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F-36 Kunai Interceptor & Strike Aircraft (plus variants)

Clan Smoke Jaguar
05-06-2005, 10:27
F-36, FB-36, and B-36 Kunai


Program Origins
During the massive air raid on Omz222 by Hiroshikan forces, primarily B-1B Lancer aircraft, it was discovered that B-1B aircraft, using low altitude, high-speed penetration techniques, were able to evade some of the most modern air defenses, even in high concentrations. While the low altitude limited the effective range of SAM systems, it was also found that the planes, combining low altitude, countermeasures, and high speed, were able to prevent even advanced look-down/shoot-down radars from acquiring more than sporadic contact, preventing a positive lock needed for effective missile launch. Without the effective use of long range missiles, aircraft were required to get in close for a short-range engagement. But here, it was found that no interceptor could keep up with the B-1B at low altitudes. The failure of the Omzian defenses to effectively counter these aircraft until after they had dropped most of their bomb loads has shown that we are still vulnerable to modern bombers such as this, which have an unfortunately wide proliferation.

Owing to the failures in this operation, the Smoke Jaguar Air Force initiated a series of exercises and fly-offs with various aircraft and technologies to determine how best to deal with this threat. During the course of these exercises, it was found that, despite the age of the design and it's relative lack of complexity, the B-1B Lancer outperforms all other aircraft in high-speed, low altitude flight. While some other bombers, and a few fighters, can match its speed of Mach 1+ at low altitude, none can match the endurance, and more importantly, the agility of the B-1B. Because of this, the B-1 can easily lose itself in ground clutter, and proceed to outrun and/or outfly any aircraft that tries to come down after it. A degree of success was obtained in engaging the aircraft with long-range IIR-guided missiles, but it was found that, as often as not, the missiles couldn't be vectored to the target due to lack of radar contact. Similarly, while the Smoke Jaguar Air Force possesses AAM-armed B-1 aircraft, these are deemed too valuable and expensive to be used for defense of the homeland against long range bombers. Thus, it was determined that a new interceptor aircraft was needed - one that could follow, track, and engage the B-1B at all altitudes.


Aircraft Design
When CSJMI put out the requirement for the new heavy interceptor, three subcontractors provided potential designs. The design from Kuroneko Industries was designated YF-36, with the Lynx Aerodynamix design designated YF-37, and the final Ocelot Aerospace prototype receiving the YF-38 designation. During fly-off competition, it was determined that the YF-37 was overly complex for the assigned role, while the YF-38 sacrificed too much for a Mach 1+ supercruise at low level. Thus, it was the Kuroneko YF-36 that recieved the contract for further testing and development.

The selected design, the YF-36, with its sleek contours, variable geometry wings, and single tail fin, bears more than a superficial resemblence to the older F-111 aircraft, and indeed can often been mistaken for this. This is not surprising, as the two were designed for very similar performance requirements. However, the YF-36 is vastly different in internal layout, control surfaces, hard point layout, and avionics. One of the most immediately noticable differences is the fuselage, which includes multiple hard points for fuel tanks and heavy weapons, and the trained eye might also notice the more outboard wing pivots, which were to allow for a much heavier inboard underwing hardpoint. The unit also has fewer hard points in the wings, which help relieve some of the problems found with heavily loaded F-111 aircraft. Additionally, a look toward the nose of the aircraft would also reveal the presence of an SMCS system similar to that of the B-1, designed to help improve the handling of the aircraft in low-altitude high speed flight. Much of the nose is made up by the Panther Dynamics AN/APG-489 radar system, a successor to the long range radars on the F-14 and F-30. This is rated with an effective range exceeding 500 km against a bomber-sized target, with look-up/shoot-up and look-down/shoot-down capabiltiy. Fire control systems slaved to the radar allow the engagement of over two dozen targets simultaneously, taking full advantage of the plane's high weapons load.
Though efforts were made to make the aircraft stealthy, speed was deemed to be more important, as this is still primarily a home defense weapon. This shows best in the boxy intakes, designed for maximum airflow to allow for optimum efficiency in the plane's powerful Ocelot Aerospace OE-173D Turbofans. These provide another major distinction for the aircraft. Unlike the underpowered TF30-P103 turbofans on the F-111, these powerful engines put out up to 17,500 kg (38,588 lbs) of thrust each on full burn, and can propel the aircraft to speeds exceeding Mach 2.65 at altitude, and 1.3 at sea level. Due to airframe constraints, the YF-36 lacks the supercruise of modern aircraft, instead opting for greater low altitude performance. In this area, the plane is designed to cruise at up to 1080 km/h (Mach 0.88) at sea level, which, combined with its high speed on afterburner and high low-altitude agility, makes it perfectly capable of catching up to a B-1 "on the deck." As agility was not paramount in the design, full thrust vectoring was not instituted. However, limited vectoring was instituted to improve angle of attack, takeoff and landing performance, and overall handling. Not designed for the high stesses of fighter combat, the airframe was designed for stresses of up to 6.5 Gs, or 4.5 Gs with a full load. While this leaves the unit at a disadvantage against fighters at close range, it has the speed and missile load to make such engagements rare.


