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After intense consultation with the ministor for defence we have decided that it is necesarry to buy the plans and equipment to enable us to produce nukes. this capability will ensure that our country remains free from the threat of invasion.
Please respond if you can provide what we need.
thanks
General Heath
The people's republic of Carr Hall.

Green Sun will place a trade embargo on anybody who sells this nation nuclear weapons.

Green Sun offers Carr Hall 17 packs of Neutron tanks instead (About 15 tanks/pack)

"The Catfish military is busy clearing out our old stock of ICBMs in anticipation of the first batch of our home-grown Blue Streak ICBM, and so we are able to offer you 250 ICBM weapons with 0.5 megatonne warheads. Also, would you like an embassy?"

King George of Catfish

OOC:Green Sun, this guy is MT. Those weapons you are offering are probably FT. Anywho...
IC:Top Secret Message From The Red Tide Mafia
"We noticed your need and offer a deal. Every 100 kilos of Enriched Uranium will cost 2,000 American dollars. We also offer the sale of SCUD-A and FROG-7 Ballistic Missiles. The former costing 4 million dollars, the latter costing 2 million dollars."

OOC: Nuetron tanks are only edited for FT. They're high-tech tanks, but they're still within MT range. Think Paladin from CnC:G

After intense consultation with the ministor for defence we have decided that it is necesarry to buy the plans and equipment to enable us to produce nukes. this capability will ensure that our country remains free from the threat of invasion.
Please respond if you can provide what we need.
thanks
General Heath
The people's republic of Carr Hall.

No Endorse will sell you 250 Atlas D rockets capable of carrying nuclear warheads. They will come equipped with a one hundred kiloton warhead onboard. Do not use these against No Endorse or any ally.

No Endorse will sell you 250 Atlas D rockets capable of carrying nuclear warheads. They will come equipped with a one hundred kiloton warhead onboard. Do not use these against No Endorse or any ally.

OOC: What is the range of those missiles, how fast are they, what are the electronics in them and how much do they cost?

Why does everyone think they need nukes?

It's no fun saying "HAHAHA I HAVE NUKES ME INVINCIBAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111111!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" instead of actually writing out an invasion defense.

Why does everyone think they need nukes?

It's no fun saying "HAHAHA I HAVE NUKES ME INVINCIBAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111111!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" instead of actually writing out an invasion defense.

OOC: Because even the big, fat, lunatic dictators and wannabe-napoleons will think twice before declaring war on smaller country, if that holds nuclear weapons.

And no, it's not as entertaining as writing about conventional warfare, but small nations concerned about their survival don't have the privilege of thinking which is "more fun to read", if they are seriously RP'ing their nations and thinking what can save their nations from beeing annexed, enslaved or totally destroyed.

I can give you 5 Fog-7's i bought from Redtide for free, here is a pic

Picture (http://www.aeronautics.ru/archive/wmd/ballistic/ballistic/frog-7b_001.jpg)

Nukes / nuclear weapons are useless compared to biological and chemical weapons. Biological and chemical weapons are far more devastating than nukes because of morale loss among enemy troops when they become sick or die painfully. In addition, biological and chemical weapons can do things that nukes cannot, such as keeping cities and factories intact, while killing all organic life.

Just a 2 cent ramble from a nation tired of this trend of "I need nukes now!!!"

Nuclear weapons are WAY better than chemical or biological... Because they're more predictable. If you get a few minutes warning, you don't need to worry about chemical or biological, cos you can get suited up. Plus, they're very dependent on the wind, and can become militarily useless within minutes in the wrong conditions. Biological weapons that are infectious are far too slow acting to be militarily useful. Nukes, however, are just like big bombs... They kill people when you want them. And 'neutron bombs' can be used to cause much less damage to the structures, while still killing loadsa people...

@Carr Hall: Why not RP a Manhattan Project style doohickey? That'd be a lot more fun, and make a change from the usual sell me nukes thread...
EDIT: Woot! Post 100! Only two and a half years to do it too...

Nuclear weapons are WAY better than chemical or biological... Because they're more predictable. If you get a few minutes warning, you don't need to worry about chemical or biological, cos you can get suited up. Plus, they're very dependent on the wind, and can become militarily useless within minutes in the wrong conditions. Biological weapons that are infectious are far too slow acting to be militarily useful. Nukes, however, are just like big bombs... They kill people when you want them. And 'neutron bombs' can be used to cause much less damage to the structures, while still killing loadsa people...

@Carr Hall: Why not RP a Manhattan Project style doohickey? That'd be a lot more fun, and make a change from the usual sell me nukes thread...
EDIT: Woot! Post 100! Only two and a half years to do it too...

Actually, forcing the enemy to suit up *IS* a huge advantage.

First, you cannot expect to have all your citizens in a major city or industrial center to magically don anti-biological or anti-chemical suits. Thus, your economy will be trashed when millions of citizens and civilians die.

