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Weinburg,

Ihre Argumente sind sich wiederholend. Lesen Sie meinen Posten, und macht nicht Sie Versuch herausfordern, jeden Punkt zu verteidigen, den Sie gemacht haben. Wenn Sie tatsächlich hinunter und Gedanke um es beruhigt haben, wäre es viel kränkender zu Sharina, wenn Sharina jedes Haus zu Sharinian erforderlichen Bedingungen wiederaufbauen musste, als Sie machend Hälfte die Arbeit für Sharina durch Reinigen des Lands.

OMG. Fodian cooperations don't exist anymore.

If Canada were to vanish, North America would still be there. You people have no eye for intangibles...

I don't think they understand we're comprised of Corporations this Regime

]Reinforced concrete highways? Like bunkers!?
Yea. No need for an "!", it's just a fact that everybody intilligent knows. You need lots of strong, reinforced cencrete, to maintain an elevated highway system.

They really don't count as buildings, and i need transportation.

What you do is send your soldiers to rob every freking building of its food and supplies, and amass those supplies. I am sure buffalo alone has more than 300,000 cars, even assuming there is one soldier per car!

When did I say they were buildings? They would dramaticly increase the amount of explosives needed just by being there...

And Fod isn't Mom & Pop stores. The grocery stores are (from what I know from Fod) countrywide chains with their own security forces (or contracted through private security companies). Crime costs money (their is no "police" force), so they would hire security companies that guarentee them protection.

Those security companies have the power of large armies in power. How you raid the places with NO injuries or deaths... is not reasonable to say the least. If you robbed one store, the whole security company would declare war on your mercenaries, and artillery and tanks would be headed straight for the crazy Croatian looters.

Also, you didn't "appear" in Buffalo. You somehow "appeared" magically in New York, making no IC post to say how you got their. During the new Fod war, you never made a single IC post, BUT Fod did quote your post on your mercenaries being sent to New Augusta Airport in Augusta, Maine, the capital of the Federation.

MABYE fod collapsed! MABYE he has weapons! GASP! Omg! Fod had weapons!? He expected to fight a war afterall!

GASP! That's what I've been saying and you've been ignorning! Those weapons are in the hands of "Markets", which are localized defense corporations allied because war costs money, and they prevent it from happing, but get it over quick if it does. If you raided those supermarkets, the local "market" would kill you, and other "markets" would rush in to kill you, too (because they all don't want unrest).

Don't be an idiot please. My troops could secure fodian NUKES if they wanted to.
You sure you're sober? The "markets" would DEFINITLY kill you if you tried. No doubt about that one. (You know how much nuclear war hurts business?!)


No artillary with me? Are you kidding? My troops are as good as gone without artillary. FOD agreed to provide the necessary equiptment and supplies to outfit those men when they got in his territory. Don't be a fool.
He never posted it. Don't be a fool.

OOC:

To be honest, I do not want to deal with another argue-fest because I want to finish this New England RP, so that I can start participating in other RP's like Mauiwowee's civil war, the Olympics, help in the fight aganist Cult of Barney, etc.

I do not want to be "hung-up" on New York for months and months in RL.

My latest RP post that I put up a couple of days ago states that I took over New York, but Buffalo and Rochester were mostly destroyed from the fighting. I believe this is quite reasonable, considering most of Vineyard's mercenaries were in those areas, along with most of Fodian loyalists and terrorists.

I did that RP post so that we can "cut-out" all the squabbling and fighting, then move on to new RP's and finishing the other battles like in Pennsylvania, Vermont, Panama, Columbia, etc.

tag

Weinburg,

Ihre Argumente sind sich wiederholend. Lesen Sie meinen Posten, und macht nicht Sie Versuch herausfordern, jeden Punkt zu verteidigen, den Sie gemacht haben. Wenn Sie tatsächlich hinunter und Gedanke um es beruhigt haben, wäre es viel kränkender zu Sharina, wenn Sharina jedes Haus zu Sharinian erforderlichen Bedingungen wiederaufbauen musste, als Sie machend Hälfte die Arbeit für Sharina durch Reinigen des Lands.

Here's a translation:

"Wine castle,

Your arguments are themselves repeating. Read my post, and you do not make demand attempt to defend each point, that you made. If you actually down and thought calmed around it, it would be mucher more offensive to Sharina if Sharina had to reconstruct each house to Sharinian required conditions, than you making half the work for Sharina through cleaning of the country."

who owns Malaysia?

who owns Malaysia?

