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I am a new nation looking to build a military. I am mostly interested in personal arms and light vehicles (it is a militia) and since my budget is only 2.8 billion dollars I am looking for items that are on the cheap side. Thank you.

Come to my storefront

URL: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=412411

Thank you.

We are willing to offer 125,000 Argil-1 for free (we have an over abudince of the Rifle)

http://ickypoo.com/sllabecaps/Army%20Rifle.jpg

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The Colonial Arms Corporation offers the CP21 5.7mm Automatic Pistol (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=7710455#post7710455) for only four hundred US dollars each, with a cleaning kit, maintenence guide, spare parts kit and combat thigh holster (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/JC_Denton/1301304d.jpg) included with every pistol.


Chambered for the 5.7x28mm cartridge that is also used in the P90 Submachinegun, the CP21 Pistol offers superior accuracy and armour penetration while greatly simplifying the logistics of supplying a military on the move with sufficent ammunition. Be it in desert, jungle, or urban environments, the CP21 is designed to provide excellent performance as a military or government issue sidearm.

The CP21 is capable of firing in semi-automatic, three round burst, or fully automatic modes. While occasional jamming while firing in the fully automatic mode sometimes occurs in the current production model of the CP21, the Colonial Arms Corporation is attempting to correct this minor and occasional malfunction issue.

According to independent testing, the CP21 is capable of penetrating standard PAGST vests at 300 meters and standard CRISAT (kevlar + titanium) vests at 100 meters.

The CP21 5.7mm Pistol
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/JC_Denton/aae1fa64.jpg

Standard Caliber: 5.7mm
Length, overall: 208mm
Barrel length: 135mm
Weight unloaded : 680g
Capacity: 24 (5.7mm Rounds)



The CP21 is available with a black or chrome finish.

We are willing to offer 125,000 Argil-1 for free (we have an over abudince of the Rifle)

http://ickypoo.com/sllabecaps/Army%20Rifle.jpg

I accept the offer and give you many thanks. How can you pass up free?

We have a half-dozen Jaguar Close-Air-Support Aircraft leftover from military testing (we are developing an ECM version of the aircraft.) and would gladly sell them to your nation for, say an even 2 million USD a piece. That is terribly inexpensive for any aircraft, particularly one which is still in use.

(Linke to Jaguar: http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/jaguar.htm)

Greetings from Xeraph!

As we have recently overhauled our military units, we have excess surplus. In exchange for rifles on up to tanks, planes and naval vessals, we ask for a military/ambassadorial base in your nation.

regards,

Vlad, Prince of the Empire, Regent of The Grey Phoenix, in the Name of the Emperor.

I accept the offer and give you many thanks. How can you pass up free?

With those new rifles, you will need ammo. Even if they supply ammo with them, in the long term you may still need an ongoing supply. The Nissian weapons development plant, ArmTech, has enough room to quickly and cheaply make ammo in accordance to the rifle, and even to other specifications you may want (i.e. extended clips, different styles of ammo such as AP or even incidiary). A telegram is all that is necesarry if such a deal interests your country, and we assure you, we put quality and quantity on all of our products.

Best wishes,
Enrich DeBeux, Captain Director of the Nissian ArmTech R&D facility.

We have a half-dozen Jaguar Close-Air-Support Aircraft leftover from military testing (we are developing an ECM version of the aircraft.) and would gladly sell them to your nation for, say an even 2 million USD a piece. That is terribly inexpensive for any aircraft, particularly one which is still in use.

(Linke to Jaguar: http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/jaguar.htm)

That is extremely inexspensive. I wish to order 100 of them at that price. Money wired upon confirmation. Total is 200 million dollars.

With those new rifles, you will need ammo. Even if they supply ammo with them, in the long term you may still need an ongoing supply. The Nissian weapons development plant, ArmTech, has enough room to quickly and cheaply make ammo in accordance to the rifle, and even to other specifications you may want (i.e. extended clips, different styles of ammo such as AP or even incidiary). A telegram is all that is necesarry if such a deal interests your country, and we assure you, we put quality and quantity on all of our products.