Second, if your military does use anti-chemical and anti-biological suits, it adds cost and time lost. Every time someone suits up, it costs valuable minutes, in which I can employ other military assets such as air missions, naval bombardment, etc. What's more, is the logistics nightmare of forcing your entire army to have suits. Your logistics would be bogged down trying to bring the right suit equipment, replacement suits, scrubber gear, etc. Meaning more money and men tied up in logistics rather than combat.

Third, your combat effectiveness is drastically reduced if and while you are in a full biological / chemical suit. You can't perform as good in combat wearing bulky hazmat suits and such as you would in normal combat. My soldiers would have an easy time picking off enemy infantry waddling around in hazmat suits. The enemy will be forced to employ full sealed stuff, drastically increasing costs of command camps and such, while my military retains its full mobility and abilities, as my soldiers would be immunized towards whatever biological and chemical weapons I would be using.

Simply put, the enemy will be floundering around like fish out of the water if they suit up every time I launch biological and chemical attacks. Then they suit down (remove suits) to regain full mobility and dexterity, then forced to suit up once again when I launch another bio / chem attack like 10 - 15 minutes later.

If the enemy actually has a flexible hazmat suit, I can solve that problem by introducing corrosive acid weapons like Flourine Gas and such. They'll eat through the thin hazmat suits, allowing my germs / bacteria / gas to seep through.

Aren't your guys going to need those suits too, if they are close enough to "easily pick down" enemies with such equiptment?

If you hit enemy with chemicals and biological stuff, you can't invade it without beeing in danger by yourself, too.

Nuclears have fallout, but atleast it is consentrated in one city or area. If you spread plague, it'll spread (surprisinlgly :D ) everywhere.

I'm not as much against chemical weapons as I am bio or nuclear.

But Chemical weapons CAN be a very valuable asset.

sephrioth places an arms trade and oil embargo on Carr Hall

Aren't your guys going to need those suits too, if they are close enough to "easily pick down" enemies with such equiptment?

If you hit enemy with chemicals and biological stuff, you can't invade it without beeing in danger by yourself, too.

Nuclears have fallout, but atleast it is consentrated in one city or area. If you spread plague, it'll spread (surprisinlgly :D ) everywhere.

Inoculations.

Failing that, I could roll in with full NBC protected tanks, APC's, or vehicles to mow down the enemy infantry flopping around in suits. Or I could use air strikes, artillery, or missiles.

OCC:Seph play nice!
Anyways...
IC:
Recently after clearing several pre-civil war silos we have decided to sell the older out of date nuclear weapons.
If you want then there are 15 currently up for sale at $30 billion each.

OOC: What is the range of those missiles, how fast are they, what are the electronics in them and how much do they cost?

ooc:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlas_%28rocket%29
http://www.astronautix.com/lvs/atlasd.htm
http://www.geocities.com/atlas_missile/ <-best site I think
Version of the Atlas rocket. Originally designed as an ICBM, this model was used to launch men into space. These rockets have been converted back into ICBMs, but are underranged, underpayloaded, and have little of an electronics package. They can be easily modified though, and are very cheap to replace/fix.

The D version can technicly hold up to a 1.44 megaton load (W49 warhead). It has radial-inertial guidance, and a range of 6,400-9,000 miles. There's a place on the last site that says the Mercury version had a max range of 13,000 km, but I'm not sure on that one.

We will do the opposite of selling you nuclear weapons! We will buy them from you and let you use the money to buy from our storefront to purchase a more conventional defense system. And we'll give you a 10% discount and make you a protected ally. Also join the MAP and CIN for more protection. We'll pay you $300 million per megatonne.

ooc i would have invaded but meh

ooc i would have invaded but meh

OOC: But this way I win! In a secret twisted way, I'm also not entirely sure of.

not quite

How can so many nations want to sell Nuclear Arms to this nation? Have we all forgotten the FC incident so quickly?!

Realy I couldn't care if another FC incident occures. I got failsafe codes in my nukes so if they try to nuke me I can jsut use the failsafe options in them. It's not pleasent when your nukes explode jsut out of the silo.

MY scientists have been working for years on this new technology for a Ion Nuke it works and i have 200 hundred made ill sell them to you for lets say 1 million american dollars

You guys do realize that whoever is the one who sells him the nukes will be the first ones attacked if this does escalate into another FC?

why do ya think i slaped embargos on him

Yup,

I'll send a guided missile cruiser over there, just to make sure nothing thermonuclear makes it into his country.

I suggest any other country interested in not having to deal with people exposed to radiation do the same.

No offense Sephiroth, but unless he is trading with you (and considering the many countries in NS, he probably isn't), embargoes won't do much. Any body up for a military . . . detterent? ;)

No offense Sephiroth, but unless he is trading with you (and considering the many countries in NS, he probably isn't), embargoes won't do much. Any body up for a military . . . detterent? ;)

See my previous post... RMV Chelsea is en'route to international waters off his coast... I'm going to stop the spread of nukes, one way or another.

