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The Imperial Republic of Nueve Italia is looking for those interested in creating a joint Space Development Program to further medical and technological research, as well as to help break down cultural boundaries. The final goal of this program is the construction of a joint space station capable of self-sustatining itself, complete with food, water, and oxygen production. While we know this will take many years to develop, research, and construct, the vast wealth of technology and science gained from this is sure to be worth it. We of Nueve Italia therefore ask if there are any willing to participate in this great experiment.

The United Kingdom of Azazia offers its assistance and expertise to the people of Nueve Italia. For several years the UKA has been exploring the realms of space on its own; however, in the interests of peace and understanding, we wholeheartedly endorse the program of Nueve Italia - for there is no better place to realize the commonalities of all men and women in the absolute vacuum of humanity that is outer space.

Accordingly, we offer the knowledge, finances, and hardware of the UKA to the people of Neuve Italia so that the fine people of Nueve Italia can share in the hope of all that space offers.

Emily Deveraux
Minister of Foreign Affairs

The Imperial Land of Findan wishes to eneter a joint space program with Nueve Italia. A space launching center has been set up and thefirst moon mission will be launching soon.

Dainel R.S.X. Langdon
Minister of Scienece, technology, and Meteorlogy
Imperial Land of Findan

The nation of Nueve Italia recognizes the support of both the United Kingdom of Azazia and the Imperial Land of Findan in its efforts to explore the final frontier. We hope that through this cooperation we can truly build a lasting legacy of mankind. Nueve Italia asks that both Azazia and Findan allow some of their scientists and spacial engineers to come to our nation to begin work on the design of the station and the technology that will be incorporated in its design. Of course, we of the Imperial Republic will fund and provide travel for these brilliant men and women to reach our country.

The first task of this agreement is to somehow produce a method to cultivate a food source in the vacumm of space. If we can somehow solve this problem, the growing vegetation will take care of the atmospheric conditions, reducing the need for any oxygen system to be installed.

We ask that both Azazia and Findan send a confirmation of which of their technical staff and scientists will be travelling to our nation, so that we may get a jump start on this project. Thank you.

Guiseppe Torrine, Minister of Foriegn and Internal Affairs

The Nation of Mondoth Wishes, in the interests of furthering international peace and progress (sounds very cliche doesn't it?) to cooperate with this space program, we have extensive expertise with various propulsion systems that might be used to launch reusable spacecraft relatively inexpensively, and our geneticists(sp?) with cooperation from Free And United States Botanists are working on producing plants capable of producing large quantities of oxygen in extremem environments. We also have plenty of resources to put towards this endeavor including oil and other strategic materials.

OOC: you can't grow plants in vacuum and expect an atmosphere, there has to be an initial atmosphere that the plnts can renew, you can't get something for nothing.

Ximean Ministry of Science and Technology
Official Correspondence

We'd be more than willing to design, build, and launch a few modules for your space station. Perhaps we can also help you out with some of the trickier details. While no plant can grow in vacuum, and while they couldn't produce oxygen even if they did, biochemical botanists from our Bio-Sciences Division believe they can modify certain mosses to replenish oxygen at 200% the normal rate, saving you much-needed space and reducing weight issues.

All we ask in exchange is that we can install some long-term experiments on the station, manned by specially-trained astronaut/technicians from our nation.

OOC: Mondoth, the map link in your sig appears broken.

thanx

I would strongly caution against a sole system providing oxygen in such an unforgiving environment - as space most certainly is. While the comments of others are in essence correct, there needs to be some gas in the vacuum - thereby creating an atmosphere - from which the plants can draw out some element necessary to its completion of its energy molecules. Perhaps new plants could be engineered without the dependence on carbon molecules, perhaps not - time shall see. However, the requisite result is the transformation of whatever gas into breathable oxygen - which must be diluted by a non-combustible gas such as nitrogen or argon or something like Earth's atmosphere.

However, to depend upon one system in space would be utterly chaotic and potentially fatal. Suppose that the plants die in space for some reason unknown and unpredicted, the crew would be left without a renewable supply of oxygen. Instead, I would suggest that we still design a highly redundant filtration and reclamation system lest the organic process fail at some point in time.

To that end I believe the Royal Star Navy has spare components that could be procured through the Azazian government, which would give us access to military-grade, and thus dependable, oxygen filtration and reclamation systems.

With regards to actual plants, I would need to consult with my colleagues here about species specially adapted to zero-gravity growth, as that could conceivably cause some problems with growth. Of course if we can find a plant that grows fruits, especially ones we can safely eat, and use that, we may help alleviate the problem of food - although we must consider the germination, growth, and harvest times for any such plant.

