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The NHPA

Blood Moon Goblins
14-05-2005, 03:31
The Species Rights Protection Alliance

Goals:
-Protection of non-human nations from attempted xenocide by aggressor nations. This includes non-human aggressors as well as the human ones.
-Equal rights for non-humans in mostly human nations
-Promotion of non-human interests throughout the world.

Constitution:

I. Members of the SRPA will protect each other in the event of attack from any nation. If a member of the SRPA attacks another nation they will not be supported, UNLESS it is clearly a case of 'active defence'.

II. SRPA members WILL NOT attack each other in any manner, covert or overt.

III. SRPA members will not trade or have any relations with nations which clearly discriminate against non-humans

IV. All members of the SRPA in the organization for more than seven years (1 RL week) will have an equal vote on all issues.

V. At least %50 of all members must vote for an issue to become 'law'.

VI. Members of the SRPA WILL NOT discrimiate against humans in their nations or abroad.

VII. Humans are allowed to join the SRPA, as long as they comply with the above.

VIII. Members of the SRPA will defend non-member nations and/or groups who are victimized for speciest reasons. This will only be in cases of extreme discrimination (Death camps and such), the alliance will not invade somebody because of wage differnces.

The Blood Moon Goblins beleive this is needed due to the sudden rise of speciesm in the form of an anti-non-human alliance.
We emphasize that this WILL NOT be an aggressive alliance, there will be no attacks against anybody who is not a clear threat.
Theao
14-05-2005, 03:41
We would wish to be a limited or partial member of the NHPA. The only provision we would wish excluded in our membership agreement is article three as it has the potential to harm our economy and as the ruler it is my duty to protect and aid my nation to the exclusion of all else.
While I know we have had problems over the Sliver/Samtonian conflict, I believe that this allience would actually benefit the Sliver side. Reguardless I believe it is best to put that conflict behind us and move on.
Blood Moon Goblins
14-05-2005, 03:43
Very well, while we dont particularly like you, we will allow you to join.

This doesnt really benifit the Slivers because they clearly discriminate against Humans.
Theao
14-05-2005, 03:46
We thank you for your enlightened attitude.
Our reasoning for our belief that this would benefit Sliverkind is that Samtonia has stated they have a shoot on site order against all Slivers, a clear case of discrimintation.
Blood Moon Goblins
14-05-2005, 03:49
Yes, and the Slivers chose to take this as a threat of invasion, as far as we know Samtonia had no intention of heading over to wipe out the Slivers.
And this was apparently mostly directed towards Meihnian Slivers, since the nation of Warhaven appears to be safe.
Draconis Federation
14-05-2005, 18:51
NHPA,

The Dominion of Draconis Federation would request membership of NHPA, on the term that we have equal millitary authority between allied nations.

We also agree that speiciesm is a plague on the galaxy, but the NHPA doesn't go far enough, we must not stop at defending the nations of this alliance from speiciesist nations, we must also protect those who are not members. And not only should we stop at protecting nations from speicism, we must also protect the individuals that are savaged by those speiciesists that beleive themsleves superior and above the law. Human or Non-Human, they must all be brought to justice for their crimes against others, and if a natoin or speicies as whole does not wish to prevent or in anyother way resolve speiciesism, then they have no right to remain intact and must be removed, either partially or completely.

Upon becoming a full voting member, I propose that the NHPA, resolve to end speiciesism thoughout the known universe, and to prevent speiciesism from ever realing it's ugly head against another individual or group. It is my proposal to make the NHPA a permanant alliance renamed SRPA, for Non-Human Protection Alliance does not promote a unified existence, while Speicies Rights Protection Alliance does. We propose the creation of a special police organization among all member nations to prevent such speicieist actions from being preformed, we also propose the creation of a united fleet under equal command from each member nation, for the purpose of preventing speiciesism from happening in the vacume of space as well on non-member planets.

Council Member Qwei'dej Tri'o,
Dominion of the Draconis Federation
Mini Miehm
14-05-2005, 18:59
We wish to join, we have no discrimination against humans, we seek only to protect the hive and our way of life, if others see us as a threat they will fear us, what humanity does not understand it fears, what it fears it destroys, it is inevitable that the terminate on sight order will turn into acts of agression against our nation, we fight to defend ourselves, not just because we supposedly hate humans.
Warhaven
14-05-2005, 19:29
We wish to join this alliance.

