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Van Luxemburg Presents Navy Revamp!

Today the Van Luxemburg Navy announced it plans to completely revamp itself; the old navy ships will be scrapped or sold. some ships will continue to exist, but will recieve minor upgrades. this is the first attempt of the Van Luxemburg navy to design it's own ships. it has also been announced that a new superbattleship is being designed. the Revamp also futures a doctrine change, the Navy changes from a normal fleet to a Stealth hit and run fleet.
all Ships with missiles have the corresponding Missile Launcher available.


Marseille Class Stealth frigate

Displacement: 3,987 t
Dimensions: length 120.3 m (wl), 128.3 m (oa); width 12.8 m; draught 3.6 m
Propulsion: 2 Gas Turbines capable of delivering 30000HP each topspeed: 40+ knots
Crew: (standard): 150; (usual limit): 250
Protection: (Main belt): 3 cm; (Main turrets): 0.3 cm; (Main barbettes): 3 cm; (Main missile magazines): 3 cm; (Hangar): 2 cm; (Deck (key spaces)): 3 cm; (CIC): 1 cm; (Bulkheads): 5 cm.
Weapons:
1 VLS launch system, capable of launching various sorts of missiles (MK. 41, 24 cells)
1x 100mm Autocannon
1x CIWS Phalanx
Aircraft: 1 Sea Tiger (Naval Version of the Tiger attack helicopter)
Low Radar Signature (Stealth, achieved by angled design and Sound isolators)
Mine Counter-Measure system (MWS80-4 mine countermeasure weapons system)
Torpedo Counter-Measure system (SLQ-25)
AN/SPV 41 Navigation Radar
AN/SPG-51D Missile Director Radar
AN/SPS-40 Air Search
AN/SPY-1 Multirole Radar
AN/SQQ-32 - Variable Depth Minehunting Sonar
AN/SQS-56 Sonar
2 RIB's available

Cost: $500 million USD (incl. helicopters)
needed: 50


Bordeaux Class Stealth Destroyer


Displacement: 8,987 t
Dimensions: length 150.3 m (wl), 155.3 m (oa); width 20.8 m; draught 8.6 m
Propulsion: 4 Gas Turbines capable of delivering 30000HP each topspeed: 30 knots
Crew: (standard): 300; (usual limit): 350
Protection: (Main belt): 13 cm; (Main turrets): 10.3 cm; (Main barbettes): 13 cm; (Main missile magazines): 10.3 cm; (Hangar): 7.62 cm; (Deck (key spaces)): 3 cm; (CIC): 13 cm; (Bulkheads): 5.08cm.
Weapons:
2 VLS launch systems, capable of launching various sorts of missiles (MK. 41, 52 cells)
4x 72mm AutoCannon
6x 25mm Machine Guns
4x CIWS Phalanx
2x RIM-7 Sea Sparrow
RIM-116 RAM Rolling Airframe Missile
Aircraft: 1 Sea Tiger (Naval Version of the Tiger attack helicopter) 1 NH-90
Low Radar Signature (Stealth, achieved by angled design and Sound isolators)
Torpedo Counter-Measure system (SLQ-25)
AN/SPV 41 Navigation Radar
AN/SPG-51D Missile Director Radar
AN/SPS-40 Air Search
AN/SPY-1 Multirole Radar
AN/SQS-56 Sonar
4 RIB's available

Cost: $1000 million USD (incl. helicopters)
needed 200

Le Havre class Stealth cruiser


Displacement: 15,987 t
Dimensions: length 190.3 m (wl), 198.3 m (oa); width 25.8 m; draught 9.6 m
Propulsion: 2 A4W Nuclear reactors topspeed: 40 knots
Crew: (standard): 400; (usual limit): 500
Protection: (Main belt): 15 cm; (Main turrets): 16.3 cm; (Main barbettes): 17 cm; (Main missile magazines): 18.3 cm; (Hangar): 9.62 cm; (Deck (key spaces)): 5 cm; (CIC): 14 cm; (Bulkheads): 6.08cm.
Weapons:
2 VLS launch systems (MK. 41, 127 cells) (Frd, Aft)
3x 100mm AutoCannon
10x 25mm Machine Gun
4x CIWS Phalanx
2x RIM-67 SM-2 TMD
UUM-39 ASROC
RIM 116 Rolling Airframe Missile
Aircraft: 2 Sea Tigers (Naval Version of the Tiger attack helicopter) 1 NH-90
Low Radar Signature (Stealth, achieved by angled design and Sound isolators)
Torpedo Counter-Measure system (SLQ-25)
AN/SPV 41 Navigation Radar
AN/SPG-51D Missile Director Radar
AN/SPS-40 Air Search
AN/SPY-2 Multirole Radar
AN/SQS-56 Sonar
6 RIB's available

