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Message from the office of the Presidency of the Holy Republic of Zahrain

To: The International Community

Nine months ago, Zahrain had tested it's first nuclear bomb.

The test was successful and from that Zahrain has been producing nuclear warheads for the last nine months.

Our ability to produce nuclear weapons was the result of purchasing nuclear material and ICBMs on the world market.

Upon buying nuclear material and uranium, Zahrain also bought 100 SCUD-A surface to surface long range missiles.

10 of these SCUD-A missiles were taken to our weapon laboratries and used for testing and missile development which has enabled Zahrain to produce it's own SSM missile, the Al Mansoor missile.

The Al Mansoor missile is more or less identical to the SCUD missile in terms of it's appearence.

However the Al Mansoor missile is an upgraded version and has these differences to the SCUD missile:

*The Al Mansoor missile has a range of 650km, compared to the SCUD missile's range of about 150km.

*The structure of the Al Mansoor missile has been changed to enable it to carry larger warheads than the SCUD missile.

*The guidance system on the Al Mansoor missile is more advanced than that of the SCUD missile. This is due to the SCUD missiles reputation for innacuracy in hitting the designated target. The Al Mansoor missile has the ability to strike it's target within a 50m acuracy range.

The Al Mansoor and SCUD-A missiles are now being produced in Zahrain's weapons factories.

Zahrain's nuclear weapons arsenal now stands at:

180 - Nuclear tipped SCUD-A missiles.

85 - Nuclear tipped Al Mansoor missiles.

Zahrain's conventional SSM weapons arsenal now stands at:

220 - SCUD-A missiles.

40 - Al Mansoor missiles.

In addition to this, Zahrain's weapons strength for the Zahrainian Islamic Armed Forces (ZIAF), now stands at:

Zahrainian Islamic Army

500 - T-62 MBTs.

600 - T-55 MBTs.

1000 - BMP-1 APCs.

400 - BTR-60 APCs.

600 - KAMAZ-4362 transport trucks.

Zahrainian Islamic Air Force

70 - MIG-21s.

70 - MIG-19s.

120 - MIG-17s.

30 - Mi-24 attack helicopters.

60 - UH1 light attack/scout helicopters.

50 - Mi-8 transport helicopters.

Zahrainian Islamic Navy

25 - Osa-II patrol craft.

Manpower strength for the three sections of the Zahrainian Islamic Armed Froces (ZIAF) are as follows:

370,000 - Army.

10,000 - Air Force.

5,000 - Navy.

15,000 - Presidential Guards.

40,000 - Islamic Revolutionary Guards.

TOTAL MANPOWER STRENGTH FOR THE ZIAF: 440,000 men/women.

This decleration of Zahrain's nuclear military power status is NOT intended to be a threat to ANY nation, simply a statement of fact to ANY would be aggressors or imperialists!

From the President of the Holy Republic of Zahrain

Sayeed Ali

you really need to update your army and air force, and ill do that- for a price.

i can give you 75 SU-27's and 50 MiG-29's along with 70 T-80U tanks.


Pictures
SU-27 (http://www.combataircraft.com/aircraft/fsu27_p_01_l.jpg)
MiG-29 (http://www.ginklai.net/images/galerija/1769_mig29b.jpg)
T-80U (http://www.army.dnd.ca/GGHG/OpsTrg_files/AFV/AFV_L1/t-80/t-80u(4).jpg)

I hope I'm not warned for this, but I simply must say it:

GOGOGO TERRO RANGERS

Lol !

Well Willink, what price do you have in mind for your products?

Zahrain is a new nation, so it's expected that our air force will be out of date, but even when Zahrain gets more modern aircraft, Ill keep the planes I have, as they (MIG-21/19/17s) are good for ground attack on enemy troops and ships.

But yes, more advanced aircraft are needed for air combat battles.

But tell me your price and Ill buy.

It wil be 100 million for everything.

To:Zahrain

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We thank you for your time, and we would be honored to become your military suppliers.