However, in two short weeks, I and several colleagues will be leaving as our summer sessions begin and our presence on campus is not required.

Prof. Hans Glastik
Commonwealth University

Salutations;

I am pleased to offer your coalition limited expertise, technical support, and material assistance, in accordance with the Kanuckistani Hand-Up Space Initiative; although Kanuckistan is a highly developed spacefaring nation, our orginization was founded on the principal that less acomplished nations can, in the long term, best benifit from the encourgment of domestic research and industry, rather than simply providing advanced technologies - a hand up, rather than a hand out, as it were.

As a demonstration of our good faith, we are prepared to provide a sufficent number of electro-chemical catalyst CO2/O2 converters to provide indefinate backup CO2 recycling for your space station.

OOC:
Basicly space-tech nation looking to support developing space industries, even if you plan on staying MT; advice, material, and money being the universal options, but useful widgets - like the ECC converters(actual devices, not the tech to build 'em) or a couple tons of advanced materials like NES or SAPL - or services - like ultraheavy spacelift, interplanetary transport, or rescue operations - can be provided if you're interested.

Our scientists have had good success with strawberries and tomatoes in zero g environments, tomatoes particularly are easily engineered to survive harsh extremes, although further tests must be made to determine their ability to convert mixed gasses into breathable oxygen.

The Imperial Land of Findan shall send the following; Sir Robert McCormick, our cheif biologist, Sandra Evans space archittecte, Jerry Simpson Geologist, Roland Cook paleotoligist, Bob MacDaneils, mining and engineering expert, and Sir Harold Crofton, piolet of our first moon mission.

Danel R.S.X. Langdon
Minister of Science, Technology, and Meterology
Imperial Land of Findan

OOC: Interesting how all of the respondents thus far are much bigger than we are...

Allemande has been moving into space (see the thread "Ad Astra (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=411882)") for almost a quarter century. We have (and wish to maintain) our own space station, Vesta II, which - while not self-supporting - is certainly sufficient for our needs.

We do have a number of useful technologies that could be offered to support this effort, however:The Jupiter II/III SHLV:

This is a "big, dumb booster" capable of hurling a payload of over 145,000kg into low orbit (Jupiter II; Jupiter III can handle over 160,000kg). Cost per kilo to low orbit is very competitive.

A Tropical Launch Facility:

Allemande's launch facility is located on an island in the West Pacific, close to the equator. This could further reduce lift costs.

The Mercury Ion Thruster:

The reference is to the Roman god of travelers, BTW, not the element. This is an ion engine that can be used to move cargoes to higher orbits (although it can take quite a long time doing so). In theory, a Jupiter-Mercury III could thus place 70,000kg into geosynchronous orbit(!), although we've never tested this.

Space Construction Techniques:

We are currently developing the tools and skills needed to assemble prefabricated structures in space (Vesta II, which is based on the Russian Mir design, is designed to be built up in this way).

Prefabricated Space Station & Habitation Modules:

Since it sounds very much like you are planning on building a "habitat" rather than a simple "station", you will need someplace where the construction crews can live while construction is underway. Our Vesta modules could be the perfect thing to use as a "construction trailer".We have quite a bit of other technology, and are developing more all the time as part of our ongoing effort. Check out the "Ad Astra (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=411882)" thread for details.

The Imperial Land of Findan wishes to eneter a joint space program with Nueve Italia. A space launching center has been set up and thefirst moon mission will be launching soon.Since "the Moon (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=display_region/region=the%20Moon)" is already settled (as is "Moon (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=display_region/region=Moon)", we should: Have a clear idea of what the purpose of this mission would be, and
Advise the nations of "the Moon" that we're planning on visiting them and what we're doing, so that we don't get anyone upset.Then again, there's another possibility. TG me...

The Imperial Republic recognizes and welcomes the support of the nations of Mondoth, Ximea, Kanuckistan, and Allemande to our developing project. Your assistance, advice, and provisions are all greatly appreciated on behalf of the Nueve Italian Aerospace Development Industries (NIADI).

In regards to previous discussions:

1.) The production and cultivation of a plant capable of providing food and breathable oxygen in a zero-gee enviroment is a long term goal of this experiment. While I myself am no scientist, I realize this will take many years to succesfully create to benefit the construct. This leads to point 2.