I lost the link to the Earth V Master List thread...

I lost the link to the Earth V Master List thread...
I found it.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=411271&page=4

TAg

OOC:

Okay, so should we just move on, and consider New York war finished and over with? I'd really like to move onto Pennsylvania, Maryland, Vermont, etc. and try to wrap the whole "Sharina Expansion" thing within the next couple of weeks.

You see, I'm going to have a major surgery in three weeks or so from now, having Cochlear's implants done (Surgery will probably be somewhere between June 13 - 17). After that, I'll probably not be able to RP fully for a week as I'll be recovering from the surgery, and then after that, I'll probably need 2 - 3 months of lots of therapy. I'm not sure if I'll be able to RP a lot during that time, but I am going to put an effort to do so.

I need to talk to Vineyard about the damages in the cities, but we will assume he blew up most of the other towns. (That means you can RP the take over of those listed: Just remember that Fodian resistance is organized and fairly strong in the cities.)

I need to talk to Vineyard about the damages in the cities, but we will assume he blew up most of the other towns. (That means you can RP the take over of those listed: Just remember that Fodian resistance is organized and fairly strong in the cities.)

Actually, I have a positive and negative thing about this.

Negative...

Vineyard's mercenaries were holed up in Buffalo and Rochester, and possibly Sycrause. Basically northwestern New York, along the Great Lakes. Vineyard didn't have troops in New York City, Albany, Yonkers, Utica, etc. though, so he cannot blow up those cities up with napalm.


Now onto the positive...

Vineyard would be doing me an enormous favor by blowing up whatever cities he can, because then the Fodian rebels and loyalists WILL NOT have anyplace to hide or ambush me. They won't have intact buildings to use for urban warfare, and any defensible areas would be ruined. Thus, I can simply roll over these cities, and wipe out the Fodian guys quite easily. I could just throw some napalm amid the ruined rubble piles of the cities to deep-fry any snipers or enemy troops hiding inside.

Maybe I'll send Vineyard a "Thank-You" card, maybe not his nation, but his mercenaries when they probably flee through Vermont and New Hampshire. Hey, he razes cities and stuff in Vermont and New Hampshire, makes my annexation efforts much easier as well! No place for enemy to hide or sniper or whatever in Vermont and New Hampshire. No infrastructure for enemy logistics. Haha! :D



The thing is, I've already RP'ed annexing New York (See my news-cast RP from a few days ago), so we can simply assume all the damages and stuff already happened, and that it wouldn't affect my expansion, as losing maybe 10,000 - 50,000 troops or so out of over 2 million is pretty much nothing.

My Colossus Artillery can literally level cities, with their 10 ton shells. Imagine 10 ton napalm shells raining down on Fodian fortifications and such. They don't stand a chance, aganist Sharina because Sharina has far more troops, equipment, efficient logistics, etc. to throw aganist the Fodians, while the Fodians have to deal with anarchy, infighting, ruined infrastructure, lousy logistics, etc.

Real quick - I'm going to be offline for a few days as I complete a move. All my stuff is frozen

Look at this I just recieved from Fod:

Okay, I can't stand this idiocy anymore. Kindly alert Earth V that Fod was never a Government. EVER. During my stay on Earth V, TFTF has always been Corporate. Tell them that. And tell them that if anyone uses the term "collapse" one more time, I'll personally ruin their life. Kay? There was no Government to collapse in the first place. And if they INSIST on squabbling over Fod Corporate, kindly alert them that any Corporate will not be protesting any sort of incursion from either side, and will not aide either side in any way, but nor will they prevent them from doing what they wish. Corporate doesn't give a damn as long a you don't spare them even a passing glance. If anyone, however, attempts to so much as exhale in the direction of Corporate, they will meet the force of the entire US Forces confined in whichever area they've chosen to antagonize- From each, individual, Corporation. Corporate has arms of every kind, tell them, varied from A to Z, but tell them that its out of their league, and beyond their reach. And never, ever, ever, use the term, "collapse." There was no Government in the first place.

OOC:

Okay, am I getting this right... the whole time that Fod was active in Earth V, all his claims / holdings had no government at all? That's quite silly if he engages in warfare or other stuff because you'd need a government to establish organization, set up a viable chain of command, and supply logistics and such for a war.

There has to be a form of government for the corporations to exist, otherwise it would be full anarchy, where there is an absence of law and order. There would be mass lootings and no viable economy due to the absence of laws and order because there is no Fod government. However, if Fod's corporations establish order via private police forces, create laws and regulations, and the like, his corporations actually become the government itself.

