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Bandit-class Light Attack Boat

This is a small light attack boat, primarily for use as a small submarine hunter, guerilla warfare boat, piracy, coast guard, and just general harassment of much larger fleets.

2-Mk.46 Torpedoes are designed to combat fast, deep-diving nuclear submarines and high performance surface ships. These are mounted on the side in tubes. A hull-mounted medium frequency active sonar is used to target enemy submarines.

1-KPV-14.5mm MG mounted on the front. This is one of the heaviest and most powerful machine guns on the planet. This 14.5 mm bullet packs twice the energy of a .50 cal Browning MG. This is not an anti-infantry weapon, this is an anti-armor weapon. Can be substituted for the Browning .50 cal M2HB
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1-M18 57 mm Recoilless Rifle. Recoilless rifles are capable of firing artillery-type shells at velocities and with an accuracy comparable to those of standard guns, but almost entirely without recoil. Issued with the standard Tandem-HEAA round it can penetrate mutliple layers of armoured plating.

1-Pecheneg MG mounted on the rear. The Pecheneg MG uses a 7.62*54 mm round and is an improved version of the standard Russian universal MG, the Kalashnikov PKM. It uses forced air cooling which increases how long you can use it in prolonged bursts and there is no heat mirage over the barrel to damage visibility and accuracy.
Comes with 15 HK MP-7 PDWs 4.6x30mm rounds (Personal Defense Weapons: a new class of weapons between submachine guns and assualt rifles, for use for second line troops whose duties don't necessarily include combat, such as truck drivers, medics, etc.)
The Bandit has a minimum crew of 7, but can take up to 12 people who can use the extra HK MP-7s to do boarding actions.

One boat is 17 million USD

Note: Shooting people with a .50 cal gun is supposedly banned by Geneva, but who the hell cares.

Bump.

I'd like to order 10 of these with the M2HB attachment for use in river patrols.

Total cost: $17 million US

OOC: I believe you forgot the size of the ship, the displacement and so forth.

10 of these for Madnestan, ASAP. Our merchant fleet is dearly suffering in the hands of a Pirates of the Bloody Sea, rogue/terrorist organization that is overwhelming our handweapons-armed fishing boats. Please hurry on delivering.

I would like to order 100 packages of 10 to bolster the size of the hell on Earth navy. The amount of $1.7 billion will be wired to your account upon delivery.
Gen. Adam Selene
Comander of the Hell on Earth Armed Forces

I'd like to order 10 of these with the M2HB attachment for use in river patrols.

Total cost: $17 million US


I would like to order 100 packages of 10 to bolster the size of the hell on Earth navy. The amount of $1.7 billion will be wired to your account upon delivery.
Gen. Adam Selene
Comander of the Hell on Earth Armed Forces

Your orders have been filled and in about 4 NS months shall be shipped. Thank you for buying from us.

10 of these for Madnestan, ASAP. Our merchant fleet is dearly suffering in the hands of a Pirates of the Bloody Sea, rogue/terrorist organization that is overwhelming our handweapons-armed fishing boats. Please hurry on delivering.

10 packages or 10 boats which is one package? I would like to quickly fill this order.

OOC: I believe you forgot the size of the ship, the displacement and so forth.

OOC:I don't know this stuff yet, would you like to offer suggestions on it?

OOC:Sorry about taking so long the forums have been down for me for a while.

OOC: Though I like the idea for this little vessel (I myself have commercial speedboats with RPG-armed crews), it really isn't suited for the assigned role for several reasons:


1) Too cheap. That amazingly low price and tiny crew (as well as the armament) indicates that this is a small vessel (PBR-sized), which can't afford the necessary detection and fire control systems.

2) Poor firing method. The Mk.48 is not designed to be dropped into the water, and cannot be done so effectively. The weapon is designed to be fired underwater, and with wire guidance for longer-range strikes. If you want to drop the torpedo from a boat, you need to change several systems and components, to the extent that you'll pretty much have a new torpedo.

3) Too small. Again, this would have to be PBR-sized, and would have neither the space nor payload to accommodate two 6-meter, 1500+ kg torpedoes.

4) Limited range and seafaring ability. This vessel is very small and would not be suited for even marginally rough seas, and its endurance would be measured in hours, preventing it from operating effectively. It simply can't afford to stay around long enough to even provide much more than a very light coastal patrol, and certainly can't afford to perform ASW operations.


In the end, you either need a bigger boat, or to provide something a little more believable, like the 12.75" Mk.46/50/54 torpedoes, which this could conceivably carry, though it would still lack any method of detecting the submarines itself, so the only way it would prove useful is if it was forwarded information from a SOSUS or similar network.
For a real ASW vessel, even the smallest and cheapest true ASW vessels are over 400 tons and cost tens of millions.


Also, for this, you should at least post the vessel's dimensions and speed. As it stands, no one really has much idea as to what you designed.

Also, for this, you should at least post the vessel's dimensions and speed. As it stands, no one really has much idea as to what you designed.

Thank you for your critisisms the boat is being redesigned as a much larger vessel for a much larger price. I guess it won't be a Light Attack Boat anymore would it? Perhaps I should just scrap this one. Build a new AS-Patrol Boat, about like 50-60 m long.

10 of these for Madnestan, ASAP. Our merchant fleet is dearly suffering in the hands of a Pirates of the Bloody Sea, rogue/terrorist organization that is overwhelming our handweapons-armed fishing boats. Please hurry on delivering.

Oh sorry, I meant packages. Due the higher cost though, we have to reduce the number of purchased units to only 45 vessels. Money will be wired immeadiately after the acceptation of this proposal.

Admiral Tamujid

Well, whenever you are ready I'll take the order. Just wire the money and the ships will be on their way.

Ships have arrived. 4 of them were sunk in the first day by the pirates, but vessels have still proven to be adequate for their skirmisher duties. Further orders for expanding our fleeet are under consideration.

Greeetings for good trade,

Madnestanian Government

I think appart from the torps your design is very similar to the PBR/PBR II vessels used by the US in veitnam and later a ncie little fast attack vessel but really not up to much in terms of heavy weaposn capability
http://www.hnsa.org/ships/pbrmkii-c.htm

To start seriously cosnidering even light torpedeos you would need to move upto the size of what the americans call a PTF:
http://www.hnsa.org/ships/ptf26.htm
At this size a more viable alternative to torps might be heavy ATGMs or possibly a few light weight anti shipping missiles such as pengiun or Sea Skua:
http://www.mbda.net/site/FO/scripts/siteFO_contenu.php?lang=EN&noeu_id=113


Still its anice design it just needs tightening up.