The Queen Sliver
Mini Miehm
14-05-2005, 19:54
OOC: this is wierd, two sliver queens, freaky
Concremo
14-05-2005, 21:59
OOC: full history and details can be found here: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=419165

IC:

The non-human Daesus will willingly join this noble alliance in search for global peace and equality. We will happily stand by our allies in any combat or diplomatic situation, and hope that this freinship is as long lasting as it is beneicial.
Concremo
14-05-2005, 22:56
bump
Blood Moon Goblins
15-05-2005, 03:49
All of you EXCEPT Mini Miehm are accepted as full voting members, after this members will have to wait to be able to vote.

Draconis, all nations within the NHPA are considered equal, past the two week mark 'probationary members', who dont get to vote.

We will allow Mini Miehm to join IF and ONLY IF they suspend their war against Samtonia until they can PROVE that Samtonia had xenocidal/genocidal intentions against them. A simple statement that they will kill Slivers that enter their nation is not enough.
Also, the remark you make in 'defending' your position is clearly species, stating that Humans must be wiped out for the good of the world does not 'flow', considering that most of the world consists OF humans.

Vote I:
Issue: Article VIII, 'Preemptive Protection'
Proposed by: Draconis Federation
Full Article:
Members of the NHPA will defend non-member nations and/or groups who are victimized for speciest reasons.

Vote II:
Issue: Alliance name
Proposed by: Draconis Federation
Full Article:
Change name to SRPA, or Species Rights Protection Allliance
Addendum:
Creation of 'international police force' to enforce proposed Article VIII

1 vote per member on each proposition.

BMG votes 'yes' on both accounts.

OOC:
I think we need to specify which nations are futuretech and which are modern, because frankly I hate threatening people with FT allies in an MT war, it spoils the RP.
Warhaven
15-05-2005, 03:54
Yes to both

OOC: I myself am both FT and Magitech. Magitech is how I explain Sliver Abilities, and plus, I have a fair number of not only Wizards and Archwizards, but also Paladins, Monks, Druids, Rangers, and elemental Magic slivers. None of which fall under FT or MT, and only under Magitech.
Draconis Federation
15-05-2005, 05:36
(Im future tech, and magitech, not really, magitech persay, but how else can I explain the physics behind translocation without alienating other nations.)
(Secondly, uh, do I have to wait two weeks to vote or can I vote now? Also we need to decide if the person making a proposal can vote, given they do it in Congress, but I'm not sure if BMG wants an alliance like our Congress.)
(Please reply BMG, thank you.)
Flaming Souls
15-05-2005, 05:51
The Star Imperium of Flaming Souls would like to join this pact, as we are non-human. However, we cannot abide by the third provision of the constitution as it would be a negative act upon our economy. It would also alienate some of our allies. Other than this, we are more than ready to abide by any other laws of this pact.
Blood Moon Goblins
15-05-2005, 06:11
(OOC:
All members I accepted can vote now, no need to wait.
People who cant vote cant propose, obviously.)

IC:
Flaming Souls, the third article is key to the entire thing. If we go around supporting nations that discriminate against non-humans, we wouldnt be much of a protection alliance, would we?
Besides, if article 8 passess, you would be in trouble with these allies anyway, wouldnt you?
Flaming Souls
15-05-2005, 06:22
(ooc: I think i could fit it in somehow, however if it caused a problem, i would have to leave the alliance.)
Draconis Federation
15-05-2005, 08:00
Draconis Federation votes yes on both accounts.
Concremo
15-05-2005, 09:08
Concremo votes yes on both issues, and thanks you for allowing us in.

We would like to propose an ammendment to Vote 1; extending this defense to any racial and/or political minoroties/slaves/oppressed people. We think that racism, although less extreme than specesism is too a plague.
Draconis Federation
15-05-2005, 10:29
I vote for Concremo's admendment, even if it is badly written and proposed. racism may be a lesser form of speiciesism, but far to often racism begets speiciesism.
Concremo
15-05-2005, 20:31
OOC: badly written? explain please.

IC:
We predict the rising of the NHPA as a global power, and shall work hard to be a reliable member. Although forces are currently overseas, but not at war, we shall put what support we can to our allies.
Theao
15-05-2005, 20:33
We vote nay to both articles and yea to the amendment proposed by Concremo.
Taldaan
15-05-2005, 21:02
While we do not wish to join this alliance, we send our warmest greetings and full support. While our nation is predominantly human, all intelligent species are treated as equals, with equal rights and the equal responsibilities that go hand in hand with them.

