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As Prime minister of the nation of Veritam I have consistently worked for freedom, peace and honesty in all of my country's affairs. Today a grave threat has appeared to that agenda. The nation of North Mack, a militant empire has begun to threaten our peaceful nation and I beg for the aid of any noble countries willing to stand for the essential rights to life and liberty all humans share

North Mack requests that any nation to attack waits for a little while, as there is currently a rebellion involving over 10 nations. Please hold off attacks until my nation is now blowing itself up with nukes.

Message from the office of the Presidency of the People's Republic of Saharistan

To: Veritam

The People's Republic of Saharistan would like to help Veritam fight of any agressive actions taken by North Mack.

We can help financially and maybe with a few troop deployments.

Although our nation is not that strong yet, we would like to help Veritam

Saharistan would also like to know what position Veritam has on the Revolution in North Mack?

From the President of the People's Republic of Saharistan

Musab al Zarqawi

***Press Release***
Regarding: The revolution in North Mack and the threat by Veritam

The Holy Empire does not tollerate nations threatening to attack others who are in the midst of a revolution. Herin we condemn the actions of the Nation of Veritam in their open and international threat against the Nation of North Mack. We suggest that the Nation of Veritam let what is happening in the Nation of North Mack run it's course and let them establish a centralized and stable government before you take any course of action. Also, run a check on the government that will be put into place and give a reason for any attack before you start it. Attacking one arm whilst it's being stabbed by the other arm is cowardly.

Mrs. Charrel Cralom
Minister of Public Relations

Transmission From FBES Death-to-All

we are angered by your aggressive actions twords north mack and we
have taken defencive messures.
also we are setting up multiple blockades around
veritam to prevent further navel conflicts.

Taliosa publice releace conserning the threats against North Mack:

Taliosa is a good Ally of North Mack, and will respond to any attack on them with all power, this includes our recently tested Space Based laser system, with the same destructive power as a 5 megaton (500 kiloton) nuclear bomb, with no fallout.

Our alert is elevated due to the rebelion we are helping to stop in North Mack, so our planes will be able to be able to hit Targets anywhere in the world with little to no notice.

Taliosa asks Veritam to withdraw any and all threats before this escalates to war.

Thank you,
James Wilder, Commander in Chief, Taliosa

Taliosa publice releace conserning the threats against North Mack:

Taliosa is a good Ally of North Mack, and will respond to any attack on them with all power, this includes our recently tested Space Based laser system, with the same destructive power as a 5 megaton (500 kiloton) nuclear bomb, with no fallout.

Our alert is elevated due to the rebelion we are helping to stop in North Mack, so our planes will be able to be able to hit Targets anywhere in the world with little to no notice.

Taliosa asks Veritam to withdraw any and all threats before this escalates to war.

Thank you,
James Wilder, Commander in Chief, Taliosa

It is patently ridiculous to say that not only do you have a space laser system that can obliterate things with 5 megaton power with no radiation, but also that your alert is SO elevated that you can hit any target with minimal notice? Have you read the Guide to Nationstates thread? If not, do it before fighting a war.

As a further deterant to war with North Mack:

Should Veritam show agression towards North Mack, (ooc: with what troops I don't know, since Veritam has no military) ic: Xtesee will use its extensive military to decimate Veritam, as Xtesee has been designated the protectrate of North Mack, while it goes through a civil war.

Xtesee, suggests that Veritam does not show any further agression as this "dispute" has already invoked the powers of the C.I.N.

This will involve more nations, which is unneccesary.

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Consider this a warning from Xtesee
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Any more agression will prompt an immediate response.



~Dictator Mackie of Xtesee~

OOC: once matter reaches a certian tempurature, around 5,000 degrees C, it turns into plasma. Plasma is naturaly at a very low pressure, so it expands, vaporising all it touches, turning it into more plasma, all of this is fuled by the continual heat of the laser. The plasma field expands to about 50% larger then then area covered by the laser, and the laser can be widened to cover a circle 6 miles in diameter. I would consider a 9 mile in diameter and 4.5 mile deep crater to be around 5 megatons of force... probably more, but there isn't much of a shockwave.

As for the fall out, no radioactive stuff is used, just an X-ray laser, while it is high energy radiation, it only effects stuff it hits, aka, under the laser. And if you're under the laser you're dead anyways. Becuase nothing radioactive is used, there is no fall out, no radiation... ect.

More OOC: As for the troop deployment, I already have half my military activated, half of those are getting ready to ship to North Mack as it is. It would take mere hours to pack the rest up and put them on my Dragonbirds, which could deliver them just about anywhere in 10 to 20 hours, I consider that little to no notice.