Best wishes,
Enrich DeBeux, Captain Director of the Nissian ArmTech R&D facility.

Friendly warning: we dont like it when other peaple make ammo for our guns.


BTW Grey Militia we offer about 10,000 rounds (500 clips) per gun, standed issue 15mm for the gun, we offer other kinds of ammo too.

Friendly warning: we dont like it when other peaple make ammo for our guns.


BTW Grey Militia we offer about 10,000 rounds (500 clips) per gun, standed issue 15mm for the gun, we offer other kinds of ammo too.

Oh yes, I certainly understand and respect that.

Dont worry GM the warning was to Nissin, not you.

That is extremely inexspensive. I wish to order 100 of them at that price. Money wired upon confirmation. Total is 200 million dollars.

As only six origional models are owned by the Novikovian military, we are unable to process the request. All six units will be sent, along with a refunded 188 million USD.

Thank you.

I have 2 models currently available:

http://home.teleport.com/~hsimante/pictures/arm.gif
This one is our cheaper model, $100 each
Comes with a manual on installation and operation. Also has a 2 year warranty.

http://www.nvvm.org/images/boeken/Spiraal%20van%20de%20arm.JPG
This is our more expencive model at $200 each
Also comes with manual, and has 3 year warranty

Dont worry GM the warning was to Nissin, not you.

You should need not worry about the ammo. They will be made in the same manner as the ammo we give our own troops. We just happen to have a surplus of metals for ammo and a little extra space for making them. The government is also for the backing of all growing small nations, so we view this act as both mutually benefitting and also good for creating a better relationship should the Grey Militia need our speciliazed services in the future.

If you truly find our offer too offensive to your corporation, we shall not create such offers for your weapons in the future.

Sincerely,
Enrich DeBeux, Captain Director of the Nissian ArmTech R&D facility.

The Arms Industry is ran by the Army and the Army dislikes it when a non-Sllabecaps Business Messes with its Arms.

The Arms Industry is ran by the Army and the Army dislikes it when a non-Sllabecaps Business Messes with its Arms.

The ArmTech corporation is very sorry for causing aggravation to you, so we shall not offer ammo production of any active weaponry within the Sllabecaps Military arsenal, although we will still reserve the right to have production of any ammo for any requested discontinued weapon. We regret having insulted you, although both ArmTech and the Nissian nation wish to have better relations in the future.

Sincerely,
Enrich DeBeux, Captain Director of the Nissian ArmTech R&D facility.

Also, we have an Armored Assault Gun for sale that you may be interested in:

NPM-A SPW-05 E Armored Assault Gun (Export Model)

Program:

The SPW-05 is intended as an infantry support weapon, to replace the ageing PT-76 Light Tank currently in service.

Generally seen in a support role, it is intended to provide short-range artillery support and anti-tank fire for whatever infantry it is attached to, as well as give its attached battalion an amphibious vehicle with at least the firepower of the PT-76. It is also highly capable of providing transport for any number of infantry who can fit on its flat hull.

Design:

Laid out in the same basic format as the PT-76, this vehicle has a driver compartment located alongside the diesel motor at the front of the vehicle. Mounted directly behind the driver is the main gun, set in a squat position, far back in the vehicle, protruding over the driver’s head. Also behind the driver is the commander/gunner’s compartment, complete with traditional soviet auto-loader and open ammunition/fuel compartment.

Armament:

The main gun, with a 7.5 cm bore, is actually an adoption of the traditional 75mm artillery tube used by Novikov’s military. It is well capable of firing traditional, low-velocity artillery shells, as well as it’s more common armament, the high-velocity/high-penetration 75mm anti-tank shells (HV/HP AT) designed to knock out tanks with armoring comparable to the modern T-80 soviet medium tank.

The main gun is not fully stabilized, rather being in almost a rigid mount to the vehicle frame. This prevents it from firing accurately while moving, but there is no firing inhibitor. Thus, it can still engage with reasonable precision at short distances, even while in a full run.