Good luck with your alliance, and we hope that it will do much towards preventing much of the interspecies conflict within the world.
Blood Moon Goblins
15-05-2005, 21:13
We vote nay to both articles and yea to the amendment proposed by Concremo.
Concremo's proposal was PART of DF's.

In any case, both of DF's proposals have passed.
However, I cant change to title of this topic, so it will still be the NHPA topic, sorry :P
Draconis Federation
15-05-2005, 21:50
Oh well as long as we refer to the alliance as the SRPA.
The Elven Forests
15-05-2005, 22:02
We would be most happy to join.

--Queen Idrial.
Draconis Federation
15-05-2005, 23:58
Ohh, an Elven queen, in an alliance with a Goblin king, what would have been the odds, hmm ... *calculating* ... 76,543 in 1,293,487. That sound right.
The Resurgent Dream
15-05-2005, 23:58
While we do not intend to join, the Principality of Darav does find the emergence of this new alliance of particular interests to us and to our affairs in this part of the world. We would be most interested in diplomatic relations both with this alliance as a whole and with its individual members.
-Princess Krisaga
Mini Miehm
23-05-2005, 19:53
All of you EXCEPT Mini Miehm are accepted as full voting members, after this members will have to wait to be able to vote.

Draconis, all nations within the NHPA are considered equal, past the two week mark 'probationary members', who dont get to vote.

We will allow Mini Miehm to join IF and ONLY IF they suspend their war against Samtonia until they can PROVE that Samtonia had xenocidal/genocidal intentions against them. A simple statement that they will kill Slivers that enter their nation is not enough.
Also, the remark you make in 'defending' your position is clearly species, stating that Humans must be wiped out for the good of the world does not 'flow', considering that most of the world consists OF humans.

Vote I:
Issue: Article VIII, 'Preemptive Protection'
Proposed by: Draconis Federation
Full Article:
Members of the NHPA will defend non-member nations and/or groups who are victimized for speciest reasons.

Vote II:
Issue: Alliance name
Proposed by: Draconis Federation
Full Article:
Change name to SRPA, or Species Rights Protection Allliance
Addendum:
Creation of 'international police force' to enforce proposed Article VIII

1 vote per member on each proposition.

BMG votes 'yes' on both accounts.

OOC:
I think we need to specify which nations are futuretech and which are modern, because frankly I hate threatening people with FT allies in an MT war, it spoils the RP.

They stated they would kill any sliver they saw, not just ones entering their nation, and if they are willing to describe us as dangerous enough to shoot on sight might they not decide to simply eliminate a threat they can't even know exists, since our goal is peaceful exploration and expansion we do not see why we warrant a kill on sight order.

We did not state we would destroy humanity, we said that HUMANITY destroys what they fear, and that they fear what they do not understand, they fear us and they will eventually try to destroy us, it is ingrained in their history.
Draconis Federation
23-05-2005, 23:15
So would you have us destroy humanity instead? I am sorry, deeply sorry, but we can not destroy one race to protect another. If they try to destroy your people then we are obliged to aid. While if you attack them and threaten their existence we will be obliged to aid them. We can only protect your species not your nation, if their threats are just that threats, there is nothing we can do. Only when we have proff that they are a danger to the rest of existence can we take steps to prevent such a threat.

As for the police force we are establishing to protect the individuals that are affected by speciesism, they can only be used when there is no other way to avoid conflict, such as contact. Because if you avoid contact with these humans then they will not be able to harm you.

Draconis Federation Council
Dark Visions
23-05-2005, 23:49
The Borderlands of Dark Visions wishes to become a part of this alliance. We are a new nation carved out of the territories of The Empire of Xeraph, whom we believe has ties to BMG. We are the first nation of the Empire to be completely populated by humanoid/non-human entities. The Emperor has given the go-ahead to seek out like-minded nations who can tolerate diversity in species.

Thank You,

Dzillya, of the Clan M'this'ti
Blood Moon Goblins
24-05-2005, 00:08
Accepted Dark Visions, welcome to our Alliance.
Mini Miehm
24-05-2005, 20:43
So would you have us destroy humanity instead? I am sorry, deeply sorry, but we can not destroy one race to protect another. If they try to destroy your people then we are obliged to aid. While if you attack them and threaten their existence we will be obliged to aid them. We can only protect your species not your nation, if their threats are just that threats, there is nothing we can do. Only when we have proff that they are a danger to the rest of existence can we take steps to prevent such a threat.