[signed]Kriegzimmer Board

Actually those SU-27s and Mig29's could replace all your current fighters except maybe the mig19's. Thing is Mig21,19and,17's are not suited at all for ground attack they don't have hard points for air to surface missles nor do they handle well at lower speeds for ground attack. They are full tilt boogey interceptors and out of date infact. Upgrade the Mig19's and toss the rest.

DEAL DONE!

100 million USD wired to your bank account.

Please send the weapons to the port of Medina, on Zahrain's south-eastern coast.

Can I ask you if you produce ex-USSR weapons yourself or if you had just bought them off another nation?

i produce them. this is the thread that lists all the planes i use http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=421674

OOC: You do know that players normaly wait three RL months for nuclear weapons?

To: Pystland

Thanks for the advice but Ill keep them, you never konw in war, my other aircraft could be destroyed and then I can use this to fall back on.

Yes, MIG-17s don't have ASMs, but they have rockets and a cannon/heavyMG, always useful againts infantry.

As you wish but the Mig-21 isn't worth the trouble I'd sell those off. Btw you do know SCUD-A's with nuke warheads are infact too short of a range to even be useful? That is unless you like nuking your own people LOL. I hear they glow a nice green from fallout at that short a range hehe.

To: GS Reich

Thats not an absolute rule is it.

Thats just a general 'way things happen' thing.

Well my nation makes an exception here.

Like I said before, these are defensive, NOT offensive, don't worry, Im not going to be pressing the 'red button' anytime soon!

Well you can get battlefield nuclear shells from heavy artillary, they have a range of 40km, thats enough for troops to live, provided they wear NBC suits, which my army HAS.

SCUD-As have a longer range than that.

i can replace all ur old crap with SU-25 attack aircraft.

Big difference there tho. Arty shell about 50 pound warhead....SCUD about 750 pound warhead. BIG BIG problems LOL.

Big difference there tho. Arty shell about 50 pound warhead....SCUD about 750 pound warhead. BIG BIG problems LOL.

[OOC: Regardless, an artillery shell has a standard propellant and uses the force of the muzzle fired from coupled with a small screw in the back to traverse those forty kilometers. On the other hand, a SCUD rocket is just that - it has a rocket fuel booster, meaning it can handle the larger warhead and still be able to have a longer range. Be reminded that most of the fuel is expended in the acceleration and climbing phases of the rocket, and less fuel is expended during the terminal phase of the rocket - in fact, a lot of the range is traversed during the terminal phase, when the rocket is lowering its altitude to hit its target.]

To: Willink.

How much are your SU-37s/33s, MIG-31s/33s/35s and do you have any Dassault Mirage 2000s?

How many more SU-35 are you willing to give for replacing the MIG-19s and 21s. (Im going to keep the MIG-17s for ground attack and pilot training)?

To: All Involved Nations
From: Kenix Kil, Secretary of State, The Democratic Republic of Halberdgardia
Re: Zahrain is not what it seems to be...

I, for one, had a strong sense of deja vu upon reading the Zahrainians' message. I believe that the same (RL) person who ran Saharistan is now running Zahrain. Take this message:

Message from the office of the Presidency of the Holy Republic of Zahrain

To: The International Community

Nine months ago, Zahrain had tested it's first nuclear bomb.

The test was successful and from that Zahrain has been producing nuclear warheads for the last nine months.

Our ability to produce nuclear weapons was the result of purchasing nuclear material and ICBMs on the world market.

Upon buying nuclear material and uranium, Zahrain also bought 100 SCUD-A surface to surface long range missiles.

10 of these SCUD-A missiles were taken to our weapon laboratries and used for testing and missile development which has enabled Zahrain to produce it's own SSM missile, the Al Mansoor missile.

The Al Mansoor missile is more or less identical to the SCUD missile in terms of it's appearence.

However the Al Mansoor missile is an upgraded version and has these differences to the SCUD missile:

*The Al Mansoor missile has a range of 650km, compared to the SCUD missile's range of about 150km.

*The structure of the Al Mansoor missile has been changed to enable it to carry larger warheads than the SCUD missile.

*The guidance system on the Al Mansoor missile is more advanced than that of the SCUD missile. This is due to the SCUD missiles reputation for innacuracy in hitting the designated target. The Al Mansoor missile has the ability to strike it's target within a 50m acuracy range.

