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My slivers are at a major disadvantage against any well armed opponent and I wish to acquire a weapon of some description that they could use to offset this disadvantage, preferably an energy weapon of some description since ammo would be a problem, if a belt-fed weapon could be developed it would also be adequate, although the belt-fed would be more cumbersome and have to be a heavier weapon than the energy model.

ooc: looking for MT, or FT?

ooc: looking for MT, or FT?

Either or works, probably FT though.

We may be able to provide suitable weaponary thought we would need information on Slivers, mainly height, strength, width, 'manual dexterity' as well as anyother information you think may help.

Selling weapons to these imperialist worms would be...negativly regarded by King Krark of the Blood Moon.
Recently this nation of Slivers has taken a hostile stance toward the nation of Samtonia, apparently because Samtonia publicaly stated that it considered Slivers a threat. In the interval, this nation has dispatched over one million troops to Samtonia.
Seems like a cheap excuse to grab some land.
BMG will do its best to intercept and destroy/capture these shipments.
We are moderatly sure that Samtonia will be backing this action.

We may be able to provide suitable weaponary thought we would need information on Slivers, mainly height, strength, width, 'manual dexterity' as well as anyother information you think may help.

Manual dexterity is the main issue, they have no hands so most weapons pose a problem for my troops. A basic shock-trooper, my muscle slivers, have a single arm and a three fingered hand with limited manipulative ability are nearly six feet tall, strong enough and heavy enough to handle just about anything you can give them with a reasonable degree of portability.

OOC: Well technically I have this dualiscity (word?) to Leafanistan, one as a fledging empire that still uses archaic weapons like the Sci-Fi stories I write. Though I tend to stick to the "Post-modern" or if the US has its way, "Modern" period of weapons. Energy weapons are difficult but I have come up with some concepts utilizing a "Quantum Induction Coil". The priciple behind it is that neutrinos striking atomic nuclei release enough muons to get this to rotate. Being of a construction of superconductor the flow of electrons will be extremly fast and will produce a large amount of power for a small device and could power it. Now with this in hand I can create powerful and long lasting batteries (requires an atomically dense solution to run in, Liquid Air, etc.) Microwaves are very friendly in this respect since they can heat things up creating powerful and deadly weapons, and if you lower the frequency below that of the natural freq of water you can severly damage microchips. So with that I offer you a microwave rifle.

The MWMX-05 is Leafanistan's offer on the table of FT weapons. Using two quantum induction coils (25 mm) this produces a magnificent amount of power. Enough to power the microwave generators on the front. Using electromagnetic field projectors a beam can be focused and kept going for up to 2 full minutes before temperature rises start to damage the gun's microchip control. However it is recommended that the gun be set to burst fire and only use the long lasting beam to mow down enemy troops like a MG. It has 2 frequency settings one set to the natural frequency of water to kill Biological targets that are made mostly of water, and a more energetic beam to damage computer chips. The second control is the ROF control, semi-automatic fire for precise fire, 5-10ms bursts for heavier work, and a full 2 minute beam to use this weapon as a MG. The beams are invisible to the naked eye, and this gun has a unbarrel rail that is sheilded magnetically to make sure it doesn't damage anything under the rail. The full MWMX-05 system weighs in at around 7kg. A front mounted screen displays data about the gun such as charge, temperature, and a compass feature in case you get lost (must be calibrated). The underbelly rail can take grenade launchers, flashlights, and lasers to use with a topside rail scope. A 2x-5x smart scope is issued with this rifle.

A batch of 10,000 will run around 29 million standard credits (USD equiv for simplicity), these are also issued with a set of replacement batteries though under ideal conditions these will last 12,000 hours of use.

Sounds like they would do well in some of my ships. All of their controles are holographic tuch pads, so if they can point, they can shoot.Kazeci Military surpluss store (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=8767163#post8767163)

What kind of control do they have with their mouths?

BMG, should we be able to develope weaponary that could be used by these Slivers and you attempt to interfere/damage our planes and personnel it shall be viewed as both piracy and a decleration of war. While we hope it wouldn't come to that, the needs of our economy and the desires of our scientist outweight any objection to possible warmongering or pre-emptive self-defence.