I support McKagan's actions 100%, and if he needs any help, he can call on us.

Thanks,

I'd ask that you send a ship. It doesn't have to be anything fancy, it doesn't have to come with a fleet.

It's just a whole lot easier to operate when you can split jobs between multiple units.

I've got a guided missile cruiser than can hit any target in the theatre fairly easy, just to give an idea...

My navy only has 5 ships (I never got around to making it), but I've started construction of one. I can send two patrol boats as of now. These are there stats:

Armament: 1 x 3.5 inch/37 calibre ETC naval cannon fore; 2 x Exocet or equivalent missile launchers (two port, two starboard); 1 x 'Yellow Jacket' mini SAM launcher) one 35 mm Millennium Gun CIWS system

Armour: 5.75 cm composite of kevlar, aluminum, nickel and steel.
Propulsion: 2 x Windham & Green Electrical gas/electric hybrid engine powering 2 shafts at 35,000 shp.

ooc-I give the credit for the stats to Sarzonia, who I bought these from.

You guys do realize that whoever is the one who sells him the nukes will be the first ones attacked if this does escalate into another FC?
ooc:
He'll probablyhave full military support from several people, including me. II has been too quiet lately, I'd really like to get into a true world war. That means if you want a WMD or something, come to my government (39th most corrupt in the world MUA-HA-HA-HA!). I'm sure we can alter our production and storage records quite easily to suit your request.


You see, there's a point where we need to start international war, something that tears apart alliances and makes or breaks nations. We have to sort the strong from the weak, the great from the hot air blowers. If there is no driving force, then II will stagnate. That is why we need something big and actually start a war here. If we don't, a deadweight nation could rule over a stronger but smaller one just because of age. Without the determining factor of a large war, the NS community wouldn't evolve.

Role Playing is about winning AND loosing, knowing when to risk it all and when to horde, knowing when to press advantage and when to hide in Bunker 017 while enemy bombers fly uncontested over your capital.

sry for the off-topic part of this post, but for some reason I thought it needed to be stated.

IC:
Encrypted transmission,
Key:******
No Endorse is more than willing to sell those 250 Atlas D rockets with launch systems. They are armed only with 100 kiloton warheads, but that is still a very powerful arsenal.

The total charge will be about 2.5 million a pop, since you're getting the mobile launchers, warheads, and a fuel tank with these guys. All rockets are in top condition, just recently decomissioned. Please send response via encrypted communique.
Key for reply:******


ooc2: (They ARE being sold at a loss to those of you wondering. The Atlas D cost about 1.8 million a pop in 1965 dollars. These are old rockets. Since the warheads and rockets are underpowered for current specs in NE, they're being sold at a price just to get some cold cash to line someone's pockets)

***Official Proclimation***
Made by: Emporer Shaz Bot
The Holy Empire of Shazbotdom
http://www.theodora.com/flags/zi.gif

The Holy Empire of Shazbotdom has to condemn the actions of Carr Hill for trying to aquire nukes. The Holy Empire has existed for a long time without the use of nuclear weaponry. Keeping a peacful stance with your national neighbors is key to keeping your nation safe from invaders. A good conventional military also helps with deterring others from invading you. We will be willing to sell you weaponry for an armed forces. We will be willing to sell weapons bought from Phoenix-Dynamix INC to The Nation of Carr Hill.