2.) The hardware offered by Azazia through the Royal Star Navy, Mondoth, Ximea, Kanuckistan, and Allemande all will greatly shorten the time needed to complete this project, and provide extremely important equipment. The converters provided by Kanuckistan and the oxygen filtration systems from Azazia are both considered a great asset, ensuring a moderately safe enviroment to work in (I say moderately because after all, Space truely is unpredictable). The technical and construction tools and machinery offered by all, whether it be manpower, launch sites, prefabricated modules, or any other piece of hardware will be put to good use to further cut time down on construction.

The nation of Nueve Italia gladly offers all of its land, funds, technology, and all hardware available to keep up its own end of this coalition. If there is anything else needed, ask, and it will be provided.

In regards to any nations wanting to add their own specific modules to the final construct, the Imperial Republic would want nothing less. All members of this project may feel free to add any parts or sections that would remain under their complete control after construction with the exception of anything that contains military hardware or weaponry of any kind. This project is for the purpose of scientific and technological gains, not for military power. We ask that this be respected.

The Human Intelligence Advancment Research Center located in New Hivez, The Vuhifellian States, has been luanching space probes and shuttles into space since the early 1940's. We have never really luanched a station into orbit in 70 years. OOC: Vuhifell Military Calender Currently at 2070.

IC: So since our current two space station roster is...ahem *cough* a bit outdated, we would be interested in joining this initiative. We can supply all the neccessary equipment needed and our roster of 7 space shuttles can bring equipment, supplies, researchers, and parts of the space station to and from Earth.

Since "the Moon (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=display_region/region=the%20Moon)" is already settled (as is "Moon (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=display_region/region=Moon)", we should: Have a clear idea of what the purpose of this mission would be, and
Advise the nations of "the Moon" that we're planning on visiting them and what we're doing, so that we don't get anyone upset.Then again, there's another possibility. TG me...
I'm a MT nation and in my 'world there has not been a lunar mission yet. We doing something similar to Apolllo 11, with 2000's tech.

National Announcment from the Dominion of Gryphendor
In the intrest of science, peace and exploration the nation of Gryphendor places its resources and manpower at the disposale of the colation and would humbly request that the nation of gryphendor would be accepted as part of the space program.

Beareau of Elightenment and Science.

1.) The production and cultivation of a plant capable of providing food and breathable oxygen in a zero-gee enviroment is a long term goal of this experiment. While I myself am no scientist, I realize this will take many years to succesfully create to benefit the construct. This leads to point 2.


Moderatly volume intensive, yes, but zero-gee hydroponics are fairly straight forward and work with most crop plants. Engineering these plants, however, is desirible, in that it allows one to increase O2 production and dramaticly reduce harvest turnover times, thus maing the most of finite resources and space.



New Hivez

OOC:
Heh; wondered when I'd see a Combat Instinct refference on NS.

Currently in the plant department we're working on splicing various evergreen genes with tomato plants, the evergreen genes should increase the tomatos oxygen production as well as boost surviveability in extremem environments.

For lift capability we have finished final testing on the Ares SCRAMjet double stage to orbit reusable launch system, The Ares can be launched and can land on most international class runways, the payload is 280,000 pounds to orbit and the price is extremely competetive, it runs on Standard Mondothian methane injection jet fuel. uses initial boost phase liquid fuel rocket, these rockets are also used for control while in orbit. The system uses high speed air breething engines to acieve extremem altitude, this system is very fuel efficient for extensive payload capacity.

We have one completed final Ares and construction has begun on three more, facilities exist for the construction of up to five additional Ares vehicles but currently we estimate four Ares in compunction with Allemande's jupiter/mercury launch vehicles should provide adequate launch capability.

Our oil reserves are available for fuel and an agreement with The Resi Corporation allows us highly competitive fuel production prices. We also have resurces that can be used to construct the station itself

Heh; wondered when I'd see a Combat Instinct refference on NS.

OOC: Gotta love Newgrounds. . .

IC: The Imperial Republic of Nueve Italia recognizes and welcomes the aid of the nation of Gryphendor and the Vuhifellian States. This brings the coalition to a total of nine nations seeking peace and progress, something we should all be proud of.

Nueve Italian rocketry still depends mostly upon conventional combustible hydrogen fuel, as this is our nation's first major jump into space technology. Our Neptune-Class Shuttles are slightly below par with American-type space craft, but through this development, we hope to improve upon that.

Nueve Italian rocketry still depends mostly upon conventional combustible hydrogen fuel, as this is our nation's first major jump into space technology. Our Neptune-Class Shuttles are slightly below par with American-type space craft, but through this development, we hope to improve upon that.


Have you investigated the possibility of persuing nuclear pulse propulsion, ala an Orion Drive?