This weapon is targeted using a modern laser-range finding system, as well as a basic ballistics computer, digitally connected to the typical thermal barrel sleeve. This gives it pinpoint accuracy at up to two kilometers downrange in ideal conditions. It is, however, missing some of the more advanced systems like those measuring wind speed and barometric pressure. An onboard GPS system also allows infantry to digitally map targets for beyond-vision engagements while the gun is serving as artillery.

A wide visual range is achieved via a pair of periscopes, as well as a similar pair of IR equipped panoramic sights, one for both driver and gunner. This allows the gunner to independently engage targets while the commander operates the secondary weapon, and allows full targeting options even if one sight is disabled.

Secondary weapons consist simply of a 12.7mm machinegun mounted alongside the main gun. Firing is controlled by the vehicle commander, who engages out his traditional panoramic sight. Because this was intended to operate alongside groups of SA-7 equipped infantry, it has no air-defense weapons.

Protection:

The hull is of a typical hardened steel construction with 3mm composite overlays. A sloped front and sides attempt to provide increased deflection of incoming shells (with mixed results), and a steel skirt can be applied to protect the otherwise vulnerable tracks. Its armour, however, is a mere 25mm thick in most places, giving it only marginal defense against small-caliber weapons. (average of 120mm RHA [KE] / 200mm RHA [CE])

Because of this, the SPW-05 is not intended to stand up to hostile tanks and its best defense is simply not to be seen, as its armor cannot stand up to the main weapon on any modern medium or heavy tanks.

If it is spotted, its last defense is in the form of a modified JD-3 integrated laser rangefinder/warning/self-defense device. Just like that on the Type-03 Main Battle Tank, the JD-3 detects incoming laser beams (presumably from a hostile tank’s rangefinder) and fires a parallel beam back at the source with the hope of blinding the computer targeting system on the enemy tank. The SPW-05’s version of this system, however, features a varied-intensity beam, rather than the simpler standard-intensity beam mounted on the Type-03. Export models, however, are without this feature, and carry a reduced-power point-laser system, estimated at 30% effectiveness of the JD-3. The varied-intensity was chose because it forces the enemy computer system to make rapid re-calculations, simulating a rapid change in its target range. This serves to hinder targeting ability by almost 60%, giving the SPW-05 a reasonable chance of survival, even if detected and engaged by a superior main gun.

Propulsion:

The Type-03 is powered by an air cooled, turbocharged 800 hp diesel derived from a compacted version of Germany’s WD396 diesel technology.

Crew: 3
Dimensions: length 9.0m; height 2.1m; width 3.4m
Weight: 20 tons
Engine: 800 hp air cooled diesel
Transmission: Mechanical, planetary
Track: Metallic with RMSh, with rubber-tyred road wheels
Suspension: Torsion bar
Radio: Receive/transmit, telephone
Cruising Range: 400 km, 570km with external tanks
Speed: Max road 55 km/h; max off-road 39 km/h; average off-road 32 km/h; max swim 8 km/h
Main Gun: High-velocity 75mm Anti-Tank/Artillery Multi-role Weapon
Rate of Fire: 6 rounds/min
Elevation/Depression: 26 / -6
Horizontal Traverse: +/- 5
Auxiliary Weapons: One 12.7mm coaxial machinegun
Fire Control: Laser rangefinder input, onboard computer

Production Cost: 1.250.000 USD
Export Cost: 1.600.000 USD
Production Rights Cost: 3.400.000.000 USD, Blueprints of all developments based on the SPW-05 model, & and contractual obligation not to use the JD-3 or JD-3 VI systems, or any subsiquent developments of them, on other vehicles without consent of the Novikovian military.

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We regret to inform you, however, that Novikov has recently pulled it's Type 03 Main Battle Tank (mentioned in the above article) from export production adn it is no longer available through legal channels.

The SPW-05 E is still on the legal market, however.