Or scratch the troops, I could simply put a wing of Dragonbirds over your soil in 15 hours, fully armed with tons of bombs. If you could activate your anti-high alititude assets, high powered radar, and fighter assests and get them up in that amount of time. And before that happens, you have to know that the dragonbirds are enroute.. or even preparing to head your way. Say the moment they take off you know about them, thats about 6 hours after I give the order, so you'd have 9 hours to activate all your assets and get them moving before I arrive... little to no warning?


And it will only take half that time to realign my Laser system to put it in a geo-sync orbit over North Mack. Giving it firing capability over that whole area.

If you do anything to try to overthrow the current leadership of North Mack, we shall send in 400,000 of our Republican High Guard Dragoons into your nation to seize major cities and manufacturing centers. We shall disable your ability to fight war if you try anything. Consider this your first and only warning.

Office of High Father
The Glorious Republic of Leafanistan

Due to the Revolution in North Mack, the battlestation Alpha has been reavtivated. Alpha is able to strike almost any target on the globe, with utter destruction of the target, and no defence against it except to place a black hole between Alpha and the target. North Mack does not want an international war, and will not use Alpha unless provoked. Any incursion into North Mack by veritam forces will count as a reason to destroy Veritam and all its major cities and Military installations.

Do NOT make us use Alpha

ooc:North Mack, that is a blatant godmode, similar to my previous (and frankly inexcusable) use of gigaton range nukes not too long ago (don't wory, I leanred my lesson).
ic:

Secret Message to the Government of Veritam

Whilst my corporation will not be directly involved, we will sell you lkarge amounts of weaponry for virtually nothing. Simply respond for details of our weaponry.

TELL NO-ONE YOU RECIEVED THIS MESSAGE, OR YOU WILL FEEL THE CONSEQUENCES.

OOC: uh, no. Alpha is not godmodeing. it uses missiles that are so extremely fast, that it is impossible for AA-guns of a missile defence system to target them. the missiles go from Alpha to Target in about 2 seconds, adding the conventional explosives to the energy from impact at those speeds. basicly, it turns the target into an impact crater.

OOC: uh, no. Alpha is not godmodeing. it uses missiles that are so extremely fast, that it is impossible for AA-guns of a missile defence system to target them. the missiles go from Alpha to Target in about 2 seconds, adding the conventional explosives to the energy from impact at those speeds. basicly, it turns the target into an impact crater.

ooc: :rolleyes:

That sounds like a very expensive system.


*cough*

OOC: actually, though the first missile was fairly expensive ($3 bil) wach one after can be rapidly mass produced for about $1 mil. so for 1 mil, a target can be completley destroyed. Im a MT nation on its way to FT. i call it, PFT! (Pre-Future Tech)

OOC: Shouldn't North Mack stuff stay in the North Mack thread?

OOC: uh, no. Alpha is not godmodeing. it uses missiles that are so extremely fast, that it is impossible for AA-guns of a missile defence system to target them. the missiles go from Alpha to Target in about 2 seconds, adding the conventional explosives to the energy from impact at those speeds. basicly, it turns the target into an impact crater.
you know that that is basically impossible to complete - even the mach 8 supersonic unmanned aircraft can even be shot down by advanced systems such as PAAMS or the missiles it uses like Aster 30. Even if you are "PFT" as you call it that is still impossible.
Especially for an april 05 nation.

OOC: the missiles travel about 40 times faster then light. they can do this because they are not traveling faster then light. Confused yet? good. The missiles use a device known as the WFD, of Warp Field Drive. What it does if warp flat space around itself, causing the space inside the field to be different from vacuum space. The shift in space increases the speed of light inside the bubble to a much greater speen then normal. anything inside the bubble can be traveling about 40-70 times the speed of light to the outside veiwer, while to anyone (yet, people in North Mack have been inside a warp field) inside the bubble is traveling only about 20-50% of light speed. This is actually quite cheap, using alternation energy currents, and can be done by any nation larger then 40 million people.

-snippage-

I don't think you can use that for MT. Or even PMT.

i used it once in an MT thread, and people got so pissed the thread almost died. so now it isnt used in an MT thread. Veritam threatened to attack me. I am allowed to use any means necessarry to defend myself. And there are really no PMT threads, i just said im PMT because that is my ONLY future tach. everything else in my nation is MT.

and guess what. Veritam forgot to subscribe to this thread and now he cant find it a gain. He he.

i used it once in an MT thread, and people got so pissed the thread almost died. so now it isnt used in an MT thread. Veritam threatened to attack me. I am allowed to use any means necessarry to defend myself. And there are really no PMT threads, i just said im PMT because that is my ONLY future tach. everything else in my nation is MT.

and guess what. Veritam forgot to subscribe to this thread and now he cant find it a gain. He he.