Nuclear technology has been on the rise in our country, from powering ships to cities, but no, the thought of a nuclear engine in a space craft was not conceived by our scientists until now. Work on such an energy source could greatly increase both our shuttles' carrying capacity and range. We thank you for your wisdom in this field

The United Kingdom utilizes several magnetically assisted rail launch sites, most at secure Royal Air Force bases, to launch our equipment into space. Using such a system, we constructed our Excelsior orbital construction station, which constructs objects far heavier than could be built on earth and then launched up in space itself - the mere materials need to be shipped up via cargo ships.

We offer the use of this system to assist Nueve Italia and our partners in the initial phases of the project.

Nuclear technology has been on the rise in our country, from powering ships to cities, but no, the thought of a nuclear engine in a space craft was not conceived by our scientists until now. Work on such an energy source could greatly increase both our shuttles' carrying capacity and range. We thank you for your wisdom in this field


Useful link:
http://www.spacedaily.com/news/nuclearspace-03h.html

From The Desk of Cotton Boam, Minister of Foreign Relations and Affairs for the Dominion of Forbath--

Asteemed Gentlepeople,

It has come to our attention (via various monitoring means at our disposal) that your fine nations are proposing a joint space program. The Dominion of Forbath would also care to participate, and has much to offer, as you will find.

We have very little practical experience with what I would deem this world’s average technology level to be; our nation’s technology has developed divergently, but parallel, to most nation-states. This means that, while the solution is different to any given problem, the hypothetical problem that is being solved is the same one faced by any given civilization. In a nutshell, we have developed different means to the same ends, and are willing to offer these means in a collaborative effort amongst nations.

The Dominion of Forbath is descended from a loose collection of nomadic peoples who have only recently settled down and become sedentary, creating our current society. Before the Dominion was established, however, we were planar nomads, traveling from one dimension to another. What this means to you is that we have means of traveling long distances in short periods of time. These means are generally expensive in regards to resources, but are most efficient when all is said and done. Without giving away the particulars, the Dominion of Forbath would like to offer an alternative to strapping men to dynamite or nuclear bombs and pointing them in the direction of an orbital trajectory: Something we call the “Phase Portcullis”.

If the Phase Portcullis does not interest you after given the particulars, we would also like to offer any other resources that we can, in exchange for diplomatic and technological trades between our nations. An example of what we would be able to offer is the ‘Scrubber’. Admittedly, most of our technology has been gathered by trading resources with other societies we have met in our pan-dimensional migrations. Essentially, we have borrowed more technology than we have developed independently. The ‘Scrubber’ is exemplary of our borrowed technology, but has served us quite well. Basically, it is an algae colony made of single-celled organisms that regurgitate oxygen and feed off of carbon dioxide, heat given off by larger organisms, light, and any other human byproduct it can partake of. The ‘Scrubber’ is not fully understood by even the finest of our alchemists and technologists, but it has been used historically in many a dimension with hostile (or no) atmosphere. We’ve used it in our shiftsuit rebreathers for several centuries.

The Reverend Forbath, our Sovereign leader, would also like to offer our nation’s hospitality: He invites the other nations to use the Dominion’s many pristine natural locations as a common ground, meeting here in a proposed political Summit. We have several sites in mind, from which you can choose.

The Dominion of Forbath looks forward to participating in this historical occasion, and to years of friendship with potential allies. Thank you for your time,

-Cotton Boam, Dominion of Forbath Minister of Foreign Affairs and Relations

From: Guiseppe Torrine, Minister of Internal and Foreign Affairs
To: Cotton Boam, Dominion of Forbath Minister of Foreign Affairs and Relations

The assistance of the Dominion of Forbath is greatly appreciated to our cause. We are intriguied into learning more about what you refer to as the "Phase Portcullis."

Also, if our coalition could aquire some of these "Scrubbers," we ourselves could analyze them and possibly learn how to synthesize these plants for ourselves, futhering our goals faster than we could have possibly dreamed. We thank you for this generous offer.

As for allowing your lands to be used as a meeting grounds to finalize our grand alliance, if this is what you truly desire, than it will be an honor you shall keep, if no other nations object to this.

~~~~~

To the United Kingdom of Azazia:

These rail launch sites you speak of would help cut down on launch costs dramatically, saving us time, fuel, and money. Your offer will benefit all of us greatly.

~~~~~

To the nation of Kanuckistan:

Your proposition of developing an Orion-Drive engine powered by nuclear energy is under research and development as we speak. We once again thank you for your suggestion and information.

