. The total number of people on active duty must be "broken out" percentage wise between the Army, Navy, Airforce and Marines
c. You must have at a minimum 4 logistics people for every front line fighter in your Marines and Army, 3 logistics people for every battleship/carrier/destroyer/sub etc. crewman in your Navy, and 9 logistics people for every combat aircraft (fighters/bombers/AWAC's) in your airforce. You can have more logistics if you wish, but you must have at this at a minimum;
d. If you are being invaded, all figures calculated pursuant to the above can be bumped up by 15% in recognition of your activation of reserves and the use of your civilian population that will come to the defense of their homeland;
e. If you activate reserves for warfare other than in defense of your homeland, you are subject to the 5 million maximum and 3/4/9 minimum logistics and support person rule for your reserves as well; and
f. A 5 million man force with the minimum logistics support permissible will have the training, skill, support and be as "effective" of a fighting force as, for example only, the former Soviet Union or Chinese military (i.e. lots of fighters, but poorly trained and equipped and subject to supply line and similar problems) Note also that a large force, even with "bumped up" support will not be as good as a smaller force with the same "bumped up" support numbers due to the need to spread your budget among more people;
g. EXAMPLE
* 3rd Geek Defense Budget equals $4,874,800,000,000.00
* Total declared strength is 2 million men per Trillion = 9.6 million men
* 25% spread across all branches = 2.4 million men per branch
* Army & Marines - 4:1 logistics = 480,000 front line fighters per branch
* Navy - 3:1 Logistics = 600,000 men on combat vessels, including pilots on carriers
* Airforce - 9:1 Logistics = 240,000 people on combat craft (don't forget, bombers may have as many as 10 people in their crew, fighters might have 2, etc. so 240,000 people does NOT mean 240,000 aircraft).
4. If your military is not as strong as you'd like under this rule, tough! Vote on issues in NS in such a way as to increase your defense budget. It is possible to be a big nation with a weak military (i.e. China) and a smaller nation with a great military (i.e. Great Britain or Germany).
5. Special Uber Force Rule Iif you wish to have a significant "uber forces" or "super special forces branch" that gets a disproportionate share of money, equipment, etc. you should break them out separately - a normal navy will have SEAL teams, armies will have green berets, special forces paratroopers, but they're all included in the regular army budget. However, it is possible you might create a new branch of your military for the "super duper uber elite" that get more training, etc. than the regular guys do - Because of the high initial cost, (all that extra training and equipment costs a lot) but low maintenance cost (once set up and organized, they get their orders and go, they don't need supply lines to do their job - they might need some choppers or an aircraft or a sub on occassion, if they do they borrow it from another branch of the service) of setting up such a unit - no more than 5% of your military can belong to the super uber units. However, average logistics for such a unit can be as low as 2:1 and they'll be relatively functional. At 5 or 6:1 They're gonna be deadly bastards and hard to stop for sure (Think of Rambo, Arnold Scwartzenegger's character from Predator, James Bond and Ripley {Sigourney Weaver} from Alien all wrapped up into one package and then multiplied by 200,000 - The ultimate uber force).
6. Special Homeland Defense Rule In addition to getting to "bump" your numbers by 15% if you are invaded in recognition of your civilians that join in, you may also use your "law and order" budget in the same way you use your military budget to create a homeland defense force out of your population. - i.e. if your "law and order" budget is $2 trillion, you can use it the same way your use your military budget to create an additional homeland defense force and effectively increase the trained and equipped military you have defending your own shores over and above the civilians that come out to fight for you.
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THE WMD RULE