If this escilates to war, we will have no choise to remain neutral in this conflict. We will though, supply medical supplies to those nations who are in desperate need of them. And we will supply food items for any troops who are dehydrated and/or malnurished.

~~~End Transmission~~~

Well my opinion on the matter is simple. My nation exists, and stays secure without the use of nuclear weapons, because we have an enormous missile defense system which deters nations from wasting money on launching nukes at me. Not to mention my armed forces have used the extra money from not having nukes to research superior battlefield weapons for the Marines, Air Force, and Navy... thus we cant be hit by nukes, and can easily defend ourselves from invasion by conventional means... Not to emtnion we have researched this nifty little weapon called the E-Bomb... Telegram me for details...

Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid - Ronald Reagan

With that said I have decided to offer 1 squadron of my FA-22 Air Superiority fighters to aid, and defend all those who have dispatched naval vessels to the region...

All aircraft which fly into the designated safe area over these naval vessels will be shot down no questions asked. If it flies it dies.

Also,

If any ships enter the waters within a 5KM distance around my ship without proper clearence it'll be fired upon.

OCC:No endorse I got you beat. I'M 37TH MOST CORUPT!!!!
IC:
As it stands we view these embargos as forcing a nation to bend to your will and obey your "laws" that no one has to fallow. Though we are not in the mood for a military conflict any shot fired upon any Phalanix vessel/plane will be seen as an act of war.

What's up with you and Nuclear weapons. You barely can hold nukes for shit.

OCC: Roman Republic don't flame. We don't need this topic to turn into a big ol flame fest. So please play nice

OOC: Do we know if the starter of this thread is ever going to reply back to us?

OOC: I don't know. But i'm not going to go ahead with any strikes until I get some word.

I could offer him a financial incentive (i've got a powerful economy) to back away from his nukes, though.

Any one within range of firing on my boats will be fired upon in self defence. Anyone who my allies see fit to attack will be attacked upon sight by me.

You might need to rearange the way you said that.

Because I consider you an allie in this theatre but I am within range of alot of targets in this area.

You might need to rearange the way you said that.

Because I consider you an allie in this theatre but I am within range of alot of targets in this area.
I won't fire on my allies, obviosly.

I know, i'm just saying...

I've got 30 targets in our computers, plus room for up to 20 more should someone try to fly a plane in or ship nukes in.

I know, i'm just saying...

I've got 30 targets in our computers, plus room for up to 20 more should someone try to fly a plane in or ship nukes in.

Friendly or enemy "targets"? (I'm confused.)

OOC:Another problem with what you just said is that you would be firing upon ANY targets within range. That means neutral, unarmed, cargo freighters. That is a HELL of a good way to start a war.

New statement:

I will fire on any enemy target who moves within range of firing on me. Any one who my allies commence hotilities with, will be in a state of war with me.

ooc-happy now?

OOC:Yep... but if this guy accepts my offer it wont matter. The Red Tide Mafia will have UNARMED cargo freighters, carrying enriched uranium(encased in lead to prevent radioactive leakage) sailing to this guy if he accepts the deal. Since our two nations are not at war(and the freighters will be flying the Red Tidean flag) you will not be able to fire on them.

Farangordasch also discourages the use of nuclear weapons. We are a small nation yet we rely on allies and conventional weaponry. Although we have only a small Navy we feel it is neccesary to send support to Mckagen and allies to deter the sale of Nuclear weapons.

Farangordasch sends:
1 DDG-51 AEGIS Aleigh Burke Guided Missile Destroyer, Flight IIA accompanied by:
2 FFG-1 Oliver Hazard Rerry Frigate
1 CG-47 AEGIS Ticonderga Class Cruiser

We are here to wait this one out. Any hostile actions taken toward my ships will be considered an act of war.

I'm giving the people on our main guns orders to fire upon anyone trying to bring WMD's or parts for them into the nation.

I don't care what flag it has.

(OOC: If this does turn into a war, I'd rather it stay in THIS region, and not end up with invasions of other peoples nations, a naval battle in this area would be quite fun, actually.)

Corzia is concerned with this series of events. Carr Hill should not need nuclear weapons unless they would do anything to provoke an attack, like trying to buy nukes. As such, Corzia is sending an observation force consisting of 30 Fletcher destroyers, one Scythe II SSN and one Alaska class battleship to international waters, we will not attack any vessel that nations seeking to block the transport of nukes, we are more of an unoffical ally. We will not hesitate to sink any ship if it is a threat to us or our allies.

Concador/McKagan: We will assist you in stopping ships, but our fleet is just going to in the region for a week, we are on our way to assist another ally. We will not fire unless we are provoked.

OCC:No endorse I got you beat. I'M 37TH MOST CORUPT!!!!
ooc: NOOOOOOOOOO! How is this possible!?!?

IC:
Transmission from the Minister of Military, Gale Amner
Encryption: N/A
Decrypt key:N/A
Access: ALL CHANNELS

The nation of No Endorse stands firmly in favor of this nations NATIONAL SOVERIGNTY, and we are dispatching a Carrier Battle Group to the location to provide protection, along with one of our Freedom Class Pocket-Dreadnoughts. Any nations who fire on this fleet will face the full wrath of the No Endorse Armed Forces. Be advised that no matter how advanced an anti-ICBM array is, you can only deflect so many warheads. No Endorse is bringing its tactical arsenal to alert status four.

The fleet will arrive in exactly seven days. You have this long to remove yourselves from this soverign nation's waters and begin open diplomatic talks. Otherwise there will be more where this fleet came from.

End transmission


ooc2: Alert status four is next to highest, with five being actually firing the missiles. All SSBNs in the No Endorse navy stay at alert status four permenantly due to their standard mission profile of constant readiness.
Fleet consists of:
1 Nimitz class aircraft carrier
-4 C-2A Greyhound COD
-3 E-2C Hawkeye AWACS
-4 EA-6B Prowler
-4 EA-18A Growler
-12 EF-2000 Typhoon
-12 F-14D Tomcat
-16 F/A-18C Hornet
-16 F/A-18E Super Hornet
-2 HH-60H Sea Hawk
-8 S-3B Viking
-4 SH-60F Sea Hawk
1 Iowa Class Battleship
- 4 SH-60F LAMPS Seahawk
2 Leahy Class Cruisers
4 Spruance Class Destroyers
-2 SH-60F LAMPS Seahawk
2 Type 22 Broadsword Class Frigates
-1 Merlin (EH101)
2 Seawolf Class Attack Submarines
2 Sacramento Class
- 2 CH-46E Sea Knight
1 Freedom Class pocket-dreadnought
-12 Sea King AEW MKII
-12 Sea Sprite

All ships can cruise at over 30 knots and different ones have different sprint speeds.