***Official Proclimation***
The Holy Empire of Shazbotdom
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Made by: Multiple Persons (Signitures Below)

The Holy Empire would be willing to send you reusable energy sources for a small fee


Signed on this Holy Day, April 28th:
Mrs. Charrel Cralom
Minister of Public Relations

Mr. Eric Federichi
Minister of Space Exploration

To The Holy Empire of Shatzbotdom:

The Imperial Republic of Nueve Italia would like to inquire how much these energy sources are, and just what they are, as in what kind of energy they run of off, where they can be installed, and any other useful specifications on these power sources. Thank you.

***Official Proclimation***
The Holy Empire of Shazbotdom
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Made by: Multiple Persons (Signitures Below)

The unit is called Fission Plus. It is a variant of Cold Fusion that, when the process is started, the byproducts that are created are cycled back into the reaction chamber and re-used in the process. Thus there is no 'waste' to speak of using this process.

Fission Plus
Width -- 0.25 meters
Height -- 1.2 meters
Depth -- 0.25 meters
Energy Output -- 20,000 kilo-watts
Available Control Panel Languages -- English & Shazbotdonian
Unit Price: $5.6 Million USD


Signed on this Holy Day, April 28th:
Mr. Eric Federichi
Minister of Space Exploration

The unit is called Fission Plus. It is a variant of Cold Fusion that, when the process is started, the byproducts that are created are cycled back into the reaction chamber and re-used in the process. Thus there is no 'waste' to speak of using this process.


Fusion naturally results in increasingly heavier elemental by-products, and these in turn yeild progressivly lower outputs. Once one reaches iron, further fusion would result in a net energy loss, even in a 100% efficent system.

Hence, you're either exagerating, lying, or don't know what you're talking about.

OOC:
Dude. It's called RPing. It's new technology that i pioneered. And if your going to nitpick at everything i say on these forums, that is called blatant harassment. I'll RP the way i want. IGNORE cannon fired.

OOC:
Dude. It's called RPing. It's new technology that i pioneered. And if your going to nitpick at everything i say on these forums, that is called blatant harassment. I'll RP the way i want. IGNORE cannon fired.

OOC:
Dude, it's called basic physics, and when have I ever interacted with you befor, much less 'nitpicked everything you said'? - it's not harassment if I'm not making a habbit of going out of my way to specificly bug you, and certaintly not harassment the first time a have the gal to, *gasp*, disagree with you.

And no, this isn't nit-picking either; it's defending myself. With a touch of sarcasm, because you're being overly sensitive and immature(ok, so that was a nitpick).

As for the physics blurb;

A) I had no way of knowing if you actually knew your tech violated the laws of physics, and hence was primarily trying to be helpful and informative, for which you attacked and instantly declared ignore. Over reaction, maybe? Yeah.

B) Was informing the other parties involved, who may not know as much about physics and may have a stricter regaurd for such than yourself.

C) You may have been trying to be deceptive ICly, so I was confronting you ICly, in acknowledgment of that possibility.

D) I may have missinterpreted what you were getting at; it happens, hence the explination in addition to the confrontation.

Fusion naturally results in increasingly heavier elemental by-products, and these in turn yeild progressivly lower outputs. Once one reaches iron, further fusion would result in a net energy loss, even in a 100% efficent system.

Hence, you're either exagerating, lying, or don't know what you're talking about.

OOC: How about this compromise: As the name of it is fission plus, the power system begins with a heavy element such as uranium. Through a typical fission reaction, it breaks the heavy element down, eventually reaching hydrogen (or hydronium). From there, a fusion reaction takes place to rebuilt the original products. It's feasible, assuming we ignore the loss of energy between the steps. Everybody happy?

IC: Bellania, a tiny nation, does not have the material resources to truly assist in this mighty project. However, our technological knowhow is at your command. We would be happy to consult as we are able.

OOC: How about this compromise: As the name of it is fission plus, the power system begins with a heavy element such as uranium. Through a typical fission reaction, it breaks the heavy element down, eventually reaching hydrogen (or hydronium). From there, a fusion reaction takes place to rebuilt the original products. It's feasible, assuming we ignore the loss of energy between the steps. Everybody happy?


OOC:
It'd be pointless; worse, if anything. It ignores both conservation of energy, and the fact that the reverse is true about fission - you'd loose more energy splitting atoms lighter past iron than it would be physicly possible to recoup by fusing them again.

'course, I doubt he'd be willing to rebuild his tech on a whim like this just to please someone else - I wouldn't expect him to, nor would I myself - and he's already decided to disregaurd the laws of physics.