Do you really want me to attack you in lieu of Veritam?

uh, id really rather no one attacks me, that was why i posted here. if i had wanted you to attack me, i would have said 'hey! attack me!' but i didnt.

now, if youll excuse me, i have to go now.

uh, id really rather no one attacks me, that was why i posted here. if i had wanted you to attack me, i would have said 'hey! attack me!' but i didnt.

now, if youll excuse me, i have to go now.


*tumbleweed*

Ha. Ha.

OOC: 3 Things:

1. Veritam, how on earth are you about to fight NM? North Mack is landlocked and it has 3 neighbours, Xtesee, Me and Forest Bread Elves. And I think none of us is willing to let you pass.

2. North Mack: We all know that the space station you used has nothing to do with MT, it is science fiction. I can't tell you what you can/cannot do in threads that don't touch me, but I certainly hope that you'd make another country for FT. Things are getting complicated with parallel universes if you are FT in one and MT in second thread. Still, the RP in that Civil War! thread was great, and I hope we can get it on again. If the FT-stuff is reduced, im ready to continue it.

3. Roughly 1/3 of the NM is controlled by Madnestanian troops, more than 700,000 men. Thousands of troops from other nations are in there too, fighting alongside the government. So If Veritam tries to (I have no clue how though, check the Thing 1) move troops in there, they will get badly outnumbered.

Here's a map I made with Smobaria.
http://img87.echo.cx/img87/5932/map47ps.jpg
It is, of course, unofficial but we made it based on the map you posted on the Civil War! thread. Red flag and area lined with red in NM presents the are controlled by my troops. Purple line in the western border of mine means the area Smobaria and I are Skirmishing for, and it's mostly under control of mnumerous tribes.

Firstly, I would like to appoligize for Veritam's recent lack of corresspondance on this matter and secondly I would like to clarify my nation's earlier statement. North Mack is a deadly imperialist power and I have it on good intelligence that it has repeatedly threatened the well being of my nation and it's people. I am not urging agressive action-that was admittedly a flawed announcement and I rescind it, but rather I would propose that we economically boycott North Mack to prevent it from attacking Veritam after the revolution is finished. Unless North Mack reforms itself we will find ourselves sleeping next to a ticking time bomb with a possibly unstable leader as the timer. Looking at this logically, North Mack has almost all of it's budget put into military spending and real world ambassadors from North Mack have repeatedly expressed agressive intentions towards Veritam, which compelled my chief ambassador to make a sudden condemnation of North Mack's policies. I, prime minister, appoligize for our rash pronouncement in hopes that it will not be taken as a declaration of war.

How has North Mack, what was it? 'repeatedly threatened the well being of my nation and it's people'? North Mack has never had relations of ANY kind with or even near Veritam. Veritam itself was not even known to exist until the allied nation of Xtesee brought this unfair declaration to the attention of Emperor Ryler III. North Mack does have much of its budget put into the military, but looking at is logically as veritam put it, North Mack was a nation born of war, and was attacked twice in the first ten years of its history. The second being by nations with a total of nine billion citizens! If we did NOT have most of out budget in our military, North Mack itself would not even exist today.

(OOC) This is not a post with any IC relevance I just want to clear this up.
Actually your "Alpha" does come under the definition of GodMODDING check the sticky, it's all there if you persist in the existence of this weapon your opponet has the right to employ IGNORE cannons (acccording to the sticky).

Firstly, I would like to appoligize for Veritam's recent lack of corresspondance on this matter and secondly I would like to clarify my nation's earlier statement. North Mack is a deadly imperialist power and I have it on good intelligence that it has repeatedly threatened the well being of my nation and it's people. I am not urging agressive action-that was admittedly a flawed announcement and I rescind it, but rather I would propose that we economically boycott North Mack to prevent it from attacking Veritam after the revolution is finished. Unless North Mack reforms itself we will find ourselves sleeping next to a ticking time bomb with a possibly unstable leader as the timer. Looking at this logically, North Mack has almost all of it's budget put into military spending and real world ambassadors from North Mack have repeatedly expressed agressive intentions towards Veritam, which compelled my chief ambassador to make a sudden condemnation of North Mack's policies. I, prime minister, appoligize for our rash pronouncement in hopes that it will not be taken as a declaration of war.