OOC:Yep... but if this guy accepts my offer it wont matter. The Red Tide Mafia will have UNARMED cargo freighters, carrying enriched uranium(encased in lead to prevent radioactive leakage) sailing to this guy if he accepts the deal. Since our two nations are not at war(and the freighters will be flying the Red Tidean flag) you will not be able to fire on them.

Your cargo ships will be searched if caught. If my men find Nuclear devices (or uranium in your case), they will be asked to leave. All vessels (except allied ones), will be searched. If they don't leave...well, I'm sure you can figure it out. ;)

That's an interesting way to think about it.

Why would one need a deterant to invaders unless they were going to have a reason to be invaded....

the RMV Axl Rose Nuclear Attack/Special Forces submarine has entered waters under silent running conditions.

My vessels are in international waters.

That is where they shall remain.

NO Endorse, DO you have some WMD's I could buy from you?

We here in government of the Reich of Socialist Prussians wish to support your protection in any way possible, be it by means of money, personnel, or ships and/or other types of military equipment.

Gustav Zieradt - Premier of the Reich of Socialist Prussians

Diakon Goetzke- Head of Defense for the Reich of Socialist Prussians Defense Department

Aba Hawerbek - Advisor for Foreign Policy and Diplomacy to the Premier

Upper Echelon : Do you really want to turn all the countries who are against Carr Hall against you? The Concadorian government classifies you as a warmonger, and will take extreme measures if you continue this pursuance of WMD's.

Ok then,
If you want to avoid my war-mongering i need something else in place of WMD's

Ok then,
If you want to avoid my war-mongering i need something else in place of WMD's

Nukes can be shot down, viruses can be killed, and chemicals can be disolved.

My advice is to just build up special forces and your conventional military, and then not make alot of enemies.

Upper Echelon:

want anything in particular?

ooc-this is the first time I've seen anyone do something like that (most of the time people are too stubborn). I take my hat off to you.

Concador,
I`ll let you pick but if its not worth it, I`ll take my search for nukes elsewhere, and get them and take revenge. Ok sorry that came out a bit threatening, didn`t mean it like that but you know what I mean

I'm pulling my guided missile cruiser out of here.... but my sub stays.

It can remain virtually invisable for the most part... and with the possibility of only 2 other subs in this theatre... 2 lucky shots and we'd be the only sub...

Mckagan,
For telling me not to make enemies you seem pretty bullying towards other nations.

Telegram to The Upper Echelon:
No Endorse currently has 250 Atlas D missiles for sale to anyone. They are 2.5 million dollars a pop with a launcher and a 100 kiloton warhead. Do not use them against No Endorse or one of our allies or there will be consequences.
Atal Amner, minister of the Military, No Endorse

Telegram to Concador:
Do not interfere with any weapons shipments or we will respond in like nature. We are a soverign nation with the same right to trade with other nations that you have.
John Amner, minister of Foreign Relations, No Endorse

Encrypted Transmission to Socialist Prussians:
Encrypt Key: ************
Decrypt Key: ************
Thank you for offering. Please send whatever ships you wish to this location. They will have support from our fleet and will be protected to the best of our abilities. Please handle your end of the situation however you wish, we do not want to tell you what to do in this circumstance.

No endorse,
Thanks, but if I can keep the other people happy by getting something else I will. However, if you could hold 50 of them for mew until this is resolved I would appreciate it.

I've not saw any real reason why this dude needs nukes unless he is planning on using them.

That said, i've not saw a reason that says he shouldn't have them either. That said, the RMV Axl Rose is prepared to defend herself from any fleet.

No endorse,
Thanks, but if I can keep the other people happy by getting something else I will. However, if you could hold 50 of them for mew until this is resolved I would appreciate it.

50 Have been set aside in government storage facilities. They will be ready if/when you want them. 200 remaining.

No endorse,
I appreciate it
Concador,
The time for keeping me from WMD's is running out you have 10 minutes before I take No endorse's offer

Transcript from a Secrret Meeting in the Lord Marshal of the Imperial Defense Directorate

The Lord Marrshal having looked at the reports of military build-up, looks to Air Marshal Carviov and says, "I want recon planes to fly over this area, constant updates of the area. Pictures of every ship, fishing boat, dinghy, even the plankton. Get everything."

Carviov bows before the Lord Marshal and steps out, as another guy walks in from the shadows. Without looking at the man, the Lord Marshal says, "Send in your best, get on the ships, and see what technologies and intelligence you can steal."

Two hours later, a squadron of R/F-317s begin their recon missions.
(OOC: Really a protoype USAF stealth fighter called a Boeing Bird of Prey, If photos and all that mess is wanted, telegram me )

6 seperate Squads of IID Operatives standby, awaiting Photo Recon

Need I mention there is also Satellite recon over head...

No endorse,
Begin shipment and I will begin payment

I'm in the middle of a project for aircraft fighters, bombers and tanks. How about ten of each when they are ready?

OOC: you can't say I have "10 minutes to respond" in NS.

Concador,
Okay my bad sorryabout that,
Your offer is more than generous. I accept

No endorse,
Begin shipment and I will begin payment
ooc: according to http://www.sunsetrpg.com/economystatistics.php you have $1,485,247,153 for defence. This purchase will be 125 million dollars. Upkeep will be a bit, I'd guess about 40 million a year or less though.

Secret IC transmission: Shipment pending. We are allocating transports and escourts for the job. The units are en route to our shipping docks at Tyria now. They will begin to arrive there at about 0200 tonight, and all will reach the docks at about 0300. From there, they will be loaded on ships. All units will be in your hands within two weeks.

No endorse,
cancel shipment! i`ll pay for whatever costs you have encurred and a 2% penalty

NO endorse,
cancel shipment! i`ll pay for whatevr costs you have encurred and a 2% penalty

Shipment cancelled. There were no costs incurred, as the nukes haven't even left storage yet. The shipping allocation sheets cost us about ten to twenty cents each, so I think we can afford a small loss like that, even considering that we used fifty.

Thanks one and all,
Concador,
Telegram me when the items are ready

Farangordasch, also remains in international waters and is prepared to defend itself if fired upon. Frank Dupatzi ( naval director) has decided that having 1 destroyer and 2 frigates is not enough to defend the missile destroyer so we are sending 2 more CG-47 AEGIS Ticonderga Class Cruisers,
1 more DDG-51 AEGIS Aleigh Burke Guided Missile Destroyer,
3 SSN-688 Los Angeles Class Submarines
