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Nation Looking to update weapons

Luruar
14-05-2005, 02:14
I am the leader of the nation of Luruar a small nation with primative weapons.However we have noticed that many potenial enemies have far advanced. For this reason we would like to upgrade a portion of the Shining Host at first. We primarily use swords, battleaxes, war hammers, bows, crossbows, and horses so anything similar would be appreated so i dont have to retrain my troops to much
Theao
14-05-2005, 02:25
We would be able to produce and sell 'repeater' crossbows, which would have a vastly increased firing rate over that of a standard short, long or crossbow.
Luruar
14-05-2005, 02:37
Interesting. do you have any thing else you can supply?
Vastiva
14-05-2005, 02:38
Ab-shalom and greetings;

Our FNP90 Submachine gun is much alike a crossbow; the "clip" is toploading, the blowback is insignificant, and it's body extends mostly to the arm and shoulder, with a snub nose.

That it's rate of fire is 900 rpm and it can blow through most armor you would use (not to mention some walls) is part and parcel of the weapon itself.

We are forwarding ten demonstration models to your nation, along with one thousand rounds of ammunition and two representatives of our armed services to act as demonstrators and trainers.

Namaste,

Voyate Shumash ben Allen
Vizier of Commerce
Humble Servant of His Magnificence, the Sultan of Vastiva
Theao
14-05-2005, 02:40
We could also provide a modified motercycle that would be suitable to replace horses.
Luruar
14-05-2005, 02:51
I like the idea of motorcycles. However only a small portion of the Shining Host are Crossbow men. most of the troops use melee weapons of one type or another

Allister Moonbow
Lord Commander of the Shining Host
Luruar
14-05-2005, 02:54
Honorable nation of Vastiva
We apprecate the kind offer however as stated before most of my troops are melee. also we use mostly Metal Plate armor which also needs to updated
Calpe
14-05-2005, 02:55
We can provide grenades that work much like stones. You just pull a cord and throw them fast towards your enemies. They will explode killing or riping your enemies limbs quite nicely.
Theao
14-05-2005, 02:56
As the only real improvment to HTH/melee weapons would be in the nature of the metals used, to improve durability, cutting edge and weight, then their is little available that can be improved while using the same set of skills your men are trained in.
Luruar
14-05-2005, 02:59
We can provide grenades that work much like stones. .
How small are the grenades?

Allister Moonbow
Lord Commander of the Shining Host
Luruar
14-05-2005, 03:00
How would i deal with enemy Heavy machines? I'm open to FT as well
Allister Moonbow
Lord Commander of the Shining Host
Vastiva
14-05-2005, 03:01
Honorable nation of Vastiva
We apprecate the kind offer however as stated before most of my troops are melee. also we use mostly Metal Plate armor which also needs to updated

It would remain true, some of your troops are crossbowmen. Armed thusly, you would find battles far quicker.

As to your armor, we are able to provide titanium alloy plate, far more dense then simple steel yet much lighter. This will have to be fitted by our people to the individual - the metal is not that easy to work with - yet will provide superior protection for your men.

Namaste,

Voyate Shumash ben Allen
Vizier of Commerce
Humble Servant of His Magnificence, the Sultan of Vastiva
Theao
14-05-2005, 03:03
Ah, now that opens more options. There are mono-molecular blades, and micro-HE explosives. Should these interest you we can work something out.
Mondoth
14-05-2005, 03:06
we can provide lighter more protective armor, weapons similar to the cross bow that deal more damage and have higher rates of fire and we can provide metals tht are lighter and stronger than the metals you currently use for melee weapons. We do however ask what you have in return for these advances
The Vuhifellian States
14-05-2005, 03:07
May we interest you in our top of the line Foxtecha Corporation products, used exclusivly by the Foxtechan Elite Black Guard!

http://www.futuregamez.net/ps2games/dropship/dropship5.jpg

Codename: Korsa

This dropship features 2 under-wing mounted JACKEL Missiles and and nose mounted 52 calibur machine gun.

It can carry up to 20 tons of supplies in its cargo bay, 20 troops, two APC's or other light vehicles and one light tank.

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Or how about or MOLIGNAR Armor

http://www.silicon-fusion.com/games/Xbox/145/12.jpg

Able to withstand 5 high impact assault rifle bullets and 10 light pistol rounds, it can even withstand an explosion.

The MOLIGNAR Combat armor is equiped with but not included to

In helmet air filter
In helmet radio
In helmet X-Ray, Air Pressure, and Infrared sensores
Ability to use thermal, solar, or hydro energy to produce the electricity the suit needs
Temporary optical stealth
Ability to change color from normal Black to Arctic white, desert brown, marsh green, or forest mix

All other features have not been de-classified yet
Calpe
14-05-2005, 03:09
How small are the grenades?