I don't have a problem with his tech, however, if he wants to play that way; I do have a problem with his making baseless acusations against me and declaring Ignore on a whim, just because I choose to point out that he's defying said laws of physics when he offers his tech to a modern-tech nation.

From: Cotton Boam, Minister of Foreign Affairs & Relations
To: Guiseppe Torrine, Minister of Internal and Foreign Affairs

Minister Torrine-

On behalf of the Sovereign Reverend Vaseline T. Forbath, we welcome all nations involved in this joint effort to our humble Dominion, in hopes that they will participate in the proposed Summit. The Dominion of Forbath will most certainly provide security details for any guest representatives, and, after screening, those representatives' own security details shall be welcomed. Attached to this electronic scroll you will find information on the various localles at which we suggest the Summit be held. My personal favourite is the fishing-town of Ol' Timiring, where our Grand Library Seminary is located. It has a vast forebay (The Forebay of Timiring) for those who are nautically inclined, as well as more than enough colloquial charm.

Regarding the Scrubbers: Our histories indicate that they have been used in only a few zero-gravity situations, and that it takes a particular strand of Scrubber to perform in such conditions. Further, this strand is difficult to transport (It must always be kept in a very low gravity situation to propegate correctly). We have special chambers for the Scrubbers, but, if Nueve Italia or any of the other coalition members are adversed, culturally, to what many societies would label "sorcery" (Here, specifically, we have heard it called "techno-wizardry"), we cannot transport them to you in good conscience. (If one needs a justification of the techniques behind these "magicks", we can safely give hard evidence of how they work, as with any other science; nevertheless, there is still a reason that it is reffered to, often derogatorilly, as "magick".) However, if no aversion exists, we will gladly contribute the Scrubbers to the cause. We would be able to contribute a single colony (For this strand is rare, and has not been actively used by us in over two centuries), an incubatory cell with which another colony may be grown, an incubation chamber, and a transport chamber. We have three breeders of the plant willing to help the other nations in the coalition grow their own plants, as long as these breeders are compensated (they are private business citizens, not attached specifically to our government), as well as a small group of government-sponsored alchemists and technologists who will lend a hand.

Regarding the Phase Portcullis: The Phase Portcullis is an exceptionally guarded technology of ours. We would require an emissary to physically travel to the Dominion if we were to disclose specifics on it, and only after that emissary is thoroughly screened. Seeing as we are partners in this effort, we would not expect much in return for this information, but we would insist on constructing it ourselves. We would divulge information on it merely so that the other nations in the coalition know that the technology may be trusted, not so that they could construct it themselves. For this, I offer my apologies and the apologies of the Reverend Forbath. Perhaps Azazia's magnetic railing system would be a preferred alternative.

Thank You,

-Cotton Boam, Dominion of Forbath Minister of Foreign Affairs and Relations

Regarding the Phase Portcullis: The Phase Portcullis is an exceptionally guarded technology of ours. We would require an emissary to physically travel to the Dominion if we were to disclose specifics on it, and only after that emissary is thoroughly screened. Seeing as we are partners in this effort, we would not expect much in return for this information, but we would insist on constructing it ourselves. We would divulge information on it merely so that the other nations in the coalition know that the technology may be trusted, not so that they could construct it themselves. For this, I offer my apologies and the apologies of the Reverend Forbath. Perhaps Azazia's magnetic railing system would be a preferred alternative.

Thank You,

-Cotton Boam, Dominion of Forbath Minister of Foreign Affairs and Relations

Prehaps you might be willing to openly disclose it's basic nature? Or atleast be more descriptive as to what it does.

We can understand your desire to protect your intilectual assets, but surly a breif description can do no harm.

[OOC] I'm sorry, was that IC or OOC? I can tell you what it does, IC, but I don't know who my character is addressing.

I hear you people talking about how to maintain energy once you get there. Getting there is harder than it may sound, though.

The McKagan Federation is willing to use it's Stryker space "ship" to get the personnel (or small amounts of cargo) to the station once the basics are set up. The Stryker can remain in space for 6 weeks, and can carry 5 people at a time (not counting the crew.) We have 4 (almost 5) of these vehicles.

The only downside is that we'll have to ask a price for the launches, but it is debatable. Whoever wants to foot the largest amounts of the bill will be held in high regards at the MSA.

From the desk of Seth "Doghouse" Lam, Representative for the Forbath Seminary of Technology and Information-

To our trusted compatriots within the Coalition Space Program: While we cannot divulge the particulars of the so-called 'Phase Portcullis' technology, we are allowed to give you a general overview.