As for the police force we are establishing to protect the individuals that are affected by speciesism, they can only be used when there is no other way to avoid conflict, such as contact. Because if you avoid contact with these humans then they will not be able to harm you.

Draconis Federation Council

I do not feel we should destroy humanity, most are quite reasonable, my point is that THESE humans have made no effort to understand us, merely branded us a threat, when humans are threatened, in their eyes if not in fact, they tend to destroy the perceived threat, since there is a very well laid out historical precedent for this(hitler and the jews, george bush and iraq, vietnam and korea, WW2 japan, you get my point) we thought it best that they not be given a chance to act against us, in a time and place of their choosing, under conditions favorable to them.

We attempted to explain to them that we were not interested in destroying anything, merely wishing to be allowed to exist without a declaration of war against us, which is what a shoot on sight order amounts to, there will be no second chances for those of us that meet samtonians, they will simply be killed by those who have declared themselves the enemies of my people.

They are a threat to all non-humans if you follow human history close enough, originally Hitler hated only Jews, then gypsies, then homosexuals, then the physichally disabled, then the mentally ill and handicapped, then all who were not blonde haired blue eyed aryans, he did not start out hating all of them, it was a progression, then he destroyed those that he hated, if given the chance we fear that samtonia will do the same to us. You do not seem to understand that my people are my nation, I am the queen and they my subjects, I am their mother and they my children, if samtonia orders his troops to shoot us on sight he has declared war on my nation, he has not said as much but he has made a de facto declaration of war, my entire population is branded a threat to his nation and he will destroy us if given the chance.

If you had given that advice to an African American in the US during the civil rights movement or a jew during the holocaust it would have been as specious as it is now, if we avoid contact with them, then yes we will have peace for a time, but eventually, it is garaunteed, one of my children will meet a samtonian somewhere, perhaps it will be an ambassador near the samtonian embassy, or just a random encounter on the streets, in any case a samtonian citizen will have murdered one of my children, that is an act of war, this war will come eventually.

We are willing to put aside our differences with samtonia and cease actions against him for the present until it can be proven that he has hostile designs on my people, once it is proven we will act with all due haste and terminate his rulers term of office with extreme prejudice and concurrent violence.
Blood Moon Goblins
24-05-2005, 21:32
OOC:
You do realize that NS Diplomats will have no idea what your talking about? There is no such country as Vietnam, Japan, Korea, or for that matter, the United States. There are countries (or once were) with those names, but most of them didnt get RPed with.
Besides, the 'evil' of Bush is debatable.
Mini Miehm
24-05-2005, 21:39
OOC:
You do realize that NS Diplomats will have no idea what your talking about? There is no such country as Vietnam, Japan, Korea, or for that matter, the United States. There are countries (or once were) with those names, but most of them didnt get RPed with.
Besides, the 'evil' of Bush is debatable.

OOC: yeah, bush is debatable, however, I believe that what history has come before in RL is still accepted by most nations as having occured in NS as well, since most don't feel like writing a world history. The nations I mentioned would then be in history texts but nowhere else.
Draconis Federation
24-05-2005, 23:12
(I will not except current events or any other past evedentual truth in NS forums, I rp an alien speices that knows nothing about earth our the past of humanity, nor do they care. But if you debate Bush I put my foot down, Iraq is free and that is all that matters. So I would kindly ask that you don't bring your personal politics into a rp world, thank you.)

The murder of an individual is not an act of war and if you would start a war over such a ridiculus cause I would have to suspect you of truly being the threat.

What you don't seem to understand is that it is our job within the SRPA is to prevent any racial conflict, but if you begin a war we can not protect you, nor should we. I hate to say this but if you feel so strongly that we must protect you, then prehaps you should remove all Samtonians from your nation if you feel that their presense is such a threat to your nation.

It is our duty to try everything short of relocation to prevent conflict and if that means we station fleets within your sector then we are willing to do that. But you must know that your people will be contributing the majority of the force to protect you, it is not our duty to protect those not willing to defend themselves.

But we will not act unless you are certain there is no other way for you to avoid conflict on your own.

Draconis Federation Council
Daistallia 2104
25-05-2005, 10:07
We also find this very interesting, but cannot join due to Article III.
Would a non-voting associate membership be acceptable for those whose constitutions disallow a full membership, such as Flaming Souls and myself.