Allister Moonbow
Lord Commander of the Shining Host

Its weight is 300 grams and contains 140 grams of TNT. Its small enough to be carried in larger numbers by troops and you can equip your strongest soldiers with them so they can throw them farther.
Luruar
14-05-2005, 03:09
Honored Nation of Vastiva
What would be the price be for 1000 guns and the plates?

Allister Moonbow
Lord Commander of the Shining Host
Luruar
14-05-2005, 03:11
Honored Nation of Calpe
That would be sufficent. they are small enough to be used with slings how much for them?

Allister Moonbow
Lord Commander of the Shining Host
Luruar
14-05-2005, 03:14
we can provide lighter more protective armor, weapons similar to the cross bow that deal more damage and have higher rates of fire and we can provide metals tht are lighter and stronger than the metals you currently use for melee weapons. We do however ask what you have in return for these advances
I can pay with money as well as loan you the service of my battle mages
Luruar
14-05-2005, 03:15
Ah, now that opens more options. There are mono-molecular blades, and micro-HE explosives. Should these interest you we can work something out.
sounds good. Tell me more
Calpe
14-05-2005, 03:15
The price for one grenade is 10$ or equivalent in gold or silver, whatever suits you.
Luruar
14-05-2005, 03:17
May we interest you in our top of the line Foxtecha Corporation products, used exclusivly by the Foxtechan Elite Black Guard!

http://www.futuregamez.net/ps2games/dropship/dropship5.jpg

Codename: Korsa

This dropship features 2 under-wing mounted JACKEL Missiles and and nose mounted 52 calibur machine gun.

It can carry up to 20 tons of supplies in its cargo bay, 20 troops, two APC's or other light vehicles and one light tank.

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Or how about or MOLIGNAR Armor

http://www.silicon-fusion.com/games/Xbox/145/12.jpg

Able to withstand 5 high impact assault rifle bullets and 10 light pistol rounds, it can even withstand an explosion.

The MOLIGNAR Combat armor is equiped with but not included to

In helmet air filter
In helmet radio
In helmet X-Ray, Air Pressure, and Infrared sensores
Ability to use thermal, solar, or hydro energy to produce the electricity the suit needs
Temporary optical stealth
Ability to change color from normal Black to Arctic white, desert brown, marsh green, or forest mix

All other features have not been de-classified yet

That would involve much retraining which is not really an option

Allister Moonbow
Lord Commander of the Shining Host
Vastiva
14-05-2005, 03:19
Honored Nation of Vastiva
What would be the price be for 1000 guns and the plates?

Allister Moonbow
Lord Commander of the Shining Host

We would require a site in your country to do the actual armory work, and would ask for the right to additional metalwork in your nation for trade purposes.

A single suit of plated titanium would run at approximately 6,000 USD, without ornamentation and with an undersuit of impact padding. If you allowed us to mine and process the titanium in country, we could reduce this cost to 4,000 USD per suit.

We can bulk ship one thousand FNP90 SMGs at 4,000 USD per weapon, which will include two clips and one thousand rounds of standard ammunition per weapon.

We would add, if it would be appreciated, we could add a gunsmithy to the armory, which would allow for rapid repair of weapons, and readily available ammunition in quantity. Again, if we could mine for iron, bronze, and tin - or have shipments available - the shells could be made available at a discounted rate.

We await your response.

Namaste,

Voyate Shumash ben Allen
Vizier of Commerce
Humble Servant of His Magnificence, the Sultan of Vastiva

OOC: A Page about the P90 SMG (http://world.guns.ru/smg/smg13-e.htm)
Theao
14-05-2005, 03:19
The micro-HE rounds would be used to replace conventional arrow/bolt head. They would depending on type be capable of serving as an anti-infantry or anti-armour round.
The monomolecular blades would be able to cut throught most if not all materials that it would come up against as it utilizes a blade a single molocule thick, enabling it to slid between the molocules of the targeted substance.
Luruar
14-05-2005, 03:20
The price for one grenade is 10$ or equivalent in gold or silver, whatever suits you.
I take 10000 grenades


Allister Moonbow
Lord Commander of the Shining Host
Vastiva
14-05-2005, 03:23
I take 10000 grenades


Allister Moonbow
Lord Commander of the Shining Host

Ah... Vastiva gives you fair warning, the explosive power of one of those grenades would have a significant blast radius - well into the reach of fifty meters across. A single mistake could easily destroy your entire army, explosion by explosion.
Calpe
14-05-2005, 03:24
I take 10000 grenades


Allister Moonbow
Lord Commander of the Shining Host

10,000 grenades will be sent to your country, accompanied by 2 instructors to show your troops how to handle them. It was a pleasure doing business with you.
Luruar
14-05-2005, 03:29
We would require a site in your country to do the actual armory work, and would ask for the right to additional metalwork in your nation for trade purposes.

A single suit of plated titanium would run at approximately 6,000 USD, without ornamentation and with an undersuit of impact padding. If you allowed us to mine and process the titanium in country, we could reduce this cost to 4,000 USD per suit.



We await your response.