1. The effect of a WMD (i.e. bio, chemical, nuclear or EMP weapon) is limited to one large city;
2. No player may use more than 2 WMD's in any war;
3. EXAMPLES;
a. I am at war with nation "X" and I launch 200 nuclear tipped ICBM's at 200 targets in nation "X" - no more than 2 will hit a target and the destruction caused will be limited to the target they hit and Nation "X" gets to declare, as the defender, which targets were struck.
b. I am at war with nation "X" and I launch 200 nuclear tipped ICBM's at 1 target in nation "X" - no more than 2 will hit the target and the destruction caused will be limited to the target they hit and Nation "X" gets to declare, as the defender, what the damage was.
c. I am at war with nation "X" and I launch 10 EMP weapons at 10 targets and 15 Bio weapons at 15 targets - only 2 targets can be hit and the defender gets to say which was hit with what.
4. Realistically RP'd defenses to WMD's that prevent any WMD attack from inflicting damage are ok;
5. Once you have succesfully used 2 WMD attacks on the nation you are at war with, that's it, you are limited to conventional warfare until the conflict is resolved; and
6. Taking out a naval fleet, a large army contingent, etc. is the same as taking out a city with a WMD.
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THE "UBER TECH" RULE
1. Earth V operates in the 2015 - 2020 tech level range;
2. If it already exists in RL - feel free to RP its use;
3. If it does not exist, but clearly could, you may RP it, but if it's existence/use is challenged by someone, it will be subject to mod review and approval - obviously, if it clearly could exist, mod approval will not be a problem - for example, a .40 cal. S & W machine gun does not exist in RL, but clearly, such could be created if someone wanted to.
4. If it does not exist in RL, and will clearly be subjected to challenge as being a god mod or tech wank, but you feel that it could exist with proper expenditure of time/effort/innovation - RP it's development and stats and ask for a mod ruling. For example, submerssible aircraft carriers do not exist in RL. However, such a thing has been contemplated in RL and the Japanese experimented with the idea in WW II - you want to have a submersible carrier, RP it's design, development and stats and get mod approval for a final version and presto, you got it.
5. Once the mods approve of an item, if you think it is still a god mod, tough! However, convincing arguments based on additional info. not presented in the original design and approval process may be submitted for mod. consideration and if it truly warrants a reversal or revision of the mod's decision then the mods will undertake to do that.
6. The innovative use of existing and experimental tech is encouraged, but "bleeding edge" stuff should be submitted for approval prior to use so as to avoid arguments in RP threads.
7. Use reason and common sense in designs of new stuff and in decisions to "officially" challenge something as being a "tech wank" or "god mod."
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For further examples and info - See Mauiwowee's and Norleans' posts in the military declarations thread.

To get your military budget, cut and paste this site into your browser and replace the "____________" with your nation's NS name

http://nseconomy.thirdgeek.com/nseconomy.php?nation=_____________
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Further Examples

UBER GOOD MILITARY ALL THE WAY AROUND

This military would be about as good as it gets all the way around. If your budget was more, just keep the same ratios and you'd be fine (i.e. I'm working here with a $5 trillion budget, if you had a $10 trillion budget, you could just double the numbers of people while keeping the same % division and logistics ratio and have an military twice as big as this, but just as good. You wouldn't have to use an equal division between your military branches either for them to be good, just keep the total number of troops at 1.5 million/Trillion and use the logists numbers supplied)

Budget: $5,000,000,000,000.00 ($5 Trillion)

1.5 Million men per $Trillion = 7.5 Million men

Army: 25% = 1.875 Million men - 8:1 logistics = 208,333 combat soldiers
Navy: 25% = 1.875 Million men - 6:1 logistics = 267,857 combat ship personnel
Marines: 25% = 1.875 Million men - 8:1 logistics - 208,333 combat soldiers
Air Force: 25% = 1.875 Million men - 20:1 logistics = 89,285 combat aircraft personnel

This military would be well equipped with the best stuff, very well trained, very well supplied and capable of holding their own against a much larger force. Some of you probably think these numbers are exceptionally small, but they are not, think about the idea that the U.S. in RL has the best military in the world with only about 1.3 million people in including logistics and support with about a one trillion budget. Small, well trained, well equipped and efficiently supplied militaries are the best as a general rule. You can budget $666,666.66 per person in your military with these figures to pay, feed, house and provide medical care for them, reasonably afford to buy them new equpment and supplies, such a new planes, carriers, etc. that cost hundreds of millions and even billions each. You can also afford some decent R & D to come up with new weapons.