I am fully aware that there are possibilities for NS nations to exist as non-govermental entities like terrorist nations, like Cult of Barney, The Real ALM, etc. However, those non-governmental nations cannot occupy, operate, or maintain a true nation, like holding territory, land, cities, infrastructure, etc. Those kinds of "players" can't act out a nation like, say, Sharina, Mauiwowee, TGSR, etc.

Fod acted his nation out as a concrete, viable nation. He engaged in full diplomacy, RP'ed going to war, raising troops, building a Navy, holding conferences, invading New Jersey, etc. All of those actions speak of a fully cohesive nation, not a non-governmental entity like Al-Quaeda, Cult of Barney, etc. Thus, government must have existed in Fod's nation.

Corporations could be Fod's government, as they can supply police forces, pay for infrastructure, etc. So when Fod quit Earth V, his nation collapses into anarchy, as there is no more "driving force" behind his corporations. Think of it as an economy crash, multiple Enron's, collapse of Fod Stock Exchange, or something similiar. His corporations dissolve from scandal, poor management, corrupt officials, devaluation of the Fod currency, mounting unemployment, etc.

This would be an "Anarchy" or "Collapse" situation that happens to a corporate based nation. This would be similiar to an actual cohesive nation "Collapsing" from a breakdown in government, the rise of biker gangs, increased crime, dissolving of "chain of command", overworked law+order departments, mass-ignoring of laws and regulations, etc.




What's more... Fod quit Earth V, so that means he gave up all control and say in what happens to his nation, people, and lands. Whenever a member quits from NS or any RP'ing community (Earth I, Earth V, Earth XXXXX, etc.) his/her nation and people collapse into anarchy and then poof into thin air.

Otherwise, we'd be counting their former populations and such in our current NS nation figures whenever we annex the inactive player's territories and holdings. For example, Sharina took over Sir Peter the Sage's, Yevon of Spira's, Kormanthor's, Blacktower's, Castillano's, Nova Soviet, etc. lands when they went inactive. If we suddenly count inactive or "quit" NS players populations, Sharina would have practically 6 - 8 billion people in North America, not its current 1.65 billion people.

Yevon was a 2+ billion nation.
Kormanthor was a 3+ billion nation.
Sir Peter the Sage was 1+ billion.
Castillanos was 500+ million.
Nova Soviet was 1+ billion.

and so forth. Add all those up to Sharina's population... means I'd be 10+ billion nation. But you don't see that happening, do we?



So this means that Fod's corporate government or nation or whatever the hell it was called, is gone. There won't be any revenge, mass-uprising, "Force of entire US Army in confined area", etc. I moved in with my military to restore order and annex Fod's holdings in North America, and I have RP'ed resistance as it should happen with virtually any and all inactive players territories.


Finally, if Fod'ian corporations still exist and survive the war + anarchy, after Sharina annexes Fod's former holdings, his people would poof, just like all the other inactive NS nations (See my examples above). Even if Fod's corporations did not "poof" then they would be subject to Sharina law and regulations, as well as Sharina's taxes and business practices. Fod's corporations would pay the same taxes as Sharina corporations, follow the exact same business regulations and laws as Sharina corporations, and are subject to the exact same actions and litigation as Sharina corporations.

However, his corporations and everything has poofed when he quit Earth V, as follows standard NS RP'ing etiquette. If I was to quit Earth V, I wouldn't complain or yell about whatever happens to my people and stuff. I would just say "Expect some resistance, thats all" instead of OOC threatening people like in this quote.

And tell them that if anyone uses the term "collapse" one more time, I'll personally ruin their life. Kay?

If Fod chooses to invade or attack my Sharina nation in NS Earth because of this, or engage in damaging stuff aganist my Sharina nation, I can simply slap an IGNORE on it, and it would be perfectly justified, as the attack/invasion/damage would be done for OOC reasons.



I apologize for the lengthy rant post, but I felt some things had to be said, and must be made clear for the whole Earth V community.

OOC:

Okay, am I getting this right... the whole time that Fod was active in Earth V, all his claims / holdings had no government at all? That's quite silly if he engages in warfare or other stuff because you'd need a government to establish organization, set up a viable chain of command, and supply logistics and such for a war.

There has to be a form of government for the corporations to exist, otherwise it would be full anarchy, where there is an absence of law and order. There would be mass lootings and no viable economy due to the absence of laws and order because there is no Fod government. However, if Fod's corporations establish order via private police forces, create laws and regulations, and the like, his corporations actually become the government itself.