Namaste,

Voyate Shumash ben Allen
Vizier of Commerce
Humble Servant of His Magnificence, the Sultan of Vastiva



We would allow you to set up shop in Mithral Hall which has much in the way of smithys. If my own workers assist would you drop the price more. I need at least 3000 suits and the dwarves of Mithral Hall are skilled armorers


Allister Moonbow
Lord Commander of the Shining Host
Luruar
14-05-2005, 03:31
The micro-HE rounds would be used to replace conventional arrow/bolt head. They would depending on type be capable of serving as an anti-infantry or anti-armour round.
The monomolecular blades would be able to cut throught most if not all materials that it would come up against as it utilizes a blade a single molocule thick, enabling it to slid between the molocules of the targeted substance.

I am interested. What about armor and seige weapons?


Allister Moonbow
Lord Commander of the Shining Host
Luruar
14-05-2005, 03:32
Ah... Vastiva gives you fair warning, the explosive power of one of those grenades would have a significant blast radius - well into the reach of fifty meters across. A single mistake could easily destroy your entire army, explosion by explosion.

Thank you for the warning


Allister Moonbow
Lord Commander of the Shining Host
Theao
14-05-2005, 03:35
If you use ballistae or ballistas then we could aid you in terms of seige weapons.
As to armour we could provide either a form of ballistic armour, useful for countering firearms, or a metal based armour that would be most useful up close and personal.
Vastiva
14-05-2005, 03:35
We would allow you to set up shop in Mithral Hall which has much in the way of smithys. If my own workers assist would you drop the price more. I need at least 3000 suits and the dwarves of Mithral Hall are skilled armorers

Allister Moonbow
Lord Commander of the Shining Host

We accept, with the proviso of a payment of five hundred thousand USD for teaching your people these skills in metalwork, and a firm lease to trade in metalwork on equal terms in your nation for fifty years.

Once training is accomplished - approximately two years time, if you wish training from mining to production - the cost of the armor would be halved, given domestic supplies and native workers, to a mere 3,000 USD per suit.
Luruar
14-05-2005, 03:45
If you use ballistae or ballistas then we could aid you in terms of seige weapons.
As to armour we could provide either a form of ballistic armour, useful for countering firearms, or a metal based armour that would be most useful up close and personal.
We use Ballistae as well as Catapults so that would be apprecated and are there armor thats good for both situations?
Luruar
14-05-2005, 03:49
We accept, with the proviso of a payment of five hundred thousand USD for teaching your people these skills in metalwork, and a firm lease to trade in metalwork on equal terms in your nation for fifty years.

Once training is accomplished - approximately two years time, if you wish training from mining to production - the cost of the armor would be halved, given domestic supplies and native workers, to a mere 3,000 USD per suit.


I will teach you how to use magic to make your armor stronger and trade in the metal Mithral instead of the 500,000 USD
Theao
14-05-2005, 03:51
An armour that would serve both roles may infact weight more than the armour you are presently using, thought it would provide far and away more protection.
As to the Ballistae and Catapults, for the Ballistae it would be using a similar method to that of the arrows/bolts thought on a larger scale. For the Catapults it would use a HE ball similar in size to the stones presently used but with a exponetial increase in destructive power.
Vastiva
14-05-2005, 03:51
Apologies, we cannot use magic. We would, however, trade for bulk metals.
Mondoth
14-05-2005, 03:55
We will accept money but your mages are not necesary

For Armor we offer a kevlar base that is light and flexible, usefull against firearms and melee weapons. the suits have pockets for ceramic inserts that provide added protection against all threats.

for range weapons we offer the G-11A2, it fires the 6mm caseless round from a top mounted magazine of 45 rounds, the ammunition is very light and because of the unique construction of the weapon recoil is reduced to just above that of the crossbows you use now.

for melee weapons we offer weapons made of a steel/titanium alloy with a tungsten coat that provides very strong weapons that are also ver light and maintain an edge exceptionally well.
Jibea
14-05-2005, 03:56
Weapons it all depends on how far you want to advance. Armor depends on the type of weapons you would be expecting to fight.

For example the steel you are using is fine if you are facing swordwielders, chain mail for arrows and bolts (still steel), plate for swords and you cant do anything against catapaults.

While you may be looking at titanium, it is just as strong as steel but 40% lighter.

If you are expecting to see guns from 1400s-present then keflar (may be spelt wrong) or zylon (much superior) should be used. Plate can substitute but is heavy and hampers your ability to move.

If your enemy for some reason can only see infrared then I suggest Germanium, it has a density slightly lower then steel.

Finally if your enemy has weapons that steel and/or zylon can not stop then I suggest the most dense substance, Iridium, preferrably Iridium 191 or 193 since they are stable but since the other half lives are short they shouldnt cause too many complications.