1 iowa class battle ship

all ships will remain in international waters. our two guided missile destroyers are being protected by the 3 ticonderga cruisers as well as the Iowa class battleship and the two Oliver Rerry frigates.
The three Los Angeles class subs are seperate and our lurking international waters till further notice.

Zebediah Orsminov
Dictator of Faangordasch

Your cargo ships will be searched if caught. If my men find Nuclear devices (or uranium in your case), they will be asked to leave. All vessels (except allied ones), will be searched. If they don't leave...well, I'm sure you can figure it out. ;)

OOC:Cant... thats violation of national soveriegnty and a act of war. Plus... the Red Tide Mafia is pretty clever about hiding it, the Enriched Uranium are in packages that completely block out radiation, no radiation=no geiger counter detection... Besides, the Red Tide Mafia does have access to a (single) civilian freight plane.

No endorse: We will buy all of the missles, warheads, and launchers. We are also reciving help for any shortage of funds from the Republic of OrangeFreeState and TheApartheid. We will dismantle all of the warheads but keep the rockets so that we may launch our satellites with them.

Leafanistan wishes to purchase enriched uranium, plutonium and neptunium for use in researching new power sources. These include our Quantum Induction Coil and pebblebed nuclear reactors.

Is anyone a big liquid helium supplier btw?

Leafanistan: We're perfecting our Solar Mining equipment, which, once finished, will allow us to harvest both helium and hydrogen from stars. Once we finish it, we will be able to sell it to you.

Leafanistan: We're perfecting our Solar Mining equipment, which, once finished, will allow us to harvest both helium and hydrogen from stars. Once we finish it, we will be able to sell it to you.

Good, our fledgling space program is itching to begin sending ships up there to join you. Thank you very much Tannenmille, you are a great nation, we accept your offer.

if anyone still has interest, the government of gelfland, offers the "voltorb" nuclear defensive system for sale. at the price of $12 Million USD per package of six. potential buyers are advised that that a background check will be conducted prior to any transaction, and that deployment of these devices is potenially a violation of United Nations resolution #40.

To: All Concerned Nations
From: Kenix Kil, Secretary of State, The Democratic Republic of Halberdgardia
Re: This Conflict

In response to growing concerns about the nation of Carr Hall seeking nuclear weapons, and the nation of No Endorse's willingness to sell them, as well as in support of our allies, the Republic of McKagan, the Democratic Republic of Halberdgardia is hereby deploying the following naval forces to international waters just off Carr Hall territory as observation/peacekeeping forces:

Two Arleigh Burke-class destroyers, D.R.H. Adjudicator and D.R.H. Valiant
Three Seawolf-class submarines, D.R.H. Eviscerator, D.R.H. Redoubtable, and D.R.H. Valorous

The submarines will be separate from the two destroyers and each other, and all five craft will be on silent running conditions in international waters. The task force will not engage in military action unless in self-defense, and we will make every effort to resolve this issue peaceably unless and until armed conflict develops.

Respectfully,
Kenix Kil
Secretary of State
The Democratic Republic of Halberdgardia

ooc: NOOOOOOOOOO! How is this possible!?!?

OCC:Well the game likes me better... ya it likes me better!
IC:
As it stands our offer for our missiles is still on the table. We are willing to lower the costs to $75 million a missile.
And if any ship attempts to board and search any Phalanix ship the acting nation will be made the newest Phalanix province.

No endorse: We will buy all of the missles, warheads, and launchers. We are also reciving help for any shortage of funds from the Republic of OrangeFreeState and TheApartheid. We will dismantle all of the warheads but keep the rockets so that we may launch our satellites with them.

The cost is still 2.5 million dollars a missile/launcher/warhead pack. Yes this is quite low, but the technology has been taking up valuable space in active missile sites. We will sell all 250 of them, and we will keep the warheads if you don't want them. How many do you want?

This means there are 250 active 100 kiloton warheads for sale. No launch packages though. The warheads are 1 million a piece

ooc: is this a decent price or do I need to go up/down? I'm mostly guessing. The price of 2.5 million is based on the 1.8 million$ cost of an Atlas D unit in 1965. It can't appreciate I don't think lol.

OCC:Well the game likes me better... ya it likes me better!
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I'll take the warheads off your hands...

I'll take the warheads off your hands...

How many would you like?

ooc: sry, but I'ma hit the hay. It's late (10:40 eastern time... yep I'm a lazy American SOB) Night all.

I'll take all 250, if that's possible.

(OOC: Yup, same time here. I'm staying up for a bit though, too much cafeene in my system.)

I'll take all 250, if that's possible.

(OOC: Yup, same time here. I'm staying up for a bit though, too much cafeene in my system.)

250 million USD. The warheads are being loaded onto ships, they will arrive in the harbor of your choice in fourteen days. Do not use these against No Endorse or No Endorse allies, blah blah etc.

ooc: check your TGs, but I guess this kinda messes that up lol.
G'night

250 million USD. The warheads are being loaded onto ships, they will arrive in the harbor of your choice in fourteen days. Do not use these against No Endorse or No Endorse allies, blah blah etc.

ooc: check your TGs, but I guess this kinda messes that up lol.
G'night

I'll have a cruiser intercept and bring them on home later, i've got one out there not really doing anything.

ooc: yeah, kinda shot that, but earlier I was prepared for a fight to the death!

Night.

The president of the republic of J Dubya have called all squadrons of aircraft back to their home bases.

***Official Proclimation***
The Holy Empire of Shazbotdom
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Made by: Multiple Persons (Signitures Below)

The Holy Empire of Shazbotdom will still remain neutral in this conflict. We prefer a diplomatic solution instead of throwing around your weaponry and military forces to force someone to do something you don't want them to.

There is a thing called "National Soverignty". Keep that in mind. They can do what they want in their nation and you can do what you want in yours. You do not throw your armed forces around to get someone to stop something that you don't like. I would think before you make your next move.

Signed on this Holy Day, April 28th:
Mr. Shaz Bot
Emporer

Grand Admiral James E. Rockenbach
Minister of Defence

4 Star General Craig L. Theod
Minister of the Marine Corps

Admiral George Yackber
Minister of the Navy

Brigadeer General Ken Shuemaker
Minister of the Air Force

Mr. Larry Williams
Minister of Forign Affairs

Mr. John J. Adams
Speaker of the Parliment
~~~End Transmission~~~