Friendly warning: we dont like it when other peaple make ammo for our guns.


BTW Grey Militia we offer about 10,000 rounds (500 clips) per gun, standed issue 15mm for the gun, we offer other kinds of ammo too.

wait, are you saying the gun fires 15mm ammunintion? out of an assault rifle? the M-16 fores 5.56mm ammo, most NATO sniper rifles fore no larger than a 7.62mm round. a 15mm round would be overly large and heavy for assault rifle use, a soldier could barely carry enough ammo for the weapon in a combat situation and the weapon when loaded would be heavy and fatigueing to use. on even three round burst fire the recoil could dislocate a soldier shoulder. unless this is an anti material rifle or a crew serviced weapon (neither of which is suggested by the provided image) then it is extremely impractical. larger ammo is better to an extent but anything over 8mm in small arms is ridiculous and even 8mm is pushing it.

We have a half-dozen Jaguar Close-Air-Support Aircraft leftover from military testing (we are developing an ECM version of the aircraft.) and would gladly sell them to your nation for, say an even 2 million USD a piece. That is terribly inexpensive for any aircraft, particularly one which is still in use.

(Linke to Jaguar: http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/jaguar.htm)

2 million is an extremely inexpensive price, the least you could realistically expect to pay for one of these is 10mill. I offer a 1million dollar fighter but it is manufactured with every conceivable shortcut (because it has no pilot costs are cut considerable, theres no pilot that requires interface equipment, ejector seats, glass canopy, protective equipment, the aircraft will litteraly disentigrate when hit but thats not a problem because theres no pilot to worry about) I would view with suspiscion any piloted aircraft sold for less than five million. If you want cheap aircraft buy the PC_8 from my storefront, it will die instantly when hit but is un piloted and can be deployed in large numbers because of its inexpensiveness

[OOC: Thank you, Mondoth. Remember, I said TESTING purposes. Yeah, that's done with. Nobody uses the Jaguar, so I can't sell them to a larger nation - most would scoff at the aircraft, seeing as it was designed circa 1965 - but I figure I can make a few more bucks off of them by selling it to a developing nation for cheap than I can by refitting them as trainers and then doing the same in a few years or converting them into target dummies. All that will do is over-specialize the aircraft and make them more difficult to sell (to the point where I may as well scrap them). Things that have little or no value to me, but are useful to others make nice gifts anyway - particularly when I stand to benifit diplomatically from the deal.

Also, I never said the aircraft were in mint condition. Just a warning to you, Grey Militia, - there may be some hardpoints which are unusable, some electronic equipment mission, and some engines and/or electronic equipment which is damaged or dis-assembled. Nothing overly sever, but expect added cost of roughly 500.000 - 1.000.000 USD per aircraft in repairs.

Either way, a good deal - for me because I would otheriwse get nothing for them (save a handful of scrap metal), and for Grey Militia because he (?) needs them.

Mondoth, please think about the fact that this is not real-life, and that diplomacy is often worth more than a few measely dollars.

Thanks.]

I understand but you should also have stated in the original post that there condition was not 'mint' and it would have been nice if the strictly political purpose for the sale was mentioned

I don't know about cheap, but just in case check this out: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=409787

[OOC: Apologies. My logic simply is that announcing the political motives makes it seem as though I'm scheeming, and thereby ruins the political gains I would otherwise make. Here's a hint people - NOBODY is nice just for the sake of being nice.]

Try the Woolwich Arsenal storefront; all very cheap and simple. Army, Navy and Airforce.Woolwich Arsenal (http://s6.invisionfree.com/International_Mall/index.php?showtopic=1947)

The storefronts in the McKagan Federation have an abundancy of the BJ2020 Scout light vehicles available.

This half-ton 4 wheel drive vehicle is perfect for light tactical assignments, includes swivel mounted 7.62mm PKM machine gun.

Priced at 12,000 MFD's (McKagan Federated Dollars).

Leafanistan has specifically designed a store for your needs, includes a pretty good selection: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=417701&page=1&pp=15