There is goddamn's CIVIL WAR raging in North Mack, of course it is spending as much as possible on military to get the situation solved.
And, again, I have to remind about the geological situation of NM. It is LANDLOCKED. If it's unstable, only nations it could put in danger are Xtesee, Me and Forest Bread Elves. You can't attack it without blasting of one of us (which you're free to try... :D ), but neither can it attack you without doing so. 'Bout ambassadors whining that they have been in danger and/or attacked, that has been done by rebels. Do not worry though, it is soon safe for them to return to the country, as the rebels have been almost totally crushed.

Colonel Tamujid, The Minister of Everything
Armed Republic of Madnestan

Thank you Madnestan.

Xtesee is pretty sure that it wouldn't let you through either Veritam.

Madnestan officially guarantees the independence of following nations:
North Mack
Xtesee
Forest Bread Elves
Smobaria.

These are the neighbours of ours, and if Veritam of any other nation tries to invade them, threat them or form a blockade against them,
That shall be treated as a move of agression against Madnestan and our we shall immediately responde to, with al military capability currently in our use.


Colonel Tamujid, The Minister of Everything
Armed Republic of Madnestan

North Mack's chief representative has covertly been making threats towards our nation. When I had made that previous declaration I was not aware of the civil war going on at the time. Veritam does not....and I repeat...does not want war with North Mack or any other national power-simply to continue to exist in peace. I have appoligized for my comments and will gladly negotiate possible reperations to the countries whose feathers I have ruffled and who I have no doubt inconvienced by my ambassador's rash action.

OOC: you dont want North Mack dead? then why is this thread called, what was it again? oh yeah.

Veritam calls for aid and the destruction of the corrupt regime of North Mack!

Note the destruction part in the title

OOC: you dont want North Mack dead? then why is this thread called, what was it again? oh yeah.

Veritam calls for aid and the destruction of the corrupt regime of North Mack!

OOC: Good point.

North Mack...I have never pledged to attack you-I have simply been informed repeatedly that I am about to be attacked by you. I simply wish to be left alone...my country wants no part in any war-whether premptive or otherwise.

OCC: Dumb people make me feel bad. He sais he called for the destruction, that doesn't even mean he is going to war yet, get your huge boners off the nuke buttons and learn to realize that NOT EVERY COUNTRY WILL LIKE YOU. I mean common, there is no way that Veritam couild fight North Mack but, he never said anything about attacking. Oh and I do believe I said something about this a few weeks ago, something about North Mack going to war with Veritam, and holy crap it is going to happen. Wow, what an event to happen, I was right. Oh and James, YOU CAN NOT BEND REALITY, the fact that you are bending reality is saying that the 'stuff' in the way is being bent as well, good job, millions die.

In order to defend the nation of Veritam, Allied Businessmen will send troops in to protect his borders, respect Veritams borders and retract all forces threatening his border.

--President of Allied Businessmen--

OCC: Dumb people make me feel bad. He sais he called for the destruction, that doesn't even mean he is going to war yet, get your huge boners off the nuke buttons and learn to realize that NOT EVERY COUNTRY WILL LIKE YOU. I mean common, there is no way that Veritam couild fight North Mack but, he never said anything about attacking. Oh and I do believe I said something about this a few weeks ago, something about North Mack going to war with Veritam, and holy crap it is going to happen. Wow, what an event to happen, I was right. Oh and James, YOU CAN NOT BEND REALITY, the fact that you are bending reality is saying that the 'stuff' in the way is being bent as well, good job, millions die.

In order to defend the nation of Veritam, Allied Businessmen will send troops in to protect his borders, respect Veritams borders and retract all forces threatening his border.

--President of Allied Businessmen--

OOC: SIGH. No one has ever said anything about doing anything to Veritam. He is the one whos threathning others. Besides, I don't think none of the nations mentioned here is borderm8 with him, actually.
His title is as agressive as title can possibly be, so of course he and his allies are getting prepared for the invasion he has started to plan. No, he didn't say he's going to attack, but he is trying to get SOMEONE to do so. Naturally something must be said/done by us. No nukebuttons, as you would have noticed if carefully reading what has been said. Just preparations for defense.

OOC: IM NOT BENDING REALLITY!! you understand nothing about my missiles so just shut the }{ell up about them!

i have been in the meetings where north mack has repetedly thretened the family and well being of veritam. vreitam has just taken defensive messures to protect his family. also the former emperor has vowed to destroy everything that they create

North Mack has never and will never have any meetings of any kind with veritam, either in or out of North Mack. how a nation that North Mack has had NO relations with before today supposedly was in a meeting, North Mack will be investigating.