Sensors
The primary sensor is the previously noted Panther Dynamics AN/APG-489 radar system. This is one of the most advanced radars of its type and provides one of the premier fighter-borne radar systems in the world, leaving the aircraft a highly capable high altitude intercepter to complement its low altitude performance. The radar is a variable frequency third-generation LPI system with a detection range "of up to 560 km against large targets," and the ability to track up to 450 targets simultaneously, engaging up to 30. Additionally, the aircraft maintains a full ECM suite complete with passive radar and laser sensors and powerful IR, radar, and laser jamming systems; and an IRST system provides an alternate option to the radar out to ranges of up to 150 km, though this is dependant on the speed of the target aircraft and weather conditions. There is also a FLIR sensor for the terrain avoidance system, allowing extremely low altitude flight without the radar emissions necessary to most bombers.


Weapons
The F-36 has a vary large armament, including a small internal bomb bay (allowing for a load of missiles while still flying in a "clean" configuration, mostly for low level interception), 2 underwing hard points, and 8 fuselage hard points. With these, the primary weapon of the F-36 is a wide variety of air-to-air missiles, the exact type and mix of which are determined depending on the role of the aircraft. For example, as a high-altitude bomber interceptor, it can carry up to eight Pheonix, AERAAM, Kai, or similar long-range missiles, with a further eight AMRAAM, Sidewinder, or similar short/medium range missiles. For shorter range engagements, it can have up to 24 short and medium range missiles, giving it the punch of 2-3 normal interceptors.
Naturally, the aircraft was designed with some multirole capabilities, and is a capable ground attack unit, carrying a wide variety of munitions, up to and including a pair of Donnerschlag antishipping missiles (or 4 Bankarits) or 24 1000 lb bombs. However, with the primary role being intercept, ground attack is limited, though targeting pods can be carried to increase PGM capability.
Additionally, the aircraft maintains a 27mm Mauser cannon, though 30mm and 20mm cannons can be installed instead, should it be desired.


Propulsion
The new Ocelot Aerospace OE-173D Hybrid Turbofans, with their excellent power, were a natural choice for this aircraft. They put out a full 17,500 kg (38,588 lbs) thrust while afterburning, and still an impressive 11,000 kg (24,255 lbs) dry. This allows for a maximum speed of Mach 2.65 at altitude, and 1.3 at sea level, with a maximum cruise speed of Mach 1.12 at altitude and 0.88 at sea level, though economical cruise speed is a bit lower (Mach 0.9 at altitude, and 0.73 at sea level). This allows this aircraft to overtake (or outrun) any potential target at low altitude, and leaves few that could escape it at high altitudes. Some have seen the addition of these engines as a step backwards in design, but the fact remains that this kind of performance cannot be provided by the low-bypass turbofans favored for high supercruise capabitliy, and with a Mach 0.88 cruise at sea level, this plane can actually cruise faster than many fighters can pull on full afterburner!
Also of note, the YF-36 has a very high fuel fraction. While most combat aircraft have 0.25 - 0.33, the F-36 had one of 0.42, resulting in a very long range with light loads, and helping compensate for the lower cruising speeds. In fact, with the maximum load, the F-36 is still maintaining an 0.35 fuel fraction, resulting in excellent range even with heavy loads.