Selling weapons to these imperialist worms would be...negativly regarded by King Krark of the Blood Moon.
Recently this nation of Slivers has taken a hostile stance toward the nation of Samtonia, apparently because Samtonia publicaly stated that it considered Slivers a threat. In the interval, this nation has dispatched over one million troops to Samtonia.
Seems like a cheap excuse to grab some land.
BMG will do its best to intercept and destroy/capture these shipments.
We are moderatly sure that Samtonia will be backing this action.

We are very anti-imperialist, we will destroy his troops and burn his land, then we will go home.

Selling weapons to our ENEMY is tantamount to a declaration of war, so the feeling is mutual.
If YOU persist in THIS path, we will have no choice but to intercept these ships and capture them, in view of our previously good relations we will not sink them on sight, but will turn them back.
If they persist in attempting to get through to the Slivers we will board them and remove the weapons for ourselves.
We would rather not do this, but again, you leave us little choice in chosing to deal with a nation that we are AT WAR with.

What kind of control do they have with their mouths?

BMG, should we be able to develope weaponary that could be used by these Slivers and you attempt to interfere/damage our planes and personnel it shall be viewed as both piracy and a decleration of war. While we hope it wouldn't come to that, the needs of our economy and the desires of our scientist outweight any objection to possible warmongering or pre-emptive self-defence.

Mouth dexterity is pretty good, that should work.

Sounds like they would do well in some of my ships. All of their controles are holographic tuch pads, so if they can point, they can shoot.Kazeci Military surpluss store (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=8767163#post8767163)


We don't need ships, we need infantry weapons.

(i assume this is in space?)

We believe we can develope weapons that would fit the requriments of your Slivers.

OOC: Well technically I have this dualiscity (word?) to Leafanistan, one as a fledging empire that still uses archaic weapons like the Sci-Fi stories I write. Though I tend to stick to the "Post-modern" or if the US has its way, "Modern" period of weapons. Energy weapons are difficult but I have come up with some concepts utilizing a "Quantum Induction Coil". The priciple behind it is that neutrinos striking atomic nuclei release enough muons to get this to rotate. Being of a construction of superconductor the flow of electrons will be extremly fast and will produce a large amount of power for a small device and could power it. Now with this in hand I can create powerful and long lasting batteries (requires an atomically dense solution to run in, Liquid Air, etc.) Microwaves are very friendly in this respect since they can heat things up creating powerful and deadly weapons, and if you lower the frequency below that of the natural freq of water you can severly damage microchips. So with that I offer you a microwave rifle.

The MWMX-05 is Leafanistan's offer on the table of FT weapons. Using two quantum induction coils (25 mm) this produces a magnificent amount of power. Enough to power the microwave generators on the front. Using electromagnetic field projectors a beam can be focused and kept going for up to 2 full minutes before temperature rises start to damage the gun's microchip control. However it is recommended that the gun be set to burst fire and only use the long lasting beam to mow down enemy troops like a MG. It has 2 frequency settings one set to the natural frequency of water to kill Biological targets that are made mostly of water, and a more energetic beam to damage computer chips. The second control is the ROF control, semi-automatic fire for precise fire, 5-10ms bursts for heavier work, and a full 2 minute beam to use this weapon as a MG. The beams are invisible to the naked eye, and this gun has a unbarrel rail that is sheilded magnetically to make sure it doesn't damage anything under the rail. The full MWMX-05 system weighs in at around 7kg. A front mounted screen displays data about the gun such as charge, temperature, and a compass feature in case you get lost (must be calibrated). The underbelly rail can take grenade launchers, flashlights, and lasers to use with a topside rail scope. A 2x-5x smart scope is issued with this rifle.

A batch of 10,000 will run around 29 million standard credits (USD equiv for simplicity), these are also issued with a set of replacement batteries though under ideal conditions these will last 12,000 hours of use.

This is a pretty good weapon but we are curious as to how we can manipulate the firing mechanism.