The Al Mansoor and SCUD-A missiles are now being produced in Zahrain's weapons factories.

Zahrain's nuclear weapons arsenal now stands at:

180 - Nuclear tipped SCUD-A missiles.

85 - Nuclear tipped Al Mansoor missiles.

Zahrain's conventional SSM weapons arsenal now stands at:

220 - SCUD-A missiles.

40 - Al Mansoor missiles.

In addition to this, Zahrain's weapons strength for the Zahrainian Islamic Armed Forces (ZIAF), now stands at:

Zahrainian Islamic Army

500 - T-62 MBTs.

600 - T-55 MBTs.

1000 - BMP-1 APCs.

400 - BTR-60 APCs.

600 - KAMAZ-4362 transport trucks.

Zahrainian Islamic Air Force

70 - MIG-21s.

70 - MIG-19s.

120 - MIG-17s.

30 - Mi-24 attack helicopters.

60 - UH1 light attack/scout helicopters.

50 - Mi-8 transport helicopters.

Zahrainian Islamic Navy

25 - Osa-II patrol craft.

Manpower strength for the three sections of the Zahrainian Islamic Armed Froces (ZIAF) are as follows:

370,000 - Army.

10,000 - Air Force.

5,000 - Navy.

15,000 - Presidential Guards.

40,000 - Islamic Revolutionary Guards.

TOTAL MANPOWER STRENGTH FOR THE ZIAF: 440,000 men/women.

This decleration of Zahrain's nuclear military power status is NOT intended to be a threat to ANY nation, simply a statement of fact to ANY would be aggressors or imperialists!

From the President of the Holy Republic of Zahrain

Sayeed Ali

Now, compare the general syntax and formatting of that message with a generic Saharistani message (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=420218&page=1&pp=15):

Official bulletin-Saharistani People's News Agency (SPNA)

Due to the support Saharistan gave to the People's Front of Jerobia (PFJ) in their just cause of democracy against the dictatorship ruling Jerobia, Leafanistan has decided, without trying to reslove this issue diplomatically, to attack us.

A STATE OF WAR NOW EXISTS BETWEEN LEAFANISTAN AND THE PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF SAHARISTAN.

Recently Saharistan made several weapons purchases from two nations, these weapons will now be included in the arms our military posseses.

All men and women between the ages of 16 to 65 have been called up for military service, to defend our nation!

Factlist of the Saharistani Revolutionary Armed Forces (SRAF)

* Army-320,000 men/women.

* Air Force-10,000 men/women.

* Navy-5000 men/women.

* Border Guard-5000 men/women.

* People's Guard (special/elite army units)-15,000 men/women.

Total SRAF manpower strength: 355,000 men/women.

TANKS:

* 30 T-72.
* 270 M11.
* 850 T-55.
* 1000 T34.

Total tank strenght: 2150.

APCs:

* 80 BMP-3.
* 350 BTR-60.
* 75 M-113.

Total APC strength: 505.

* 400 KAMAZ-4326 transport trucks.

Attack Helicopters:

* 110 AH-64 Apache.
* 12 Mi-24.

Total attack helicopter strength: 122.

Transport Helicopters:

* 70 Mi-8.
* 15 Mi-6.

Total transport helicopter strength: 85.

Combat Aircraft:

* 5 MIG-29.
* 45 F-14 Tomcat.
* 70 MIG-21.
* 130 MIG-19.
* 40 MIG-17.

Total combat aircraft strength: 290.

Due to enforced conscription of all 16-65 yr. olds into the Revolutionary Militia (which is seperate from the SRAF), the Revolutionary Militia has the following strength:

Revolutionary Militia-900,000 men/women.

The Revolutionary Militia (RM) is organised on the basis that those called up serve and fight in the RM in their own locality, in each city, town, village and district.

Those civilians exepmt from RM service are as follows:

*Doctors/nurses/medics.
*Armaments factory workers.
*Oil/fuel/energy industry workers.
*Communication workers.
*Farmers for basic foodstuffs.
*All shop workers selling basic needs (food/water/medicine).