OOC: Everyone else may also want to take a look at our region, the home of the Non Human Union: http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/34016/page=display_region
Sea Reapers
25-05-2005, 11:21
"You have our support, but I am afraid we cannot be associated with an outside organisation in such a fashion. It would bring too much attention to our fair island, attention which would not be in the best interests of either the Sea Reapers or the Smarties. We will fight our aggressors alone."

Queen Sappho of the Sea Reapers



"We'd join, really we would, if it didn't completely stand in the way of our entire civilisation's goals. Other than that... yeah. I don't suppose anyone wants to help us out with a little genocide of our own? Nah, didn't think so. Have fun, anyway."

Lord Krat, Overlord of the Land Reapers



"How do you say 'NHPA'? I've been trying but I can't seem to do it. 'Nepah'... 'nehpa'... I I know, I need some ale to help me!"

Lurgonishoff, random Smartie
Warhaven
26-05-2005, 04:08
OOC:I use ancient history from so far back that no one could possibly even care about it, as the bases for my current era nation. Yes, I RP Gods. I keep it in reasonible though, and will even tell anybody ICly or OOCly how to defeat them, not that that makes it any easier. The two Gods I do have qas my own unique characers, soon to be three with the resurrection of Kajeenith, a Dark God, are really only three citizens. They are the true rulers, the minds behind my Slivers, and the Followers of Warfare.
The Kadall
26-05-2005, 19:25
Dear Comrades!

I must confess mixed responses to seeing the creation of your organisation. It gives me great hope to see that there are still willing nations to join in solidarity and in community to assist one another and uphold the highest ideals. It is however concerning that the creation of organisation only proves that the Non-Human Union has been failing to provide its duty of service.

The NHU is a highly reputable and comprehensive alliance. We have a Constitution, our own region, a map and various other assets of a more mature and established organisation. We deal in political, social, military and economic levels as there is no denying the interdependence of all nations and the need for solidarity amongst the otherwise marginalised and even oppressed non-human nations. We do not exclude human membership however.

I prepose that the members of the SPRA disband and join the Non-Human Union which is an already established body with guidelines and the benefit of historical integrity rather then attempting to construct a duel organisation from the very beginning.

Our Region is at: http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/ obviously we are always looking for new members as things have become otherwise quiet.

Our Forum is at: http://s2.invisionfree.com/The_Non_Human_Union/index.php?&CODE=01 and you are all welcome to join even is only as an observer.

Best Regards

- Biotopia
The Kadall
26-05-2005, 19:27
Yes i know it says The Kadall and it's annoying the feck out of me but that and this is a post by Biotopia, one of the founding members of the NHU.
Mini Miehm
26-05-2005, 19:59
(I will not except current events or any other past evedentual truth in NS forums, I rp an alien speices that knows nothing about earth our the past of humanity, nor do they care. But if you debate Bush I put my foot down, Iraq is free and that is all that matters. So I would kindly ask that you don't bring your personal politics into a rp world, thank you.)

The murder of an individual is not an act of war and if you would start a war over such a ridiculus cause I would have to suspect you of truly being the threat.

What you don't seem to understand is that it is our job within the SRPA is to prevent any racial conflict, but if you begin a war we can not protect you, nor should we. I hate to say this but if you feel so strongly that we must protect you, then prehaps you should remove all Samtonians from your nation if you feel that their presense is such a threat to your nation.

It is our duty to try everything short of relocation to prevent conflict and if that means we station fleets within your sector then we are willing to do that. But you must know that your people will be contributing the majority of the force to protect you, it is not our duty to protect those not willing to defend themselves.

But we will not act unless you are certain there is no other way for you to avoid conflict on your own.

Draconis Federation Council

OOC: I support the troops, I support the war, I support the president, I do not support george bush and the damage he has done to americas foreign image, I will be joining the army if I can, my knee may prevent it, but I will try to join the army, I am not someone to be lectured about the iraq war, understand? I mentioned bush because he was an example of someone believing he was threatened by iraq(the whole WMD bs that people make such a big deal over) when they did not actually have the means to act against us in any concerted or truly damaging manner(bio-weapon attacks, nukes) I think it could have been handled better in the PR department, but I'm glad Saddam's gone, he was a bastard and should have been dead long ago. Bush is an example of a supposed threat being destroyed because it was believed to have capabilities that it did not, Iraq had no WMDs, which are really a non-issue, since we should have dealt with saddam long ago, but Bush thought they did and feared they would be used against us, so he attacked and destroyed the Iraqi army and government, history repeats itself, turn the page...