-OOC-
Hmm... Some survivors from Mekanta might end up in MT Earth, or you can find Neo-Mekanta's Earthfall Island.

Both have strong skill in cybernetics, particularly in one part: Neural Interfaces.

A helmet-like or harness mounting for the gun(s), an invasive or non-invasive control system, and boom.

MT, you'll be stuck with Gauss weapons if you go with Mekanta, but their Underpact (Modern Tech) magnetic acceleration technology is quite advanced. Neo-Mekanta will get you some good conventional weapons, optional use of exposive head rounds, but they'll take every advantage to screw you over.

FT... Ask someone else. Too complex in Overpact for both Mekanta and Neo-Mekanta. ^_^

Do you have at least a picture of them, it would be much easier to design for them. I'm thinking a microwave rifle with the switch controls to be operated with the mouth and and move the Fire-control system and scope up to head level. Can they move their arms? Right now my picture of them is like a protazoan made of mercury.

Before selling weapons to this...nation, we urge our fellow members of the international community to look at this:
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=418535
A war of agression for the sake of destruction, no other reason. Is this bloodmoney your going to receive from the Slivers really worth the lives of millions of Samtonians? What about your own sailors?
Do you really think that a nation this blatantly agressive and destructive wont eventualy turn on you?
Sure, for now they say, "Dont worry, we wont hurt you. Your giving us weapons!"
But a few years from now YOUR nation might be next, YOUR people will be falling to their own weapons wielded by the Slivers.
If you want to support somebody, support Samtonia, the victim of this attrocious attack.

We believe we can develope weapons that would fit the requriments of your Slivers.

We will pay you an additional fraction of the purchase price of each unit of the first lot in order to gain limited production rights for the guns and ammunition if it's necessary for the model you produce.

Do you have at least a picture of them, it would be much easier to design for them. I'm thinking a microwave rifle with the switch controls to be operated with the mouth and and move the Fire-control system and scope up to head level. Can they move their arms? Right now my picture of them is like a protazoan made of mercury.


A sliver is a worm like creature that also resembles an insect in some respects, a muscle sliver is nearly six feet tall and more humanoid, a picture of all the slivers is available here: http://cards.mtgnews.com/Search?T=sliver%5D they're all their so it should give you a pretty good idea what they look like.

We would be able to provide specially designed Plasma Rifles and Pulse Rifles.
VK-90 Plasma Rifle
Length: 1750mm
Weight: 25kg
Range: Line of sight
Rate of fire:
Max: 24 rounds/minute
Advised: 12 rounds/minute
Feed: 48 rounds cartridge
Cost: SV(250$)
The VK-90 has been modified to fit the standard Sliver, with a specially designed ammo cartridge, firing mechanism and carrying method.
The rifle is fired by a trigger that is designed to fit into the mouth, the ammo cartridge is designed to be used by the Sliver 'hand' and the carrying method is designed to be fitted to the Sliver form.

SF-43
Length: 1350mm
Weight: 15kg
Range: Line of sight
Rate of fire:
Max: 240 rounds/minute
Advised: 60 rounds/minute
Feed: 600 rounds cartridge
Cost: SV(500$)
The SF-43 has been modified to fit the standard Sliver, with a specially designed ammo cartridge, firing mechanism and carrying method.
The rifle is fired by a trigger that is designed to fit into the mouth, the ammo cartridge is designed to be used by the Sliver 'hand' and the carrying method is designed to be fitted to the Sliver form.
We would be willing to sell you the production rights.

SIC to BMG: As to your caution of the Sliver turning on those selling to them, we have no worries as we have methods to render both the plasma and pulse rifle rounds harmless. While we do feel for the Samtopians we believe they partially brought this upon them selves as they did put out a shoot on sight order on Slivers.

We would be able to provide specially designed Plasma Rifles and Pulse Rifles.
VK-90 Plasma Rifle
Length: 1750mm
Weight: 25kg
Range: Line of sight
Rate of fire:
Max: 24 rounds/minute
Advised: 12 rounds/minute
Feed: 48 rounds cartridge
Cost: SV(250$)
The VK-90 has been modified to fit the standard Sliver, with a specially designed ammo cartridge, firing mechanism and carrying method.
The rifle is fired by a trigger that is designed to fit into the mouth, the ammo cartridge is designed to be used by the Sliver 'hand' and the carrying method is designed to be fitted to the Sliver form.