So do we still have the missiles? I know McKagan bought the warheads. If the launchers/Missiles are still for sale Corzia will buy all 250.

So do we still have the missiles? I know McKagan bought the warheads. If the launchers/Missiles are still for sale Corzia will buy all 250.

Indeed they are still for sale. The total cost will be 625 million USD. We are currently moving the rockets from storage to our dockyards. Transports will pick them up there and transport them to the port of your choice. Please note that there will not be a large escourt for this mission from our end due to infuriating fleet rotation scedules and the like. The escourt will be one Virginia class attack sub and one AEGIS capable destroyer.


transmission to all nations:
Now that tensions are lessening, we are recalling our fleet. Do not fire apon Car Hall or our fleet or the fleet will turn around again. Good day.

No endorse,

If ya want I can send over a sub to help with the transport.

I've got the RMV November Rain in the area.

No endorse,

If ya want I can send over a sub to help with the transport.

I've got the RMV November Rain in the area.

message from the captain of the destroyer NES Hailfire:

That would be very helpful. We are contacting the submarine NES Lance and informing her about the situation. The transports will be finished loading at 0300 tonight. Please rendezvous with the group at any time before 0600. There are twenty five transports allocated for this mission, one for every two missiles and launch systems. A message has been dispatched to Fleet Command requesting more ships, but it has been denied.

The November Rain should be there about 0400; but you know how things go sometimes.

Our main goal on this mission is to just make sure that these ships don't get raided and the torpedo's end up on yet someone elses hands.

Due to the realization that this, is hopefully not going to escalate to violence Farangordasch 3 Los Angleles subs are now heading home to Farangordasch. 1 of the two guided missile destroyers are also headed home to be escorted by one Ticonderga Class Cruiser, and the two oliver Rerry frigates. Leaving only one Guided missile destroyer and 2 Ticonderga destroyers.