Variants
With the excellent high and low-altitude performance of the YF-36, the potential applications as a strike aircraft were not lost. After all, something that can catch up to anything at low altitudes, can also out run anything. With that in mind, the FB-36 was born. This plane drops the heavy APG-489 for an APG-461 dual-mode radar. Though only effective out to 150 km against fighter-sized targets, and can only track up to 60 targets at a time, it maintains the same multi-target capabiltiy and includes a ground attack mode for strike missions. The space and weight savings allowed the aircraft to have an additional 1000 kg ordnance, and targeting systems for PGMs are fitted as standard.
Further refinements resulted in an enlarged, full bomber version, dubbed the B-36. This unit can carry an impressive 18,000 kg of ordnance. Air-to-air avionics have been limited to defensive only, though the aerial intercept radar is still effective to 150 km, to allow the bomber to use heavier medium-range missiles with enough overreach to engage fighters before they can launch missiles themselves. The aircraft also adds 2 more wing pylons, allowing for a much larger load (though these are only rated to 907 kg each), and the heavy payload means it can employ a pair of the devastating Lightning Bolt missiles along with a pair of Bankarit, or alternately, four Donnerschlag weapons, giving it a credible antishipping role.
For all variants, a carrier-capable sub-version was also designed. For Smoke Jaguar forces, these would be operated from MOBs and Kanae Morino vessels, and occasionally Wilson Shires. However, these may prove valuable on the heavier carriers being developed by several OMP member nations, especially due to the attractive low-altitude performance.
Refinements to the B-36 airframe resulted in the EB-36 electronic warfare variant. This removed the gun and much of the avionics to include the AN/ALQ-301 Multifunction Electronic warfare system. This system is an advancement over previous tactical jamming systems in several areas. For starters, the heavy load carrying ability of the aircraft allowed for heavier and more powerful jamming pods, and each has over twice the output and processing power over contemporary systems. Additionally, advances in computer hardware and software, as well as the great deal of extra room in the B-36 airframe, has allowed for a much greater flexibility, and with different pods and mission software packages, the system can fill the full range of tactical jamming, communications jamming, ELINT, SIGINT, and COMINT duties. The pods themselvs weigh 2000-3000 kg each, and are mounted on two wing and two heavy fuselage points (which can alternately carry large fuel tanks for increased range). The small bay is retained to carry 6 medium or short-range missiles for self-defense, and the remaining hard points are optimized for a variety of antiradiation missiles, giving this aircraft a solid hard-kill capability. Most importantly, this aircraft provides the speed of a fighter with the heavy jamming capabilities of an attack aircraft derivative, and thus provides superior escort for high-performance aircraft on strike missions.
The final variant is the KB-36. This was initialized owing to the fact that the current round of carrier tankers were completely insufficient to provide service to the heavy F/FB/B-36 aircraft. While the basic versions are fully capable of carrying buddy stores systems, these limit fuel offload to only 12-15,000 kg, which is on par with the current tankers, and still insufficient. Thus, a dedicated tanker version was born. This unit, with its incredibly high fuel load, is essentially a faster carrier-borne KC-130. Capable of offloading up to 34,000 kg of fuel, it can provide refueling service for up to 2 Kunais at short range, and can still offload an impressive 19,000 kg at 1000nm, far exceeding contemporary carrier-borne tankers.

Capabilities
Test have shown the F-36 to be a highly capable bomber destroyer and bomber formation destroyer, that is, with various armaments, effective at engaging aircraft at any altitude, and ranges up to 500 km. It is also the most capable low-level, high speed aircraft currently available, and the only interceptor capable of matching, and exceeding, the B-1's performance in low level flight.
Furthermore, the aircraft has displayed an ability to intercept mass cruise missile and fighter formations at medium to long range, due to its high payload and exceptional tracking and engagement systems.
The FB and B-36 aircraft have already demonstrated that there are no aircraft that can keep up with them at low altitude, except for the F-36 itself, and this makes them exceptionally effective in low-level tactical strikes, and, when rough terrain near a coastline is available, they have proven to be a superb antishipping platform, using the terrain to mask them before firing off volleys of medium and heavy missiles, and then retreating back through the same terrain, where no carrier fighter has much chance of intercepting them. These same abilities have also been noted for the strategic role, in which case these are effective aircraft, though the lack of range makes plentiful tanker support necessary.

Production & Export
The F-36, FB-36, and B-36 aircraft are currently in low-rate initial production, and full-scale production is expected to begin within the year. The aircraft have been selected for the Smoke Jaguar Navy and Air Force, with a total requirement of 12,000 units of all types, to be delivered over the next 12 years, and while firm requirements have not as yet been released, the Omzian Navy and Air Force are expected to follow with significant orders of their own.
For export, the aircraft will be made available to select allies of Clan Smoke Jaguar at the standard price, and other select nations through both Omz222 and Clan Smoke Jaguar for the export price. Most of these are those whose relations are already established, and while we are open to negotiations, it is highly likely that outsiders would require considerable time and investment before being approved as export customers for this particular unit.


Specifications

F-36 Kunai
Type: Two-seat high-speed interceptor / two-seat high-speed fighter-bomber
Crew: 2
Empty Weight: 23,281 kg
Maximum Weight: 52,579 kg
Length: 22.65m
Height: 5.2m
Wingspan: 11m (wings swept), 10.75m (oversweep-for storage), 21m (wings forward)
Speed: Mach 2.65 (2820 km/h) at altitude, Mach 1.3 (1595 km/h) at sea level
Range: 7500 km ferry
Combat Radius (typical intercept): 1000 km low-low-low, 1720 km high-low-high, 2300 km high-high-high
Combat Radius (typical strike): 840 km low-low-low, 1520 km high-low-high
Armament: 1x27mm cannon (options for 20mm or 30mm) w/ 500 rounds; 1xInternal bay, 8xFuselage & 2xUnderwing hard point for 11,000 kg
-6-8xPhoenix equivalent, 8xSidewinder/AMRAAM equivalent (high-altitude interception)
-6-24xSidewinder/ARMAAM equivalent (low-altitude interception)
-14-24xSidewinder/AMRAAM equivalent (air superiority)
-6xSidewinder/AMRAAM equivalent, 20x340 or 454 kg bombs (heavy strike)
Cost: $130 million (F-36), $140 million (export), $140 million (F-36C naval variant), $150 million (naval variant-export)