All students/teachers/non essential workers have been drafted into the RM.

All RM fighters are armed with the following per RM fighter:

* AK-47 (with 3 ammo clips per RM fighter).
* 1 hand grenade.
* Combat dagger.

3 RM divisions (each RM division 2500 fighters) have SAM-7, as anti-aircraft divisions.

6 RM divisions have RPG-7, as anti tank/armour divisions.

7,000 RM fighters also are suicide bombers, not organised into any military structure, but fight in guerrilla/terrorist style attacks and even will wear civilian clothing to get to their target. Apart from their dynamite belt, the suicide bombers will be armed with a concealed Berreta 92 pistol.

End of bulliten

Call me crazy, but they look exactly the same to me. And if you look at Zahrain's national statistics (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/14691/page=display_nation/nation=zahrain), you can see some disturbing similarities to Saharistan, especially the total lack of civil rights and political freedoms, except they have a stronger economy than Saharistan. I recommend that these nations recall their WMD shipments to Zahrain, if possible, pending further investigation into this matter. If this is not possible, then it appears to me that an old enemy has fooled us into selling him WMDs for a new global jihad, and that we have possibly just made ourselves targets for a war of revenge.

Respectfully,
Kenix Kil
Secretary of State
The Democratic Republic of Halberdgardia

im not selling mig-35's and su-37's but i can sell u su-30k's and regular mig-31's in light of Halberdgardia discovery. (su-30k is the indian fighter that beat the f-15 at war games)

OOC: It is not my business, or even my area, but this is, in truth, OOC information. You cannot conclude ICly from it. The person seems to be RPing well, allow them space.

[OOC: Regardless, my prior invitation to purchase of Kriegzimmer still stands, and will continue to stand. I assure you that my technology exceeds that of any Soviet or American technology which you may purchase, and is still completely modern. Please, feel free to stop by whenever you feel your nation is ready to take on new technology. If it is true that you are Saharistan, you may know Hail and Kill - he is an avid purchaser off our storefront. Meh.]

OOC: It is not my business, or even my area, but this is, in truth, OOC information. You cannot conclude ICly from it. The person seems to be RPing well, allow them space.

OOC: Respectfully, I believe I can make this conclusion IC, as it doesn't necessarily take a genius to look at the title of this thread: "Zahrain has Nuclear Weapons!!!" and Saharistan's last WMD thread: "Looking for chemical/bio/nuclear weapons!!!". Additionally, as the formatting of the initial Zahrainian message is virtually the same as official Saharistani messages, and their nation looks very similar to Saharistan in terms of civil rights and political freedoms, I remain wary. Especially as my nation is a prime target for a war of revenge by the guy who ran Saharistan, a.k.a. Zahrain.

Halberdgardia, check the telegram i sent you, it patheticly outclasses anything i sell him.

OOC: You used OOC information in that post. These are seperate nations. You would conclude they are run by the same people from similiar syntax? It could just be the same secretary! Or someone completely different!

OOC: You used OOC information in that post. These are seperate nations. You would conclude they are run by the same people from similiar syntax? It could just be the same secretary! Or someone completely different!



yes, but a little too close for comfort(Saharistan fired 90 ICMBs at me) look at the closeness- same amount for navy, army, guard units, same type of aircraft, pretty close in types of tanks.

OOC: You used OOC information in that post. These are seperate nations. You would conclude they are run by the same people from similiar syntax? It could just be the same secretary! Or someone completely different!

OOC: It is the same person. I saw enough Saharistani messages directed towards me during the Saharistan War to know. Go to either of the Saharistan War threads (War between Leafanistan and Saharistan!, Invasion of Saharistan), ask some coalition members, I'm sure they'll agree with me.

To: All nations.

Yes, Im the same RL player that used to be Saharistan.

Apart from the fact that my old nation is now one big green glowing crater, Saharistans economy was shit, Ive made my new nations one much better.

But fear not, Im not going to attack any of you 'coalition' nations, I have my sights and Jihad set on somewhere else!

To: Willink.

How much are the SU-30s?

(OOC) Im logging off after this post, Ill be online tomorrow morning/afternoon.