In light of recent developments the Dictatorship of Xtesee wishes to use its most powerful weapon, the IGNORE cannon.



Whichever nation(s) fire the first shot, should it come down to that will not be receiving the support of Xtesee.

Rather, the nation attacked will receive the help of Xtesee's massive military might.

Veritam would like to ask the nations who have stakes in this conflict why a peaceful and democratic country such as mine with an extremely small military would be "planning an invasion". Evidence of North Mack's prior intent to attack Veritam can be seen here:

This was the content of a telegram sent to Veritam 11 days ago


"you are going to be killed dead. you should have never given me an excuse to attack you.

have a nice death." (emphasis mine)

OOC: Crazy stuff is happening. At first I could have sweared North Mack(cool name, BTW) was about to attack Veritam, but then it seemed like Veritam was going to attack North Mack, but then people got confused and were going to use death stars. I suppose there's stuff happening over telegram or in some other thread. I would love to take sides, but I'm not sure who's in the right.

OOC: Yea. From my point of view, in IC I don't give a shit about who is right or wrong. Madnestan has half of her army in NM fighting in side by side with the loyalists against rebels, so if someone declares war on NM government I'll take part in that RP, with everything I have. The thing is just that it is technically impossible attack against NM without going through me, as I'm between it and the ocean. So I don't want to see any post's starting like "1,00000...... of my troops are now in North Mack owning everything!!1111one",
because to do that one have to beat me, Xtesee or Forest Bread Elves, propably all of us.

bad news madnestan. North Mack Intellegance reports have just handed me a report. HatingMyCitizens, a nation of over 1 billion, has taken over Forest Bread Elves and is not on our side. North Mack is now exposed on one side.

OOC: What thread is that? Could you post a link or something, I would like to see what's happening.

sorry, no thread, this was determined in RL. (i know HMC in RL, and he changed from FBE to HMC, then conquered FBE pretty quickly)

more news from North Mack. Emperor Ryler III has been assassinated. General Jackson is now Emperor Jackson. It is unknown what his reaction will be to Veritams Threats.

:headbang:

Xtesee is going to use the IGNORE cannon, in this matter.

I'd like to, too. But it would be hard as I am already in the RP about NM....

OOC: you're ignoring the fact that the Emperor was assassinated? i dont think you can do that...

Official Statement from UNIverseVERSE.

UNIverseVERSE has been monitoring the situation in North Mack for some time, and wishes to point out to everybody concerned that any untowardly aggressive moves towards North Mack and her allies will be met by full military force.

UNIverseVERSE will continue to monitor the situation, and places her full support behind North Mack and allies.

Thank you.

North Mack thanks UNIverseVERSE for their support

To: All Concerned Nations
From: Kenix Kil, Secretary of State, The Democratic Republic of Halberdgardia
Re: Veritam/North Mack Conflict

As a member of the Commonwealth of Independent Nations, we find the threats of hostilities against the C.I.N.'s founder unacceptable. Therefore, we hereby proclaim that North Mack shall have our nation's support in any possible conflict it faces. We will not deploy military forces until war breaks out, but rest assured that any nation that seeks the destruction of North Mack will have to face us as well.

Respectfully,
Kenix Kil
Secretary of State
The Democratic Republic of Halberdgardia

North Mac kis glad to see how efficiant the CIN is, but wishes it was not them being threatened

I would send as much aide as possible to Veritan in their war against North Mack but I too am currently at war with a tyrant. I can send about 50,000 troops to be placed under the command of Veritan, but I can spare not much more.

As a Fellow MAO member Mondoth condemns Veritam's actions in the strongest way, any threat to North Mack by Veritam will be met with immediate retaliation against key Veritamian targets.

OoC: Urge rising...to throw weight around...must resist...slapping new nations...must resist urge to slaughter every last nation in this conflict...

OOC: has anyone noticed that Varitam hasnt talked in like, two pages?

OoC: Anyone noticed that I did sound kind of agrivated and not at all mentaly stable?

;)

Just resolve the issue, nobody gets hurt and I don't have to bloody my hands...

oh, i noticed, i just ignored it, cuz it scared me.

OoC: Urge rising...to throw weight around...must resist...slapping new nations...must resist urge to slaughter every last nation in this conflict...

OOC: I'm basically the same size as you, and very heavily militarized.

OOC: I'm basically the same size as you, and very heavily militarized.

OoC: Scary...not.

Sizes means nothing after you've hit the 2 billion mark, and as far I've looked up your RP history your not a overly active, so unless you turn out to be a RP master I'm not budging and you will be the first to taste blood.