FB-36 Kunai
Type: Two-seat high-speed interceptor / two-seat high-speed fighter-bomber
Crew: 2
Empty Weight: 22,281 kg
Maximum Weight: 55,579 kg
Length: 22.65m
Height: 5.2m
Wingspan: 11m (wings swept), 10.75m (oversweep-for storage), 21m (wings forward)
Speed: Mach 2.65 (2820 km/h) at altitude, Mach 1.3 (1595 km/h) at sea level
Range: 7500 km ferry
Combat Radius (typical intercept): 1000 km low-low-low, 1720 km high-low-high, 2300 km high-high-high
Combat Radius (typical strike): 840 km low-low-low, 1520 km high-low-high
Armament: 1x27mm cannon (options for 20mm or 30mm) w/ 500 rounds; 1xInternal bay, 8xFuselage & 2xUnderwing hard point for 12,000 kg
-6-8xPhoenix equivalent, 8xSidewinder/AMRAAM equivalent (high-altitude interception)
-6-24xSidewinder/ARMAAM equivalent (low-altitude interception)
-14xSidewinder/AMRAAM equivalent (air superiority)
-6xSidewinder/AMRAAM equivalent, 24x340 or 454 kg bombs (heavy strike)
Cost: $125 million (FB-36), $135 million (export), $135 million (FB-36C naval variant), $145 million (export-naval variant)

B-36 Kunai
Type: Two-seat high-speed medium bomber
Crew: 2
Empty Weight: 24,279 kg
Maximum Weight: 65,287 kg
Length: 24.15m
Height: 5.2m
Wingspan: 12.4m (wings swept), 11.2m (oversweep-for storage), 23.2m (wings forward)
Speed: Mach 2.65 (2820 km/h) at altitude, Mach 1.3 (1595 km/h) at sea level
Range: 9000 km ferry
Combat Radius (typical strike): 1200 km low-low-low, 2240 km high-low-high, 3000 km high-high-high
Armament: 1x27mm cannon (options for 20mm or 30mm) w/ 500 rounds; 1xInternal bay, 8xFuselage & 4xUnderwing hard point for 18,000 kg
-6xSidewinder/AMRAAM equivalent, 32x340 or 454 kg bomb (heavy strike)
-6xSidewinder/AMRAAM equivalent, 18x907 kg bomb (heavy strike)
-6xSidewinder/AMRAAM equivalent, 8x907 OR 10x454 kg bomb (for low-altitude high-speed dash)
Cost: $150 million (B-36), $160 million (export), $160 million (B-33C naval variant), $170 million (naval variant-export)

EB-36 Kunai
Type: Four-seat high-speed airborne jamming/ELINT aircraft
Crew: 4
Empty Weight: 26,279 kg
Maximum Weight: 64,287 kg
Length: 24.15m
Height: 5.2m
Wingspan: 12.4m (wings swept), 11.2m (oversweep-for storage), 23.2m (wings forward)
Speed: Mach 2.65 (2820 km/h) at altitude, Mach 1.3 (1595 km/h) at sea level
Range: 9000 km ferry
Combat Radius: 2200 km high-high-high w/ full load
Armament: 1xInternal bay, 6xFuselage & 4xUnderwing hard point for 16,000 kg
-Up to 4xAN/ALQ-301 Electronic Warfare Pod, 6xSidewinder/AMRAAM equivalent, 8xHARM equivalent
Cost: $180 million (EB-36A), $190 million (export), $190 million (carrier version), $200 million (carrier version-export)

KB-36 Kunai
Type: Two-seat high-speed tanker aircraft
Crew: 2
Empty Weight: 23,279 kg
Maximum Weight: 64,287 kg
Length: 24.15m
Height: 5.2m
Wingspan: 12.4m (wings swept), 11.2m (oversweep-for storage), 23.2m (wings forward)
Speed: Mach 2.65 (2820 km/h) at altitude, Mach 1.3 (1595 km/h) at sea level
Range: 9000 km ferry
Max Fuel Offload: 34,000 kg
Armament: 2xUnderwing & 2xFuselage hard point (up to 6 Sidewinder/AMRAAM equivalent)
Fuel Offload: 34,000 kg @ 185 km w/ 1 hour on station
-19,000 kg @ 1850 km w/ 1 hour on station
Cost: $110 million (B-36), $120 million (export), $120 million (B-33C naval variant), $130 million (naval variant-export)


Special Armaments Associated with (but not limited to) the F-36

The F-36 is the first aircraft designed to be able to operate the new AIM-441 Kai long-range missile without AWACS support. This weapon has been in development for some time, and was initially intended for the F-30 fighter, though it appears that the F-36 may become its primary platform. The complementary AIM-452 Raiden is a heavier medium-range missile that can provide excellent strikes against targets beyond 100 km, and is available to all variants of this and other Smoke Jaguar aircraft.
Please note that these missiles, while the primary units intended for these aricraft, can easily be replaced by other heavy and light/medium AAMs, and these will not be made readily available to any beyond the few customers that will be exempted from the export price for the basic airframes. Others may, however, consider working out a deal for acquisition of the technology.