As a member of the coalition, I say we let him be. It's enough that we've divided Saharistan into military districts, but let's let him have Zahrain.

25 million each i think, and thanks for destroying half my country. Since your unreliable past, i am refusing to sell anthing better than that. i can sell you 25 for 75 million.

Done.

75 million USD wired to your account.

Please send the SU-30s to the port of Medina.

OOC: Either way, one megalomaniac dictator who nuked his entire nation is one thing. If the intentions of these WMD's are used for more than defense or deterring purposes, than action might be a possibility. I'm just....sitting back though lol.

OOC: It matters not what the syntax is like. Here, let me make a mock scenario for you.

Here is America. It hates those crazy terrorists.
Here is England. It doesn't really care, but they helped anyways.
England sends America a letter.
America reads the letter and gasps, "Dude, that guy writes like a terrorist! Don't sell them anything."
America stops selling, so England stops selling. There are no more Kindereggs. People riot.
America tries to threaten to get shipments of Kindereggs.
England unleashes a pure, coherent beam of tea at America in retaliation.
World 'splodes.


See? You're going to make the world blow up. And from all things, TEA! Shame on you.

To: All nations.

Yes, Im the same RL player that used to be Saharistan.

Apart from the fact that my old nation is now one big green glowing crater, Saharistans economy was shit, Ive made my new nations one much better.

But fear not, Im not going to attack any of you 'coalition' nations, I have my sights and Jihad set on somewhere else!

To: Willink.

How much are the SU-30s?

(OOC) Im logging off after this post, Ill be online tomorrow morning/afternoon.

Welcome back, Mr. Zaraqwi. Or I suppose you would prefer I call you Mr. Ali? Either way, Halberdgardia remains wary of, but not necessarily hostile with, your nation, given your past. We hope your conduct regarding WMDs is slightly more civilized and responsible this time around.

OCC:I'm just saying, WMD's are pretty hardcore...and seeing what it did to 4 NATIONS!!(YES COMPLETELY SET BACK 4 NATIONS!!!) I really wouldn't anyone hitting anyone with them.

To: Halberdguardia

Well the Saharistani war was fucked from the beggining, I can only think that the ending I gave it was proper.

The nation that went to war with me was absent and then left, I had chemical weapons thrown at me by some fag who doesn't like the Holy Qurans view on fags and then ships with dubious intentions come into my waters, for which I take defensive action and then somehow a nuclear holocuast happens.

Besides, I do have nukes, but if I arm Zahrain with more modern conventional weapons, then Ill be less likely to use them. Saharistan's army and it's conventional weapons were useless (Mckagan took one of my cities without a fight) so nukes were Saharistan's ONLY option (don't mention my so-called allies, they were shit and did nothing) in that war.

Besides, nuking my old nation was better than letting my people live under the 'coalition', as they would have lost their freedom.

OOC:meh...I gotta say though, for my first major war...that was an interesting RP. I read it back in Leaf Vs. Sahar then joined later on. Ahhh...good times..

Just an OOC add-in.

Either way, Halberdgardia remains wary of, but not necessarily hostile with, your nation, given your past

Zahrain is not Saharistan, at least not IC. The player's the same OOC, but that's ICly irrelevant, and therefore his nation doesn't HAVE a past as it relates to Saharistan for anyone to be wary of.

As for Zahrain, you do realize you could avoid a lot of trouble by NOT announcing to everyone you have nukes in a country of 10 million, right? Good foreign policy involves NOT telling every country out there about your less savory quirks, unless you're a completely psychotic dictator. It's not like the Americans go around during all these torture scandals telling everyone they condone torturing POWs. Besides, a country of 10 million people probably shouldn't be sporting anything more than a fledgling nuclear program.

To: President Sayeed Ali of the Holy Empire of Zahrain
From: Kenix Kil, Secretary of State, the Democratic Republic of Halberdgardia
Re: Your Comment

To: Halberdguardia

Well the Saharistani war was fucked from the beggining, I can only think that the ending I gave it was proper.