For weapons we have:
one and a half hand sword (depends how you wish to wield)
Great Sword
Scimitar
Muskets (pistols/rifles)
Springfields
Cannons
Napalm
Browning Automatic Rifle
Thompson
Xm-29
Land Warrior
Some Pistols (Bolt and Semi)
SMGs
Claymore (Both the sword and mine)
Bouncing Betties
Shoebox mines
Grenades
Certain Tanks
Certain Aircraft
Certain Shiops

*When I say certain that means I am to lazy finish posting and trying to remember names
Luruar
14-05-2005, 04:05
Apologies, we cannot use magic. We would, however, trade for bulk metals.
We can see if any of your people can be trained. if not we'll loan you our mages for the length of the trade contract
Luruar
14-05-2005, 04:08
we might also be able to make an alloy using Mithril

Allister Moonbow
Lord Commander of the Shining Host
Luruar
14-05-2005, 04:11
what if i need to move and fight over a long distance? can you make any sugestions?

Allister Moonbow
Lord Commander of the Shining Host
Theao
14-05-2005, 04:18
For ground transport we could provide a vehicle that could be driven in much the same way as horse drawn cart, with a increase in speed, cargo capacity and range.
For sea transport we could provide a vehicle that could be driven in much the same way as galleon, with a increase in speed, cargo capacity and range.
Gelfland
14-05-2005, 04:23
a few questions, what styles of sword, bow, and axe are currently employed?
and have you considered any potential military applications for unicorns?
for exampe: our native cabbits are very good at transporting messages quickly.

in any case, we could possibly provide more advanced materials technology. Mithriluranoferrocarbide monocrystals make good arrowheads, for example.
Vastiva
14-05-2005, 04:27
We can see if any of your people can be trained. if not we'll loan you our mages for the length of the trade contract

Again, apologies, but magic is not our way.

We will trade for bulk purified metals, and assist in the creation of titanium alloys with your people - in as much as we can - in return for the contract as stated.
Luruar
14-05-2005, 05:04
For ground transport we could provide a vehicle that could be driven in much the same way as horse drawn cart, with a increase in speed, cargo capacity and range.
For sea transport we could provide a vehicle that could be driven in much the same way as galleon, with a increase in speed, cargo capacity and range.
That would be good. also i'm interested in maybe starting to train and retrain some of my troops over a gradual time period
Luruar
14-05-2005, 05:07
a few questions, what styles of sword, bow, and axe are currently employed?
and have you considered any potential military applications for unicorns?

all types of swords are used, bows are primarly elven Longbow and axes are mostly drawven battle axes
Theao
14-05-2005, 05:31
We noticed you have practioners of the arcane arts, should you permit us to borrow a few we may be able to test out some information we have on the subject of a few magickal theories that we have but have never been able test out. If they pan out it would aid you for you could manufacture the goods as you would normally and have the end product come out how we would have made it.
Kiesn
14-05-2005, 05:41
Can I intrest you inhand woven baskets full of Uranium? :sniper:
Roycelandia
14-05-2005, 08:34
The Imperial Roycelandian Government is pleased to be able to offer what might be the perfect solution to your armaments needs... the Mk III Short Magazine Lee-Enfield Rifle.

The SMLE also comes with a Pattern '07 bayonet, which in itself is 18" long. Attached to the rifle, it comes in at nearly 5ft 8" long, and can be used as a spear when the rifle is out of ammunition.

The SMLE is a bolt-action .303 rifle with a 10-shot magazine and a 2000 yard range.

It handles much the same as a crossbow- point at your target and pull the trigger.

We'd be pleased to provide an unlimited quantity of them at $100 a piece, complete with bayonet. Ammunition can be negotiated separately, but at this stage you're looking at $10 for 100,000 rounds of .303 FMJ ammunition.
Luruar
14-05-2005, 17:44
We noticed you have practioners of the arcane arts, should you permit us to borrow a few we may be able to test out some information we have on the subject of a few magickal theories that we have but have never been able test out. If they pan out it would aid you for you could manufacture the goods as you would normally and have the end product come out how we would have made it.

Agreed. Lets set up some embassies and hammer out the details

"For the good of all goody folk"
High Counciler of Luraur
Theao
14-05-2005, 18:02
That would be acceptable.
Luruar
14-05-2005, 18:04
What size will your delegation be and what facilaties will they require? if you do not wish to send troops they will be protected by members of the Shining host and Silverymoon's Spellguard
Theao
14-05-2005, 18:15
As to the number of diplomatic staff, that is to be decided by the DiploCorp, thougth most likely the staff will be about twenty seven personnel. As to the size of the guard that is based on the number of diplomatic staff, and will most likely be about thirteen to eighteen guards.
Luruar
15-05-2005, 01:15
How would you like to be allys?


"For the good of all goody folk"
High Counciler of Luraur
Taern "Thunderspell" Hornblade
Theao
15-05-2005, 01:41
We would be willing to form an economic allience thought not a military allience. It is nothing personal, simply policy.

ooc: it should be either:
How would you like to be an ally
How would you like to be allies
Luruar
15-05-2005, 01:46
Agreed. What whould it cost to outfit 100000 of my troops with your science?