AIM-441 Kai
Weight: 680 kg
Speed: Mach 9 (9575 km/h)
Range: 450+ km
Guidance: Inertial w/ data link
Warhead: 90 kg KE or 82 kg HE
An extremely fast 1500 lb class missile intended for long-range interception of bombers and surveillance aircraft. This is designed to be carried primarily by the domestically produced F-30, though it can be operated by any aircraft that can pull Mach 1.8 while carrying the missile externally. The missile’s extreme speed provides a flight time of just over 3 minutes to maximum range, and as it cannot incorporate much in the way of guidance, it uses the lack of response time generated by its incredible speed to ensure destruction of the target. Due to the velocities involved, the missile primarily relies on a hit-to-kill system, with the warhead section separating into 5 18 kg incendiary KE vehicles during the terminal phase to increase the chances of a hit. Alternately, the missile can carry an 82 kg HE warhead with timed detonation, though this isn’t recommended due to the fact that there is virtually no margin for error.
Cost: $1.5 million

AIM-452 Raiden
Weight: 150 kg (200 kg w/ booster)
Speed: Mach 4.9
Range: 108 km (150 km w/ booster)
Guidance: Active radar, IR, or IIR w/ 2-way datalink
Warhead: 42 kg blast fragmentation
A lighter ramjet powered missile for BVR engagements. The unit has very high speed, long range, and surprisingly good agility, which, when combined with its powerful warhead and man-in-the-loop capability, provides for an effective BVRAAM. The weapon can either use the speed of the aircraft to initiate the ramjet engine (though only when mounted externally), or alternately incorporate a booster to accelerate it to the necessary velocities.
Cost: $850,000
Tom Joad
05-06-2005, 14:26
Reminds me heavily of the TSR-2, obviously not in terms of interdiction but bomber capabilities, certainly seems like a very interesting niche and makes me wonder if I should revise my views on phasing out the TSR-2s I operate. It might be an old bird but it could certainly give your new aircraft a run for its money, ah well.
Omz222
05-06-2005, 17:24
OOC: Hmm, thinking about the sub-variants, are they included in the domestic production contract as well? Included is a huge order for the Kai missile. /OOC

Omzian Forces Press Release

After a series of restless evaluations and rigorous tests, it has been decided that the F-36 Kunai and all their subvariants into the service of the Omzian Navy and the Omzian Air Force. Though the original requirement called out only for around 6000 aircraft, a further development of these requirements has expanded this requirement to around 9000 aircraft for services in both the Omzian Air Force and Navy. It is believed that all five variants except the tanker variant will serve in the Omzian Air Force, while all five variants except the fighter-bomber variant will serve in the Omzian Navy.

It is also expected that after said production process is kickstarted to full rate, OMASC will also considering open up the F-36 for export to close allies of the Omzian nation, at a price $10 million above the original set price. However, it is also expected that unlike some other products, the export of these will be controlled even more strict, to ensure that these technologies does not leak into the hands of potential adversaries.

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Finally, it is believed that the Omzian Air Force and the Omzian Navy will issue CSJMI a joint order of 92,800 AIM-441 Kai missiles, to fulfill a requirement to complement other heavy AAMs within the Omzian service, and we believe that the total sum of money is $139.2 billion, to be delivered in ten batches over a period of ten months. It is believed that further acquision of the missile will also occur, after evaluations of the missile on other platforms such as the Omzian F-125 high speed interceptor and the F-14G.
Alternatively, if CSJMI desires and if the production requirement is too high, we are willing to pay a large sum of money to acquire a domestic production license (for use within Omzian military only) for the Kai missile.
Calpe
05-06-2005, 17:37
ooc: CSJ, any chance you would consider selling this to me?...i`ll place an order if i got your ok......really nice btw...too bad it doesnt have a pic too
Clan Smoke Jaguar
05-06-2005, 19:33
OOC: Yes Omz, the rights will include all variants. Also, for clarification, the extra $10 million was intended to be above the base price, though if you want to sell them for $10 million above the export price and ring in the extra profits, I won't say anything.

Calpe, I was considering you as a, export customer in the near future, but to be fair, I do have to wait for relations to improve, otherwise it wouldn't be fair to anyone else who tried. If you want to try and get closer ties to the Smoke Jaguar government, we're always open. Economic and military agreements that would be beneficial to us are the quickest way to weasel in, and if things go well, you could be getting delivery within a week or two (RL). You just need the trust and confidence of those in the Smoke Jaguar government, which obviously doesn't come too lightly.
For the pic, I could use one of a Tornado or F-111 (was tossing around the idea for awhile), though that would require suspension of disbelief, which is known to be too much for some people . . .
Unfortunately, I have only very limited artistic talent.