Cost: $3000 million USD (incl. helicopters)
needed: 40

Verdun class Stealth AA destroyer


Displacement: 7,987 t
Dimensions: length 140.3 m (wl), 145.3 m (oa); width 19.8 m; draught 7.6 m
Propulsion: 4 Gas Turbines capable of delivering 30000HP each topspeed: 30 knots
Crew: (standard): 270; (usual limit): 320
Protection: (Main belt): 3 cm; (Main turrets): 0.3 cm; (Main barbettes): 3 cm; (Main missile magazines): 3 cm; (Deck (key spaces)): 3 cm; (CIC): 3 cm; (Bulkheads): 0.8cm.
Weapons:
VLS launch system, capable of launching various sorts of missiles (MK. 41, 24 cells)
1x 100mm AutoCannon
6x 25mm Machine Guns
1 AA laser (capable of holding off missiles and such)
6 Crotale Naval AA missile launchers
3x CIWS Phalanx
Aircraft: none
Low Radar Signature (Stealth, achieved by angled design and Sound isolators )
Torpedo Counter-Measure system (SLQ-25)
AN/SPV 41 Navigation Radar
AN/SPG-51D Missile Director Radar
AN/SPS-40 Air Search
AN/SPY-1 Multirole Radar
AN/SQS-56 Sonar
no RIB's available


cost: $ 1100 million USD
needed: 10

Nimes Stealth Patrol Frigate



Displacement: 2,987 t
Dimensions: length 100.3 m (wl), 108.3 m (oa); width 10.8 m; draught 3.1 m
Propulsion: 2 Gas Turbines capable of delivering 30000HP each topspeed: 40+ knots
Crew: (standard): 100; (usual limit): 200; 30 Marines stationed aboard (total of 130)
Protection: (Main belt): 9 cm; (Main turrets): 8.3 cm; (Main barbettes): 9 cm; (Main missile magazines): 8.3 cm; (Hangar): 4.62 cm; (Deck (key spaces)): 1 cm; (CIC): 3 cm; (Bulkheads): 2.08cm.
Weapons:
1 VLS launch system, capable of launching various sorts of missiles (MK. 41, 24 cells)
1x 56mm Autocannon
5x 25 mm MG
1x CIWS Phalanx
Aircraft: 1 NH-90
Low Radar Signature (Stealth, achieved by angled design and Sound isolators)
Mine Counter-Measure system ( MWS80-4 mine countermeasure weapons system)
Torpedo Counter-Measure system (SLQ-25)
AN/SPV 41 Navigation Radar
AN/SPG-51D Missile Director Radar
AN/SPS-40 Air Search
AN/SPY-1 Multirole Radar
AN/SQQ-32 - Variable Depth Minehunting Sonar
AN/SQS-56 Sonar
1 RIB available

Cost: $400 million USD (incl. helicopter)
needed: 110

Montpellier Stealth Helicopter Carrier


Displacement: 35,987 t
Dimensions: length 250.3 m (wl), 258.3 m (oa); width 31.8 m; draught 9.6 m
Propulsion: 2 A4W Nuclear reactors topspeed: 30+ knots
Crew: (standard): 900; (usual limit): 1000
Protection: (Main belt): 23 cm; (Main turrets): 20.3 cm; (Main barbettes): 23 cm; (Main missile magazines): 20.3 cm; (Hangar): 17.62 cm; (Deck (key spaces)): 3 cm; (CIC): 13 cm; (Bulkheads): 7.08cm.
Weapons:
1 VLS (20 cells)
1x 56mm AutoCannon
10x 25mm Machine Gun
3x CIWS Phalanx
3 Crotale Naval AA missile launchers
1x RIM-7 Sea Sparrow
1x RIM-116 RAM Rolling Airframe Missile
Aircraft: 10 Sea Tigers (Naval Version of the Tiger attack helicopter) 12 NH-90, 5 Sea King helicopters
Low Radar Signature (Stealth, achieved by angled design and Sound isolators)
Torpedo Counter-Measure system (SLQ-25)
AN/SPN-46 Precision Approach Landing System (PALS)
AN/SPV 41 Navigation Radar
AN/SPG-51D Missile Director Radar
AN/SPS-40 Air Search
AN/SPY-2 Multirole Radar
AN/SQS-56 Sonar
10 RIB's available
3 LCAC

cost: $5000 million USD (with helicopters)
needed: 10

Perpignan Conventional/Stealth (50/50) Carrier


Displacement: 85,987 t
Dimensions: length 330.3 m (wl), 338.3 m (oa); width 39.8 m; Flight Deck: 75.4 m; draught 10.6 m
Propulsion: 3 A4W Nuclear reactors topspeed: 30+ knots
Crew: (standard): 3000; airwing: 2300; (usual limit): 5000
Protection: (Main belt): 13 cm; (Main turrets): 10.3 cm; (Main barbettes): 13 cm; (Main missile magazines): 10.3 cm; (Hangar): 7.62 cm; (Deck (key spaces)): 3 cm; (CIC): 13 cm; (Bulkheads): 5.08cm.
Weapons:
1 VLS (20 cells)
2x 56mm AutoCannon
4x 25mm Machine Gun
5x CIWS Phalanx
RIM-116 RAM Rolling Airframe Missile
Aircraft: 10 Sea Tigers (Naval Version of the Tiger attack helicopter) 12 NH-90, 50 Rafale-M, 13 Mirage 2100, 1 E-2C Hawkeye.
Low Radar Signature (Stealth) as low as possible, drops it's Stealth when launching aircraft. Stealth is achieved by angled design and Sound isolators
Torpedo Counter-Measure system (SLQ-25, AN/WLR-12 ACINT)
AN/SPN-46 Precision Approach Landing System (PALS)
AN/SPV 41 Navigation Radar
AN/SPG-51D Missile Director Radar
AN/SPS-40 Air Search
AN/SPY-2 Multirole Radar
AN/SQS-56 Sonar
15 RIB's available