Allister Moonbow
Lord Commander of the Shining Host

ooc: thanks
Theao
15-05-2005, 01:52
What would be the percentage of each branch of soldier, ie axemen, swordsmen, bowmen ect..
Luruar
15-05-2005, 01:58
Up the number to 200000 with 20000 bowmen, 20000 crossbowmen , about 60000 axemen, maybe 5000 warhammers , and the rest swords men of one type or other.

Allister Moonbow
Lord Commander of the Shining Host
Theao
15-05-2005, 02:04
The total for all requested weapons would be 16,000,000$.
Luruar
15-05-2005, 02:06
Deal Struck. we'll wire the money when we receive the shipment


"For the good of all goody folk"
High Counciler of Luraur
Taern "Thunderspell" Hornblade
Luruar
15-05-2005, 02:07
I'm thinking of training and retraining some of my troops to use advanced science over a gradual period. can you assist with that?

Allister Moonbow
Lord Commander of the Shining Host
Theao
15-05-2005, 02:08
Weapons shall be shipped immediatly.
Luruar
15-05-2005, 02:09
appreciated. about my other request can you assist?


Allister Moonbow
Lord Commander of the Shining Host
Theao
15-05-2005, 02:11
What areas are you thinking of advancing in, as the normal progression from warrior style, yours, to early soldier would be for your axe, warhammer, and swordsmen to become pikemen/haliberdiar while your cross/bowmen would become riflemen.
Luruar
15-05-2005, 03:20
I was thinking Heavy Armor as well as advanced guns and maybe aircraft combined with the nanomolecular blades I already purchased

Allister Moonbow
Lord Commander of the Shining Host
Theao
15-05-2005, 03:27
We may be able to help you in that reguard.

ooc: its monomolecular, not nanomolecular.
Luruar
15-05-2005, 03:29
Any help would be readly accepted both in training and supply.

Allister Moonbow
Lord Commander of the Shining Host


occ: oops sorry thanks
Theao
15-05-2005, 03:36
In terms of the armour and firearms, those it should be fairly easy as they are simply advanced terms of skills some of your men already have. Aircraft, that would be nearly impossible to do as your people have no basis in avivation, as well as the required maintanence.
Luruar
15-05-2005, 03:37
When i said Heavy Armor i meant vehicles

Allister Moonbow
Lord Commander of the Shining Host
Theao
15-05-2005, 03:41
Even with armour(vehicles) it would be a moderately simple matter of retraining, not counting maintence.
Luruar
15-05-2005, 03:44
What can you supply?

Allister Moonbow
Lord Commander of the Shining Host
Theao
15-05-2005, 03:48
Are you looking for heavy vehicles, rapid attack or armoured transports?
Luruar
15-05-2005, 03:50
all three. and maybe aircraft i'm thinking a fade in period of 10 NS which should be enough time to train my men

Allister Moonbow
Lord Commander of the Shining Host
Theao
15-05-2005, 03:56
To get your men to the level of mechanical skill to preform repairs and maintenance, we would probably need to 'steal' some of the better citizens to run throught the necessary programs.
Luruar
15-05-2005, 03:58
I made a point of giving the officers the best education I can.

Allister Moonbow
Lord Commander of the Shining Host
Theao
15-05-2005, 04:00
Basically take them out of Luruar, bring them to Theao and run them throught a number of programs, time it would take would depend on abilities and natural talents.
Luruar
15-05-2005, 04:16
sounds good. what can you offer us then?

Allister Moonbow
Lord Commander of the Shining Host
Luruar
15-05-2005, 04:19
if you wish we can take some of your people here and train them in the Art in exchange.


"For the good of all goody folk"
High Counciler of Luraur
Taern "Thunderspell" Hornblade
Theao
15-05-2005, 04:46
Unfortunatly while we have a great deal of knowladge of the arcane arts we are unable to use them. Before we decide what to offer we need to run the applicants thought testing to see where they would best fit, it wouldn't do to sell you a M1 when your people where better suited for a K4.
Gelfland
15-05-2005, 09:35
The nation of gelfland would be willing to export our MMI technology, this could potentialy speed the process of training greatly, and increase the useful combat life of your warriors.
{provided Robotic limbs are not a problem.}
Luruar
15-05-2005, 17:27
The nation of gelfland would be willing to export our MMI technology, this could potentialy speed the process of training greatly, and increase the useful combat life of your warriors.
{provided Robotic limbs are not a problem.}

What is MMI technology?

Allister Moonbow
Lord Commander of the Shining Host
Luruar
15-05-2005, 17:54
Unfortunatly while we have a great deal of knowladge of the arcane arts we are unable to use them. Before we decide what to offer we need to run the applicants thought testing to see where they would best fit, it wouldn't do to sell you a M1 when your people where better suited for a K4.
What will the testing require?