The nation that went to war with me was absent and then left, I had chemical weapons thrown at me by some fag who doesn't like the Holy Qurans view on fags and then ships with dubious intentions come into my waters, for which I take defensive action and then somehow a nuclear holocuast happens.

Besides, I do have nukes, but if I arm Zahrain with more modern conventional weapons, then Ill be less likely to use them. Saharistan's army and it's conventional weapons were useless (Mckagan took one of my cities without a fight) so nukes were Saharistan's ONLY option (don't mention my so-called allies, they were shit and did nothing) in that war.

Besides, nuking my old nation was better than letting my people live under the 'coalition', as they would have lost their freedom.

Perhaps attempting to get off to a fresh start with former enemies is not high on your priority list, as it would be on mine were I you, but this is not a good start. The coalition would have been saved a lot of trouble with regards to rebuilding your nation had you not nuked it, and millions of lives would have been saved as well. As it is, your nation will likely be occupied by coalition powers for far longer than if you hadn't completely irradiated it. And, needless to say, the few thousands of refugees who escaped your country before its total annihilation likely won't be happy to hear that you've set up a new nation just like the old one, and that you are unrepentant for your past sins. But it is your choice, and though we are displeased with your current attitude, we will continue to remain peaceful with your nation unless you provoke hostile action, which we doubt you will. But we remain viligant and wary nonetheless.

Kenix Kil
Secretary of State
The Democratic Republic of Halberdgardia

If there is another war, no BS giving all your civilians guns, as my army, including reserves is around 950,000.

I think we should all destroy the 2nd holy empire, for being gay and doing absoloutly nothing but flaming and running away.

But you will agree with me in that my last point was true, in conventional war, Saharistan stood no chance, save a 'let the enemy take our capital and fight a guerrilla war' style of war, like in RL Iraq.

The nuclear option was the only option last time.

Zahrain will use nuclear weapons if it thinks it needs to, but Im not going to go on a 'war of revenge' against your 'coalition'.

Im staying out of wars for the next RL two weeks or so, let my economy/military/population build up then Ill start going on adventures.

But this time round Zahrain will be funding/supporting insurgencies/revolutions/terrorist groups, etc...

Zahrain will also concentrate on Islamic nations, as that is were Islamic revolutions will be occuring anyways (not much point backing an Islamist group in your nation, as your not Islamic).

To: President Sayeed Ali of the Holy Empire of Zahrain
From: Kenix Kil, Secretary of State, The Democratic Republic of Halberdgardia
Re: Your Comments

Im staying out of wars for the next RL two weeks or so, let my economy/military/population build up then Ill start going on adventures.

But this time round Zahrain will be funding/supporting insurgencies/revolutions/terrorist groups, etc...

Zahrain will also concentrate on Islamic nations, as that is were Islamic revolutions will be occuring anyways (not much point backing an Islamist group in your nation, as your not Islamic).

Interesting. We will continue to watch your activities with a somewhat wary eye, but so long as you do not incite these revolutions to get revenge on the coalition nations (which thus far seems to be the case, though, again, we will be watching), we have no quarrels with you. Let us hope this tenuous peace that has been established lasts, as I am sure neither of us wishes to be at war with one another again.

Kenix Kil
Secretary of State
The Democratic Republic of Halberdgardia

(OOC: I remember my first major war... Slavery... A 2 billion man death toll from nuclear holocaust... And that was only on me side...)

To: President Sayeed Ali of the Holy Empire of Zahrain
From: Kenix Kil, Secretary of State, the Democratic Republic of Halberdgardia
Re: Your Comment



Perhaps attempting to get off to a fresh start with former enemies is not high on your priority list, as it would be on mine were I you, but this is not a good start. The coalition would have been saved a lot of trouble with regards to rebuilding your nation had you not nuked it, and millions of lives would have been saved as well. As it is, your nation will likely be occupied by coalition powers for far longer than if you hadn't completely irradiated it. And, needless to say, the few thousands of refugees who escaped your country before its total annihilation likely won't be happy to hear that you've set up a new nation just like the old one, and that you are unrepentant for your past sins. But it is your choice, and though we are displeased with your current attitude, we will continue to remain peaceful with your nation unless you provoke hostile action, which we doubt you will. But we remain viligant and wary nonetheless.