I am fully aware that there are possibilities for NS nations to exist as non-govermental entities like terrorist nations, like Cult of Barney, The Real ALM, etc. However, those non-governmental nations cannot occupy, operate, or maintain a true nation, like holding territory, land, cities, infrastructure, etc. Those kinds of "players" can't act out a nation like, say, Sharina, Mauiwowee, TGSR, etc.

Fod acted his nation out as a concrete, viable nation. He engaged in full diplomacy, RP'ed going to war, raising troops, building a Navy, holding conferences, invading New Jersey, etc. All of those actions speak of a fully cohesive nation, not a non-governmental entity like Al-Quaeda, Cult of Barney, etc. Thus, government must have existed in Fod's nation.

Corporations could be Fod's government, as they can supply police forces, pay for infrastructure, etc. So when Fod quit Earth V, his nation collapses into anarchy, as there is no more "driving force" behind his corporations. Think of it as an economy crash, multiple Enron's, collapse of Fod Stock Exchange, or something similiar. His corporations dissolve from scandal, poor management, corrupt officials, devaluation of the Fod currency, mounting unemployment, etc.

This would be an "Anarchy" or "Collapse" situation that happens to a corporate based nation. This would be similiar to an actual cohesive nation "Collapsing" from a breakdown in government, the rise of biker gangs, increased crime, dissolving of "chain of command", overworked law+order departments, mass-ignoring of laws and regulations, etc.




What's more... Fod quit Earth V, so that means he gave up all control and say in what happens to his nation, people, and lands. Whenever a member quits from NS or any RP'ing community (Earth I, Earth V, Earth XXXXX, etc.) his/her nation and people collapse into anarchy and then poof into thin air.

Otherwise, we'd be counting their former populations and such in our current NS nation figures whenever we annex the inactive player's territories and holdings. For example, Sharina took over Sir Peter the Sage's, Yevon of Spira's, Kormanthor's, Blacktower's, Castillano's, Nova Soviet, etc. lands when they went inactive. If we suddenly count inactive or "quit" NS players populations, Sharina would have practically 6 - 8 billion people in North America, not its current 1.65 billion people.

Yevon was a 2+ billion nation.
Kormanthor was a 3+ billion nation.
Sir Peter the Sage was 1+ billion.
Castillanos was 500+ million.
Nova Soviet was 1+ billion.

and so forth. Add all those up to Sharina's population... means I'd be 10+ billion nation. But you don't see that happening, do we?



So this means that Fod's corporate government or nation or whatever the hell it was called, is gone. There won't be any revenge, mass-uprising, "Force of entire US Army in confined area", etc. I moved in with my military to restore order and annex Fod's holdings in North America, and I have RP'ed resistance as it should happen with virtually any and all inactive players territories.


Finally, if Fod'ian corporations still exist and survive the war + anarchy, after Sharina annexes Fod's former holdings, his people would poof, just like all the other inactive NS nations (See my examples above). Even if Fod's corporations did not "poof" then they would be subject to Sharina law and regulations, as well as Sharina's taxes and business practices. Fod's corporations would pay the same taxes as Sharina corporations, follow the exact same business regulations and laws as Sharina corporations, and are subject to the exact same actions and litigation as Sharina corporations.

However, his corporations and everything has poofed when he quit Earth V, as follows standard NS RP'ing etiquette. If I was to quit Earth V, I wouldn't complain or yell about whatever happens to my people and stuff. I would just say "Expect some resistance, thats all" instead of OOC threatening people like in this quote.



If Fod chooses to invade or attack my Sharina nation in NS Earth because of this, or engage in damaging stuff aganist my Sharina nation, I can simply slap an IGNORE on it, and it would be perfectly justified, as the attack/invasion/damage would be done for OOC reasons.



I apologize for the lengthy rant post, but I felt some things had to be said, and must be made clear for the whole Earth V community.
illogical

illogical

How so? Please explain.

How so? Please explain.
you guys are arguing whether a corporation is a government with someone who isn't even involved in Earth V anymore. And he's threatening to attack you for something that he's not even involved in.

you guys are arguing whether a corporation is a government with someone who isn't even involved in Earth V anymore. And he's threatening to attack you for something that he's not even involved in.

Ah yes.

I've been trying to explain that very thing. I'm trying to say that Fod's corporation stuff doesn't exist in Earth V anymore because he quit Earth V. In addition, I've also explained that Fod's threats won't faze me or worry me.