cost: $ 10000 million (with aircraft and helicopters)
needed: 20

there is about 700 billion USD needed for the complete revamp, the Van Luxemburg Marine will continue to have 810 ships.

(OOC, how are my specs? credibility e.g? many thanks to Isselmere, for helping me out, also thanks to Global Security for some real-life specs.)

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You have a lot of stealth, but that won't help in an engagement where you're found, like if you have to protect a channel or place, and stealth ships usually lack superior firepower for obvious resons. You do need some heavy hitters in your navy. Oh, and there is no true stealth carrier. As in like your Perpignan Stealth Carrier. The active radar necessary to track and safely land carrier jets as well as sheer mass doesn't allow them to be all that stealthy. Looks pretty solid other than that, though. Also, the carrier design looks like the CVN-68, which is by no means stealthy.

That is why I changed of doctrine, my navy is now based on "Hit and Run" tactics, so an attack with VLS rockets from nowhere is more likely to be happening than heavy ship-to-ship battles. also I couldn't find a shot of a true Stealth carrier, wich did fit my expectations, so I took this one. I know that it isn't stealthy with Radar on, but when Radar off, it is a lot more Stealthy. also, I have an Aircraft-Carrying Submarine to replace some Aircraft Carriers in my Navy. I'm also developing my Counterpart to the Doujin class (somewhat smaller, but....).

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OOC: Decent beginning designs with a few problems.

A general issue is that the protection ratings you have given each class is the same, which would not be the case. You need to give each ship sufficient protection for their size, purpose, and means. The mine countermeasure system needs to be identified, and most vessels do not carry specialised mine hunting sonar. Sonar, certainly, but variable depth sonars tend to be for anti-sub operations. You will also have to explain how the stealthiness of your ships is achieved (absence of strictly vertical structures, dogtoothed openings, use of radar absorbent materials, etc.).

First, the Marseille-class. Such a ship would not require 120,000 shp since much larger ships do not require that much power to drive them through the water. 127 VLS cells on such a small hull would be pushing it, especially if the vessel carries a helicopter. 16-32, possibly up to 40-48 would be more likely. Furthermore, the ASROC is an anti-submarine rocket rather than a torpedo countermeasure. The SLQ-25(?) Nixie is a towed torpedo countermeasure. It is important to note that frigates usually carry anti-submarine helicopters rather than attack helicopters as the ships' primary function is as an escort. The price, however, is reasonable and realistic, which is always a good sign.

The Bordeaux-class wouldn't need to carry more than, say, four RIBs. Four gas turbines for these ships is certainly advisable. Again, each ship requires tailored weapons systems and sensor outlays.

For the Le Havre-class, two reactors are especially necessary unless they have a low power output. Otherwise, the weapons loadout needs to be specialised.

Generally, however, I would say you have had a good start, and I wish you good fortune in your future shipbuilding efforts. Should you wish to continue shipbuilding, I suggest you examine Jane's Ships of the World, which would have information on various navies' equipment that would allow you to come up with a good idea of where you wish to take your navy. I like that you have tailored your ships towards a specific policy -- most nations tend to go for the big kill (with a multitude of big ships hastily assembled) rather than reason out the means by which they mean to achieve it -- and I believe you will, in time, become very credible competition! :)

I have now updated the ships, some things I haven't changed (like weapons systems that look like eachother), because my aim is to build all my ships on one platform, also, about the helicopters: with Naval version I mean that it is supplied with Dipsonars and Air-launchable torpedoes (don't know the Mk. number of them now). I'll get the design for my Doujin encounter maybe ready in a few days, rather weeks, I will be supplying it with the most advanced systems available.....

i've been following this for a little while now, not wanting to steer you in one way or the other, just interested to see where you would go with it. so far very nice. as i believe it was said before, i like that you have a purpose and overall plan for your navy, and one that is a little bit different than the mainstream "let's build even bigger guns and blow the shit out of everything in open waters" mentality.

so i'll continue to watch and see where this goes... just one thing i'd like to point out, that often times missiles will still kill destoyers and frigates, and some cruisers, but with the NS armour schemes, missiles often times won't kill the enemy's capital ships... so for that point i'd be interested in seeing your super-dreadnaught design.

but enough of my blabbering. carry on with your nice work.