Allister Moonbow
Lord Commander of the Shining Host
Theao
15-05-2005, 17:57
Basically a written test as well as a recognition and spacital orientation test. Send us the canditates who've volenteered/been volentold and we will return those who fail to meet the criteria.
Luruar
15-05-2005, 18:28
any paticular race?

Allister Moonbow
Lord Commander of the Shining Host
Theao
15-05-2005, 18:30
Any race.
Luruar
15-05-2005, 18:35
We shall send the volenteers for the training. I will also send my embassy as well as a dozen battle mages to assist your forces and study your knowledge of the Art.

"For the good of all goody folk"
High Counciler of Luraur
Taern "Thunderspell" Hornblade
&
Allister Moonbow
Lord Commander of the Shining Host
Theao
15-05-2005, 19:02
That is acceptable.
Luruar
16-05-2005, 04:32
when will the testing be compleated and you can tell me what you can supply?


Allister Moonbow
Lord Commander of the Shining Host
Theao
16-05-2005, 04:44
ooc: how many testees were sent?
Luruar
16-05-2005, 05:09
ooc: if it involves training them to use the equipment as well as matain them then about 200,000 troops as well as an embassy detail of about 200
Theao
16-05-2005, 05:13
ooc: I meant how many were sent to take the tests, from that number I can figure out how many would pass and be deemed capable to be put throught the training. Of the men who pass about 1 in 4 will actually be put throught vehicle operation training while the other 3 of 4 would go throught maintence training.
Gelfland
16-05-2005, 08:42
What is MMI technology?

Allister Moonbow
Lord Commander of the Shining Host
Mnd/Machine Interface, a system in which the controls of a machine are wired into the nervous system of the operator.
the term covers a variety of systems, from simple bioelectric pickups used to reduce unwanted movement in handheld equipment, to complete-replacement shells allowing operation of highly complex machinery.
Vastiva
16-05-2005, 09:04
OOC: Methinks you first need to define what tech level you are interested in playing at - as this has run the gamut.
Luruar
16-05-2005, 18:27
ooc: I meant how many were sent to take the tests, from that number I can figure out how many would pass and be deemed capable to be put throught the training. Of the men who pass about 1 in 4 will actually be put throught vehicle operation training while the other 3 of 4 would go throught maintence training.
occ: about 300. 100 each dwarves, elves, and humans
Theao
16-05-2005, 18:38
Of the tested candidates only 48 pass the requirments to be put throught either vehicle combat training or vehicle maintence. With those numbers the most vehicles that could be practically crewed would be 4. If you wish you could send more candidates to testing.
Gelfland
16-05-2005, 19:18
OOC: Methinks you first need to define what tech level you are interested in playing at - as this has run the gamut.
{not quite}

oh, by the way, this week we are having a sale on twelve-foot poles. they are 20% longer than our competitors product, and can be adapted just as readily for almost any task. $15 this week only.
{ok, now we have every tech level covered}
Luruar
17-05-2005, 00:30
Of the tested candidates only 48 pass the requirments to be put throught either vehicle combat training or vehicle maintence. With those numbers the most vehicles that could be practically crewed would be 4. If you wish you could send more candidates to testing.
How long does the testing take for another 300?
Theao
17-05-2005, 00:33
Of the next batch of testees 51 passed with a suitable grade.
Luruar
17-05-2005, 00:36
occ: every ns week i'll send another 600. 200 each dwarves, elves, and hummans
Theao
17-05-2005, 00:40
ooc: why not send a large batch to be tested all at once, or have us come there and administer testing.
Luruar
17-05-2005, 00:43
ooc:That works you come here and do the testing
Theao
17-05-2005, 01:07
ooc: How many people will be taking the test total?
Luruar
17-05-2005, 01:17
occ:My entire military which is about .5 million people again a combo of elves dwarves ans humans
Theao
17-05-2005, 01:23
Of the testees 21500 passed total with 5375 suitable for the combat arms branches and the remaining 16125 suitable for the logistics branches.
Luruar
17-05-2005, 01:26
What can you supply equipment wise. also i would like you to test the new recruits ever year.



Allister Moonbow
Lord Commander of the Shining Host
Theao
17-05-2005, 01:39
Do you want your forces primarily in light/rapid vehicles, MBT's or APCs? Or what percentage in each vehicle type?
Luruar
17-05-2005, 01:48
I would like the motorcycles you mentioned for the calvary as some MBTs and a few APCs

Allister Moonbow
Lord Commander of the Shining Host
Theao
17-05-2005, 01:51
Could you provide percentages for each section?
Luruar
17-05-2005, 01:58
ooc:roughly 60% calv, 3~4 APC, and rest MBT or light/rapid vehicles
Theao
17-05-2005, 02:25
We will gear the training to the set up you requested. The troops should be trained in anywhere from a year to four years depending on course difficulty.
Luruar
19-05-2005, 04:43
what kind of equipment can you send us? also send me a copy of the training program.


