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The Republic of Vehayah has for several years developed a substantial army by way of cloning. Since the construction of the nation, it's army it has recieved superior training in all forms of combat both mental and physical. Now with the armies at a critical mass, Vehayah, with permission from The Holy Republic of Invernal, has decided to move half it's forces around it's brother nation in hopes to help defend and support the under-militarized nation. Any nation who takes an act of aggression towards Invernal or Vehayah will recieve immediate resistance and retaliation upon them aswell as any and all allies.

The collective of the government of Invernal thanks the nation of Vehayah for these processions, and its protection. Your forces will be well received and fittingly accommodated until the completion of your bases and other military structures.

We wish to know how your training qualifies as 'superior', superior to what?

OOC: Are you Future or Modern Tech? If modern, your cloned armies will be ignored by most, im afraid...

Perhaps clones could be considered PT (progressive tech). I use PT when warranted, such as AI units and recon tracking from space. PT is in that nebulous area between MT and FT.
Xeraph also has an allied nation in it's region that is entirely made up of aliens/humanoids. They are "flesh and blood", so would they be considered FT?

OOC: Not neccesarily. But if they start to use lazerbeammegaZAPweapons and clone themselves to make instoppable mass of troopers, then yes.

OOC: Not neccesarily. But if they start to use lazerbeammegaZAPweapons and clone themselves to make instoppable mass of troopers, then yes.

Good point, but don't forget the population stipulation. Cloned or otherwise, you can't be a new nation and have a jillion-man army. A good rule of thumb would be 2-3% of your pop slated for the military. This becomes somewhat obsolete as you get older/more populated.

(OOC: ok so genetically created super soldiers is more like they are but oh well and if any of you reading this know battletech the military of the clans this will be easier for you to understand)IC: The army of Vehayah is 25% of it's population. the training is superior to what it was before. With advanced soldiers a military needs a new structure of training more suited for the units it produces. the soldiers are born into training and can operate independently or as a complete unit. Our units are genetically altered at conception born or tubes and science, making them capable of incredible feats. they are pushed to their full potential in all forms of combat. the technology they are equipped with makes them fast and deadly. they are proficient in all forms of interrogation,espionage, and surveilence. training is extensive and takes almost of their childhood and teen years from them. upon the last years of their training they learn how to pilot what is called a battle mech. standing around 30 meters tall and weighing anywhere between 20-100 tons the armament of just one star of 5 mechs are capable of leveling a small city. some soldiers are born into elemental units where they wear suits of armour equiped with a small laser and 2 SRM missle launchers. they can plow through infantry like hot knives through melted butter.

Ok. 25% would seriously kill your economy. Where is your funding for all this? :rolleyes:

I'm not going over the top because you seem to be new to this, but I suggest you read the sticky and check it's links my friend. It will explain the best points of NS RP'ing. I do hope you enjoy your stay, and don't let all the nasty people here put you down.

I hope you like NS! ;)

(OOC: ok so genetically created super soldiers is more like they are but oh well and if any of you reading this know battletech the military of the clans this will be easier for you to understand)IC: The army of Vehayah is 25% of it's population. the training is superior to what it was before. With advanced soldiers a military needs a new structure of training more suited for the units it produces. the soldiers are born into training and can operate independently or as a complete unit. Our units are genetically altered at conception born or tubes and science, making them capable of incredible feats. they are pushed to their full potential in all forms of combat. the technology they are equipped with makes them fast and deadly. they are proficient in all forms of interrogation,espionage, and surveilence. training is extensive and takes almost of their childhood and teen years from them. upon the last years of their training they learn how to pilot what is called a battle mech. standing around 30 meters tall and weighing anywhere between 20-100 tons the armament of just one star of 5 mechs are capable of leveling a small city. some soldiers are born into elemental units where they wear suits of armour equiped with a small laser and 2 SRM missle launchers. they can plow through infantry like hot knives through melted butter.
If you read up on the Clans, you'll learn that the warrior caste makes up less than 1% of the total population of any clan, especially in the ones that make less use of vehicles and infantry (ie: Clan Jade Falcon). Even if you factor in technicians as part of the military, no clan exceeds 1.5% between front-line and second-line troops. And if you consider second-line and solamha units as the reserves and militia they technically are, this is especially true. Even with them, you won't find much more than 2% of the population in a given clan being truly trained and equipped soldiers. One does not count civilians with guns (Blood Spirits) as military.

For those who don't know this:
The clans don't use cloning to add to normal childbirth. In fact, they don't actually use cloning, but a eugenics program. Rather than conceiving in the natural way, clan warriors donate their genes to a pool, with the genes of two "parents" combined to generate children that are artificially gestated. Lower castes, however, often conceive the natural way, though there is some overlap. And yes, this is future tech.