(Here the text of the document is interrupted by an imbedded video file): Cut to a medium shot of an older technician-type, sporting mustache and coveralls, pointing to a chalk board with two circles drawn on it that look suspiciously like breasts. He has this to say: "The 'Phase Portcullis' is a big ol' hole in one location, and a big ol' hole in another location, that, when you step through it in your location," here he taps the closest chalkboard circle with what looks to be a pool cue, and resumes, "it chops you up in bits 'round 'bouts the size of fajita steak chunks, and spits you out, whole, or relatively whole, in the other location where the other hole is. So's you git to go in an' out of a big ol' hole. Git it?" The little video file cuts to black.

(Here the text of the document resumes): The Dominion of Forbath cannot be more specific regarding this technology, without an emissary meeting the bureaucratic requirements aforementioned by Minister Cotton Boam. Thank you for your inquiry.

Sincerely,

Seth "Doghouse" Lam, Representative for the Forbath Seminary of Technology and Information

P.S.- That wasn't me in the video, gentlemen.

:gundge: i would like to participate peacefully in your space program and since i have 8 shuttles and 2 space (unmanned) stations currently in orbit.
however i do have space weapons platforms in orbit also:
super weapons:
12 satellite based ICBM's 30 nuclear 60 conventional missiles ea.
8 satellite based anti satellite platforms 20 missiles ea.
12 spy satellites
2 space stations anti ICBM/aerial domestic defence 220 hyper sonic rockets 12 lasers
8 shuttles for space missile reloading
1800 ICBM nuclear missiles
2800 nuclear cruise missiles
80000 ICBM conventional warhead missiles
2200 nuclear bombs

but please be aware they are offensive satellites with the space stations being defensive for my nation but none of my offensive satellites will be used to attack any joint effort i am involved in since i do value human life especially my proud german scientists/engineers/technicians who are invaluable to me.

let me know what you need and i can provide very advanced technology, reuseable space vehicles, rockets, money and fuel.

[OOC] I'm sorry, was that IC or OOC? I can tell you what it does, IC, but I don't know who my character is addressing.

OOC:
I started the thread ICly, so you can assume it's IC unless tagged otherwise, like above.

As for who, just a random diplomat from the Kanuckistani Office of the Exterrior who's been tasked with this assignment; I've been pretty casual thusfar in RPing because I haven't been feeling too well as of late, and these things have died off for me several times in the past.

And do you read schlockmercenary.com by chance?

IC:

Interesting; sounds like a teraport or 'wormgate', as opposed to a full-fledged wormhole system.

Ethicly, we'd have to oppose it's use on living persons, on the grounds that it effectivly kills the traveler, and then makes a copy out of their bodily material. Assuming your analigy is correct, then, while all might be fine and dandy from the perspective of an outsider, or from the perspective of the person who arrives beliving they are the traveler, the traveler him- or herself i quite dead.

Now, this might not matter from certain materialistic perspectives, but in reality is the same as having a clone with your face and memories walking around after your death. It's not really you, in the absolute sense.

We have technologies which net a similar effect - most prominatly the Contextual RabbitHole - but do so without fragmenting the traveler. Unfortunatly, these technologies are also closly gaurded, although their use may be arranged at some point in the future.

Signed:
Jason Ransom
Ambassador Jason Ransom,
Office of the Exterrior,
Kanuckistan.

Has Nueve Italy considered our request to be a part of this program :confused:

The holy empire of lecielsurlaterre has offered its time and expence to further your reaserching goals. i Did alittle research in your nation and was wondering if you could posibly help my nation grow. If you could posibly help me out and give a good list of air fighters it would be very usefull. oh and i wish to offer you a treaty. Oh and i do have a question why is it that when i apply to the un they say they aprove and sent me the email but it still hasnt came. its been almost three days and i have my spam blocker off so im just getting mad spam and no email.

[OOC] Responding to Kanuckistan:

I started the thread ICly, so you can assume it's IC unless tagged otherwise, like above.

As for who, just a random diplomat from the Kanuckistani Office of the Exterrior who's been tasked with this assignment; I've been pretty casual thusfar in RPing because I haven't been feeling too well as of late, and these things have died off for me several times in the past.

I apologize if I came of smarmy. I wasn't being so, I was just asking genuinely. I'm not completely familiar with the unspoken rules here yet....

And do you read schlockmercenary.com by chance?

Nope. Should I? Why do you ask, do my ideas remind you of something you've read there? I'm a big comic reader. I like (and am probably influenced by) Warren Ellis and Grant Morrison, but I like using a lot of parody in role-play as well. So, should I check out schlockmercenary.com?