SF-43
Length: 1350mm
Weight: 15kg
Range: Line of sight
Rate of fire:
Max: 240 rounds/minute
Advised: 60 rounds/minute
Feed: 600 rounds cartridge
Cost: SV(500$)
The SF-43 has been modified to fit the standard Sliver, with a specially designed ammo cartridge, firing mechanism and carrying method.
The rifle is fired by a trigger that is designed to fit into the mouth, the ammo cartridge is designed to be used by the Sliver 'hand' and the carrying method is designed to be fitted to the Sliver form.
We would be willing to sell you the production rights.

SIC to BMG: As to your caution of the Sliver turning on those selling to them, we have no worries as we have methods to render both the plasma and pulse rifle rounds harmless. While we do feel for the Samtopians we believe they partially brought this upon them selves as they did put out a shoot on sight order on Slivers.

We find these terms acceptable and will send you money to equip our seventh legiona, half a million troops and their air-escort of 100 winged and flame slivers(ratio of 10:1)

We shall begin production and shipping. Are you an 'island' or a continent based nation?

Yes, no doubt you do feel deeply for the Samtopians.
You have 24 hours to remove your embassy and all its personel from our soil.
Any Theao citizen found in our nation after that point will be treated as a spy and dealt with accordingly.
That is all.

We shall begin production and shipping. Are you an 'island' or a continent based nation?

We live in the center of the vagabonds region, it's hard to miss, the big mountain with all the bugs around it.

The shipments shall arrive shortly.

We shall remove our embassy and while we are sorry that you feel that this is necessary, we hope that when this conflict is over we can re-establish diplomatic relations. We feel that you are being irrational as there is no difference to us selling to the Slivers than if they were to go to an international storefront and purchased customised weapons from them.

ooc: he's looking for FT weapons and Samtopia is a MT nation

We feel that YOU are being irrational in supporting such an obviously dangerous race of chronic xenophobes who seem intent on commiting a genocide in Samtopia.
There IS a differnce. If they were to go to a storefront and purchase the weapons, at least it wouldnt be going to the Slivers and selling them weapons, it would be them buying weapons from you because they offered you cash.
As it is you are activly supporting them, this is not acceptable.

Should we find that they are/have been commiting genocide or the diliberate massacre of civilians we will provide the Samtopians both military, and finacial aid. As we happen to have the ability to provide an effective defense to both the plasma and pulse rounds it would serve if neccesary an effective counter to the weapons we have sold.

We are very anti-imperialist, we will destroy his troops and burn his land, then we will go home.
Well, at least we don't have to worry about living under the rule of alien overseers. We just have to worry about total destruction and death of all our citizens.

It seems like a fair trade off, but something just doesn't cut it for me. Now, we were willing to leave you alone. The fact of the matter is your species has to eat all matter around it to survive. So, shoukld you go near Samtonia, we would soon find our fauna, flora, people, cities, farmland, military hardware, and allies dissolved in the pit of your species.

We couldn't stand for that, so, in the interests of staying alive, an exterminate on sight order was issued. After all, don't come near us we don't mess with you. But now you've come near us, so we'll have to mess.

Any selling of weapons to an enemy intent on decimating the land and people of Samtonia will be considered an instant decleration of war on both Samtonia and her allies. We would kindly suggest you leave off selling weapons until after this action is over. Thank you.

And one thing of note to both our erstwhile allies and foreign weapons dealers intent on allowing the imminent destruction of the people of Samtonia- no "p" involved in the name. That should be all.

http://img59.echo.cx/img59/9453/carlvanderhovenministerofforei.jpg
Carl Vanderhoven, Minister of Foreign Affairs

OOC:
Sorry, I just wasnt sure what the plural for people from Samtonia was :P
Actually, looking back I have no idea why I put a 'p' in there >_<

We feel that samtonia overreacted by declaring us as terminate on sight, we see this as a declaration of war and have responded accordingly.