Due to the realization that this, is hopefully not going to escalate to violence Farangordasch 3 Los Angleles subs are now heading home to Farangordasch. 1 of the two guided missile destroyers are also headed home to be escorted by one Ticonderga Class Cruiser, and the two oliver Rerry frigates. Leaving only one Guided missile destroyer and 2 Ticonderga destroyers.

A Ticonderoga Class ship is a guided missile cruiser.

thanks for informing me, i bought them from the roman Republic who didnt specify and im a noob without much knowledge of modern defense equipment.

No problem,

They're one of my favorite types of ship, so I just thought I'd say something.

Thanks to all who replied to my thread
However some of you appeared concerned that i was some sort of trigger happy, psycotic dictator. I Appreciate the offers of all countrys weather the have offered nuclear of non-nuclear weapons. And would just like to point out that many countrys in the world have nukes, but how many nuclear wars have we had? futhermor i appreciate your attemts at trade embargoes and the deployment of your ships to "Sort me Out". but think that its a bit of a waste of your feul and my time.
Carr Hall

We have sent the money for the rockets to you. We would like them delivered to our naval base in Valkesh if you need more transports we would be willing to send some civilian ships to aid in the process.

Now that the situation has been resolved, the Democratic Republic of Halberdgardia is removing the Adjudicator, Eviscerator, Redoubtable, Valiant, and Valorous from the theater.

We will have our Fletchers and the Scythe II remain to escort the rockets to Corzia

Aren't your guys going to need those suits too, if they are close enough to "easily pick down" enemies with such equiptment?

If you hit enemy with chemicals and biological stuff, you can't invade it without beeing in danger by yourself, too.

Nuclears have fallout, but atleast it is consentrated in one city or area. If you spread plague, it'll spread (surprisinlgly :D ) everywhere.

No need for one's own soldiers to have suits. One can simply release the virus or chemical onto enemy soil and stay well clear. No need to do anything with an invading army until the area is certified clean. After all, people who are dying aren't likely to do anything to you. Yes, the biggest real problem with this is that environmental factors like wind may push the chemical or whatever into your territory, but you would have advance warning, so you could evacuate while manufacturing massive numbers of environment suits...

I also find it kind of interesting that whenever a tiny new nation squeaks out, "Give me nukes!" it turns into a debate about whether they would be useful or moral or whatever between larger nations. Maybe everything in NS is like that.

Secret IC to Carr Hall(reply to your TG):
Unfortionatly we have sold off our current stock. We are willing to manufacture weapons for you, they will be priced slightly higher though, at three million dollars for a rocket, warhead, and launch system. We can produce as many rockets as you wish. Unfortionatly, we do not posses aircraft capable of carrying these machines, and will need to send a naval detatchment to transport them.

No endorse,

If you want I can transport any of the things you wish to the buying nation; since your navy is so bogged down.

If you accept, the multi purpose ship RMV Bradley can be at your main shipping port.

We can do this for $750,000 per shipment.

0500, Outside Major Port in Carr Hall

The running lights of the RMV Bradley were all off, the ship was in silent running, and no one was on it's deck. On the bridge, a few officers sat low and gazed at their computer screens.

"Sir, the shipment is at the elevator. Once we're in port we'll be ready for transport. We can be in and out in under 45 minutes. We're sending in a Seahawk advanced scout team though, to cover the transaction."

The lone Seahawk helicopter flew quickly to the port city. The air defenses here were minimal, and the helicopter flew lights out and uncontested into the area. It sat down on top of a large formation of cargo crates. It's engine went off. A sniper and an infantryman armed with standard marine weapons moved off to a formation of cargo boxes that would provide excellent cover should they need it. They watched as a sedan pulled up and the opposite governments representative got out.

Just then, the lights of Bradley came fully on. It was at the most far out point on the harbor.

An officer from Bradley in civilian clothes walked up to the representative. Then a 5 ton truck followed him up the narrow dock.

"Hi, we have the product. The price comes to $550,000,000."

In the background marines begin unloading the 5 ton truck.

The officer handed over a PDA. "Just verify your payment here and we're done."

No endorse,

If you want I can transport any of the things you wish to the buying nation; since your navy is so bogged down.

If you accept, the multi purpose ship RMV Bradley can be at your main shipping port.

We can do this for $750,000 per shipment.

Negative, we have completed the blasted rotation and are now running at full capacity once again. Hopefully someone will come to their senses some time and make a decent rotation schedule that doesn't leave us in this predicament for a week two times a year.

Negative, we have completed the blasted rotation and are now running at full capacity once again. Hopefully someone will come to their senses some time and make a decent rotation schedule that doesn't leave us in this predicament for a week two times a year.

We have the same problems, just not as close together. And since we have about 1/4th the amount of ships as you, it's a little simpler.