Tom Joad, I would let the old birds die in peace. While it had high performance, the speed and range of the TSR.2 were provided at the expense of payload (on a massive scale), and it has one of the worst payload-to-weight ratios of any combat aircraft (2721 kg max in a 35,000 kg airframe). Thus, while it did have a conventional role, this was mostly political, as the load was already light considering aircraft of the time, and aircraft less than 1/3 of its weight were outdoing it. Even an F-5A can match that load, and while it's only got 1/6th the combat radius, it's also less than 1/6th the price. Really, the only missions the TSR.2 did truly well (effectively and economically) were getting a single nuclear bomb deep into enemy territory and high-speed reconnaissance. In every other role, it was sorely outclassed even by other designs of its time. The TSR.2 also lacked the agility of current low-level attack craft like the Tornado and B-1B. Really, I would replace them with Tornadoes, F-111s, or a newer aircraft something like this. 2721 kg payload is simply pathetic for a modern ground attack aircraft.
Still, it was a great bird, and I did think about it when I made this, though the F-14, F-111, B-1, and Tornado were the real models, with some influence from a number of others.



IC:
Owing to Omzian requests for the Kai missile in extremely large numbers, CSJMI has made an offer to sell production rights for $20 billion, to ease the burden on production lines, which would be hard pressed to fill the combined Omzian and Smoke Jaguar requirements in less than 20 years. With this agreement, if accepted, Omzian and Smoke Jaguar requirements could be filled in less than half the time, and with some room for exports to other select nations.
Calpe
05-06-2005, 19:38
ooc: join AIM please...i`m gonna try and weasel myself in :p
Omz222
05-06-2005, 19:46
This is indeed possible, and we feel that the conversion of Omzian facilities to accomdate production of the missiles for both nations would only produce positive effects in the long term, while guarenteeing a larger wartime supply of these missile systems. Thus, we are readying the $20 billion for wiring in four segments within a period of 6 months.

OOC: In regards to Calpe's comment. There are still many who does not have a picture for their product (while others has line drawings instead) for a variety of reasons. One important factor to consider however, is that a picture of a real life aircraft or concept may not be able to accurately portray the major features of the aircraft, thus sometimes getting a picture for the product may actually be counterproductive in some respects.
UNIverseVERSE
05-06-2005, 21:12
To: CSJMI Sales Control Board, CSJ Ministry of Defence,
Clan Smoke Jaguar
CC: OMASC Sales Control Board, Omzian Ministry of Defence,
Omzian Democratic Republic
From: Alastair Irving, GenSec, Fighter Procurement, Air Force, Dept of
Defense.
Subject: Possible procurement of the F-36 'Kunai' Interceptor and Strike
Aircraft.

Sirs. On behalf of both the Air Force, and the Naval Air Wing, I am
authorized to place the following order for our home defenses and force
projection capabilities if necessary.

100x F-36 - for fourteen billion (14,000,000,000) USD
100x F-36C - for fifteen bilion (15,000,000,000) USD
100x FB-36 - for thirteen and a half billion (13,500,000,000) USD
100X FB-36C - for fourteen and a half billion (14,500,000,000) USD

This order totals fifty-seven billion (57,000,000,000) USD

Also, again on behalf of both the Air Force and the Naval Air wing, I am
authorized to place a request for purchase of the prodution rights to both
the AIM-441 'Kai' and AIM-452 'Raiden' air-to-air missiles, for a total of two
hundred and thirty-five billion (235,000,000,000) USD.

This will bring the total for the order to two hundred and ninety-two billion
(292,000,000,000) USD, which, as our nations are not very familiar, we will
raise to three hundred billion (300,000,000,000) USD.

Thank you for considering our offer, and, whatever the outcome of this
potential deal, I wish both your nations a prosperous future.

Yours Sincerely, Alastair Irving.

OOC: Send me a telegram for AIM and MSN contact details, if needed.
The Silver Sky
05-06-2005, 21:54
To: CSJMI Sales Control Board, CSJ Ministry of Defence,
Clan Smoke Jaguar
CC: OMASC Sales Control Board, Omzian Ministry of Defence,
Omzian Democratic Republic
From: The Silver Sky, Department of Defence, General Marcus Cromwell, Admiral Michael Sutherland.
Subject: Procurement of the F-36 'Kunai' Interceptor and Strike
Aircraft.

Sirs. On behalf of both the Air Force, and the Naval Air Force, We are
authorized by Congress to place the following order for our home defenses and force projection capabilities if necessary.

200x F-36 - for $28 billion (28,000,000,000) USD
200x F-36C - for $30 bilion (30,000,000,000) USD
100x B-36 - for $16 billion (16,000,000,000) USD
100X B-36C - for $17 billion (17,000,000,000) USD
50x EB-36 - for $9.5 Billion (9,500,000,000) USD
50x EB-36C - for $10 Billion (10,000,000,000) USD
20x KC-36 - for $2.4 Billion (2,400,000,000) USD
20x KC-36C - for $2.6 Bllion (2,600,000,000) USD

This order totals $125 billion (125,000,000,000) USD

Also, again on behalf of both the Air Force and the Naval Air Force, We are
authorized to place a request for purchase of the prodution rights to both
the AIM-441 'Kai' and AIM-452 'Raiden' air-to-air missiles, you may name your own price.