MAYBE AS GOOD AS THE CHINESE MILITARY ON A REALLY GOOD DAY

Budget: $5,000,000,000,000.00 ($5 Trillion)

5 Million men per $Trillion = 25 Million men

Army: 25% = 6.25 Million men - 4:1 logistics = 1,250,000 combat soldiers
Navy: 25% = 6.25 Million men - 3:1 logistics = 1,560,250 combat ship personnel
Marines: 25% = 6.25 Million men - 4:1 logistics - 1,250,000 combat soldiers
Air Force: 25% = 6.25 Million men - 9:1 logistics = 625,000 combat aircraft personnel

Wow, much bigger military, gonna kick the uber army butt, right? Wrong! You've cut your spending to only $200,000.00 per soldier, barely 30% of what the "uber" military spends to outfit, train, etc. it's people. For every $3.00 you spend getting your guys trained and equpped with stuff, the uber army has spent $10.00. You've got aging Mig fighters in your airforce, they have F22 Raptors. They have guys ready to fix anything that breaks at any time. You are constantly on the scamble to keep up with your maintainance and keep everything in working order. R & D is gonna be tough, supply lines in a combat zone are subject to breakdown far to easily to be comfortable. You could beat the uber military if you plan things right, due to number superiority - just keep thoughing soldiers at them till they have to give. On a "level playing field" though, they are likely to mop the floor with you.

PRETTY DECENT MILITARY WITH AN "UBER" BRANCH

$5 Trilliion budget - 2 Million men per trillion = 10 million men

Army: 25% = 2.5 million men, 6:1 logistics = 357,142 combat soldiers
Navy: 25% = 2.5 million men, 5:1 logistics = 416,666 combat ship personnel
Marines: 25% = 2.5 million men, 4:1 logistics = 500,000 combat soldiers
Air Force: 25% = 2.5 million men, 21:1 logistics = 113,636 combat plane personnel

Your spending is now $500,000 per man - 76% of the uber military spending, you're spending $7.60 for every $10.00 the uber military spends. - but look at the logistics - your army is ok, could be better, but not bad. Your Navy is doing ok, not great, but definetly ready to hold it's own, as well. Your marines are just barely getting by, poor guys, at least they are marines. But your airforce is clearly the focus of the $500,000 per man you spend. Your army may get beat by the uber army, it may not, it's going to be a well fought battle. However, your airforce could go toe-to-toe with them any day. Your airplanes may not all be as good as the uber airforces, but you'll be close enough to them that when coupled with the additional pilots you have and a logistcs and support network that is as good and even better than the uber airforce, you're gonna do just fine in a air war with the uber military.


OK MILITARY WITH AN "UBER" ELITE SPECIAL BRANCH

$5 Trilliion budget - 3 Million men per trillion = 15 million men

Army: 20% = 3 million men, 6:1 logistics = 428,571 combat soldiers
Navy: 25% = 3.75 million men, 5:1 logistics = 625,000 combat ship personnel
Marines: 25% = 3.75 million men, 4:1 logistics = 750,000 combat soldiers
Air Force: 25% = 3.75 million men, 15:1 logistics = 234,375 combat plane personnel
Uber Forces: 5% = 750,000 men, 5:1 logistics = 125,000 uber elite special forces team

Your budget is $333,333.33 a man, 50% of the uber military total. Your logistics and support are ok - you've got enough people to put up a really good fight and possibly win, especially if you make good use of your "uber force" - a team of specialists that you have developed and that get more money and support than the other branches. There's only 125,000 of them, but they are gonna be better trained, equipped, supported, etc. than the uber army's crack green beret outfit - we talking Super Duper Navy Seals here. Just RP a little extra spending for them at the expense of some other forces.