I can understand an alien species not knowing about human history without looking it up, but most human and non-human nations that I know recognise RL history in order to simplify references to historic events, instead of having to research the history of three hundred odd nations we can reference world history and add to it as necessary from events that have occured, instead of re-writing the whole worlds history we just add to it and treat it as having occured from, in most cases, 2003-04 onwards, in other cases they treat time as having splintered at X point and write in history from there on out.

IC:

The murder of a single citizen of my nation by a member of the armed forces of his nation under orders from their commander constitutes an act of war, since the soldier would have engaged in un-provoked hostilities against an individual in my nation, like if I was to attack your ships in a neutral area for no reason it would be an act of war on the part of my nation, not an act of piracy by rogue members of my citrizenry since it had been carried out under governmental orders.

Samtonia has effectively declared it open season on slivers with no limit, do you understand that colloquilism? It means that we all have a bounty on our heads, all 166 odd million slivers, now that sounds genocidal to me, how about you?
Sea Reapers
27-05-2005, 09:56
IC:

The murder of a single citizen of my nation by a member of the armed forces of his nation under orders from their commander constitutes an act of war, since the soldier would have engaged in un-provoked hostilities against an individual in my nation, like if I was to attack your ships in a neutral area for no reason it would be an act of war on the part of my nation, not an act of piracy by rogue members of my citrizenry since it had been carried out under governmental orders.

Samtonia has effectively declared it open season on slivers with no limit, do you understand that colloquilism? It means that we all have a bounty on our heads, all 166 odd million slivers, now that sounds genocidal to me, how about you?

"I know the feeling. I put up with something similar on a daily basis. But you do not respond with genocide of your own, as that is no better than they are. You should have just kept out of their way wherever possible, defeating any who come looking for you. Your attack only gives them reason to justify their original fears.

Do you know what the best thing for you to do now would be? Withdraw, negotiate, settle your differences peacefully. Unchecked aggression will serve only to agitate other nations into seeing you in a similar light. Peaceful solutions will serve to make people question their initial assumptions about you. At least you have an enemy with which such an act would be possible."

Queen Sappho of the Sea Reapers



"When a species needs wiping out, it needs wiping out. Can you blame them? Some species are vile... especially a certain species of ugly blue bastards! You hear that you salt-water wench?! She can hear me. I'll rip out her throat myself eventually..."

Lord Krat, Overlord of the Land Reapers



"I say, I like to throw things when it's sunny because it's much easier to see what you've thrown! Let's throw things!"

Lurgonishoff, random Smartie
Blood Moon Goblins
27-05-2005, 15:22
We must also point out that wiping out humans, even one nation of humans, is impractical.
If you declare that you will "wipe out all humans in nation X", nations Y, Z, A, B, and C-J will promptly declare war on you, forcing you to wipe them out as well. This gets expensive in bullets.
Draconis Federation
27-05-2005, 16:05
The murder of a single citizen of my nation by a member of the armed forces of his nation under orders from their commander constitutes an act of war, since the soldier would have engaged in un-provoked hostilities against an individual in my nation, like if I was to attack your ships in a neutral area for no reason it would be an act of war on the part of my nation, not an act of piracy by rogue members of my citrizenry since it had been carried out under governmental orders.

Samtonia has effectively declared it open season on slivers with no limit, do you understand that colloquilism? It means that we all have a bounty on our heads, all 166 odd million slivers, now that sounds genocidal to me, how about you?
(I only ecept such quotes in ooc form)

Yes but neither I or you could immediatly prove that this was an act of war without an investigation, and from the sounds of it, if you were to conduct an investiagtion in their territory, it would most likely be illegal and thus seen as an act of war. And if that were to happen you would have initated a war you can not win, and a war we can not help you win, but instead only help you survive through. The SRPA was created to help speicies to survive the consequence of a war between another speicies, not to win those wars for them.

Unless someone can prove me wrong, we the Draconis Federation are the only nation to commit an act xenocide, which makes us the only spiecies here to date that has the capability to determin where war ends and xenocide begins. Like I said the SRPA can not, will not help you win a war, we can only help your people to survive.