This will bring the total for the order to $125 billion
(125,000,000,000) USD, which, as our nations are not very familiar, we will
raise to $175 billion (175,000,000,000) USD.

Thank you for considering our offer, and, whatever the outcome of this
potential deal, I wish both your nations a prosperous future.

Yours Sincerely,
[Signed]
President Jason Garner
General Marcus Cromwell
Admiral Michael Sutherland
The Silver Sky
Tom Joad
05-06-2005, 22:34
Wikipedia disagrees with you, the TSR-2 had an empty weight of 24,834kg, a loaded weight of 36,169kg and a maximum takeoff weight of 46,357kg. The original payload is indeed low, however planned upgrades in the design anticipated an 11,000kg payload increase on top of its existing payload. Besides that they are good aircraft, I see them in the same way the RAF sees its Jaguars and Canberra’s and besides it’s a weakness I want to keep.

Not quite sure how the F-14 fits into your design though, seems very different designs and quite unrelated but the others do, even if the F-111 proved to be just as expensive as the TSR-2 was proving to be, one of the reasons it wasn’t adopted by the RAF. Regardless it’s a quality design you’ve got although it could do with a supecruise capability in my opinion as it is just so valuable even with a high fuel efficiency ratio.
Clan Smoke Jaguar
06-06-2005, 13:53
To: Alastair Irving, GenSec, Fighter Procurement, Air Force, Dept of
Defense.
From: Kevin B. Anderson, CSJMI Sales Department.
Subject: Possible procurement of the F-36 'Kunai' Interceptor and Strike
Aircraft.

Unfortunately, though your offer is quite generous, the government of Clan Smoke Jaguar is not willing to provide this technology to nations that they do not have long estabilshed relations with. The issue is not money, but rather trust in the goals and stability of the people and regime of the nation in question. This is especially so in the FB, EB, and B-36 variants, whose role is entirely offensive in nature.
In order to procure these aircraft, along with many of our other advanced equipments, a nation must first establish the trust and respect of the Smoke Jaguar or Omzian government, an act that requires overtures on your part, and both patience and time. Such relations take years, sometimes even decades to mature. One can only get started and let them move along at a natural pace.

With this particular unit, there are just no shortcuts. Others may be available with generous offers, but these are not for sale to those who we are not exceptionally familiar with. So, while we do apologize, we cannot approve your request.


Sincerely,
Kevin B. Anderson



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To: The Silver Sky, Department of Defence, General Marcus Cromwell, Admiral Michael Sutherland
From: From: Kevin B. Anderson, CSJMI Sales Department.
Subject: Procurement of the F-36 'Kunai' Interceptor and Strike
Aircraft.


We are sorry, but the restrictions placed on this unit come from a desire to ensure that it is used in a manner acceptable to the Smoke Jaguar government. Therefore, only those who we know and trust, with established relations, can procure the aircraft or the missiles. There are no shortcuts here, and the only way to acquire the units is to become a nation with established good relations with Clan Smoke Jaguar, or possibly Omz222. This, however, is not a simple process, and will requre a great deal of time, though the benefits can be exceptional. If sincere attempts to improve relations between our nations are made, this can be done without much trouble, but at this time, the answer will have to be "no"


Sincerely,
Kevin B. Anderson






OOC:
You're right Tom Joad, I did forget about the upgrade, though that entails its own problems. However, in the end, the airframe is still old, and the plane should be in need of replacement. If you want to keep them, that's fine. After all, I still have guys flying F-5Bs and A-4 Skyhawks.

As for the F-14 in the design, that's simple. The design of an aircraft includes all aspects, and while I took little from it for the airframe itself (though there are a few aspects of the wings it helped influence), the main pull of the design was it's avionics. In systems that would be very useful in an interceptor, the F-14 is a veritable gold mine, and I borrowed more than a little from it. That's where it came in.
Omz222
06-06-2005, 15:25
OOC: Hmm, another question for the naval variant. How many B-36 variants can replace the 24x A-15s on the Kanae Morino and Wilson Shire? Also, does the 3:2 ratio (which you mentioned for replacing the A-15 with the FB variant) also apply to replacing F-14s with the F-36C variant?
UNIverseVERSE
06-06-2005, 15:53
To: Kevin B. Anderson, CSJMI Sales Department.
From: Alastair Irving, GenSec, Fighter Procurement, Air Force, Dept of
Defense.
Subject: Possible procurement of the F-36 'Kunai' Interceptor and Strike
Aircraft.

Sir. Our government appreciates your concerns, and we fully understand
your position on this matter. While we are not exactly delighted with your
position, we will accept it, and will strive to enhance diplomatic relations
with your nation, with a view towards a possible alliance at some point in
the future. In regards to this aim, we wish to enquire about the possibility
of the establishment of a diplomatic office, or even an embassy, in your
nation. Please adress communiqués on a possible trade agreement to
Samuel Robinson, PermSec, Foreign Trade UnderDept, Dept of Trade and
Industry, and on diplomatic relations to Ignatius Boyd, Minister for Foriegn
Affairs.