I'll post something IC later today. Got finals.

[OOC]
Nope. Should I? Why do you ask, do my ideas remind you of something you've read there? I'm a big comic reader. I like (and am probably influenced by) Warren Ellis and Grant Morrison, but I like using a lot of parody in role-play as well. So, should I check out schlockmercenary.com?


OOC:
Should you? Yes. Everyone should. There should be a law to that effect, in fact, but my local MP keeps hanging up on me when ever I call his office and sugest it.

As you why I asked, your Phase Portcullis sounds vaugly similar to certain FTL used in that universe(although they don't address the issue I mentioned ICly; it is, however, commonly overlooked in sci-fi).

Nueve Italian rocketry still depends mostly upon conventional combustible hydrogen fuel, as this is our nation's first major jump into space technology. Our Neptune-Class Shuttles are slightly below par with American-type space craft, but through this development, we hope to improve upon that.Allemande's Pegasus-class shuttle is comparable to the Russian Buran design: we use a liquid-fueled core that is essentially a Saturn I/Energia equivalent (Hercules II) to loft an attached shuttle that is closely patterned after the American equivalent. This reduces the mass of the shuttle by eliminating the three high-thrust SSME's (NASA-ese for "Space Shuttle Main Engines") from the design (like Buran, we employ two smaller UDMH/N2O4-powered manuever engines in orbit; the use of storable hypergolic fuels is much better in a vehicle designed for extended operation in space anyway).

This approach permits our shuttle (like Buran) to carry 20% more payload to low orbit. It is also much safer, insofar as it eliminates the need for cantankerous high-energy solids.

Have you investigated the possibility of persuing nuclear pulse propulsion, ala an Orion Drive?OOC: Yes, but this is not public knowledge due to the controversial nature of such a design. Allemande is just a couple years away from flying its first such rocket (which means that if I get off my b_tt and write the next chapter in the continuing history of our space program, we'll be there by next week).

Again, this is not public knowledge. If you read my space thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=411882), you'll be able to figure out the code name for our Orion project. Both of them... ;)

While we cannot divulge the particulars of the so-called 'Phase Portcullis' technology, we are allowed to give you a general overview.My understanding is that this thread is MT or (at best) near-FT/post-MT. Gate travel is definitely far-FT.

My rule is that I can only use contemporary technology. In truth, I've bent that rule in a couple of places - but not broken it. I may bend it even more as we go forward, but I can't bend it that much.

OOC:
Should you? Yes. Everyone should. There should be a law to that effect, in fact, but my local MP keeps hanging up on me when ever I call his office and sugest it.

As you why I asked, your Phase Portcullis sounds vaugly similar to certain FTL used in that universe(although they don't address the issue I mentioned ICly; it is, however, commonly overlooked in sci-fi).

SuWHEET! A nother Schlocker!!!!

In less happy news I will not be able to participate fully in this RP for s little while, A recent incident with someone who no longer has access to this acount will be forcing me into image cleaning work for a few days, MY space lift capabilities and resources are at your command for the time being though.

To clear up a few things. . .

The Vuhifellian States has already been accepted much earlier as part of this coalition. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

This RP I originally planned to be MT. FT nations can assist this project within reasonable boundaries, so Forbath? I think this Phase Portcullis would be just a bit over the line. Conventional vehicles should serve our purpose.

Fuhrer ein amaro, this is a project to promote peace. I have no need to know of any weapons you may already have, but they will come no where near this spacial habitat. You're help to this coalition will be a great asset, of course, but no weaponry at all.

Lecielsurlaterre, you too are welcomed into this growing gathering for peace and prosperity. While I'd rather this not turn into a situation of "you give me this, I help you," I will allow for economic aid to your nation, allowing you to produce whatever you need. Welcome to the coalition.

ooc: sorry i havnt been here in a while, tests and all so i had to study.

a National Response From Gryphondor.

The proposition of these scrubbers to be used in our space craft is particularly intresting as it would cut down on the amount of oxygen to be transported with each rocket trip. The Dominion of Gryphendor would like to purchase these creatures if it is possible and we also wonder is there anyway that these scrubbers could be used for millitary purposes e.g if the scrubbers where altered not to produce oxygen but other more noxius fumes or even poision and toxins.
we wish to know this information as acts of terrorism are on the rise in our country due to degrading relations with other nations in our region. We also have no problems with talks in the nation of Forbath and our leader would relish the chance to see the fishing-town of Ol' Timiring. A team of highly trained Astronauts are standing by ready to be deployed whenever this colation sees fit to deploy them.