Draconis Federation Council
Mini Miehm
28-05-2005, 16:15
(I only ecept such quotes in ooc form)

Yes but neither I or you could immediatly prove that this was an act of war without an investigation, and from the sounds of it, if you were to conduct an investiagtion in their territory, it would most likely be illegal and thus seen as an act of war. And if that were to happen you would have initated a war you can not win, and a war we can not help you win, but instead only help you survive through. The SRPA was created to help speicies to survive the consequence of a war between another speicies, not to win those wars for them.

Unless someone can prove me wrong, we the Draconis Federation are the only nation to commit an act xenocide, which makes us the only spiecies here to date that has the capability to determin where war ends and xenocide begins. Like I said the SRPA can not, will not help you win a war, we can only help your people to survive.

Draconis Federation Council

What is Xenocide? I know of genocide, homicide, suicide, regicide, matricide, patricide, fratricide, you get the idea, but I've never heard of genocide.
Mini Miehm
28-05-2005, 16:28
We must also point out that wiping out humans, even one nation of humans, is impractical.
If you declare that you will "wipe out all humans in nation X", nations Y, Z, A, B, and C-J will promptly declare war on you, forcing you to wipe them out as well. This gets expensive in bullets.

OOC: only if you use bullets, remember BMG, my troops are all un-armed in the conventional sense. I actually made a zerg nation recently, not gonna use them against samtonia, but I've got them for some fun later on, I've got plans on making terrans and protoss eventually, but that comes later.

IC:

But nations k-w will either side with me or at least not actively support the enemy, the end result is the same, my troops die in large numbers, the enemy dies in smaller numbers, the proportions eventually favor me for victory, no human nation can match the birth rate of the slivers in the long run, and since there is a new sliver every six seconds or so we'll outnumber his combat forces in short order, no matter what his size.

If necessary we can get support from the Zerg, ansd maybe even the Tyranids, although neither are really appealing options, since the Zerg are evil and the Tyranids are, well, they're the Tyranids, you know what I mean?

We would be satisfied if samtonia was willing to lift the shoot on sight order, but he has shown no willingness to do so, we requested that he remove that order and he declined, citing questionable evidence that we would eat everything like a swarm of locusts and that we would eventually spread like a zerg colony, we're not zerg, we do not like the zerg, but they may be our only hope for survival.
Draconis Federation
13-06-2005, 17:53
What is Xenocide? I know of genocide, homicide, suicide, regicide, matricide, patricide, fratricide, you get the idea, but I've never heard of genocide.
You mean xenocide, it is the complete destruction of a species. In other words what happened to the Dodo, extinction.
Blood Moon Goblins
13-06-2005, 17:59
(OOC:
I should point out that the Kraven Corporation has taken advantage of the fact that my govornment has collapsed, and is planning to enslave my nation.
I cant say this ICly because I dont have a govornment to do it.
Any assistance would be welcome ^_^)
Dark Visions
13-06-2005, 21:42
From: Dzillya, Clan Lord of the Clan M'this'ti
To: All Members of SRPA

As stated in our previous communication, we are part of the Empire of Xeraph. The Emperor, Alaric Tan'it, has assured us that there will be no tolerance of attempts at xenocide or genocide of any nations associated with the Empire. The Empire consists of nine subject-nations, totalling over 10 billion in population, with alliances and ties to over 90 nations.
The Emperor wishes all to know that any member of SRPA who wishes can have the Xeraphian Empire support them in time of need.
Mini Miehm
14-06-2005, 00:14
(OOC:
I should point out that the Kraven Corporation has taken advantage of the fact that my govornment has collapsed, and is planning to enslave my nation.
I cant say this ICly because I dont have a govornment to do it.
Any assistance would be welcome ^_^)


Here come the cavalry, out to help our buddy BMG.

Give us a link, will ya please.
Blood Moon Goblins
14-06-2005, 00:28
(OOC:
Ill post a link once Kraven Corporation comes back)
Mini Miehm
14-06-2005, 00:37
(OOC:
Ill post a link once Kraven Corporation comes back)

OK, in comes the swarm, out come the bodies, in go the goblins, out come the explosives... wait, that's not right, is it?
Warhaven
14-06-2005, 08:58
yes, yes it is.
Xeraph
14-06-2005, 14:54
tag
Blood Moon Goblins
14-06-2005, 20:57
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9066680#post9066680
There ya go :)