Intercepting and/or destroying convoys (AKA Piracy) is a threat to every nation in the galaxy and should be dealt with as soon as possible. Relative Liberty would not pleased should any convoys be intercepted, and the Council may have to reevaluate proposal #1299 wich dictates the isolationalistic stance our nation has enjoyed. Goblins, you have been warned.

As for the war, we think that the shoot on sight policy is not only harsh but a declaration of war, and we morlly support the Slivers, although we won't intervene at this point.

OOC: I guess this is FT.

Intercepting and/or destroying convoys (AKA Piracy) is a threat to every nation in the galaxy and should be dealt with as soon as possible. Relative Liberty would not pleased should any convoys be intercepted, and the Council may have to reevaluate proposal #1299 wich dictates the isolationalistic stance our nation has enjoyed. Goblins, you have been warned.

As for the war, we think that the shoot on sight policy is not only harsh but a declaration of war, and we morlly support the Slivers, although we won't intervene at this point.

OOC: I guess this is FT.

OOC: kindofish debatable, I'm pseudo-FT versus samtonia, who is MT.

Intercepting and/or destroying convoys (AKA Piracy) is a threat to every nation in the galaxy and should be dealt with as soon as possible. Relative Liberty would not pleased should any convoys be intercepted, and the Council may have to reevaluate proposal #1299 wich dictates the isolationalistic stance our nation has enjoyed. Goblins, you have been warned.

As for the war, we think that the shoot on sight policy is not only harsh but a declaration of war, and we morlly support the Slivers, although we won't intervene at this point.

OOC: I guess this is FT.

OOC:
Im MT, any invasion by Uber-Robots of doom or giant death ships will be ignored.

OOC:
Im MT, any invasion by Uber-Robots of doom or giant death ships will be ignored.
I never liked spaceships and robots anyway, so if an invasion should occur I'll use the Army (think Starship Troopers) who will arrive in simple dropships launched from home and travelling in hyperspace, meaning that any combat would be on equal terms.

I believe I can sell a decent weapom system. Since rifles with are not the best to handle with one hand (consider reload) that does not seem an option. My weapon actually uses brainwaves into a helmet regarding the position of the enemy. The system can then figure out itself to shoot in automatic mode, or in manual mode, a simple clicker (in the hand or mouth - can be any shape or style) to fire the rifle on the node.

The node itself is a hovering unit using antigravitational magnets to resituate itself. This works very well - results show that the node should be able to go sonic - but the problem with that is that the person controlling the node should stay in range. For several reasons the node always must stay in eyesight of the gunner, so the deployement varies incredibly between rural areas or cities. The node has a diameter of about 1 meter, and weighs about 60 kilos without turret.

The helmet is always in contact with the node and translates brainwaves to positions and destinations. Anyone without a severe eye disfunction should be able to aim accurately. In the mean time the system communicates back to the gunner by sound, or, if preferred, a direct connection to the brain.

Since this system is very new there are some problems:
- If the brainwave is misinterpreted the node still reacts, for example:
A soldier once looked backwards at his wife and thought to himself "i wish i was there". The node thought it should be there and sliced 40 people and his wife at mach I before the man could react. Rumor goes the system actually released a sonic boom when cutting the poor woman - could explain why we never found the upper half.
- Energy is a great problem: the magnets use an incredible amount of energy for sudden movement. In the conversation i have seen nations that could provide a different power source capable enough, since the one used now lasts for about 2 hours in battle.
- United Status has not been able to find or design a turret (rifle) that would use the full capacity of the node. In design is a railgun that would should .45 kg projectiles but this is still in the test phase.
- Finding people capable of using this weapon without trouble is hard, so not every infantry soldier would be able to use this weapon. In return the gun is more efficient and requires no muscle except for carying the helmet weighing in at about 1.3 kilos. The helmet offers the protection of the standard USA (United Status Army) helmet though.

If your nation could find a better weapon and power supply for the SN-110F it could be a very effective and exceptionally accurate and fast weapon system.

Well talk about the cost later.