We thank you for responding to our communiqué on this matter, and hope
that our nations can progress together.

Yours Sincerely, Alastair Irving

OOC: My 500th post!
Clan Smoke Jaguar
06-06-2005, 16:06
OOC: The A-15 is 19.4 meters long, with a folded wingspan of 8.26 meters. In the end, the biggest issue is how they're arranged. Side-by-side, (and assuming an extra 5m available for length) you could fit up to 4 B-36s in place of 5 A-15s. The same 2:3 ratio listed, however, would be the more advisable choice, especially if length comes into play, though 4:5 or 3:4 is often possible.

The F-14 has a length of 18.6 meters, and a wing oversweep of a little less than that of this aircraft (10.15m). Again, with most storage, it could actually replace the F-14 on almost a 1 for 1 basis, though 2:3, 3:4, or 4:5 would all be a bit more advisable.


The main issue lies in how the carrier arranges it. In realy small carriers (or bigger ones with an overload storage), the ratio would be lower as length is coming into play, but for normal parking in many carriers, these can replace most aircraft in a close to 4:5 ratio. I just gave myself leeway to ensure that it's not too far off.


Edit: Remember that many NS carriers are modeled after the Nimitz, which, at present, is carrying far less than it actually can.
For example, if using the standard 72-plane air wing, you could probably replace F-14s on a 1-for-1 basis, as it is actually using only 80-90% of its actual capacity with the 72 aircraft complement (depending on composition, specifically F/A-18C/D vs E/F). In fact, while doing that, you'd still have enough space to switch the EA-6Bs for EB-36s and, if using F/A-18Cs, you could also proabably switch a squadron of those for B-36s, with room to spare.
The Silver Sky
06-06-2005, 16:44
To: Kevin B. Anderson, CSJMI Sales Department.
From: Jason Garner, President, The Silver Sky
Subject: Possible procurement of the F-36 'Kunai' Interceptor and Strike
Aircraft.

Sir. We appreciates your concerns, and we fully understand
your position on this matter. While we are not exactly delighted with your
position, we will none the less accept it, and will strive to enhance diplomatic relations with your nation, with a view towards an alliance at some point in the future. In regards to this aim, we wish to ask about the possibility of the establishment of a diplomatic office, or even an embassy, in your nation. Please adress communiqués on a possible trade agreement or alliance directly to us.

We thank you for responding to our communiqué on this matter, and hope
that our nations can progress together.

Yours Sincerely,
[Signed]
President Jason Garner
UNIverseVERSE
06-06-2005, 20:08
OOC: Wasn't that a straight copy and paste of my message?
The Silver Sky
06-06-2005, 20:14
OOC: Wasn't that a straight copy and paste of my message?
Almost! I changed around a few words to make it more me... I've been really busy ok, you messege was like perfect. Sorry!
UNIverseVERSE
06-06-2005, 20:52
Almost! I changed around a few words to make it more me... I've been really busy ok, you messege was like perfect. Sorry!
Fine by me, means I'm getting good at writing official communiqués. 'Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery'
The Silver Sky
06-06-2005, 20:56
Fine by me, means I'm getting good at writing official communiqués. 'Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery'True that.
Ok we better stop spamming his thread. :D
Clan Smoke Jaguar
09-06-2005, 23:38
To: Kevin B. Anderson, CSJMI Sales Department.
From: Jason Garner, President, The Silver Sky
Subject: Possible procurement of the F-36 'Kunai' Interceptor and Strike
Aircraft.

Sir. We appreciates your concerns, and we fully understand
your position on this matter. While we are not exactly delighted with your
position, we will none the less accept it, and will strive to enhance diplomatic relations with your nation, with a view towards an alliance at some point in the future. In regards to this aim, we wish to ask about the possibility of the establishment of a diplomatic office, or even an embassy, in your nation. Please adress communiqués on a possible trade agreement or alliance directly to us.

We thank you for responding to our communiqué on this matter, and hope
that our nations can progress together.

Yours Sincerely,
[Signed]
President Jason Garner
To: Jason Garner, President, The Silver Sky
From: Elsa von Shtumann, Chairwoman, Smoke Jaguar Foreign Relations Committee
Subject: Possible Diplomatic Exchange

We are honored by the offer of The Silver Sky, and would be perfectly willing to provide an embassy exchange in order to facilitate increased relations between our two great nations. Khan Kabrinsky herself, though extremely busy with several foreign incidents, has nonetheless taken the time to lend her personal support of a full embassy exchange, despite our lack of contact in the past.

Should this exchange be accepted, we will direct you to address communiques to Fenix Kotare of the Smoke Jaguar Diplomatic Affairs Office, regarding size and location of embassies in both nations.


Sincerely
[Signed]
Elsa von Shtumann