THE PEACE TIME MILITARY

$5 Trillion Budget - 500,000 men per trillion = 2.5 million men

Army: 25% = 625,000 men, 6:1 logistics = 89,285 combat soldiers
Navy: 25% = 625,000 men, 5:1 logistics = 10,416 combat ship personnel
Marines: 25% = 625,000 men, 4:1 logistics = 125,000 combat soldiers
Air Force: 25% = 625,000 million men, 15:1 logistics = 41,666 combat plane personnel

Wow!!! you've got $2 million per person to spend - much more than is needed - the guys in the military should be well trained, well equipped, etc. Their support is decent, though not outstanding (well, the marines need some help, but hey, they're marines, they are used to suffering). You are ready to respond to a surprise attack in a decent fashion, depending on the size and nature of the attacker, and you have plenty of room to boost your military to combat strength. You also have lots of spare cash left over to R & D new stuff and buy new stuff - you look good - but when the uber combat army attacks by surprise, you're gonna have to scramble fast or you'll get your ass kicked hard.

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Hopefully these examples will explain a little bit more aobut how the military rule works and the inherent flexibility built into it that will let you style a military to your tastes. Just about any skill level of military is possible here. Have fun figuring out yours.
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Rules proposed by Mauiwowee and adopted for use in Earth V.
Complete explanation discussion found at http://www.zifos.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=398&start=0
Warta Endor
05-06-2005, 17:16
Warta Endor is invading or will invade very soon (*):
Phillipines
Chile*
Argentina*
Paraguay*
Bolivia*
Falkland Islands*
Hataria
05-06-2005, 18:34
Hataria will Invade

Chile


and that's about it.
Ato-Sara
05-06-2005, 18:37
Ato-Sara has invaded and is still pacifying Laos and Cambodia
Warta Endor
05-06-2005, 19:35
Let's have a nice fight over Chile then shall we Hataria?
Hataria
05-06-2005, 19:53
Let's have a nice fight over Chile then shall we Hataria?


Lets end the Poblem with Chile in a less....Bloody way, let devide Chile between our selves.
Warta Endor
05-06-2005, 20:02
Lets end the Poblem with Chile in a less....Bloody way, let devide Chile between our selves.

I can agree with that too. I propose the following:
(see map)
You'll get basicly everthing between Rio Coapa (the river) and Puerto Natales (a town down south on the red line) and Warta Ednor will control the rest including the islands.

Deal?

EDIT:as always, forgot teh map :P
http://img33.echo.cx/img33/4840/chiledivided6yo.th.jpg (http://img33.echo.cx/my.php?image=chiledivided6yo.jpg)
Hataria
06-06-2005, 01:17
Ok
Roman Republic
06-06-2005, 04:36
The Supreme Dictator of the Romans will invade:

Portugal, Switzerland, Sudan, Qatar, & Malawi
Mauiwowee
06-06-2005, 05:39
Mauiwowee is invading part of the Phillipines, Venezuala, Guyana and those other little countries between Brazil and Venezuala.
Sharina
06-06-2005, 05:56
Current status of Sharina Military Activity (SMA) in Earth V:

Immediate Invasions: (Present time until 1 RL week from now)

Ontario* (underway)
Maine* (underway)
Colombia* (underway)
Panama (underway)

Near-future Invasion plans: (Present time until 2 or 3 RL weeks from now)

Costa Rica
Quebec
Haiti
Dominican Republic

Final invasion plans: (2+ RL weeks from now and onwards)

Newfoundland
Prince Edwards Island
Labrador
Nova Scotia
Remainder of Canada
Any non-claimed Caribbean islands


* = Already approved by TGSR, and I own the territory according to Claims Lists..

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I'm seeking to unify North America, to create a continuous empire. I don't have any interest in claiming, annexing, or invading lands in Europe, Asia, or the Pacific. However this *may* change if someone from those areas invades me and I choose to counter-invade him / her.

I think a new, re-unified North America would make for a good politic and opens up new RP possibilities. Also, IIRC, Norleans is going for a new MT Confederacy States of America thing. It'd be interesting to see what develops in Earth V in North America, especially with the possibility of a reborn "Confederate States of America". :)
Roman Republic
06-06-2005, 21:24
I'm invading the nations I want except Qatar, we will negotiate about it

URL: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=424128