Kenix Kil
Secretary of State
The Democratic Republic of Halberdgardia


OOC: You have confusing way of mixing RP and OOC, m8. You start the post as a OOC but then sign it like you were IC. Saharistan was one country, and you can debate about the war that destroyed it in OOC, but not blame Zahrain in IC based on how he post's, 'cause the outfit of someones RP is OOC. That's the way he post's and your president cant make conclusions based on that.
Coalition has nothing to do with Zahrain as it is completely different nation and didn't even exist in the the time of war. So it is pretty stupid to talk about "former enemies". They aren't, as Zahrain aint Saharistan.

"I congratulate Zahrain on it's nuclear programme. It shows the ambition of the muslim to defend their nation and Islamic brothers and sisters from external attack by all enemies of Islam.

As a fellow Islamic nation in the same region as Zahrain, The Islamic Republic of IranIran shall monitor this small Islamic nation's progress with interest. Trade Issues may be discussed in natural support of a fellow nation of Islam. "

-Ayatollah Khomeni Khomeni, Supreme Leader of The Islamic Republic of IranIran, as quoted by IRIIB Radio

OOC: You have confusing way of mixing RP and OOC, m8. You start the post as a OOC but then sign it like you were IC. Saharistan was one country, and you can debate about the war that destroyed it in OOC, but not blame Zahrain in IC based on how he post's, 'cause the outfit of someones RP is OOC. That's the way he post's and your president cant make conclusions based on that.
Coalition has nothing to do with Zahrain as it is completely different nation and didn't even exist in the the time of war. So it is pretty stupid to talk about "former enemies". They aren't, as Zahrain aint Saharistan.

OOC: Granted, getting the IC and OOC facts mixed up was probably not a good idea continuity-wise, and is just plain confusing too. But the point was to get the message across, and in a more formal manner than in OOC. But we'll try to keep things organized and continuity-approved in terms of IC dialogue from here on out.

OOC:TAG! Mainly because the Red Tide Mafia were the ones who sold the plutonium to Zahrain.

OOC-



This as a man who not only launched 150 nuclear missiles at 2 Nations, but upon invasion of his country, used them on his own country, killing 8 million of his own people, and along with 15,000 aid workers from neutral nations, and 50,000 troops from the coalition.

But the "leader" (Musab al Zarqawi) of Saharistan is frozen in liquid hydrogen and aboard the TCS Toxic Dandelion. There's no way that the same IC character leads both nations. There's no way that our in-character nation leaders would know the same OOC person controlled Zahrain and Saharistan, so there is no reason to attack him.

But the "leader" (Musab al Zarqawi) of Saharistan is frozen in liquid hydrogen and aboard the TCS Toxic Dandelion. There's no way that the same IC character leads both nations. There's no way that our in-character nation leaders would know the same OOC person controlled Zahrain and Saharistan, so there is no reason to attack him.

OOC: Forgot to mention, Tannenmille, remember to unfreeze him in 410.5 real years. :P Also TG me about it. $2 says I'm still around.

Also, I do have many terrorist groups, the God's Holy Jihad, Ku Klux Klansmen, Red Brigade members, Unholy Monolithics, and Swing Dancers. Yes, swing dancers are evil.

But the "leader" (Musab al Zarqawi) of Saharistan is frozen in liquid hydrogen and aboard the TCS Toxic Dandelion. There's no way that the same IC character leads both nations. There's no way that our in-character nation leaders would know the same OOC person controlled Zahrain and Saharistan, so there is no reason to attack him.

OOC: If our RL buddy here is willing to RP Ali as an ex-Saharistani who was involved in the al Zaraqwi regime, but escaped the country before its destruction, then there could be a plausible connection between Zahrain and Saharistan. Although he would probably require assurances that if he RPs this role, then the coalition nations don't simply attack him straight off the bat. I, for one, would agree to this, as we desire no war with Zahrain unless they threaten us somehow, which they likely won't.

Hey Leafanistan has a great idea, you sell us all of your nukes for $300 million US per megatonne and we give you a 10% discount in our store and protected ally status?