Allister Moonbow
Lord Commander of the Shining Host
Theao
19-05-2005, 04:59
As to the training program, those who have been slated to the logistic programs shall be taught what they need to know to keep the vehicles functioning and in good working order. Those in the field programs shall be divided into the three branches with those slated to the APC course taught to drive, those in the MBT course will be either taught tank command functions, radio protocols, driving skills or gunnery skills, those in the Cav program will be taught driving and Cav combat skills.
As to vehicles there shall be Raider combat motorcycles, MK9 MBTs and 747 APCs.
Luruar
19-05-2005, 23:23
What about air and long lange infantry support?


Allister Moonbow
Lord Commander of the Shining Host
Theao
19-05-2005, 23:37
The MK9 MBT has weaponry that would aid in the service of LR weapons or AA weapons, depending on model, MK9-A is equipped with a 105 mortar, while the MK9-B is equipped with a co-axiel anti-aircraft gun.
Luruar
19-05-2005, 23:57
I meant aircraft.


Allister Moonbow
Lord Commander of the Shining Host
Theao
20-05-2005, 00:00
Ah, unfortunatly your people do not have the necessary cultural background to be able to master aircraft and aviation at this time.
Gelfland
20-05-2005, 00:58
You may also wish to consider upgrading your seige engines. we would be willing to assist you in developing a system, we have a 280 MM feild cannon that would make an exellent replacement for trebuchets. if you are not ready to commit to such a radical change at this time, some of the technology can also be applied to your existing weaponry, like range computing devices and explosive projectiles, (TG me if you are interested in unconventional munitions.)
Luruar
20-05-2005, 04:28
Ah, unfortunatly your people do not have the necessary cultural background to be able to master aircraft and aviation at this time.
The People have no trouble inbracing the sky give them a try.


Allister Moonbow
Lord Commander of the Shining Host
Theao
20-05-2005, 04:32
Our reasoning for our beliefs are that less than twenty of the testees that would be qualified for the aviation logistics course and only three would be qualified for the aircraft/helicopter piloting/navigation/gunnery courses.
Xandir
20-05-2005, 04:55
we can supply a weapon to create Earthquakes, a new rifle called the XM8, and our new armor featherlight
Luruar
20-05-2005, 19:37
we can supply a weapon to create Earthquakes, a new rifle called the XM8, and our new armor featherlight
Earthquakes are something we can create on our own. however the armor sounds good.


"For the good of all goody folk"
High Counciler of Luraur
Taern "Thunderspell" Hornblade
Luruar
20-05-2005, 19:38
Theao
keep testing all my citizens until you can get enough for a air program.


Allister Moonbow
Lord Commander of the Shining Host
Theao
20-05-2005, 19:40
So you are giving me permission to test your civilian population?
Luruar
20-05-2005, 19:46
yes. they wont be required to join but will be incouraged to.

"For the good of all goody folk"
High Counciler of Luraur
Taern "Thunderspell" Hornblade
&
Allister Moonbow
Lord Commander of the Shining Host
Theao
20-05-2005, 19:51
We shall begin testing, thougth it may take a while till sufficiant results are found.
Luruar
20-05-2005, 19:57
Thank you
Theao
20-05-2005, 20:06
The testers set up a variety of testing equipment in the cities and towns, many of the tests geared to lure those of about the age of 16-20 into taking them.

ooc: please provide numbers of test takers amongst the civies.
Luruar
20-05-2005, 20:22
ooc: about 7.2 Mil and elves and dwarves have much longer life spans then humans
Theao
20-05-2005, 20:35
A few months later,
Of those who have taken the tests, a total of 500 people passed the tests with sufficiant marks for combat testing, while a total of 5000 passed with sufficiant marks for aircraft logistics.

ooc: perportional age
Luruar
21-05-2005, 02:33
Thank you. what can you supply?

Allister Moonbow
Lord Commander of the Shining Host
Theao
21-05-2005, 02:34
Are you looking for bombers, interceptors, fighter/bombers, transport planes, transport choppers or combat choppers?
Luruar
21-05-2005, 02:53
all of the above. i want a full air force
Theao
21-05-2005, 02:54
Are you interested in a force equally composed of each element or are there areas you wish to focus on?
Luruar
21-05-2005, 18:57
equal
Carops
21-05-2005, 19:06
The Empire of Carops would be interested in imparting some of our teleportation technology unto your people. Think of it as magic, perhaps bestowed by the gods, whatever gods you believe in. We possess the equipment to train your men in this respect and should you not wish to use such weapons as machine guns ands tanks, teleportation will provide you with an ablity to retreat from your enemy.
Luruar
21-05-2005, 19:08
how many can be teleported at once?