And if he thinks he's that good, I'll just call up Clan Wolverine with a few Orca trinaries :D

Lower castes, however, often conceive the natural way, though there is some overlap.
And if he thinks he's that good, I'll just call up Clan Wolverine with a few Orca trinaries :D[/QUOTE]


Not in Jade Falcon we dont FREEBIRTH!

And every single person is put through combat training from the time they can stand. only the 99% who eventially drop out go on to become technicians. If there was ever ANY fear that our 1% might be defeated by your 2% we could easily recall anyone else we liked, they are ALL trained warriors.

( when he say "cloning" he probably means exactly what you say, he just used the wrong term.You are right. True clones are exact copies of a single individual, and thats not the clan way. We take the best of the the sperm and mix with the best of the eggs.)

Don't you guys have any idea how much does it cost to train someone from childhood to puberty, like 16 years or something? A LOT. Even with frightening economy, to have enough cash to do even something else than just rain your troops (make WEAPONS for them for example) you can't give that kind of a supertraining to quarter of your population. Some extrasuperspecialforces of course, but not certainly more than 5%.

[QUOTE=Madnestan]Don't you guys have any idea how much does it cost to train someone from childhood to puberty, like 16 years or something? A LOT.

But we do...its called school, they just teach weapons as a MAJOR class

Not in Jade Falcon we dont FREEBIRTH!

And every single person is put through combat training from the time they can stand. only the 99% who eventially drop out go on to become technicians. If there was ever ANY fear that our 1% might be defeated by your 2% we could easily recall anyone else we liked, they are ALL trained warriors.

( when he say "cloning" he probably means exactly what you say, he just used the wrong term.You are right. True clones are exact copies of a single individual, and thats not the clan way. We take the best of the the sperm and mix with the best of the eggs.)

NEG, impudent stravag scum! Your foolishness leads me to wonder why you are not already dezgra and relegated to a solahma unit where you belong! By Kerensky, you cannot even speak our language properly!

It astounds me that one could be so arrogant and ignorant as to not know the practices and distinctions of one's own clan. It is a well documented fact that there are freeborns among the Falcon touman. Indeed, Clan Jade Falcon has the exceptional distinction of a freeborn bloodnamed warrior in Diana Pryde! Naturally, the fact that Aiden Pryde was her father had more than a little to do with this unheard of situation, and I do not fault Khan Marthe Pryde's decision as the woman is an exceptional warrior, but the fact remains that she is freeborn, a daughter of a member of the warrior caste, and has a bloodname.

And truly, even in Clan Jade Falcon, trueborns are only prevalent in the warrior, scientist, and technician castes. The vast majority of the lower castes, and thus the population, are freeborns from scientist-approved unions, who have no military training. Only the pathetic Blood Spirits, with their meek holdings, have sunk so low as to arm and train their civilians.

One should really know that which one is talking about before speaking, quiaff?




OOC:
It's been awhile since I've gone around lobbing clan insults. I almost forgot how fun it is :)

For the record: in ALL clans, trueborns who fail as front-line warriors relegated to second-line units, or to the scientist or technician caste, virtually never lower. Warriors occasionally have children, as Aiden Pryde did, and scientists and technicians frequently do. Below these castes, there are almost no trueborns, children being generated through marriages approved by members of the scientist caste. Thus, even in freeborns, genetics plays a vital role. It should be stressed that the vast majority of the population (probably 90% or more) is below the top three castes, and thus not trueborn.
Only the Blood Spirits have fallen into such desperation that they equip genuine civilians with weapons. In other clans, those who washed out of warrior training may be so equipped (solahma and Ice Hellion flurry units), but this is still only a small portion of the population.

The Jade Falcons have historically been among the most conservative clans, but with the legendary status of Aiden Pryde, who was anything but, along with the losses of the refusal war and Marthe Pryde's ascension to the Khanship, they are beginning to take a more liberal stance, as evidenced by Diana receiving a bloodname, which is virtually unheard of for a freeborn.

Oh, and the crack about not speaking properly: the clan language is very similar to english, but one key difference is that it doesn't use contractions. No trueborn clan warrior would use the word "don't."


Battletech stuff aside, we now go to the training issue.
As I said, the 25% is wholly unrealistic, even for the clans (especially if they have Inner Sphere holdings). However, this is possible. Though training in equipment use from an early age can be expensive (driving and firearms in particular), this is not how it is done. Training begins with conditioning, followed by learning hand-to-hand and bladed weapons, and maintenance and care of firearms. It's not until towards the end that driving and the use of firearms come into play, and it is thus not that much more expensive than normal government-funded schooling. By the time they get to the expensive stuff, the training units have been whittled down significantly, and it's really on par with regular military training. Since this is just a small portion, it doesn't even compare to the cost of a draft.