Allister Moonbow
Lord Commander of the Shining Host
Theao
21-05-2005, 19:11
We shall provide bomber(Nighthawk), interceptors(Tomcat), fighter/bombers(Fighting Falcon), transport planes(Boeing), transport choppers(Chinook)and combat choppers(Hellcat)
Luruar
21-05-2005, 19:20
can you provide Superhornets and Raptors instead of Tomcats and Fighting falcons?
Theao
21-05-2005, 19:26
Our interceptors(Tomcat), fighter/bombers(Fighting Falcon) are not the ones used by the USAirforce, and are comparable to the Superhornet and Raptor used by the USAirforce.
Luruar
21-05-2005, 19:32
oh. ok
Theao
21-05-2005, 19:36
ooc: The reason is I like the names, whenever I use them I make sure to inform the people I use them with of the differences. Also my FF is MKR-12 Fighting Falcon while the US model is the F-16 Fighting Falcon, Tomcat is MKY-9 Tomcat while the US model is the F-14A Tomcat.
Crazy-ones
21-05-2005, 19:47
We have recently begun production of a series of brand new fighters and bombers which uses stealth technology if anyone is interested. This is alongside a new class of airborne aircraft carriers of immense size, which are capable of carrying at least a hundred strike fighters and heavy lift vtol aircraft.
Luruar
22-05-2005, 00:20
ooc: The reason is I like the names, whenever I use them I make sure to inform the people I use them with of the differences. Also my FF is MKR-12 Fighting Falcon while the US model is the F-16 Fighting Falcon, Tomcat is MKY-9 Tomcat while the US model is the F-14A Tomcat.
what kind of capabliaties does it have?
Theao
22-05-2005, 00:22
Capabilities of which aircraft?
Luruar
22-05-2005, 00:25
The falcons, tom cats, Hell cats and nighthawks
Theao
22-05-2005, 00:44
Tomcat:
Crew: pilot
Length: 50 ft 6 in (15.37 m)
Wingspan: 35 ft 0 in (10.65 m)
Height: 17 ft 4 in (5.28 m)
Wing area: 459.6 ft² (42.7 m²)
Empty: 26,455 lb (12,000 kg)
Loaded: 41,900 lb (19,000 kg)
Maximum takeoff: 50,000 lb (22,680 kg)
Maximum speed: km/h ( mph) Mach 1.8
Range: 620 miles (1000 km) without drop tanks
Service ceiling: 48,000 ft (15,000 m)
Rate of climb: m/min ( ft/min)
Wing loading: 91.4 lb/ft² (446 kg/m²)
Thrust/weight: 6.2 N/kg
1x GAU-12/U 25 mm cannon (internal with 180 rounds in F-35A, as an external pod with 220 rounds in F-35B/C)
4 AAMs with a mix of AIM-9X, AIM-132 ASRAAM and AIM-120 AMRAAM

Fighting Falcon
Crew: pilot
Length: 43 ft 4 in
Wingspan: 26ft 11 in
Height: 14 ft 5 in
Wing area: 413 ft²
Weights:
Empty: 12,100 lb
Loaded: 18,700 lb
Thrust: 20,000 lbf
Performance
Maximum speed: 1,195 mph (1.8 Mach)
Range: 530 miles
Service ceiling: 50,000 ft
Thrust/Weight: 1.04
Armament
Guns: 1x 23 mm GSh-23 cannon
Other: seven external stations

Nighthawk
Crew: 1
Length: 65 ft 11 in (20.08 m)
Wingspan: 43 ft 4 in (13.20 m)
Height: 12 ft 5 in (3.78 m)
Wing area: 780 ft² (73 m²)
Empty: 29,500 lb (13,380 kg)
Loaded: 52,500 lb (23,814 kg)
Maximum speed: mach 1
Range: 800 nautical miles (1,500 km)
Service ceiling: 10 km
Armament
2x internal weapons bays with one hardpoint each (total of 2 weapons) including:
Bombs: BLU-109 hardened penetrator, GBU-10 Paveway II laser-guided, GBU-27 laser-guided
Missiles: AGM-65 Maverick air-to-surface, AGM-88 HARM air-to-surface

Hellcat
Role Helicopter
Crew 2
Dimensions
Length: 13.33 m
Main rotor diameter: 12.80 m
Height: 3.67 m
Main rotor area: 129 m&sup2
Mass (empty): 3,291 kg
Mass (Maximum takeoff:) 5,330 kg
Maximum speed: 256 km/h
Range: 1,045 km
Rate of climb: 606 m/min
Armament
M134 7.62-mm minigun and M129 40-mm grenade launcher mounted in an Emerson M28 nose turret. Twin M134s or twin M192s could also be fitted in the turret.
7.62-mm gun pods and 2.75-in rocket pods mounted on the stub wings
Luruar
22-05-2005, 17:50
impressive. i buy some for my Air Force
Theao
22-05-2005, 17:54
How many of each do you wish to buy?
Luruar
22-05-2005, 18:13
you set the porpotions for a well rounded force
Theao
22-05-2005, 18:22
Bombers: 50
Interceptors: 75
Fighter/Bombers: 125
Transport Planes: 25
Transport Choppers: 25
Combat Choppers: 75
Total cost: 10.5 Billion for total aircraft
Luruar
22-05-2005, 22:08
Deal. I'll wire the money when you send me the equipment